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927.1 | | DONNER::MARTINN | I'll hate you better! | Fri Feb 12 1993 14:55 | 2 |
| not impressed.
Rat
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927.2 | | DPE::STARR | Rage Against The Machine | Fri Feb 12 1993 15:02 | 6 |
| Ths single is called "Pride and Joy". I've only heard part of it, twice. It
sounded ok to me - reminded me a LOT of the 'Presence' album, which was
a pretty cool, rockin' Zep album. I'll reserve final judgement until I hear
the whole thing, and the rest of the album....
alan
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927.3 | | SALEM::DIFRUSCIA | | Mon Feb 15 1993 07:06 | 4 |
| I've heard it about three times and I like it.
Tony
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927.4 | | WMOIS::MAZURKA | Son_of_the_Swagger | Mon Feb 15 1993 07:32 | 5 |
| To me It sounds like Some_Thing from Led_Zep III.
Too bad Bonham isn't Drummin.
Crazy_Page_Still_Got_It_Al
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927.5 | good stuff | POWDML::BUCKLEY | sometimes salvation | Mon Feb 15 1993 08:38 | 3 |
| Well, I finally heard this tune several times this past weekend, and
I think it ROCKS! Great stuff!! I like it MUCH better than old LZ.
It really grooved, and a great production to boot.
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927.6 | | COMPLX::FERRIS | Mr. Bad Example | Mon Feb 15 1993 09:18 | 7 |
|
I heard it for the first time this weekend. I thought it sounded
great. I really want to hear more.
mike
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927.7 | | LUDWIG::MVALERA | | Mon Feb 15 1993 11:49 | 5 |
| I think the song cranks as well but I didn't catch the title for
the album. Anyone know?
Mike
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927.8 | | SALEM::SCALZO | It's almost here!! | Tue Feb 16 1993 09:27 | 11 |
| Coverdale sounds like "Robert Plant meets Axle Rose"
I really like the tune! then again it's got that Zep sound. The 1st
time I heard it I thought what's this? another unreleased tune that's
gona show up on the new box set...As the song went on I realized it
wasn't Plant.
The title of the album is just "Coverdale/Page". I believe it comes out
next week.
Jeff
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927.9 | | GOES11::G_HOUSE | It's NOT a TOOMAH! | Fri Feb 19 1993 16:43 | 9 |
| I heard the new song on the radio, sounded more Zeppelinish then the
last album or two that Zep put out. Coverdale sounds a lot more like
Robert Plant in the Zep days then Plant does now and Page is back to
his old guitar sound again.
I donno, I couldn't really get into it. Like listening to Kingdom Come
or something, just didn't seem right.
gh
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927.10 | | DEC25::COOP | | Sun Feb 21 1993 14:10 | 1 |
| yuck! Too much like modern day Zep for me!
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927.11 | | BUSY::SLABOUNTY | The age of aquarius | Mon Feb 22 1993 09:54 | 7 |
|
Modern Zep, old Zep ... what's the difference?
Either way, they're overrated.
GTI
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927.12 | | KURMA::IGOLDIE | Vote with a bullet | Mon Feb 22 1993 10:18 | 6 |
| the mystisicm(sp)and attraction of Led Zep is lost on me too but the
again,I like Wolfsbane so must be a tasteless bum! 8)
staynz
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927.15 | Faceoff at Boston Garden | ADROID::foster | Careful with that stick Eugene | Mon Feb 22 1993 12:44 | 9 |
| That Pride and Joy toon makes me want to turn on a Bruins game 8^).
For those unfamiliar, some of the guitar is similar to the old Bruins'
theme song.
Droid
PS - And who mentioned MANNIX ?! When I was younger I had my Mom shopping
all over the store for "The" Mannix sport coat! (8^}
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927.16 | | COMET::MARTINN | I'll hate you better! | Mon Feb 22 1993 14:39 | 3 |
| Ok, before I was *just* 'not impressed'...but *now* I'm sick of the
song!!
Rat
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927.17 | Led Zep? | DNEAST::ALBERT_JEFF | | Tue Feb 23 1993 10:10 | 4 |
| I saw the video for 'Pride and joy' this morning. I'm not a big video
buff, but to see Jimmy Page with that double neck Gibson just brought
back some great memories! I was also very impresed with Coverdale's
voice.
