Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    Could Some_Body Exsplain to me what"Semantics and Etymology"means?
    
    :_)
    
       Crazy_Lot'sa_Black_And_Flannel_Raggy_Clothes_Al

    
     Could somebody explain what " Exsplain" means?

    
    
    You'z guys ax too many tough quextions.
    
    
    G-MAN
    

    Hay, gif the gye a brake!

    
    
       Its when you spend a lot of money to look like you dont have any
    money. Paying high prices for clothes that look like they were stolen
    from a sterno bum.
    
    
    
    
                                                *B*

    > Its when you spend a lot of money to look like you dont have any
    >  money. Paying high prices for clothes that look like they were
    > stolen from a sterno bum.
    
    Or in the immortal words of Stephen Tyler of Aerosmith:
    
    	"You wouldn't believe how much it costs to look this cheap"

    ..d.ave..i loved it when tyler said this at the
    grammy's...unfortunately he nabbed it from Dolly Parton who was the
    originator of the line.......................either way it's cute../k

  >  Hay, gif the gye a brake!
    
    Why is everyone spelling things wrong??  The basenoter spelled
    everything correctly in .0.
    
    
    

    It's a memorial tribute to Jesse.

    re: /k
    
    Wow, everybody is ripping of Dolly these days.  Aerosmith, Whitney
    Houston, ...
    
    	db - who confesses to be a closet Dolly fan

    RE.-1
    Well, Tyler ripped the line
    'You wouldn't believe how much it costs to look this cheap'.
    But what in the world would Whitney want to rip off of Dolly Parton? ;>
    
    Marcel, he_who_couldn't_tell_the_difference_between_a_silhouette_of
             Dolly_Parton_and_Whitney_Houston.   :)

    
    re:Marcel, he_who_couldn't_tell_the_difference_between_a_silhouette_of
                 Dolly_Parton_and_Whitney_Houston.
    
    Whitney                Dolly
                                
        ||                     ))      (Think about it) :)
                                
    
      And Dolly has bigger hair too.
    
                                                *B*

    RE.-1
    I know, I was only kidding! That's why I said: I wonder what in the
    world Whitney would want that Dolly has and she hasn't.
    
    Well, maybe 1 other thing (only if she's anything like Michael
    Jackson):
    the color.
    Allthough I like Whitney the way she looks now (but a bit of Dolly
    could improve her looks), nothing said about her singing.
    
    Marcel.

    Marcel.......Whitney made gzillions of dollars recording the song
    "I will always love you"...which Dolly Parton wrote ...the song was
    also featured inthe movie 'best little whorehouse in texas'....Dolly
    played the Madam of the house and sang the tune...not sure if she
    recorded it first...but i know whe wrote it..so that's what whitney
    'borrowed'.........../k
    p.s. dolly sang it WAY better.........IMNSHO............;')

    
    is that the movie where wanders about in her underwear a lot? 8)
    
    
    				ian

    Neither one has something the other wants.  Dolly told me what she has
    she bought for herself; her mother didn't give it to her.

    FOR ONE THING DOLLY DOES NOT SING THE SONG BETTER
    SHE S GOOD AT COUNTRY AND THATS IT
    WHITNY HAS A GREAT VOICE FOR POP
    
    THE BOXER
    

    No offense to anyone that likes it, but I absolutely *abhor* Whitney's
    version of that poor song.  She absolutely *butchered* it with that
    bogus overused, overextended, overblown vocal improv rubbish.  If I
    have to hear it again, I'm gonna kill something.
    
    'Iiiiieeeiiiieeeiiii will alllllwaaaays loooove yooooeeeeoo**BANG**!!
                                                                         
    GH

    re: .18.....that's your opinion.....and i have mine.....i'm with you
    greg........................................way overdone......../k

    GRUNGE: Heavy loud very distorted music from the Seattle
    coffee-house/rock scene.  Referring to the aforementioned distorted or
    "grungy" sound.  Also referring to the unkempt streetperson smell and
    look of the self-absorbed hearing impaired fan base.
    
    gman
    
    (no D in Phoenix?)
    (talk to me in june)
    

    Grunge (looks like)= clothes you get from Goodwill or Salvation Army.
    
    Grunge (sounds like)= loud noises and screaming/yelling.
    
