Conference napalm::heavy_metal

They have an album out and 2 songs have made it to the radio.  Sex Type
Thing and Plush.

Tim

    
    Great album.
    
    

    
    I just got the tape (for FREE) Saturday (from our local radio
    station.....hehehe) and I LOVE IT!!!! 
                                          Rat

    
    	Good CD, they sound very similar to Pearl Jam.
    
    
    	fred deady

    re.4
    or vice versa, if PJ is lucky.

    
    Their concerts are very very very Yeeaahhhh
    
    Hi, I was about two months ago witness of THE stone Temple Pilots
    concert.
    The place: doornroosje, Nijmegen , Holland.
    It was a very small heavy-club, it was very nice.
    
    I find their music a mixure between Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Alice in
    Change, lets say just the seattle sound. He ..... they also come from
    Seattle.
    
    Their CD is also perfect and is now one of the CD's I mostly listen.
    The stone temple pilots did not have any Great Hit in Holland Yet, but
    I expect them next year in big festivals like 'Pinkpop'.
    
    You think 'pinkpop'????? It's one of the best festivals in Holland.
    This year the following groups performed :
    - Telenios monster
    - Rage Against the Machine (whow!)
    - The black Crowes
    _ Lenny Kravits
    - New Model Army
    - Living Colour
    - The Red Devils (very good blues)
    - and some local groups
    
    The year before it was also perfect with groups like Pearl Jam, The
    Cult and many more.
    
    I expect that the pilots are one of the head acts on next years
    pinkpop.
    I hope I will see you there.
    
    Date : 23 MAY 1994
    PLACE: Landgraaf Near Maastricht , Holland, Europe
    
    Greetings Pat.

    I heard "sex type thing" on the telly and was well impressed,is the
    rest of the album as good as this song?
    
    
    
                                                ian

Yes, I think it is pretty good.  I was listening to it in the car on the
way to work just this morning.

    Yeah man - I like Stone Temple Pilots!!  Check out the tune "Plush"
    next time your listenin'!!
    
    jc 

    
    	Actually, I prefer the first song, but I forgot the name of it.
    
    	It rocks.
    
    	[And to think I just listened to it this morning and I forgot
    	 what it is!!]
    
    							GTI

	Dead & Bloated

Cracker Man is better.  I'm assume that Wet my Bed is only like 30 seconds
long, since I just have a tape from a friend...

    
    I just ordered tickets for STP with the Butthole Surfers and I think
    a couple other bands...set for July 31st at the P.A.C.C. club in 
    Gardner Mass.
    Should be a rockin' show...outdoors and general admission.
    Their CD "Core" rocks....Now I got to go out and pick up the
    Buttholes. Looking forward to this one!!!!
    
    Az

    
    	"Who Was In My Room Last Night" cranks!!
    
    	I bought the CD just for that song ... the rest of it is very
    	strange.  Not bad, but strange.
    
    							GTI

I believe "The Flaming Lips"?? are also playing with STP.  I've never
heard this band so I wouldn't know what to expect.

I'm really bummed I'll be on vacation when these guys are playing, I'd
have liked to have gone to see them in this sort of atmosphere. 

oh well...

-a

    I think They're Askin $23 fer General_Admission.

    
    
    	$23 for a concert in Gardner?  too funny.....,
    

But it's the Polish American Beach Club Judy...come on!  It's
where it's at man...

-a

    
    
    	PACC.... Polish American Citizens Club!  get it right
    	will ya?  =)  Funny thing is, you don't have to be 
    	Polish to join.....my dad is Irish and he's a member!
    
    	JJ
    

Hey! I saw a most righteous Stevie Ray Vaughn concert at the PACC, so it
can't be all that bad!

(Out of the ten times I saw SRV, that show was probably the best one!)

alan

>    	PACC.... Polish American Citizens Club!  get it right
>    	will ya?  =)  Funny thing is, you don't have to be 
>    	Polish to join.....my dad is Irish and he's a member!
 
AAF keeps calling it the Polish American Beach Club, sorry babe. :^)
Punish me later. ;^) :^)

-a

    
    
    	duh....  twits.  it's the PACC not the PABC!
    

    
	Do you have to purchase tix thru ticketshafter?  I just called
	the Polish Americam Beach and Citizen Club for Non-Polish Peoples
	and there was no answer...

	/Cap'n Quad    
    

    
    
    	RE: not getting an answer
    
    	Depends on the number you're calling.  The show is at the
    	beach, not the club itself.  You'd have to get the number
    	for the bar side in order to get answer I'm sure..
    
    	tigg~~~~

    
>    	Depends on the number you're calling.  The show is at the
>    	beach, not the club itself.  You'd have to get the number
>    	for the bar side in order to get answer I'm sure..
    

	It doesn't matter, I just called the country club (beach) side and 
	they said ticketshafter.

	/Cap'n Quad

Ya the radio says ticketmastAH.

-a

    Core is the name of the album and it rocks!!!
    My personal favorites are (in order)
    Plush
    Crackerman
    Wicked Garden
    Wet My Bed
    
    I wish I could go see them in concewrt at red Rocks but my work
    schedule will not allow for such pleasure B^(
    
    chris Vermette

    What's PACC like?  I generally dislike outdoor concerts, but definitely
    would like to see STP.  Can anyone give me a general run down of the
    place? (layout, seats, parking, facilities, etc).
    Sarah 
    (usually read-only, but this one sparked my interest! Love "Cracker Man" 
    and "Dead and Bloated") 

    `Scuse my ignorance,but is the lead singer that bloke from Pearl Jam?
    