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927.18 | I've been disappointed before | BOVES::FENNELL | What you got buried in your backyard? | Tue Feb 23 1993 11:40 | 8 |
|
I guess I could agree, but some of Page's moves are pretty stale now. He's
been doing the same shuffles and poses for 20+ years. I finally heard the
song from beginnig to end. Coverdale does look like Plant doesn't he?
I like the tune. Who are the other two in the band?
Tim
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927.19 | I can't say enough bad things about this!! | COMET::MARTINN | I'll hate you better! | Tue Feb 23 1993 12:10 | 6 |
| I HATE THIS SONG!!! I saw the vid for the first time last night...
I want to puke, heave, gag, ...basically filled with the urge
defecate!!! Could Coverdale tried any harder to look and sound like
Plant?!? It woulda been nice if they could of actually tried to be
half a@@ original!!!
Rat
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927.20 | ;') | MR4DEC::JWHITMAN | | Tue Feb 23 1993 12:28 | 4 |
|
Com'on Rat.. how do you REALLY feel?
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927.21 | :P | COMET::MARTINN | I'll hate you better! | Tue Feb 23 1993 12:29 | 1 |
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927.22 | :'P :'p | METALX::SWANSON | PeopleThinkI'mCrazyButI'mInDemand | Tue Feb 23 1993 12:44 | 4 |
| Don't stick out your tongue unless you plan to use it Rat! :')
|KS|
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927.23 | ;^) | GOES11::G_HOUSE | It's NOT a TOOMAH! | Tue Feb 23 1993 15:24 | 3 |
| Ah yes, that's our Ken, ever the letch.
gh
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927.24 | | DNEAST::ALBERT_JEFF | | Wed Feb 24 1993 08:10 | 4 |
| I think that it's great to see Page do something worth hearing. I'm
tired of hearing that Plant was the heart and soul of Zep. I really
wasn't impressed with Page's 'Outrider' album. I think it's good to
see that he can rock without Led Zep.
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927.25 | | BUSY::ESCOBAR | So I Can See Where I'm Goin' Baby | Fri Mar 12 1993 10:11 | 4 |
|
This tune is really growin' on me. Can't wait for the album.
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927.26 | | DABEAN::REAUME | Resonance Control!!! | Fri Mar 12 1993 10:46 | 7 |
|
...maybe Page is back from being brain-dead afterall!!!!
...I can't wait to hear some more of this release...
-*B*-
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927.27 | Allosaurus will LOVE IT! | GOES11::G_HOUSE | It's NOT a TOOMAH! | Fri Mar 12 1993 11:13 | 14 |
| I saw part of the vid for this last night. It's ok, but I think
they're a little overly busy with all the scene cuts. Musta been
directed by the same person that did the couple of few Extreme videos.
Yathink that Coverdale could maybe do a little more to look like Robert
Plant or what? Sheesh, not only does he cop his style and sound
singing, but he even fixes his hair like Plant (in the Zep years).
Kind of disgusting, in a way.
It's a good song, but I've gotten tired of the Zep style. Even though
it's well done, the style just seems kinda tired to me. I'm sure it'll
do well with all the dinos though.
gh
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927.28 | | BOVES::FENNELL | What you got buried in your backyard? | Fri Mar 12 1993 11:17 | 5 |
| I find that this song gets played too much for my taste. I wish they'd
pull a second song instead of beating this one into the ground...
Tim
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927.29 | | BINKLY::DEMARSE | Just say NO to hummus! | Fri Mar 12 1993 11:18 | 8 |
| ->> Yathink that Coverdale could maybe do a little more to look like Robert
->> Plant or what? Sheesh, not only does he cop his style and sound
->> singing, but he even fixes his hair like Plant (in the Zep years).
I thought the same exact thing when I saw the video last night...when I
first turned it on I thought it WAS Robert Plant.....
