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Title:HEAVY_METAL - Talent Round-Up DayDay
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Created:Wed May 04 1988
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
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1079.0. "King Crimson" by QCAV02::RONALD () Mon Jun 12 1995 03:05

    Hi all
    Does anyone know what happened to a group called "King Crimson"
    and how many albums they came out with?
    I seem to remember one which had " court of the crimson king.."
    
    ron
    
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1079.1I think i seen a poster once...?POLAR::KFICZEREMon Jun 12 1995 08:064
    Was Carmin Appice in that group?? Weren't they like...Platnum Blonde
    look-alikes??
    
    -kev
1079.2MPGS::MARKEYThe bottom end of Liquid SanctuaryMon Jun 12 1995 09:197
    
    Oooooh brother. That's about all I can say. Ooooooh brother.
    
    Well, I'll also say that I think I have a candidate for this
    year's Karen Ann Quinlan memorial award.
    
    -b
1079.3BUSY::BUSY::SLABOUNTYTrouble with a capital 'T'Mon Jun 12 1995 09:323
    
    	Kids, eh??
    
1079.4CARMINE WAS THE DRUMMER, CAN'T REMEMBER ANYONE ELSEKDCA03::CDCUP_TORRENMon Jun 12 1995 10:136
    
    	/kev : I think your thinking of King Cobra, I think they had
    two albums, then the guitarist joined WASP, never heard from them
    again. 
    
    Bobby T
1079.5????POLAR::KFICZEREMon Jun 12 1995 11:154
    Yes, Bobby T, your right. Now that i have that cleared up i'm sure i've
    heard of King Crimson. Don't they have some amazing Horn dude??
    
    -kev
1079.6WMOIS::MAZURKASon_of_A_Wicked_Good_TimeMon Jun 12 1995 11:227
    Yes...
    Trevor HornDude..Played with them fer A_While then went to YES.
    A Fellow named Robert Frappe plays Guitar for KC.I think he might
    Suffer Paralysis_In_The_Legs tho,Because he's Always Sittin_Down
    when he Plays Out...
    
       Albert M
1079.7BUSY::BUSY::SLABOUNTYTrouble with a capital 'T'Mon Jun 12 1995 11:313
    
    	Frippe, perhaps?
    
1079.8MKOTS3::GRENIERMon Jun 12 1995 11:544
    Err...that's Fripp.   ...and I don't believe Trevor Horn _ever_
    played for Crimson...someone correct me if I'm wrong.
    
    Steve
1079.9You A_Little Slow To_Day?? :_)WMOIS::MAZURKASon_of_A_Wicked_Good_TimeMon Jun 12 1995 12:064
    Ohh Don't be Going and Spoilin All my Fun,Steve.  :_)
    
      Albert M
    
1079.10MKOTS3::GRENIERMon Jun 12 1995 12:122
    Oops...didn't catch the tone of the conversation...must still be 
    asleep today!  8^)
1079.11POLAR::KFICZEREMon Jun 12 1995 14:395
    Yeah, Fripp, That's the dude i was thinking of. Not a horn dude
    tho...oh well...
    
    -kev [what time period are we talking about with KC ? 60's???]
         [just curious...they come up quite often in things i read..]
1079.12MKOTS3::GRENIERMon Jun 12 1995 14:5117
Here's Crimson's discography, not including box sets and collections:
    
In The Court Of The Crimson King  1969
In the Wake of Poseidon           1970
Lizard                            1970
Islands                           1971
Earthbound                        1972 (live album)
Larks' Tongues in Aspic           1973
Starless and Bible Black          1974
Red                               1974
USA                               1975 (live album)
Discipline                        1981
Beat                              1982
Three of a Perfect Pair           1984
Vrooom                            1994 (EP)
Thrak                             1995
                                                                     
1079.13POLAR::KFICZEREMon Jun 12 1995 16:324
    Wow...that's quite a list! So...in under 10,000 words can you describe 
    what/who they sound like?? R&B,Rock,country,..???
    
    -kev [ now even MORE curious ]
1079.14BUSY::BUSY::SLABOUNTYTrouble with a capital 'T'Mon Jun 12 1995 16:363
    
    	Progressive.
    