    Grunge (lyrically/emotionally)= depressing, sad, low self-esteem,
    etc...
    
                 stig

    I'm (almost) 'afraid' to admit it, but I liked Whitney's version too.
    Hold your horses, I never heard Dolly sing it, but I'm not sure I want
    to.
    
    Anyway, I also like grunge a lot. Pearl Jam is good, and Nirvana is
    (was?) the best IMNSHO!
    
    Marcel

    
    
      Grunge: You look cheap.
    
      Grunge: It sounds like your band's equipment is cheap.
    
    
                                                *B*

    Grunge:  You actually are poor and you dress appropriately.
    
    Grunge:  Your equipment IS cheap, because, after each set, you're
    	     going to smash it to bits.
    
    Grunge:  The sound your cheap equipment makes, because of holes in the
             amp speakers and all the solder on the pickups in your re-re-
    	     reassembled '67 Fender Strat.
    
    
    gman
    
    

    When I said I *LIKED* Whitney's version last year, they all laughed at
    me too.

    I thought it was cack!
    
    
    

>    I thought it was cack!
    
    Donno, mate, I never smoke the stuff.

    
    im starting to think that none of the terminals on COMET have a cap
    lock key that works...
    

    
    
    	Yo, Scott....shut off the caps.... hurts the eyes
    	and in notes is considered shouting.....
    
    	Our eyes thank you.  =)
    
    	JJ
    

    
    
      My eyes!  They had just healed from the last time and now they are
    bleeding again.  owch that stings.
    
    
    
                                                *B*

    
    	It must be the COMET keyboards.... NO cap release.....
    
    
    	:|
    
    
    	SueJ

    ....he said that we're all hopelessly misguided and that the movie
    'singles' is to be used as the grunge bible.....for all of us who have
    little or nothing else to do with our time...we should check it out and
    possibly take lengthy notes............................./k

    Nice to see someone's still flying the flannel.  Remember the old
    grunge motto:  Wash not, Want not!

    thanks, k.

    >    grunge motto:  Wash not, Want not!

    I think I'll try this again. I wasn't paying atention well enough last
    time.  I apologize to those of you I blinded or defened or whatever. 
    But since their are so many funny people in this note I will try to
    restate what I said.
    	But first I want to know if every one in this conference dislikes
    grunge, cause thats what it seems like.  The main aspect of grunge is
    that its relaxed.  The style of music and dress is all individual.  
    	As far as the music goes it is all not about Nirvana style hard
    distorted rock with a screaming maniac at the mike.  I know that
    Nirvana is realy not that good and since it was the first mainstream
    grunge band it has distorted the grunge image.  Grunge is much broader
    than Nirvana.  The best place to start is Pearl Jam.  the group has
    managed to put more meaning into rock n' roll.  Since the early
    seventees rock has lost much of the style and meaning it once had.  the
    music of Led Zepplin, Lenard Skynard, CCR, the Doors and lots of
    classic rock is very big in the grunge scene.  On the heels of Pearl
    Jam came Alice and Chains with a more heavy metal sound. Since then STP
    (Stone Temple Pilot) has managed to come in some where between the two. 
    Softer styles of grunge rock has been brought out by Blind Melon and
    Smashing Pumkins.  Grunge has also taken off from the alternative scene
    taking in much of its music. REM, 10,000 Maniacs. The suttle sounds of
    the Samples and Big Head Todd have added another style to grunge. The
    most recent big band to enter the scene is Tool with a heacy bass
    guitar and incredible videos. The music that is part of the grunge
    scene is not all rock, and that wich is can range from Metalica to
    Smashing Pumkins.
    
    	As far as clothing goes that can be very diferent from person to
    person. Shoes, sneakers, tevas, berk's, boots, steel toes, military
    boots. What ever you want. The main requirements are comfort and earth
    tones.  Flannel t-shirt and jeans with a pair of tevas is a typical
    outifit, and very comfortable.  Bright colors like pink purple, royal
    blue, fire engine red, are not seen.  Because of the dark earthy colors
    most people think of the clothes as dirty and old. If you go to a surf
    or skate store you will see lots of new clothes that are very drab and
    earthy.  The most common clothes are made by stussy, Rusty, and
    Bilabong.  Some people do go far and shop at thrift and goodwil stores.
    Only becuase they find comfortable clothes that have good earthy
    colors.  Grunge chooses comfort over tight jeans and leather mini
    skirts.
    	As far as the movie singles goes I wouldn't consider it a bible for
    grunge.  It is just a good look into the life of a few people in the
    grunge scene.  Each has their own life style and style, but all are in
    the grunge scene. The music shows the range that the grunge scene
    encompases, ranging from Jimmy Hendrix to Paul Westerberg.  It is more
    of a Cliff Notes for the Grunge Bible.  I am not saying that you should
    make a strong point of watching the movie just so you are hip to what
    grunge is all about. But if you are interested it is also a very good
    movie.  Bridgette Fonda is hot as usual.