:), danielle
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927.30 | | GOES11::G_HOUSE | It's NOT a TOOMAH! | Fri Mar 12 1993 11:21 | 9 |
| It's the way of radio/MTV, Tim. Seems like almost everything they
play, they burn it into the ground. They're so stupid about it that
they KEEP playing it after everyone in their audience HATES the stupid
thing, usually until the start getting requests that they *not* play
it! (Yes, I've done that...call 'em up and say "Like, y'know that song
by xxxxxx? The one that you play about every half hour? Could you
please NEVER play that again?")
gh
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927.31 | I hear ya | BOVES::FENNELL | What you got buried in your backyard? | Fri Mar 12 1993 11:44 | 4 |
| It stinks because I really like Jimmy Page and I'm starting to get
annoyed...
Tim
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927.32 | | GOES11::G_HOUSE | It's NOT a TOOMAH! | Fri Mar 12 1993 11:50 | 4 |
| I think all the fast cuts were probably so nobody would notice the
drool escaping Jimmy's mouth. I didn't see a hint of it.
gh
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927.33 | As Homer J. would say: | BOVES::FENNELL | What you got buried in your backyard? | Fri Mar 12 1993 11:51 | 2 |
|
DooHH!
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927.34 | I HATE THIS SONG!!! | COMET::MARTINN | I'll hate you better! | Fri Mar 12 1993 11:58 | 6 |
| >Yathink that Coverdale could maybe do a little more to look like Robert
>Plant or what? Sheesh, not only does he cop his style and sound
>singing, but he even fixes his hair like Plant (in the Zep years).
Isn't that exactly what I said a couple weeks ago?!?
Rat
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927.35 | | SALEM::SCALZO | It's almost here!! | Mon Mar 15 1993 14:23 | 4 |
|
Heard another tune the other day. Another good one. Gotta get this CD..
Jeff
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927.36 | | BUSY::ESCOBAR | So I Can See Where I'm Goin' Baby | Mon Mar 15 1993 15:16 | 5 |
|
Same here. I think it was calle Prayer For The Dying. Wicked heavy
parts. Way cool.
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927.37 | | BUSY::ESCOBAR | So I Can See Where I'm Goin' Baby | Tue Mar 16 1993 09:07 | 26 |
|
Great album. Listened to it a couple times last night. Page has
actually put out some great guitar work. (Outrider, blech)
My favorite tune is "Feeling Hot" it's heavy and fast. Lyrics are
a bit childish persay but thats Coverdale for ya. The (mandatory)
ballad is really good too. ("Take Me For A While")
Other notable tunes:
Shake My Tree
Whisper A Prayer For The Dying
Pride And Joy
Don't Leave Me This Way
Easy Does It
The album has Danny Carmassi (Heart) on the drums. Former Bad English
bassist. And a couple'a keyboardists and background singers. Page
does most of the guitar work with Coverdale adding a bunch of acoustic
stuff.
The cover is a street sign. A merger sign to be exact.
Buy it.
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927.38 | They should allow copyrights on Song Titles ;-) | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Here all life abounds | Tue Mar 16 1993 14:44 | 4 |
| > Pride and Joy
Is this a Stevie Ray Vaughan cover, or just an original with the
same name.
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927.39 | | BUSY::ESCOBAR | So I Can See Where I'm Goin' Baby | Tue Mar 16 1993 15:22 | 4 |
|
Original.
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927.40 | | KURMA::IGOLDIE | Vote with a bullet | Tue Mar 16 1993 18:00 | 6 |
| I heard a song I can remember the title but I remember thinking
Coverdale is a Robert Plant clone with with a 10th of the talent
chromozones!!
staynz
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927.41 | It all sounds copycat!!! | COMET::MARTINN | I'll hate you better! | Tue Mar 16 1993 18:59 | 4 |
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>>>>>> Original.
What part?!? Certainly not the vocals!!!
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927.42 | | BOVES::FENNELL | What you got buried in your backyard? | Wed Mar 17 1993 09:03 | 6 |
| The Boston Globe had nothing good to say about this band other than Jimmy
Page is in it. They said that C/P sounds like Led Zep with a bad singer,
or Whitesnake with a good guitarist.
