Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    
    -- what are your general opinions of these two based on their actions?
    
    	Ummm, "worthless slime" comes to mind, that's for sure.
    
    -- was this all in good fun?  No harm done?
    
    	No, I don't think it's "all in fun" ... well, maybe they do, but
    	I definitely don't.  This is assault, not to mention violating
    	FCC regulations, and they could potentially be put away for this.
    
    -- can we blame it on the drugs - it wasn't really *them* talking?
    
    	You're asking this question of the wrong person.  I am of the
    	opinion that crimes committed while under the influence should
    	be punished more severely.  They know what drugs are capable of
    	doing, and therefore should know not to mess around with them.
    
    -- are these two guys socially responsible for their actions?
    
    	Yes.  It definitely wasn't my fault, nor was it yours, so it
    	would be their fault.
    

    -- what are your general opinions of these two based on their actions?
  
Scum 
    
    -- was this all in good fun?  No harm done?

Nope.  I guess because harassing people on the phone seems so gutless and
creates a lot of fear in the people being harassed.  Just threatening to
harm people is bad enough but scaring a child is almost beyond belief.
    
    -- can we blame it on the drugs - it wasn't really *them* talking?

Hardly.  I know people who've taken plenty of drugs/alcohol and shown way
more restraint than that.
    
    -- are these two guys socially responsible for their actions?
    
Yes

Is this a true story Buck?  I'm not sure I want to know 

    Even if it is harmless fun it can be pretty scary for the person on the
    other end of the line.  Especially if it is threatening someones life,
    which is no joke in any size shape or form.
    
    Lynne S.

    }}Ok noters, I think we've all had enough of the bABBAle note, so it's
    
    That's for sure!  8)
    
    }}Two guys, 20-something, not unlike Beavis n Butthead, are hanging out
    
    I would like to hope that Beavis & Butthead's characters are based on
    MUCH younger guys...say like, 15.  At least that was more or less my
    mentality at 15.  But I guess they're parents would be responsible for
    them in that case, and then we wouldn't have a "scenario"...  8)
    
    }}-- what are your general opinions of these two based on their actions?
    
    Having a little girl of my own, this is a very disturbing thought for
    me.  My general opinion would be that they are low-lifes.  For you to
    do something like that to a pure & innocent 5 year old little girls 
    means that you have no conscience.  
    
    }}-- was this all in good fun?  No harm done?
    
    Maybe as far as they're concerned, but to that little girl, the mental
    and emotional scars will be with her for *life*.  
     
    }}-- can we blame it on the drugs - it wasn't really *them* talking?
    
    No.  You cannot *blame* it on the drugs.  You can however, acknowledge
    the fact that these guys probably wouldn't have went so far without
    them though.  That does not absolve then of responsibility though.  
    
    }}-- are these two guys socially responsible for their actions?
    
    You bet!  Unfortunately, this kind of thing probably goes on all the
    time and guys just like this go unpunished because there's no way to
    enforce it.  What if they only called this little girl once...no
    tracing, no investigation of any kind could have taken place.  
    
    I have Caller ID, so I know every single person that calls me,
    regardless of whether or not they left a message.  And it's even
    nation-wide now.  Pretty nifty invention!  
    
    'pril

    I have a friend who used to get prank phone calls frequently by one
    caller (she knew the voice and would quickly hang up) and she was 
    petrified, and wanted to have the line tapped if it continued.
                                  
    Caller ID is great, I have it and you can just dial the number stated
    on the box to see who called.
    
    Lynne S.
    
	
    

    
    RE: -1
    
    But there is a downside.  Sometimes you don't want callers to be able
    to be identified...like with battered women's shelters.  So..the
    invented this lovely blocking method.  Unfortunately, a recent survey
    found that over 50% of establishments that thought they were being
    blocked, weren't!
    