    
    wow!!  much better that time around :').  i dont particularly like
    grunge (do like some older smasking pumpkins, but i never would
    consider that grunge, more along the lines of a janes addiction), but i
    cant think of a couple of people in here that do... 
    

    I would consider Smashing Pumkins somewhat alternative grunge.  It is
    based in grunge stylye but is much softer. I can't wait to see them at
    lala.  I am glad some one in here likes grunge. It seemed to me that
    every one was in this note just to knock it.  
    	AS far as groups like Sm Pum and Janes go i feel that they are not
    realy grunge rock.  I think the Grunge rock movement has led to the
    popularization of more music. Examples would be Sm Pum, Big Head Todd,
    The Samples, and unfortunately Beck.  Since the grunge style has led to
    the growth of many new styles of music that it would be easiest to
    consider them grunge since grunge followers are often the main
    listeners.  Also if we considered each group diferently we would end up
    with atleats 20 diferent styles.
    

    
    	Superb - now we now how to do it properly,
    
    							Stuart,
    
    (who likes "most" grunge music.)

    
    
      I diddn't like grunge at the beginning. It had too much "Its not my
    fault I'm so screwed up" kind of lyrics. (I believe you can overcome
    anyhing as long as you really want to.) Lately My girlfriend has been
    trying to coerce me into listening to more grunge. I really hated Pearl
    Jam because they were seriously overplayed.  Since they are easing up
    on the number of Pearl Jam tunes they play, I'm starting to like them
    more. 
      I do like the Pilots and A n'C. It's a little harder for me to get
    into Smashing Pumpkins and some of the others because they are not
    metal enough for me.  I am still a Metallica (I'm playing Garage Days
    right now), Pantera, White Zombie, Megadeth, ect.ect. kind of guy. 
      I still cant stand 10,000 Birkenstocks or Fuente. Gag. I am going to
    go off if I hear that "The more you ignore me" song.  
      
     " She loves me she hates to be alone, She dont eat meat, but she sure
    like the' bone! "  -excellent tune.
    
                                                *B*

    re.40
    
    Led Zep, Jimmy Hendrix, Doors, Skynrd...???
    
    Hardly grunge. 
    
             stig

    RE.40
    Off course there are also people who like grunge here.
    I like (most) grunge.
    But I find it offensive to say that Nirvana is "not that good".
    Nirvana is (was) GREAT!! Especially Nevermind. Name 1 song on Nevermind
    that isn't a great song! I dare you!
    
    I also like Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots, Blind Melon.
    
    Marcel

    
    
      re: Blind Melon
    
    All I can say, Is that my song is pretty lame.
    

	I thought it was called grunge because of it's muddy sound...

	I must say that the words relax and grunge don't seem to go together...

	Didn't "grunge" start in Milwaukee (sic)...

	Pearl Jam would not be my first choice in grunge...

	Just thinkin...

	/Cap'n Quad

  >	I must say that the words relax and grunge don't seem to go together...
    
    Ha!  I was thinking the same thing!
    
    Also, to the Comet noter:
    
    It's Led Zeppelin, & Lynyrd Skynyrd....   If you're fans of the bands,
    you really should know how to spell their names!  
    
    

    Personally, I tend to think of Pearl Jam as something akin to "Grunge
    Lite", it has some slight resemblance to it, but it ain't it.  STPs
    fall into that same category for me.  Tad, Mudhoney, or Bleach-era
    Nirvana are what I'd call original "grunge", all that stuff that
    Sub-Pop put out in late-80s/early-90s.  I think of grunge as "modern
    punk".  Not quite hardcore, but close.
    
    Nevermind wasn't all that much grunge in my mind either.  It's pop
    songs with a buncha distortion in every other song section and an
    singer who's outta key most of the time.
    
    Guess you could call bands like AiC or Tool "grunge", but my
    description of groups like that would be "Alternative Metal", if I had
    to put a label on it.
    