1079.15Great Historical_Band.WMOIS::MAZURKASon_of_A_Wicked_Good_TimeMon Jun 12 1995 17:222
    ron and -kev..
    Check out MR1PST::MUSIC   (nte 298)
1079.16FABSIX::I_GOLDIEresident alienMon Jun 12 1995 17:388
    there's a big piece on king Krimson in a guitar rag a little while ago!
    
    they're definately not everyone's cup of tea...especially Robert
    Frippe's stuff!Personally,I think he's bit of a looney after seeing 
    interviews with him on telly in the past!
    
    
    							ian
1079.17TPLAB::VLASIUSorin Vlasiu - Brussels, BelgiumTue Jun 13 1995 04:5911
Among the musicians who have been part of KC at different periods are:
Gregg Lake, John Wetton, Ian McDonald (later one of Foreigner founders),
Adrian Bellew (he was recently still in KC).

In the Court of the Crimson King is one of the best albums ever. In the Awake
of Poseidon sounds alike but is less impressive. The rest of the albums are
different each time depending on the period. Starless and Bible Black, Three
of a Perfect Pair are among those very interesting and which I had occasion
to listen.

Sorin
1079.18dont mix KC and the Sunshine band..QCAV01::RONALDTue Jun 13 1995 05:248
    hey, hey that's quite a score for a day...
    good to know i'm still not the only one "living in the past"
    
    yes there are a great band and their "english" music was carried
    into YES, ELP ... John Lord could definately have fitted into 
    KC.. what with the classical over tones and bass/drum duets..
    i'll find another...
    ron
1079.19MKOTS3::GRENIERTue Jun 13 1995 08:5931
  >  Wow...that's quite a list! So...in under 10,000 words can you
  >  describe what/who they sound like?? R&B,Rock,country,..???
  >      
  >  -kev [ now even MORE curious ]
     
    ...and that's not counting their two boxsets, and three or four
    'best of' albums!  
    
    KC isn't very easy to describe.  They're a 70s progressive rock group,
    along the lines of ELP, Genesis, Yes, Camel, Gentle Giant, but with a
    sound all their own.  I can't say they sound _like_ any other artist,
    except maybe solo-Fripp.  If you want an in-depth description check
    out:  http://prog.ari.net/prog/GEPR/k.html#KINGCRIMSON on the WWW.
    
    Other notable members are Bill Bruford and Tony Levin.  KC varies a lot
    depending on time period, but it all has the distinct KC sound.  'In 
    the Court of the Crimson King' is probably their best early-era album.
    'Red' is the best of the mid-era Crimson (Larks Tongues, Red, Starless),
    and 'Discipline' is the best of the 80's-era KC.  IMHO, of course. 
    
    KC reformed last year as a double-trio: Robert Fripp & Adrian Belew
    on guitars, Tony Levin & Trey Gunn on bass/Chapman Stick, and Bill
    Bruford & Tony Mastelotto on drums.  Their new release 'Thrak' is
    excellent!  Kind of combines elements of 'Red' and 'Discipline'.
    
    See if a friend will loan you an album, or go buy one of them, but
    remember, keep an open mind!  KC is _usually_ an acquired taste, 
    but is definately worth the effort!
    
    Steve
         
1079.20WONDER::REILLYSean / Alpha Servers DTN:223-4375Tue Jun 13 1995 09:0427
    
>    Wow...that's quite a list! So...in under 10,000 words can you describe 
>    what/who they sound like??
    
    Absolutely impossible.  
    
    "Discipline" is probably their crowning achievement, but it is a music
    characterized by the 80's lineup, which is different than earlier 
    incarnations of the group.
    
    "Lark's Tongue in Aspic" and "Starless and Bible Black" are probably
    what you'd find if you could look up KC in the dictionary.  Personally,
    I find "Islands" to be the best of this period ("Ladies of the Road"
    is a classic example of gritty leachery without resorting to the 
    obviousnes that many of today's inarticulate HM bands do).
    
    "In the Court..." is their most accessible (leaving out "Moonchild")
    in the sense that if you like ELP, Yes, early Moody Blues, this album
    is not a huge leap.  "In the Wake..." is a similar, but they are
    starting to take more risks ("Cat Food").
    
    KC == Fripp + whoever, and it changes every album.  Fripp can wail when
    he wants to, no question.  For a real barn-burning example, get Brian
    Eno's "Here Come The Warm Jets" (meaning left as an exercise for the
    reader) and listen to "Baby's On Fire."
    