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927.43 | | BUSY::ESCOBAR | So I Can See Where I'm Goin' Baby | Wed Mar 17 1993 09:25 | 11 |
|
Well to me, I don't think Coverdale sounds that much like Plant. Sure
he's got the same type of voice. CAN HE HELP IT IF THAT'S WHAT HE'S
BORN WITH! Jesus, who gives a flyin' frag if he sounds like Plant.
Now Jimmy Page can't work with any other singer, cuz they're instantly
classified Zep Clones?
It makes no difference, when I listen to the album I don't think Led
Zep, I think Coverdale/Page. Doing what both of them do best.
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927.44 | | POWDML::BUCKLEY | Whoway, da Wabbit kicked da bucket! | Wed Mar 17 1993 09:36 | 1 |
| If Jimi worked with Ronnie Dio, would they call him a Plant clone??
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927.45 | | BOVES::FENNELL | What you got buried in your backyard? | Wed Mar 17 1993 09:47 | 2 |
| Coverdale was picked by Page to be a Plant clone just to annoy Robert.
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927.46 | | NEEPS::IRVINE | Baby... what's your fantasy? | Wed Mar 17 1993 09:54 | 9 |
| �If Jimi worked with Ronnie Dio, would they call him a Plant clone??
Naw,
They'd call him an ugly little wassock!
Bonzo (By 'eck!)
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927.47 | | BUSY::ESCOBAR | So I Can See Where I'm Goin' Baby | Wed Mar 17 1993 09:55 | 10 |
|
So who cares? What's the big deal. Plant has got his own career. C/P
aren't trying to be the next Led Zeppelin, they're trying to be a
rockin' band.
So if Plant were to form a band with a guitarist who played even a tiny
bit like Page, would they be a zeppelin clone?
and if so, who cares. It's all music.
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927.48 | | BUSSTP::DREES | Three good buddies were... | Wed Mar 17 1993 10:28 | 11 |
|
re. last
well said that man......
if it sounds good, who gives a monkey's toss whos doin' it!
If they can reproduce it live, which we all know they'll be able to do,
thats good enough for me.
Del.
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927.49 | | GOES11::G_HOUSE | It's NOT a TOOMAH! | Wed Mar 17 1993 11:25 | 54 |
| I think it's pretty clear that the Zep style was Jimmy Page's musical
style. It's difficult for him to divorce himself from that because
that's what he writes. Seems clear from this new album that that's
what he does best. His previous post-Zep efforts at sounding different
just didn't work for me.
Now as far as the selection of Coverdale, well... It'd be pretty easy
for him to not *look* like Robert Plant in the Zep days, and I know he
can sing in a way that doesn't sound that much like him. I never
thought he sounded that much like Plant on the Whitesnake stuff, but he
definitely does on this.
re: Chris
> Well to me, I don't think Coverdale sounds that much like Plant. Sure
> he's got the same type of voice. CAN HE HELP IT IF THAT'S WHAT HE'S
> BORN WITH!
I believe that a lot of someone's vocal style is cultivated, not what
they're born with. As I said before, I didn't think he sounded like
Plant when he was with Whitesnake, why is he suddenly sounding *just*
like him now?
> Now Jimmy Page can't work with any other singer, cuz they're instantly
> classified Zep Clones?
Paul Rogers never sounded like Plant when he worked with Page...
> It makes no difference, when I listen to the album I don't think Led
> Zep, I think Coverdale/Page. Doing what both of them do best.
Face it, they're Zep II. If you like Zep, you'll like C/P. But I'm
not trying to say that in a negative way. Zep was Page's big thing,
and obviously the style of stuff he does best. Since he's just doing
his thing, it's hard for me to think of this as a rip-off (like
Kingdom Come or such).
> So who cares? What's the big deal. Plant has got his own career. C/P
> aren't trying to be the next Led Zeppelin, they're trying to be a
> rockin' band.
No dude, not the NEXT Zep...the *current* Zep. It's Page's thing and
it's certainly fair for him to be able to do stuff in the style that
he's done in the past.
> So if Plant were to form a band with a guitarist who played even a tiny
> bit like Page, would they be a zeppelin clone?