    He looks just like him,but with orange short hair and stumpy beard,and
    sounds like him n`all.
    

    Naa..They're Different People..
    Tixs are Still on sale at the Vidio_Forum in Gahd_Ner..

    Beg your pardon.
    
    I was getting confused with this lot and Temple of the Dog or wot not.
    
    (Who i know had the singer from Pearl Jam).
    

    I heard an acoustic version of "Plush" on the radio this morning.  The
    DJ said it was from MTV's Headgiv.....um...HeadBANGer's Ball.  Sounded
    great, I really liked it!!  Anyone see 'em do it?
    
    gh

    
    
    
    Many times.. great song.. but sick of hearing it, so I changed the
    channel... 
    
    Was good though.. ;')
    
    Whit-

    Really?  You're talking about that acoustic version, right Jim?  I
    haven't seen it on MTV at all yet.  But I gave up on the HBB awhile
    back (about when they changed the time it came on from my cable feed so
    that I got it at 2:00am instead of 12:00...)
    
    gh

    
    
    Yup, thats what I'm talkin 'bout.. I've seen it a few times, on prime
    time hours also.. usually when just flipping through the channels.
    
    The do a good job at it live, but it's just getting overplayed out
    here..
    
    Whit-

    I heard Plush and thought it was really good.This band is quickly
    becoming a "must buy" on the cd list...but,has anyone noticed that in
    Plush he sounds very familiar to Eddie Vedder(sp)and some of his facial
    actions are simliar too?
    
    
    sex type thing is still better! 
    
                                                    ian

    I agree Ian, STP RIPS!  I like Plush better than Sex Type Thang tho...
    
    I do wonder why though, the dog would smell her...  Anyone have a clue
    as to the deep meaning of Plush's lyrics?  :-)
    
    Pay no attention to the GFTPM transcription to Plush though, it's
    WRONG!  Shame on them for taking the easy way out ("two guitar part
    transcibed for one" - ACK!)
    
    jc

    Two guitar part?  There's only one guitar player in the band.  I wonder
    how he plays it live?
    
    gh

    
   > I do wonder why though, the dog would smell her...  Anyone have a clue
   > as to the deep meaning of Plush's lyrics?  :-)
   
I'm no lyric genius, but I felt the song was about some woman he buried
six feet under, and calling himself kinda crazy with the 'these are the
eyes of disarray' line.  Guess he's hanging around figuring it'll take
awhile before the blood-hounds will sniff out the body.

Droid_who_hopes_Isa_way_off_base (enough sickness out there already)

    
    Hi,
    My name is Jenn and I'm new to this whole system, but this is great!
    Does anyone know if there are still tickets to the show July 31,
    and how much are they exactly?
    Thanks

    
    
    	Jenn,
    
    	Since it's a General Admission show (or at least they
    	all used to be at the PACC) I would say there are plenty
    	of tix left.
    
    	JJ
    

    JJ,
    
    Thanks. Someone wrote to me to tell there are tickets left, and
    included a number to call. So I'm all set.
    
    Jenn.

	
	So, who's going tommorow?  

	/Cap'n Quad

    I'll be There
    
    
       Crazy_Can_You_Bring_Weapons_Al?

    I think I'll be there too. What time do the bands actually play?
    
    Jennifer

	Me thinks the gates open at 3:00...don't know what time the bands 
	go on.

	/Cap'n Quad

>	Me thinks the gates open at 3:00...don't know what time the bands 
>	go on.

        They do open at 3:00, bands go on at 4:00, there will be food vendors
	but, no alcohol...get ready beforehand

	/Cap'n Quad

    Where are they playing??
    
    	Thanks
    
    		SueJ

re: Jennifer

>    I think I'll be there too. What time do the bands actually play?

According to today's Boston Globe, the Stone Temple Pilots should be going
on around 7:00pm, and Butthole Surfers go on around 8:30pm.

alan

    	I'm actually amazed.... I didn't even hear them.  The last
    	time someone played at the P.A., I could hear the beat while
    	sitting in my backyard.
    
    	Some chick stopped in at the place I get my hair cut at
    	noon time asking where the P.A. was - guess she had a long wait
    	huh?!
    
    	tigg~~~

I heard that the guys in STp got into a fight with an audience member, and
he ended up at the first-aid tent with a wounded head caused by being hit
with a guitar. Anybody who went have any details?

alan

    And that guy plays a Les Paul too!  There could be serious
    repercussions from being hit with something that heavy!
    
    gh

>I heard that the guys in STp got into a fight with an audience member, and
>he ended up at the first-aid tent with a wounded head caused by being hit
>with a guitar. Anybody who went have any details?


	Didn't see what happened to the guy, but after a few shoe throwing
	incidents, the band got pissed (must have stemmed from the drumming
	off stage of the Elvis impersonator and the Flaming Lips, whom I
	thought sucked quite immensely), stopped in the middle of thier
	third song, had the guy in the green shirt brought forward, and then 
	they all jumped off stage and proceeded to 'do something" to the 
	guy "in the green shirt.