    - Sean
1079.21DAGWUD::FLATTERYTue Jun 13 1995 09:452
    ..is this the same King Crimson who've been around for 100 years...
    geez..some of you really need to get out more often.......;')........./k
1079.22MPGS::MARKEYThe bottom end of Liquid SanctuaryTue Jun 13 1995 10:1334
    
    "Baby's on Fire"... I *LOVE* that frackin' tune. Check out the 801
    version of it sometime. Man, I *LOVE* that frackin' tune... oh,
    did I mention... I *LOVE* that frackin' tune...
    
    ANYWAY... KC are wonderful. I'm not sure whether Karen is saying
    that those of who listen to KC need to get out more often or those
    who aren't aware of them need to... but just last night, my CD
    player spun Green Day, Nine Inch Nails, Morphine, King Crimson,
    an old Gentle Giant album (Octopus) and a Jaco Pastorius era
    Weather Report album (Heavy Weather). I get out just fine, thanks...
    :-)
    
    Just a couple weeks ago, I saw King Crimson at the Orpheum in Boston.
    Current KC members include Adrian Belew (check out his solo stuff
    and his stuff with "The Bears") and Bill Bruford (Yes) -- who
    is one of my favorite drummers on planet earth -- as well as Tony
    Levin, who is both a friend and the single greatest influence on
    my own bass/stick playing. Tony's other well-known gig is with
    Peter Gabriel, although he's also played with the "sub-Yes"
    (Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Howe), Pink Floyd (on the Momentary
    Lapse of Reason album), Peter Frampton (!!), the Eggs, Robbie
    Robertson (ex-The Band) and a host of others.
    
    The new KC album wanders dangerously close to alternative rock,
    and in my not-so-humble-opinion, they blow the shiite out of
    any of the Pearl/Jizz reference poseurs out there... if you
    ever want to see *real* players who can play something other
    than 4/4 and rehashed blues scales, check these guys out...
    especially live. It is mind boggling.
    
    Oh, and I forgot to mention that I *LOVE* Baby's on Fire...
    
    -b
1079.23POLAR::KFICZERETue Jun 13 1995 10:187
    Wow, thanks for the pointers guys.I'll keep my eyes and ears peeled for
    some.I find it very hard to believe that i have never come into
    contact with KC before.Oh well...just when i thought i knew
    everything...
    
    thanxx,
    -kev
1079.24MKOTS3::GRENIERTue Jun 13 1995 10:266
    re: Brian
    
    Have you heard Tony Levin's newest release, 'World Diary'?  If so,
    how is it?
    
    Steve
1079.25MPGS::MARKEYThe bottom end of Liquid SanctuaryTue Jun 13 1995 10:349
    
    Steve,
    
    No, I haven't heard "World Diary" yet, although I'm led to
    believe that it is similar in nature to the Stick piece Tony
    did on "Plus From Us"... with some other goodies, guest
    shots thrown in...
    
    -b
1079.26....and listen to something other than old Ozzy...;')..DAGWUD::FLATTERYTue Jun 13 1995 12:213
    brian....re: my meaning....i was saying those that haven't heard of
    KC ought to get out more often........they've been around forEVAH!..;')
    .../k
1079.27Cognitive DissonanceWONDER::REILLYSean / Alpha Servers DTN:223-4375Tue Jun 13 1995 12:2814
    
    > "Baby's on Fire"... I *LOVE* that frackin' tune. Check out the 801
    > version of it sometime. Man, I *LOVE* that frackin' tune... oh,
    > did I mention... I *LOVE* that frackin' tune...
    
    Yeah, I have the 801 Live version of that...  and that's not even the
    best tune on that record!
    
    Another great dangerously-close-to-alternative set of stuff was Fripp's
    League of Gentlemen (*not* to be confused with his League of Crafty
    Guitarists).  Sara-Lee (Gang of Four, B-52's) ripps some mean bass,
    but it's Fripp's guitar that kills me - he's downright *dancable*!
    
    - Sean
1079.28I DIDN'T CATCH IT...PATE::SCHIAVONEWhenever I smile, I smile the most...Wed Jun 14 1995 10:274
	Was Adrien Belew in the lineup a few weeks back???

	/Cap'n Quad
1079.29MPGS::MARKEYThe bottom end of Liquid SanctuaryWed Jun 14 1995 10:556
    
    RE: .28
    
    Yes, and he played and sang great!
    
    -b