No. If for no other reason, his voice has changed over the years and
he can't sing like he did in Led Zeppelin any more. Seems pretty clear
from his solo stuff that he doesn't have any interest in sounding like
Zep any more anyway.
gh
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927.50 | | COMET::MARTINN | I'll hate you better! | Wed Mar 17 1993 16:13 | 4 |
| Thanks Greg, you said that perfectly to how I feel about this whole C/P
thing except for one thing I love LZ and hate this....I don't think
that you're automatically gonna like this if you were a LZ fan!
Rat
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927.51 | | GOES11::G_HOUSE | It's NOT a TOOMAH! | Wed Mar 17 1993 16:25 | 5 |
| Guess I should have phrased it "probably", in terms of liking it it if
you're into Zep. I haven't heard all of it, but the two songs I did
hear sounded very much like the Zep stuff from way back.
gh
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927.52 | Led Snake | POWDML::BUCKLEY | A Change of Seasons | Wed Mar 17 1993 16:27 | 2 |
| I never liked Zep but like this band...why? Danny Carmassi (drummer)
roolz!
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927.53 | | BUSY::ESCOBAR | So I Can See Where I'm Goin' Baby | Wed Mar 17 1993 16:27 | 9 |
|
Re: Rat
Well.. the thing that irks me is your only reason for not liking it is
because there are similarities between Zep and C/P. Jeez, they do have
the same guitar player, ya know?
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927.54 | | BUSY::ESCOBAR | So I Can See Where I'm Goin' Baby | Wed Mar 17 1993 16:28 | 5 |
|
Carmassi is AWESOME on this album. Buck, check out "Feeling Hot" for
the continuous single bass thumps. Rulin'!
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927.55 | | POWDML::BUCKLEY | A Change of Seasons | Wed Mar 17 1993 16:37 | 2 |
| I saw him play with Heart once and he ripped!! Can't wait to get this
CD!!
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927.56 | | COMET::MARTINN | I'll hate you better! | Wed Mar 17 1993 16:41 | 8 |
| re. Escobar
WRONG!!! My complaint with this project is that it doesn't sound
original and Coverdale makes me ill with the way he trys to impersonate
Plant! Having the the same guitarist does not mean it has to sound so
identical...geezus that is *only* one element of the band it shouldn't
be the whole thing!!!!
Rat
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927.57 | | BUSY::ESCOBAR | So I Can See Where I'm Goin' Baby | Wed Mar 17 1993 16:48 | 15 |
|
That's what irks me too. I don't think they sound anything like Zep.
Sure Page's playing style is the same, and that will always be zeppish,
but to be honest I think Coverdale is doing his best NOT to sound like
Plant. Most of the songs on the album don't even sound like him.
The drumming sounds nothing like Bonham, Casmassi is much more dynamic
in my opinion. The bass is nothing like JPJ either.
So basically you don't like David Coverdale?
Have you heard the whole album, Rat?
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927.58 | | GOES11::G_HOUSE | It's NOT a TOOMAH! | Wed Mar 17 1993 17:06 | 6 |
| Remember that Jimmy Page wrote a large portion of Zep's music,
naturally things he writes are probably going to sound a lot like that
unless he's consciously trying NOT to (which apparently didn't work
very well for him).
gh
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927.59 | And yeverdale ruins it! | COMET::MARTINN | I'll hate you better! | Wed Mar 17 1993 17:14 | 7 |
| No, I haven't heard the whole album but the Pride and Joy has turned me
off so much I don't know that I want to. I'm not saying Paige shouldn't
bring his style into whatever he is in (or that he couldn't help it)
but it seems to me if you're supposedly doing a whole new project you
want to try something different! What's the point of doing the same old
stuff and just giving it another name?
Rat
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927.60 | | NEWOA::DALLISON | Six string madman for hire | Thu Mar 18 1993 02:47 | 13 |
|
That style, as stated, has been Jimi's style for years. His riffs and
writing approach are as much a part of him as Axl's and Jame's voice is
to their respective bands. Why should he change his style ? Surely,
wouldn't he be accused of selling out by changing his style to suit
a contemporary market ?