	Other highlights:

	Gibby has such a way with words, especially when he told ALL the 
	mothers of twelve year old girls "EXACTLY" what he wanted to do to
	thier daughters with all protruding members of the male human anatomy.

	When he did it again

	And when he did it again

	The BHS lightshow...they set up for all members of the audience doing
	halucinogenics.

	When the STP are the "headline" and they play second

	The young kids, who because of some cheap f#&ks at the show who
	wouldn't supply water, but sold it for $2.00 a pop, had to drink
	the water out of the lake.  

	Best quote: After skimming the lake for his umpteenth cup of
	candylike lake water "This is the cleanest cup I've had all day"
	I'm still trying to figure out if he meant the water or the cup
	itself that was picked out of the garbage can.

	/Cap'n Quad

    And what Really Sucked was that Fact that their was Under_Cover Narcs
    In the Crowd..I could Smell em A Mile Away But they made A_Few Busts.
    I Pitied the Woman Being Tossed Around.They were Gettin Groped_Up
    Big_Time..
    
            Crazy_Oh,Yeah..The_Music_Was_Good_Too_Al
    

    Saw them on t.v. last night - the Daytona Rocks gig - along with Living
    Colour,Black Crowes and Soul Asylum -S.T.P. were definatley the best.

    
    The Boston Globe, Friday the 13th...Living/Arts section has
    an article on the STP fan beating in Garnder.
    Looks like the dude that got beat up came forward and gave an
    interview. I read the article and as I was there I would say its
    sounds pretty much like the truth. Well...except for the actual
    beating as I was in back and didnt see that...but everything that was
    said and done up until the beating sounds about right. 
    But then we got the "he said", "I did" stuff and who knows what
    really went on unless you were right there.
    The lead singer Scott Weiland said that the guy in the "green tanktop"
    was the one throwing the dirt and wanted him brought forward.
    So the dude thought that was cool and went willingly. 
    Question is...was he the one who was throwing dirt?
    Did STP beat up the wrong dude? Not that it was right for them to beat  
    up anyone!!!! According to the article STP has made no comments and
    so far no charges have been made but a lawsuit is being comtemplated.
    If the beating that was described in the aritcle is true...it sounded     
    nasty. I'll be curious to read about the outcome of this deal.
    
    AZ
      

    
    
    	Did they give this guy's name?  I only ask because I wonder
    	if he was a Gardner local or not and if I'd know who he was...
    	
    tigg~~~

    I forget his name,But he wasn't from Gardner..
    In a Interview in the TeleGram_And_Gazette,He said"I like the Bands
    Music Alot,but Don't Care for their Additude."
    
              Crazy_Amen_Brother_Al

    His name is Scott Brown...the article said he is from
    Middlesex County and goes to school at Mt. Wachusett C.C.
    Yea....in this article he said he wasn't "suit happy"
    but he feels that he (the band) shouldn't be able to get away with 
    this and whats to stop them from doing it to other people.

    
	>His name is Scott Brown...the article said he is from
    	>Middlesex County and goes to school at Mt. Wachusett C.C.
    
    	Ah.  Never heard of him...
    
    	>Yea....in this article he said he wasn't "suit happy"
	>but he feels that he (the band) shouldn't be able to get away with 
	>this and whats to stop them from doing it to other people.
    
    	Uh-huh... like a lawsuit would make a difference in whether
    	they'd do it again or not.  Don't think so!!  (it's a shame
    	but, imo, true)
    
    	tigg~~~

    
>    	>Yea....in this article he said he wasn't "suit happy"
>	>but he feels that he (the band) shouldn't be able to get away with 
>	>this and whats to stop them from doing it to other people.
    
>    	Uh-huh... like a lawsuit would make a difference in whether
>    	they'd do it again or not.  Don't think so!!  (it's a shame
>    	but, imo, true)
    

	Maybe I'm just the violent sort, but if I was up there and they were
	throwing dirt and shoes and assorted other goodies at me, and had
	been doing it throughout the whole show,(and they WERE), I would have 
	popped someone REAL good also, as long as I knew I had the right 
	"person."

	/Cap'n Quad_who_thinks_AH WHATEVER, NEVERMIND

	

    Ah yes, the Axl Rose school of getting band publicity...
    
    But honestly, I'm sure it'd p*ss me off to have someone throwing stuff
    at me while I was playing.  I'd be tempted to put the Les Paul upside
    their head too.
    
    gh

    >But honestly, I'm sure it'd p*ss me off to have someone throwing stuff
    >at me while I was playing.  I'd be tempted to put the Les Paul upside
    >their head too.
    
    Back circa 1976, I saw Aerosmith at the Boston Garden.  Joe Perry was
    doing this solo, and this guy goes up to the stage while Joe is sorta
    walking backwards and grabs Joe's leg and yanks him over ... ClUnGgGGgG
    goes Joe and the Black Les Paul Custom onto the floor.  So Joe gets up,
    and slings the LP over his head and BEANS this guy senseless with it. I
    remember Joe got a big round of applause, and people were kicking this
    guy as Security literally dragged him outta the place.
    
    Imvho, the action was justifiable in 1976, and in 1993.  Bands are not
    objects for which the audience are to throw things, etc.  If they start
    pulling that $#!+, then THEY have set the pace for a battle!