    Personally, I tend to have two classifications of music.  "What I
    Like", and "What I Don't Like".  If it falls into the former, I listen
    to it.
    
    gh

    Sorry Led Zeppelin, & Lynyrd Skynyrd. 
    Personaly I don't like Skynyrd all to much, but i do love Zeppelin the
    Doors, CCR and lots of other CLASSIC rock n' roll.  I never said that
    they were grunge. all I said was that they are liked in the grung
    scene.  As far as this group not being or being grunge, it all depends
    on where you draw the line.  To say that a band does sound like Nirvana
    or Pearl Jam so it is grunge, or it doesn't so it isn't is very
    acurate.  Like I said if we try and label every style we will have at
    least twenty labels.  Alternative, alt grunge, grunge, grunge metal,
    alt metal.  We all consider G n' R, Aerosmith, and Metalica to be
    metal, but I can easily pick each band out from the sound.  They each
    have their own sound, but they are all metal.  As far as Tool and A n,
    C they both have metal sounds, but are still "muddy".  It is realy hard
    to draw the line. It is a very individual thing, I think this is grunge
    and you don't.  As far as being relaxed, i didn't mean the music, all
    though some of it is. (Smashing Pumkins, Big Head Todd)  I just mean
    that the style and the scene is relaxed. Just because every one likes
    to go to concerts and have a good time and thrash around doesn't mean
    it isn't relaxed.  Everyone goes to have fun they relax let loose and
    have a good time.  Most people are very laid back(possibly because all
    the bowls they smoke) and this is partly why the dress is so loose and
    drab.  Also styles can vary widely and no real set lines are drawn.

    What I like and What I don't like(country) works the best.

> We all consider G n' R, Aerosmith, and Metalica to be
>    metal, but I can easily pick each band out from the sound.  
    
    Ummm....actually I don't consider either Aerosmith or GnR to be
    "metal".  I'd call them "rock" or "hard rock".  The better Aerosmith
    stuff I'd be inclined to call "classic rock" these days.  Those dudes
    are getting OLD!
    
    But...I've always thought classifications and sub-genres and all that
    were kind of bogus.  Music is music.  Back to "I like" and "That
    sucks".
    
    gh

    You could never classify it all.
    
    It all blends together.
    
    |KS|

    That is what I have been trying to say.  We can't classify all music
    under definite types. One person may feel this is this and that is
    that, but someone else may disagree.  This has been hard though because
    people keep throwing it back in my face saying that they think this is
    that and that is this.  I think the only good way to do it is I like it
    or I hate it.  The local classic rock station plays some U2, some of it
    recent. I definetely don't consider it Classic rock but someone must. 
    They never play metalica or even much Aerosmith.  If Aerosmith isn't
    classic rock what is.  I am not sure of exact numbers but haven't they
    had like 13 records in the last 14 years, or something like that.

    Yes yes another COMET noter....  maybe its this place but I'd have to
    agree that there are lots of different meaning to the word "grunge" and
    to try and define it by giving examples of the types of songs in this
    type of music is probably the most difficult way of defining it.  It
    seems to me that this is VERY subjective to whether the person likes
    grunge and whether they like the artist. If a persone doesn't like
    grunge then it is most likely that that music they don't like ends up
    being put into this catigory.  If they like it its "rock" or
    "alternitive".  
    Grunge is the combination of different ideas and people.  They don't
    nessarily have to agree. all they have to do is talk.  This "whole"
    note is IN the grunge seen because it is the open expression of ideas
    and information.
    
    				Andy
     

    
    
    	I 'd like to say that grunge could be seen as the Rock'n Roll
    	of the early nineties , much like punk could be seen as
    	the Rock'n Roll of the late seventies or early eighties:
    	expression of real life and less commercial sh... for the
    	masses. When ever a special flavour of Rockn'Roll dies
    	it gets commercial or the other way round.
    
                                                	helmut
    						

    This is my first time on notes, so here goes nothing
    
    I think that Pearl Jam, Blind Melon, Stone Temple Pilots, Alice IN
    Chains, Nirvana, Metallica, Soul Asylum, Lenny Kravitz, who I went 
    to see last November (and who was totally amazing!!) are probably some
    of the best bands I've ever heard.  I may be young and missed out on
    the 60's and half of the 70's (although I did grow up with it, as my 
    dad was a DJ), but I think that people should give any kind of Rock and 
    Roll a listen, before describing it as rubbish, the kind of music with 
    synthesisers being punched at, at all times is crap, but at least the 
    bands that I like play guitars, play the drums the way they should be
    played and have vocalists that sing without being dubbed.
    