There is nothing original in rock music today. Everyone is ripping
everyone else off left right and centre. Take things for what they
are. If you like it, great, if you don't, too bad, wait for the next
new release.
-tony
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927.61 | REVIEW & SUMMARY, Coverdale/Page from internet | TAEC::TANAKA | | Thu Mar 18 1993 08:15 | 184 |
| This is from internet.
Subject: REVIEW & SUMMARY, Coverdale/Page album premiere (long)
Well, I enjoyed the premiere last night immensely. Following is a not-too-
brief summary, interspersed with my comments on the songs (a/k/a opinions).
Redbeard was a joke as usual, though he asks decent interview questions. He
did make a few mistakes; noting the Atlantic "25th" anniversary celebration,
and claiming that JPJ was doing soundtrack work (which Page blew off in
classic Page style by saying, "...yeah...um...um...ah...um...maybe, but...")
Anyway, here goes. Songs are denoted by the ** preceding them, and interview
segments are seperated by C for Coverdale, P for Page, & R for Redbeard:
**"Waiting On You"--Very Whiteshake-ish. I do like the drum sound on most
of the album, though it could've been a bit throatier (that is, less reverb
and more point-of-contact miking). The vocal/guitar mix also seemed to
change over the course of the song--wonder if Page was doing some dial-
spinning? Anyway, not bad, but it didn't bowl me over. And if I hear the
lyric "'til the rivers run dry" one more time, I'm gonna vomit.
C-laments getting away from him blues roots (that's "muse," by the way, not
"moose" ;-) ). R plays snippets of "Here I Go Again" and "Whole Lotta Love".
P talks a bit about the failed Zeppelin reunion--I'll quote him here. One
note: he seemes upset _still_ about this, and if you could hear his voice
you could tell right away how he feels about Plant at the moment. But:
"...Robert certainly wasn't doing anything...and there was a great feeling in
the camp that we would probably be getting back together again in some shape
or form--some capacity--whether it be a tour or what. But, I mean, as you can
tell at this point it just didn't happen...[softly] it just didn't happen,
so.... I think it's pretty safe to assume that if it didn't happen then...
then...you know, it's...well, it's pretty dim any...any chance of it happening
in the future. Everyone...I mean, as far as Jonesey and I were concerned, we
were really keen to see it begin...get something going. But, you know, Robert
just wasn't...[softly] wasn't interested. Well, at the time...I mean, I'll
leave this for everybody's speculation: that he thought it would harm his solo
career. That's...that's what he said, which is rather peculiar, but...but
that's his reason."
So, you can see that relations seem to be a bit dicey. Anyway...C went on to
explain his first awareness of Page, and showed himself to be quite
knowledgeable about the Immediate singles days. He talked about how their
inital contact was put off a bit by his personal problems (no doubt Tawny
Kitaen dumping him), but then said that they first met in New York around
March of '91. P described the first meeting as mostly feeling out the other's
personalities.
**"Feeling Hot"--Very uptempo, classic '70's rocker, perhaps something Deep
Purple might have done. Lots of overdubbed guitars--which brings up a point:
Page has really worked himself into a corner on this album, with the vast
number of overdubs, layered acoustic/electric work, synths, etc. He'll be
working very hard on stage, that's for sure. Anyway...there are a few
syncopated breaks very much like "The Ocean" in here, and a rockabilly solo,
which is kinda ironic given Beck's new project: an entire album of Gene
Vincent tunes done in a painstakingly accurate Cliff Gallup style. Not
bad, certainly better than anything on "Outrider".
P describes their union as a "dangerous liason," talks about writing in Tahoe
(Nevada, for you non-USers), and C debunks the myth that David Geffen had
anything to do with them getting together (it was Page's management, according
to Page). They recorded much of their writing (which was largely acoustic
guitar) on a "$50 recorder from Radio Shack". In their very first writing
session, they came up with the following song:
**"Absolution Blues"--The first great track on this album. There's a long
freeform guitar solo at the beginning over a synth background, which actually
quotes "Nobody's Fault But Mine" for one brief moment. Another uptempo
rocker, but more in the Page style. Nice solo. C also engages in a few
Plantisms, but generally on this album he sounds very much like his own
singer; the Plant style is not much in evidence, and his voice is extremely
rough. The song kinda reminds me of Mr. Big's "Addicted To That Rush," but
without the solos.