    This is why i always buy used guitars that are already all scratched up
    and stuff.  That way if I get teeth marks and stuff on 'em, I don't
    feel bad about it.
    
    gh

    I was told by someone who knows the guy who went with the green
    shirt guy that he Wasn't the one throwing stuff.
    
    J

    I think that this band has to grow up.  

>    I think that this band has to grow up.  

	What about the people throwing stuff at them?  I can vouch for the
	fact that there was planty thrown, I can't vouch for the the fact
	that the band was wrong!

	/Cap'n Quad

    No kidding, that's one of my BIG pet peeves, people throwing stuff at
    bands.  I've never understood what would make someone even think to
    throw things at a band.  Totally stupid.  Did it stop after they
    whacked that guy?
    
    It sucks if they beat up the wrong guy though.  
    
    gh

    
    
     I have some mixed feelings about this kind of thing. First I certainly
    don't condone people throwing ANYTHING at a performer(s). But this kind
    of incident does go hand in hand with any performer and happens alot in
    rock shows. There are ways to deal with it other than getting violent.
    I guess the point I'm trying to make is that its part of the territory
    in rock and roll. Get used to it, or stop performing. It should be
    expected from a crowd at any show. There will always be the single
    digit IQ's in the audience that will do this kind of thing. No?
    
                                                                 mike
    

>    in rock and roll. Get used to it, or stop performing. It should be
>    expected from a crowd at any show. There will always be the single
>    digit IQ's in the audience that will do this kind of thing. No?
    

		Yeah, great concept, sort of like MURDER in the inner
	city.  Get used to it...Yeah I like it

	/Cap'n Quad    

    
     Well its just like anything else in life.
    
    Do you ride a motorcycle without knowing that you could possibly get
    hurt of killed. Yes, I take that possibility into account. Do you play
    any contact sport without thinking that you could get hurt? Yes. There
    are certain risks with anything in life. There are jobs that have a 
    certain amount of danger in them. I think that playing Rock and Roll
    is one of them. If you don't like it, just sit in your living room and
    play to a reflection where you're nice and safe. No stopping it so
    better learn to live with it.
                                       mike
    
    

    -1
    
    I highly disgaree, and think your Motorcycle/sports=injury analogy is
    naff!  One does NOT become an entertainer with the understanding that
    it will be allowed for their audience to threaten their life by
    throwing things at them ... puhleeeze!
    
    Case in point -- Baseball players throwing firecrackers at audience...
    now, if the AUDIENCE in that scenario didn't make a big stink about
    unbecoming conduct...

    agreed...entertainers are there to entertain...they do not have big
    targets on them for the audience to hurl things at them.The twat who
    threw it deserves everything he gets!
    
    
    						ian

    
    
    I understand what you're saying. The point I'm making is that if
    anyone in the Rock business goes out on stage so innocent in their
    thinking that they don't expect incidents like this to happen, they
    should. There will always be idiots that continue to throw things
    at performers, like I said originally. There are better ways of
    dealing with this kind of thing without violence. I like what Bon
    Scott said "If you want to be a star of stage and screen, look out
    its rough and mean!" 8^).
    
                                 mike
    

>    dealing with this kind of thing without violence. I like what Bon
>    Scott said "If you want to be a star of stage and screen, look out
>    its rough and mean!" 8^).
    

	I think Bon was talking about life on the road, DRUGS, fame, ect.


	/Cap'n Quad    

    Thanks for the clarification Mike.  I guess my opinion remains ... 
    Ok, if you play in a rock band, you can expect some drunken fool
    to throw something at you SOMETIME ...  I still say, once they 
    action is started from a "fan", said fan should expect RETAILIATION
    of some sort, period.

    In the words of Lemmy from Motorhead at Castle Donnington when hit on
    the head by a bottle:
    
    "Whoever threw that **** at me,come round the back and i`ll kick your
    ******* teeth in". 
    
    Which quite frankly,is fair enough.
    

    If I was on stage and some fanny threw something at me I'd club 'em!
    
    
    re-1
    
    have you noticed how much sense Lemmy talks?
    \
    
    
    						ian

    Lemmy Calls em How he see's em....   "One_Way"!!!
    
    If I was this kid..And I did it or not..I would sue...
    Yeah..Call me"Slime_Ball",if ya want.Lucky fer the Group that this kid
    has(So_Far)Decided not to take Legal_Action.I was there,but Too_Far
    Back to see who was Doing Who_And_What.
    
    I know other bands have been Sued by Fans Hit by
    Drum_Sticks/Powder_Burns and such..And,I Be_Lieve Won some
    Compensation.
    
       Crazy_This_Would_Be_An_Interesting_Case_Al

    Ian would know how much stuff Lemmy talks...
    
    Put a Les Paul on him and he looks exactly like the guitar player for
    Motorhead!!!
    
    gh

    Greg that fightin' talk where I stay........
    
    
    
    but you're lucky I moved!
    
    
    			thanks dude,I likw you too! 8)
    
    					wurzel..eh Ian

I confused...  This band is into the mosh scene, no?!  They'd dive into
into a pack without thinking twice, no ?!  WTF did they expect ?!?!

I'm not saying it's right, but they're playing in the fire so they'd have
to expect some heat. In Sex Type Thing they sing about hurting someone, 
they shouldn't talk tough if they aren't prepared to take it.

Seems logical to be prepared for it to happen, it's not like it never does.