    /j

    The whole scenario is sickening. How in the name can two supposily
    grown men call a five year old girl and tell her in graphic detail how
    they are going to rape her??!?!?! It's sick....beyond sick...utterly
    digusting!!!
    Calling places and being a knob is fine when it's harmless, like in the
    Jerky Boys. I've done my share of asking folks if their fridge is
    running....but that's very differant then telling someone you're going
    to kill them.
    That caller ID thing is terrific!! A friend of mine was getting
    harrassing calls from a jerk. When she got the caller ID, she called
    the guy right back and told him that the cops were notified and that
    she's pressing charges.....not before she got him with the old reliable
    'is any of the Walls there' routine.
    
    Dave
     

    	Yo' Buck,
    
    	D'is ain't a true story, please say it isn't...
    
    	I don't care how much beer you drink. The stimulants have
    	nothing to do with personal behavior.
    
    	No matter what condition I was in I would never do anything
    	even close to the base note.
    
    	The dudes are flaming a**holes, period.

We had someone calling our house and letting the phone ring once and hanging up.
Got to the point the phone had to ring 2 or more times before we'd even reach
for it.

Finally the phone company had us keep a log of when it happened.  Turns out that
if you answer quick you sometimes get a connection and using our log they
figured out who it was.  The problem stopped immediately.

I have no tolerance for phone stuff like that.  I think it is amazing that 2
"grown" men (whatever) could be so vicious.

**    -- what are your general opinions of these two based on their actions?

	I really don't think age has anything to do with it.  Whether they
        are 15 or 25 or 40, etc.   They sound immature, sick, and sadistic.
        It is bad enough doing cruel things in general, but people like this
        are gutless.  They do their little pranks on kids and small animals
        and old folks and over the phone....is this the only way they can
        feel powerful?   

**    -- was this all in good fun?  No harm done?

	Help me out here?  Where's the FUN?  Disturbing people?  Causing
        emotional scars on an innocent child?   Great laughs there....		
	They basically sound as if they have no life and don't respect the
        value of others that might!  

**    -- can we blame it on the drugs - it wasn't really *them* talking?

	First of all...nobody FORCED them to do the drugs so if they did
        the action after voluntarily doing the drugs, it was still all 
	their choice / free will.   Besides the fact, though I believe drugs
        may make the person less inhibited, I believe the inclination had
        to be there all along.  

**    -- are these two guys socially responsible for their actions?
    
	Sure they are...and 'responsibility' goes a lot further than the law.
	Just because something isn't illegal, doesn't mean it isn't ethically
        or morally wrong.  Too bad things like this go on all the time....
        

/jen

    re: 9
    
    Prince Albert in the can???
    
    ...well let him out! :-)
    
    I agree, anyone who could do something so cruel and nasty to an
    innocent person no matter what age is sick,sick,sick!
    
    Lynne S.

    Yep - worst I'd heard lately was from The Simpsons - "I'm looking for
    Amanda Huggenkiss".
    
    Pretty sick alright.
    
    I guessd there was a similar case here in Colo. Spgs were a young girl 
    made a "friend" on one of those STOOPID Internet "Chat" lines
    (waste-o-band-width), turned out the friend was a guy who liked little
    girls.  He's in the clink now.  Fortunately the girl didn't give out
    their address/phone before the 'rents intervened.
    
    There are some sickos out there kiddz.
    

    -- what are your general opinions of these two based on their actions?
    obviously they have no one who will show them the time of day and
    they probably have a low self esteem due to their lack of genitalia
    so the only way they can get their jollys is to threaten 5 year olds
    and use terms and subject matter that I would hope no 5 year old would 
    actually understand.
    
    -- was this all in good fun?  No harm done?
    I'll bet they thought it was all in good fun at the time.  But I'd 
    also bet that the little girl was pretty frightened and confused.
    
    -- can we blame it on the drugs - it wasn't really *them* talking?
    drugs usually don't threaten to rape people.  Drugs usually don't
    talk at all...they're inanimate objects.
    