P claims that this is his best work since Zeppelin (he's right). C sez that
P pushed him hard on this project, and makes fun of the label that had been
applied to the band early on--he calls it "Leg-ends" (prounouncing it like
I wrote it). Page gets a good laugh out of this.
**"Don't Leave Me This Way"--A _great_ song; slow, bluesy, with an excellent
vocal that starts out in Paul Rodgers style and moves on to heights I've
never heard C reach. The verse line is vaugely like the opening to
Aerosmith's "Seasons Of Whither". There are some alternate meters in this
song, as well. Anyway, the _big_ news is that P actually mirrors some of
C's vocal lines in the call and response sections, which he has pointedly
avoided since the demise of Zeppelin. Great to hear again. The chorus/
solo sections are stunning, but awfully similar to the thrashing climax
of the Beatles' "I Want You".
C talks about his fascination with the blues; his first exposure was Leadbelly
from his chemistry teacher. He fishes a bit for a name, which P supplies
instantly (Alan Lennox, or something) that was another early influence. He
goes on to mention Hendrix, then being bribed by the local priest to sing
in the church choir.
**"Easy Does It"--Pretty similar in style to "Friends," with the drone under
a crawling chord structure. While I usually hate the immediate labeling
of any P acoustic work as being, "Just Like _III_!" I have to say that, in
this case, it's accurate. Fairly jazzy chord voicings, a few Plantisms from
C, and a very un-Page-like electric section.
P notes, to R's disbelief, that very little from their past writing made it
on to this album. But he notes one exception--a riff he came up with in '79
during the _ITTID_ sessions, that was ignored at the time, and ignored later
by Paul Rodgers in the Firm. It supplies the opening riff for:
**"Shake My Tree"--Starts with a meticulously-picked, double-tracked acoustic
intro. This song is very complex, featuring alternate meters, a drum line
that plays across the riff, P's infamous backward-echo technique, and more.
The opening riff actually sounds like a blues version of something Robert
Fripp might have done during the League Of Crafty Guitarists era, but overall
the song actually sounds like it could have been a Yardbirds tune. More
harp solos on this one.
C notes that he conceived the acoustic opening of "P&J" as a Dr. John-style,
laid-back tune called "Barbados Boogie". Then, as he notes:
"...and then, of course, he [Page] had to put in this enormous...you know...
gutter, digusting, churning, malevolent, _sucking_ riff."
..which drew lots of laughter from P and R. P notes that pre-production was
done in Reno.
**"Pride & Joy"
C gushes about P's talent and influence for a while.
**"Over Now"--Standard rocker, with lots of overdubbed guitars. Coverdale
sings one particular line that sounds an awful lot like the "Come mess with
my sincerity, go down on my desire" line from Plant's "She Said" (I do have
the right track, don't I?) There also seems to be a bit of "Four Sticks"
in here, mostly in the chord voicings. There's a subtle wah-wah solo buried
under the mix at the end. Overall, it kinda sounds like it could easily
have been on _Manic Nirvana_.
C talks about how the next song was based on his view of the Gulf War.
**"Whisper A Prayer For The Dying"--The most surprising track on the album.
Incredible mood shifts. There's yet another slow, melodic section, then
a rockier section, but then P goes into a riff that can only be desribed
as pure metal (and the production matches it), and C sings in a chillingly
accurate Brian Johnson style (AC/DC, in case I lost you). One minor
complaint--the synth work (though it could be real strings, I suppose)
sounds a bit too much like "Live & Let Die" at one point, then drifts into
chording that sounds too much like "Kashmir". But overall, this song reminds
me of something Metallica might write (it doesn't sound like Metallica, but
the song construction could appear on their latest album).
R lists the other players--apparently, Ricky Phillips and Jorge Casas (from
Gloria Estefan's band (!)) share bass chores. C talks about their common
blues roots, and says, "We didn't sit down and say 'let's do a Led Snake
album.'"