Droid

    
    
     I was thinking of starting a new note because of this discussion.
    I feel that being a performer ESPECIALLY a Metal musician knows
    what a HM crowd is capable of. I see anyone that plays in a rock
    band whether he steps out in front of 50 or 50,000 is in a very
    dangerous and explosive situation. I think everyone in this con-
    ference has a story to tell of what they have seen or experienced
    as a performer or spectator.
    
     I would like to know if you think that a performer (especially
    metal) assumes a certain risk and should accept it as part of the
    business. Is it part of the job? How much should a performer endure
    before you say "I quit" it is too dangerous? Or "I'm tired of being
    hurt". After all, this is HEAVY METAL where no quarter is given and
    none accepted. (I heard that quote on Mtv). 
    
     Also what are crowd control methods you have seen work at rock shows?
    Some bands are good at stopping this when it happens. Others turn to
    violence because maybe they can't deal with it any other way. What
    do you think?
    
                      mike
    

>     I was thinking of starting a new note because of this discussion.
    
    I thought we already had a note like that somewhere?  This isn't the
    first time this discussion has come up.
    
> After all, this is HEAVY METAL where no quarter is given and
>    none accepted. (I heard that quote on Mtv). 
  
    I read that a woman had a baby that looked just like a bat in Weekly
    World News.
    
    I still think that someone stupid enough to throw stuff at a performer
    that they paid money to see shouldn't be allowed to remain in the show. 
    The problem is that most people that do that are kind of covert about
    it.  
    
    How much stuff did you get hit with when you were playing, Mike?
    
    gh

    That's Wierd,Greg...I read in the"National_Nocturnal_Mammal"that a
    bat gave birth to a Woman that looked just like Bellafonti_Chick.
    
    
      Crazy_Or_That_Older_Woman_Who_Used_To_Sing_On_SOLID_GOLD_And_
       Now_Flys_by_Nite_Doing_Physic_Dial_In_Shows_Al.
    

    
    Well I've finally got hold of their album and it totaly blows me away,
    'Sex Type Thing' and 'Plush' were the two great tracks I already knew
    of and tracks like 'Cracker Man' and 'Dead and Bloated' are the biz.
    
    Dean

          set the VCR's this Saturday night, 11/20.  STP is going
     to be the musical guest on Saturday Night Live.  Nicole Kidman
     is the host.
    
    
                           BJ.... I'm always HV but too lazy to write
                                  in.  w/c keeps me working by breaking
                                  all of his machines......  REN!!!!
    
    

    	The singer for STP, has been arrested and chargedd, with a bunch
    of drug offenses. Coke, Herion & Hash, charges were something like,
    under the influence, possesion of, driving while under the influence,
    and some others. Apparently, he was caught in his car, and was trying
    to break the glass pipe, used to smoke crack-cocaine. They later
    found hash and/or herion. They said he could face up to 4yrs in
    prison, but will probably do a commercial and go scott free...
    
    Bob

    
    
    
    
     I hope so..........
    
                                           Dogg

    re: STP singer
     
    Is his name Waylon or something like that?  I heard the last half of
    this story on the radio, but they were referring to the person as
    Waylon.  All I could think of was Waylon Jennings, but the DJ 
    called him a "rocker", so I was a little confused why Waylon Jennings
    would be called that, and why he'd have Tar Heroin and Crack in his
    car!

    
    	Lane something.  Or Layne something.
    
    

    Yeah that's what I thought... Layne Staley.
    
    So why'd the call him Waylon?  Maybe I heard wrong.... or maybe
    Waylon Jennings is up to that sort of stuff too!  
    

	Weiland not Waylon
	/CQ

    a crappy singer by any other name still sux!

	I was gonna be a real wise ass but that would be against my nature%^)  My only problem
	with comments like that is, I wonder how many of us are better and should be in that 
	persons place, or is that we just haven't been discovered yet!!!!

I was gonna be a real wise ass but that would be against my nature%^)  My only
problem with comments like that is, I wonder how many of us are better and 
should be in that persons place, or is that we just haven't been discovered yet!!!!

    STP rulz.
    
    Great live. 
    
    Pearl Jam sux.
    
    Dave

    I heard the new disc premiered last night.  It's called "Song's From
    the Vatican Gift Shop", or something to that effect.  I'm not going to
    give a review, cause I was only listening with one ear, while the other
    one was being talked off by the MRS. about home decorating (8P).  What
    I did hear sounded pretty good though.
    
    Paully
    

    
    It is called (I believe) Tiny Music - Songs from the Vatican Gift Shop
    or something close to that. I have heard the first cut off it on the
    radio a week or two ago and I thought it STUNK! Didn't even sound like
    them AT ALL IMHO! Needless to say, I certainly won't buy this till I
    have heard it in its entirety!
    
    

    
    
    The new song I heard from them sucked.. they should be ashamed of
    themselves for putting out utter shite like this.. 
    
    Whit-

    
    
    	A couple of the guys were on WAAF last night with Rocko 
    	(?).  If they songs they were playing between the talking
    	was STP, I agree.  Garbage.  Nothing like their other stuff.
    	
    	

    
    I've heard two tunes from the new disk. One is the single that doesn't
    sound all that good. The other is called Adhesive. It sucks too.
    This band really went down hill. 
    Maybe Wieland should get back on the 'juice' to write better music,
    much like Keith Richards.......IMO only 'course.
    