    So I totally agree with all "GRUNGERS"
    
    Me

>    I think that Pearl Jam, Blind Melon, Stone Temple Pilots, Alice IN
>    Chains, Nirvana, Metallica, Soul Asylum, Lenny Kravitz, who I went 
   
>   dad was a DJ), but I think that people should give any kind of Rock and 
>    Roll a listen, before describing it as rubbish, the kind of music with 
>    synthesisers being punched at, at all times is crap, but at least the 
 
	How could you not help hearing all of the above bands - they play
	them on the radio every 2-4 minutes, which is one of the reasons
	people begin to describe it as rubbish IMHFO...I happen to like a lot
	of synth music...especially groups like Lords of Acid, which is great
	music to arobecise all night too, if ya get my drift...goes back to GH..
        what I listen too and what I don't
	

	/Cap'n Quad

	   

    RE.60
    Welcome all new cummers!
    I agree with you.
    
    When you say 'not that old', what do you mean? In your teens, twenties?
    And where are you from?
    
    Marcel

    Well I'm around about not that old, I'm 18, 19 in about 2 weeks!
    
    I'm from DECpark in Reading, England!
    I never knew how cool it could be talking to all you "Rock and
    Roll"ers out there, as there aren't that many near me!
    
    By the way, Pearl Jam, Nirvana etc... never ever get played here 
    in Reading, as there are just too many Ravers and the tunes are always
    charty/dancy.  Not that I don't listen to that stuff, but I wish my
    music could be played a bit more.
    
    Speak Soon
    
    S
     

    
     Glad to have you aboard S   
    
      Its always good to get some new blood in here. Especially with all 
    of the current blood we have that is being drained into the street, 
    so to speak.
    
    
    
                                                *B*

    
    re S
    
    
    I detest Rave.
    
    
    					ian

    I didn't think Rave was a style of music.  I thought it was a party
    where Techno is played. Is techno the same thing or are rave and techno
    different.

    RE.-1
    I don't know, and I'm not sure I wanna know!  :)
    
    RE.S
    I've just turned 23 and I am a trainee here in Nijmegen, Holland.
    Are you a trainee too?
    Well, if you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask.
    In here, or through mail. Address is above.
    Enjoy your stay here (as long as it will last)!
    
    Marcel

    
    
      Aint techno just that THUMP THUMP THUMP 140bpm kind of dance music 
    with no words? 
    
    
    
    
                                                *B*

    Hi *B*
    
    What's is you proper name, and are you based in Reading or some
    foreign place!
    
    S

    Ian,
    
    Thanks, I detest Rave too, it's just not rock!!
    
    I've already asked *B* where he/she is from, so can I ask you too??
    
    S

    RE: 66
    
    There are all kinds of music that you can be in to, Techno, Garage,
    House, Dance, Swingbeat and Rave is worse than all of them!!  Also 
    Rave has MC'ing and various records mixed in to the base tune, 
    techno is straight through music (ie Beeps and No singing).
    
    I know this because my twin sister used to listen to it, but thank god
    I managed to convert her into liking more soulful music such as Janet
    Jackson, James Brown etc.. etc..
    
    Hope it answered your question!!!!
    
    
    S

    RE: Marcel
    
    I am also a trainee, but only until the end of July, I've been here
    only a year!
    
    Are you also in favour of Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains etc.. I've never
    seen Pearl Jam play, apart from on MTV, and I need to find out from
    people whether or not they'll ever tour in England!
    
    If you can help, please let me know!!
    
    Thanks
    
    S

    RE: 68
    
    You got it in one *B*
    
    S

    
    
    S
    
    I am located in Alpharetta Georgia. See the roster 3.97 fo' mo' info. 
                                                       
    
    
    
    
                                                *B*

    Brian
    
    It's very nice to meet/type/talk to you.
    
    Sara

    
    	Get a room!!
    
    							GTI

    Did any of you hear (a part) of the housy remix some broad made of
    "Smells like teen spirit"? It su$#s!!!
    
    Marcel

	Tubular romance %^)

	Hey, B* where is Alpharetta?  I'm going down to Columbus next month
	for a visit to my sister...what's up in the area, other than C-130s
	and parachutes....