    -- are these two guys socially responsible for their actions?
    uh...yeah.
    But here's a question, what if the girl grew up to be a vengeful
    b*tch like the chic from I Spit on Your Grave and she went around
    doin a Lorena Bobbit impersanation and blamed it on the fact that
    she was traumatized as a kid by these guys who threatened to rape 
    her ?  So who fault would THAT be ?
    
    Shane, who wonders if Buck is trying to develop psycological profiles
    of us from the responses he gets back.    

>    -- what are your general opinions of these two based on their actions?
They are mentally sick. Very sick.
>    -- was this all in good fun?  No harm done?
Fun has to be reciprocal. In this case it's sickness.
>    -- can we blame it on the drugs - it wasn't really *them* talking?
I don't know how it's for drugs but for alcohol, if someone knows that drinking
makes a beast of him, he should avoid drinking. He's responsible anyway.
>    -- are these two guys socially responsible for their actions?
They surely are.

Sorin

    -- what are your general opinions of these two based on their actions?

Foolish.  Perhaps they don't fully comprehend the impact of their behaviour;
their victims are merely unseen voices on the end of the phone.  Perhaps,
these phonecalls started simply...do you all remember when Rob called Tigga
pretending to be Security and asked her to join them in the car park as 
someone had reversed into her brand new car?  We ALL found that incredibly
amusing.  My local radio station calls people with some prank scenario and 
then when they get the desired reaction they tell them that they're live on 
the air.  However, to find fun and excitement from the nature of their threats
is a bad seed.  They need help.

    -- was this all in good fun?  No harm done?

The fun stops when it's at someone elses cost and people are hurt.  
Unfortunately this extremity of behaviour is severely disciplined.

    -- can we blame it on the drugs - it wasn't really *them* talking?

No we cannot blame it on the drugs.  If alcohol turns you to anger, depression,
violence or sex, you're fully aware of the effect and therefore responsible for
your behaviour whenever you indulge.  As for smoking the sensayuma, this merely
drops all inhibitions and adds a funny angle to absolutely anything - no 
negative effects.  

Furthermore, this has become a recurring performance for them.  They're on a 
high from the fear and confusion they feel from their victims.  I doubt that 
drugs are now required.

    -- are these two guys socially responsible for their actions?

They are indeed socially responsible.  I would like to hope that a five year
old child would be mainly confused by the terminology the two are using and
upset/fearful of their manner and the anger/threats within their speech.

Flip

    No need to repeat the obvious...
    
    Is this in fact true ??
    Up here in Canada people like this get away constantly!!
    We just had a case where a 21 yr old beat a 16 yr old kid to death over
    a ring that was missing, hid the body for a year before one of his
    chickenhearted buddies turned him in, and he got off with manslaughter!
    
    Top that!
    Paully
    

    If This Happens to you ...Try to Find out Who They Are...
    Then Hang_Em_High.
    What_Ever you do..Don't Lose yer Kool and Start Screamin_And_Cussin at
    Them..It only Amuses them and they'll be Callin A_Lot m.
    
    Crazy_It_Can_Get_Dangerous_Al

    What the hell is this world coming to????
    
    I'm 20 years old & can't go out anywhere unless I'm with a big group,
    coz' it scares me sh*tless, I hate staying at my house on my own because
    of previous prank calls!
    
    B*st*rds like that don't deserve to be alive or free in society, lock
    'em up, at least then I'll know I can pick up the phone without panicking!
    
    !!

    
    Come on Buck, what's your own input?
    
    Flip

    My input will be the "wrap up" to the note, after it appears everyone 
    has had a chance to voice their own opinion.

    Buck, I think it's time you spill the beans.
    
    Was this a true story or what?

    Pril (Flip, etc.),
    
    Hold yer horses ... as soon as I have the time to recap, I will.
    Right now, other work projects are taking a priority. 

    
    	Buck, I think you have your priorities backwards.
    
    	8^)
    

    puh-leeeze