    Dave

 >>Maybe Wieland should get back on the 'juice' to write better music,
 >>   much like Keith Richards.......IMO only 'course.
	
	Remember I said this about RHCP...Clapton is another one, once they
	kick, they write this Sunday morning read the paper with coffee and
	the cat on your lap music...

	/Cap'n Quad

       Myself, I am very pleased that "Tiny Music" sounds alot different. 
    Change is what keeps a band alive.  Stone Temple Pilots have never
    been the most original band around, and the new album is no exception.
    Although, I believe it holds as many good songs as either one of the
    others. 

    
    Re: .102
    
    	Eh Dave,
    
    		Maybe these tunes would sound better if you pulled your head
    all the way out of you A$$!!!  I've heard the majority of the album on
    that radio broadcast that was on about a week ago...and I like the new
    s**t. Sure S.T.P. may sound like Pearl Jam and Silverchair may sound
    like SoundGarden and Alice in Chains sounds like...like...like...well
    who am I kidding they don't sound like anyone else cause they're GREAT!
    
    	But I guess everyone is entitled to their own ONION!
    
    	H.A.G.O.,
    
    		 J

    
    Jason,
    
    I do not want to get into a battle wits with an unarmed individual,
    however, I too listened to the radio broadcast the other night and I
    determined that the new album is utter crap!!
    Core is by far the better album. I presume you never heard it.
    Purple was differant. Good, but differant. I presume you never heard
    it.
    
    I seen STP when they were here a few years back on their Core tour. Did
    you get to see them??
    
    So it seems to me that you know little of this band's music history.
    Heck, do you know that before their record deal a few years ago, they
    were known as 'Shirley Temple's P***y'? Didn't think so......
    
    Rebuttal???
    
    Dave

    NICE come back!!
    
    Paully 8)

    
    
    
    The first album was killer, then they went down hill and finally
    produced the sh*t you are now hearing on the new album! 
    
    
    Whit-

    I've never liked Stone Temple Pilots.  
    
    Just thought I'd share.

    
    	They're the Pearl Jam that Pearl Jam wishes they were.
    

    I used to hate Pearl Jam too.  I can't bring myself to listen to Ten. 
    But I really like Vitalogy and that other one with the sheep lookin'
    thing on the cover.

    
    	"vs"
    

Pril, I'm just the opposite.  Each album they've put out has interested me less
than the previous...  To each their own I guess.

    Thanks, Shawn.  
    
    I don't know.  It seems like their latest stuff has a much wider
    range of musical talent.  You hear a lot of format changes and
    different styles on their newer stuff.  Ten was just way too 
    run-o-the-mill for my tastes.  EVERYBODY and their mama was into 
    Pearl Jam back then.  I guess that was my trigger not to dig 'em.  
    Now I do, go figure...
    
    But, wait a sec, this is the STP topic and STP sux so ba-bye!

    
    I saw them right before they got big around here, back on the Core tour
    with Rollins as the main act! Hank stomped through the crowd about 8
    ft. from me! He's big for his size, but he isn't that tall, I'd say
    around 5' 8". Well, STP was ok, they weren't really loud and me and my
    buddy were checking out the chicks so I didn't pay a whole lot of
    attention to them. They were ok, as I said. Megaphone on Rubberman,
    overall ok.....Hank was EXCELLENT! Excellent drummer and guitarist and
    Andy on the Ten Ton Bass was still with him then too! Nice ride home
    that night, had to drop someone off in maynard then head back to
    methuen! STP's second album got a LOT more airing than the previous,
    and I like most of the songs on it, most were on the radio! Their
    latest does nothing for me, doesn't even sound like them now...and I
    have hardly heard anything on it! But from what I gather, it ain't that
    great....so I won't get it!
    
    

    
    	Wow, has anyone seen the new video for "Big Bang Baby" ?
    
    Sucks Big Time ! Those puke green polyester pants have gotta go...
    And no offence to those who "bat for the other team" but is he (Lead
    Singer) starting to look fruity or what?
    
    	Davey was sayin' the "BBB" tune sounds like that one from
    "Elastica" called "Connection".  I'd have to say it also sounds like
    "Jumpin' Jack Flash" from the Stones.
    
    	H.A.G.O.,
    
    		 J

    I like the new STP song -- reminds me of old Cheap Trick ala
    IN COLOR.

>> I like the new STP song -- reminds me of old Cheap Trick ala
>>  IN COLOR.

	Which is one great reason not to like it IMHFO

	/Cap'n Quad

    
    	Hey hey ... no slagging Cheap Trick!!
    

    
    That video reminds me more of the Stones 'She's so Cold' more than the
    Cheap Trick one. But that's only me....
    
    Cheap Trick was a great band until they did that Elvis tune... yuck!!
    
    Dave 

    
    the new song isn't that bad. it's "ok"
    
    
    					Ian

    
    	I thought they did a good job with "Don't Be Cruel".
    

    
     For all those slagging the new STP you really owe it to yourselves
    to give this cd a few listens. You might find that the band has
    grown alot rather than gone downhill. Course, I keep forgetting that
    this is the HM notesfile and unless there is stomp-through-your-heart 
    bass, blistering guitars and gone-nuts drumming no other music seems to
    matter. And unless a band keeps copying their own style over and over
    and over again they just begin to suck. 
    