	/CQ

    Alpharetta is in Georgia, about 30 minutes north of Atlanta.
    
    My parents live about 2 miles from the DEC facility.

    
      Its only about twenty minutes when you drive like me. Grab a Creative
    Loafing and it has all of the clubs listed in it.
    
    
    
    
                                                *B*

    Reply:S
    From what I here Pearl Jam got tired of the trouble they were having
    during the tour and stopped to go back and make a new album.
    
    	While in Boulder Colorado they encountered alot of trouble.  The
    first night Security was very bad and rough with people in the pit. 
    The second night Eddie Veder stopped the show to bitch out security for
    the treatment.  The third show was canceled and rescudueled for a later
    date and different location.  Veder was back in town a month later for
    a court date. from what I hear they had similar problems almost
    everywhere and they canceled the rest of the tour.
     	It may be awhile before they tour again but when they do it is a
    must see. They were great.
    
    I can't wait for the new CD and I figure it will be great. I hope they
    tour again soon and if I here anything I will let you know.

    Well, second try:
    
    I heard a little piece of a new housy remix of 'Smells like teen
    spirit' by some lady singer from England or something. Did anybody else
    get a chance to hear it?
    
    If not, keep it that way! It su@%$!
    Please, people. Don't try to make a fast buck(sp?) by 'creating' some
    lame version of a great song, just because the singer of that song
    commited suicide.
    
    Marcel

    RE:  82
    
    The song by Credit to the Nation was a pretty good remix, but that's
    more grunge/indie/rap.  I'd recommend listening to it though!!
    
    Also Credit to the Nation did a song with a band called "Chumbawamba"
    anybody heard it???
    
    S

    One of the theories I've heard as to why they were cancelled is that
    they insisted on a capping the prices that promoters could charge
    for the tickets (I heard $18).
    
    The promoters took their business elsewhere and wouldn't book them.
    
    Now before you go cheering PJ for trying to save you a few bucks and
    jeering the promoters, you really have to find out whether the effort
    to save you money included a reduction of THEIR take, or if they got
    all the money they would normally get and the cap was too low for
    promoters to make any money.
    
    	db

    re: covers of "teen spirit"
    
    Tori Amos also did a cover of Smells Like Teen Spirit a year or so ago. 
    Pretty interesting, but I liked the original version better.  I haven't
    heard this new version.
    
    re: Pearl Jam
    
    There have been several news clippings that people have posted on the
    topic in the Radio_Radio conference.  Bottom line is that Pearl Jam has
    file an lawsuit against Ticketmaster.  They claim that they insisted
    that ticket prices be no higher then $18 each and service charges be no
    more then $1.80 (if I remember correctly) and Ticketmaster said they
    wouldn't list their tickets for that.  Pearl Jam claims that
    Ticketmaster conspired with major booking agencies to ban their shows
    and nobody would book them because of that (gee, it wouldn't have
    anything to do with them causing trouble and rather wantonly cancelling
    shows or anything...now would it?)
    
    Anyway, from what I've seen, Pearl Jam have gotten caught up in the
    spoiled artist syndrome and think everyone should bow to their wishes,
    no matter what they are.  Now, I'm all in favor of lower concert prices
    and I can't stand Ticketshafter, but I think there's more to the story
    then what I've read about their lawsuit.
    
    Greg
                                            

    Latest new on Peal Jam is that they will be filling the hole left by
    Nirvana in this years La la palooza. Mtv reported this weekend that
    they will be touring with the show.
    
    As far as being in the spoiled artist syndrome that would be more like
    G n' R.  Pearl Jam still wants to play little halls where they can
    still have a pit.  Just because they have more fans doesn't mean they
    should play Madison Square Garden. Why can't they play smaller places
    and do more shows.

    
    > Now before you go cheering PJ for trying to save you a few bucks and
    > jeering the promoters, you really have to find out whether the effort
    > to save you money included a reduction of THEIR take
    
    Now before you go cheering the promoters for *not* trying to save you a few
    bucks, you really have to find out whether you feel the promoters
    percentage of the take has already been too high for too long.  That 
    question is technically equivalent (put another way, what makes the 
    status quo "correct?").
    