     I like HM just as much as the next guy but really - you all owe
    it to yourseleves to expand a little. IMHO the new cd contains some of
    the best music STP has put out. This is a nice alternative to their
    other music...definitely a complete change and style...and great! 
    
     This is no slam to anyones particullar musical taste but before
    slagging give a good listen (that goes for any cd).
    
     As for the video - I've never and never will base a band on video.
    Most video's are utter crap. You can't watch music - you can only
    listen to it.
    
    - schroed's

    
    
    What made me like STP was their debut album.  Heavy, raw, in your face
    attitude.. then they mellowed, started doing everything "unplugged",
    etc..
    
    I think their new album sounds like Enuff'z'Nuff!! Mainly the chorus
    in each song..
    
    Whit- 

    	I haven't heard the whole CD, but I don't mind it at all...
    Hell, I may even pick up an Enuff 'Z' Nuff CD...(Older stuff when
    Vince Neil's drummer, Vikki Fox, was still with the band)...
    
    	Bobby T

    Re: .124 (Schroed)
    
    	Well put chum!
    
    		Expand & Explore!!
    
    				Bravo!!! 

    
    
    I just hear the resemblance between the two bands in a couple of the
    new STP songs.. Mainly due to the vocal melodies..
    
    Whit-

  re:951.124 BRAT::SCHROEDER

  >>And unless a band keeps copying their own style over and over
  >>and over again they just begin to suck. 
    
  I agree.

  Just like all the crap about AiC's Jar of Flies...

  Bob

    
    	I heard "Big Bang Boom" last night, and actually liked it.  Is
    	the whole album like this?
    

    
    'Big Bang Boom' sounds more like 'Jumpimg Jack Flash' to me.

    Yes Davey....but you like ABBA!
    
    Paully
    

    re 130 -
    
     As far as the "mix" used - yes, the whole album is mixed the same 
    way. As far as the music, there's alot of variety. There are a couple 
    of heavier songs (the like of BBB) but for the most part this album
    is fairly laid back. Lots of texture used in the music. Kind of retro.
    
    To me the album is more of a "grab a beer, sit back and relax" summer-type 
    music rather than "jack daniels, pedal-to-the-metal, grit-your-teeth, let's
    rip someone's face off tonight" music.
    
    Just my opinion -
    
    Schroed's

    
    	Well, after 1 listen I think I like it.  They definitely "turned
    	it down a notch" on this album.  Very different from the debut,
    	which is why it might take a few listens to make a decision.
    

    What ? Nobody's mentioned anything about their singer (what's his
    name ?) being in the hospital for drug related reasons ?  
    They were saying on WAAF that he's under doctors care and cannot
    sing or perform for a while.  So I guess the 3 free shows they
    were going to do are cancelled or something.  Aren't they supposed
    to open up for KISS ?  
    
    Hmm..this guy, Stayley from ANC, Kurt Cobain, all Seattle all
    junkies.  If I were ever in a band that were to get national
    attention and one of the guys goes and screws himself up like
    this to prevent them from doing shows and jeopardizing everything
    I'd be pretty upset.  What is it with musicians doin so many 
    drugs and screwin themselves up so much ?  
    
    Shane, who wonders who the next heroin addict will be 

    
    
    I heard this on tv this morning as I was getting ready for work.I'm not
    suprised.
    
    
    					Ian

    STP will ONLY the play 1st opening KIZZ show, period.

    
    if the singer isn't dead by then!
    
    					Ian

    the report tonite is that Weilland is going into a 1 year long drug
    rehab.
    
    Paully

    
    What a knob Weilland is! Just imagine all the good things that would've
    happened for him and the band if he didn't do smack.
    The last time I heard he was going into re-hab was just before the
    group called Mad Season got together. The STP boys were gonna turf him
    outta the band if he didn't stop using.
    The only other thing that could rival this as the most bone-headed move
    of all time is when Stayle went into re-hab and Alice in Chains missed
    out on Woodstock '94. So did the fans for that matter...
    
    Dave

My understanding of smack - not first hand mind you is this:  It helps you feel
comfortable with yourself.  I imagine that there are plenty of introvert/shy/etc
types who end up in music.  Dealing with touring and groupies and crowds must be
quite a challenge.  Smack seems to take the edge off of everything and make you
feel comfortable with yourself.

I think I read this in Hammer of the Gods.  Hardly a fact filled piece of work
but it tried to explain why people who seemed so successful to us have so much
trouble and resort to smack to deal with life.

Kurt Cobain springs to mind.  He seems like the typical smack user to me. 
Insecure/introverted then becomes successful/popular beyond all comprehension.

Tim

    So does beer!
    

    Oh yeah, I can see how that would be hard to deal with.......Money,
    girls, more money, more girls....Tough life!
    
    Not!!
    

    
    Hammer Of The Gods - Cool book dude!
    

    
    
    Soundgarden are opening for the second part of the KISS tour.. 
    
    Also heard that if STP can't do the bill, it may be AiC.
    
    Whit-

    I heard a rumour that they may still open with the lead singer!
    
	As If!

    
    
    If my lead singer blew a chance like that for the band, I'd kick
    his arse..
    
    
    
    Whit-

    	Just heard on the rAdiO that good ol' Weinerhead has been forced by
    a judge to go to a recovery center (inhouse) for 4 to 6 months. Absolutely 
    no touring what-so-ever untill he's got his sh!t together! WAY TO
    FREAKIN' GO...
    