    Or maybe, as a consumer in market-driven system :^), you just care that
    your costs could be lower.  Heck, maybe the product even increases in value
    to you if you find out PJ takes more of the till.  :^)
    
    I find it interesting that PJ might be suffering from spoiled-artist
    syndrome, but the promoters are just being businessmen.  Do we apply
    a double standard to PJ, like they should be above playing hardball in
    this market game?  (It takes hardball to fight a monopoly - so don't forget
    to check that out accusation, too, while you are checking out if PJ are 
    increasing their % of the take).
    
    - Sean

    According to the article you posted in MUSIC, Pearl Jam insisted
    that the fees and charges be limited to $1.80 per ticket.
    
    I guess we each have to decide whether or not we think that's
    reasonable (i.e. allows them a reasonable profit).
    
    > hey, you can't avoid me by coming in here :^)
    
    Hey, you can't escape me by bowing out of the topic in MUSIC.  ;-)

    
    
    $1.80 is fair to me.. I remember when service charges were $1.50.. They 
    know Pearl Jam will sell out any place they book them at and they'll
    probably make a couple hundred thousand per show on just service 
    charges.. Whats there to bitch about?? 
    
    
    Whit-

    I went back and read my last reply and found that I didn't really state
    my opinion on this topic very well.  My reply made it sound like I
    didn't support what Pearl Jam were trying to do with this lawsuit,
    mostly because I called them "spoiled artists".  I *fully* support what
    they're trying to do, but I don't think it will be very successful
    because of the the fact that they have a history of being difficult for
    promoters and venues to work with.  
    
    I've considered the prices charged for concerts to be usery for well
    over 10 years now, and the "service charges" that Ticketmaster sticks
    you with are ridiculous.
    
>    I find it interesting that PJ might be suffering from spoiled-artist
>    syndrome, but the promoters are just being businessmen. 
    
    I only said half of that.  The promoters are and have been profiteers
    of the worst sort for a long time.  I still maintain that Pearl Jam
    are spoiled artists, less then professional about their business.
    
    Greg

    RE:85
    
    Greg
    
    If there's so much stuff hanging around about Pearl Jam, cna you send
    me some copies or something, as in Reading it's a rarity!!
    
    Cheers
    
    S

    RE:90
    
    Pearl Jam may be spoilt, but they play some damn good music, and don't
    they deserve to be rewarded for it, after all it's us that pays the money 
    for their music, and I don't mind!  Besides, if Pearl Jam hadn't been
    any good then I would never have had the chance to hear Eddie's voice or
    drool over his gorgeous face (Don't get me wrong, that's not all I
    like!)
    
    By the way you "fully" support what they do!  But in your eyes what do
    they do?
    
    S

    RE:76
    
    What does "Get a room mean"  GTI???
    
    

    Re: 92
    
    
    	"What they DO" Meaning he supports the bands feelings on the ticket
    	sales....
    
    
    	SueJ

    Re:S
    
    "Get A_Room" Eludes to the Notion that The People Involved should
    get A room and "Discuss"the Issue at hand in Private.
    
    
        Crazy_Key_Master_Al
    
    

>    If there's so much stuff hanging around about Pearl Jam, cna you send
>    me some copies or something, as in Reading it's a rarity!!

    Add GOES11::RADIO_RADIO to your notebook, then check out note number
    783.*  Be prepared to read a lot of negative commentary about the band,
    many people that frequent that conference think they're too commercial
    to listen to.  There are several news articles about their lawsuit
    against Ticketmaster in that note.
    
    Greg

    A lot of music fans condemn bands after achieving commercial success. 
    It's kind of "me against the world" when their fave bands are still a
    secret.

    My favorite 5 Grudge Bands are as follows:             
    1> SoundGarden
    2> Alice In Chains
    3> Pantera (yes Pantera!)
    4> Temple of the Dog
    5> Pearl Jam
    
    Best Live Bands in My Book, add Metallica and Van Halen!
    
    MIke

    Re.98
    
    Soundgarden kick butt!!
    
    S

    talking of pearl jam, i've just got a double cd called atlanta jamming,
    recorded in april 94. i think its a bootleg (its says live from the
    mixing desk on the cover), anyone got any more details. 
    
    good quality and 140+ mins of music...some tracks with the remaining
    members of the doors from 93 too....
    
    jim.

    
    
      Its prolly from when Pearl Jam played at the Fox a few months ago.
    All the radio stations were giving the CD's away on the air. (And I
    still couldn't get one dammit!"
    
    
    
    
    
                                                *B*