    J

    What a jerk!

    Lets Just Hope That This Time He Learns..
    
    
    
      Crazy_Clean_Up_Yer_Act_Jack_Al

    Can't blame the guy tho.  I'd be getting all f&*ked up too.
    -ss
                                                           

    
    If I had a truck load of cash on hand, I would likely drink myself to
    death. Herion and cocaine are far too scary for me.
    

    But You Have to Learn to Get_A_Grip!Other Wise it's All fer Nothin!
    
    
      Crazy_No_More_Preachin_Al

   April 30,1996
   SPEAKING OF PARTYING (THE DOWNSIDE)� STONE TEMPLE
   PILOTS frontman SCOTT WEILAND was yesterday ordered by a judge to
   spend between four and six months as a resident at a drug treatment center.
   The order by the Pasadena, California, Superior Court throws the American
   rock group's summer tour schedule into chaos. Dates with reformed rockers
   KISS starting in June are now likely to be canceled. Stone Temple Pilots
   manager STEVE STEWART confirms, "The band will not tour until Scott is
   healthy." Weiland, 28, was arrested last year for possession of cocaine and
   heroin. At a subsequent court appearance he was told the charges would be
   dropped if he completed a treatment course to kick his habit. However, last
   week it was discovered Weiland had used drugs again and he was yesterday
   brought back before the court where he was ordered to be placed under
   around-the-clock supervision during his rehabilitation. The charges will 
   still be dropped if the new rehabilitation attempt is completed. Atlantic 
   Records have already canceled Stone Temple Pilots concerts in Chicago, New 
   York and Los Angeles when Weiland booked himself into a center for treatment
   of drug abuse last week. After the troubles of last year Stone Temple Pilots
   had managed to start a successful comeback- their new album TINY MUSIC,
   SONGS FROM THE VATICAN GIFT SHOP, reached number four in the
   charts. But, without touring support for the album, that comeback could be
   put in serious jeopardy. Just say no, dude. You are, like, totally blowing 
   it. Best wishes in rehab, though. Hope it works out for ya.

     ... that he is able to pull it together. I don't think of any of the
    members of this band as particularly outstanding musicians, but I
    really like their sound and their song writing. STP wouldn't be STP
    without Scott's vocals. I took a solo vacation to Florida a couple of
    years ago and listened to CORE about a zillion times. I think when I
    got home I had every lyric and note memorized. Now I can't
    listen to any tune from that album without thinking about cruising down
    A1A and eating seafood on the beach. Roamin' roamin' ....
    
    
    Bugs

    
    Core is their best work... so far...
    Everytime I hear Crackerman, I relive the only concert they played here
    in Ottawa.... or was it because of the cute girl next to me.....
    

    	What the hell is Scott thinkin now?  Has he just diluted his mind
    with some many chemicals that he thinks this is OK?  Society has rules
    man...live with it!
    
    	Maybe he's goin out to audition for the vacant spot with VH?!?!??
    
    
    		J

The was a rockumentary on STP this weekend.  They seem to have forgotten to
mention Scott's "problem".

    Ah let him be, to each their own.
    -ss

    
    If I was cheated out of one of the biggest tours to ever happen, I
    would have kicked his worthless butt outta that band. 
    How much money are they losing because of him??
    
    Dave
    

              
   A warrant has been issued for the arrest of STONE TEMPLE PILOTS
   frontman SCOTT WEILAND amid claims that he walked out of drug
   rehabilitation center without permission. Weiland, 28, was ordered to spend
   four to six months at a Pasadena, California, clinic after being arrested 
   last year for heroin and cocaine possession. Weiland began serving his 
   sentence in April and, as a consequence, the rock band canceled its summer 
   tour including hotly anticipated dates with KISS. Rumors have been swirling
   that the band is (rightfully) extremely annoyed with Weiland and looking to
   replace the wayward singer, but the group's manager, STEVE STEWART, hotly 
   denies these rumors. He said, "The Stone Temple Pilots won't work without any
   members of the band. And no one's looking to replace Scott." Ok, so they will
   tour when he gets out of jail or what?

    Apparently Scott has gone back to the rehab clinic.  They have not
    issued a statement as to what he was doing, not that I've heard, but
    this should be an interesting excuse!  Actually I think Jay was right. 
    He probably went out to try and get the VH singing job, but amid
    reports confirming DLR is back with them (temporarily?!?) he decided to
    go back to the clinic.  Course maybe he just left to get some "female"
    attention....or a quick fix!
    
    Paully 8)
    

    re -1
    >>>>"female" attention....or a quick fix!
    
    
    One and the same as far as I'm concerned.
    -ss

    Actually Paully...It was said he went to see his wife!  

    
    
    Heard on 'AAF this a.m. that STP has gone out and got themselves
    a new lead singer.
    	Anyone else hear this?
     

    
    Gee...it isn't Sammy Hagar is it?  :^)
    
    /jen
    

Or Dio?

    or Bruce Dickenson

    Another one bites the dust.
    
    	STP has broken up on the weekend.  The played their last concert i
    Toronto.  
    
    With all these bands out there with out lead singers...I wouldn't be
    surprised to see stuuf like Cornel with STP, or Edwin with Soundgarden.
    
    	J