**"Take A Look At Yourself"--The only (IMO) dog on the album. I would bet
that this is a C composition, though I'll probably be proven wrong on
Tuesday. This is a simple ballad, with some percussive guitar work similar
to P's lines on "All My Love," and a solo in the style of "Blues Anthem"
from _Outrider_. This song got me thinking that maybe Denny Carmassi had
a hand in the writing too, as it could easily have been a Heart song.
C says that he's confident this is the best work he can do at this point in
his career. P notes that he wrote the next song while looking at his young
son in Tahoe. C talks about the lyrics, and how they represent the kind of
loss they've both felt (Bonhan, Bolin), and how he pictures the song as old
buddies huddling around the fire for comfort. R predicts the song will be
huge.
**"Take Me For A Little While"--He's right. This is a monster. It's also
probably going to be controversial, as I can see how a lot of people will
trash it for being a ballad. But this is (IMO, of course) the best track
on the album, and clearly miles above anythin P's done since 1980. The
verses are a thickly-composed acoustic setting similar to the acoustic
sections in "Midnight Moonlight," which melts into an understated chorus
with quite a few different guitars and a synth line that reminds one of
the classic mellotron string sound, though again--I suppose there's a
chance they used real strings. The chorus is based on Page's favorite
soloing chords: Am, F, G...and after the first repetition features a
beautiful guitar pattern that recalls both a Clapton solo line from "Wanna
Make Love To You" and a Fleetwood Mac line (I believe from "7 Wonders," but
I'm not a big FM fan). The solo is wonderfully understated, and continues
through the outro with C doing a bit of improv and the reintroduction of
the signature guitar line. Great song.
Well, that's it. I can't really judge the album too well until I've listened
to it a dozen or so times, but I have to say I'm pretty impressed so far.
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927.62 | Interview for Coverdale Page | TAEC::TANAKA | | Thu Mar 18 1993 08:20 | 175 |
| This is also from internet
Howdy everyone,
This month's issue of Japanese heavy metal magazine called "BURRN" contains
an exclusive interview with Jimmy Page and David Coverdale as a main article.
It is about 12 pages long with their recent colour pictures. Following are the
main contents of the interview:
****But first, please excuse my English. Since I am not native English
speaker, my knowledge is quite limited, and some of the spelling of people's
name might be incorrect.*****
==============================================================================
This interview was done between the editor of BURRN, Koh Sakai and J. Page/D.
Coverdale on Jan. 29 (2pm-4pm) in LA.
DC= David Coverdale, JP=Jimmy Page
-What makes you both to start this project?
DC: In early 1991, I received a phone call and was told if I had a interests
in doing project with JP. I respected him so much, so that I thought it is
interesting if only to talk about each idea.
-What do you think of DC when you first met him? (It was just after DC joined
Deep Purple)
JP: Very nice impression.
DC: At that time, I liked a British Blues like Zep , Clapton and John Mayore
played.
-What do you think of Plant when he denounced DC on "Serpence Albus"?
JP: I like that album, and I've never criticized him before.
-The reason you use Denny Kermacy(ex. Heart) as a drummer is that you expected
a vibration like Bonzo?
JP: I originally thought to have Simon Phillips play drums. But after all
Denny played all the songs.
DC: He is a very powerful, polite and excellent drummer. He sometimes gave us
some good advice during the recording.
-How about the tour member? When will the world tour start?
DC: No idea yet, perhaps the tour will start from this summer or at end of
this summer, starting place will be Europe or US or Far East... but not yet
decided.
-Most of your fans would be expecting Zep and Whitesnake tunes at the concert.
JP: It's quite natural. We will enjoy playing them and we will sure to play
for many fans at our concert!
DC:We are both feeling gratitude and have honor to what we had done. We will
play Zep and Whitesnake tunes as highlights of a concert, and of course
Page/Coverdale tunes!
-It is said that this project will disappear soon as a one time project...
DC:Time will tell. I personally feel very sorry if this is a one time project.
A lot of idea will be put on the shelf.
JP: Possibility of keeping this project is very high.
-Why are there three producers? (JP, DC and Mike Frazer)
JP: I used 72track for recording. He(Mike) could catch up all the power we
were trying to emit. He also has an sensitivity when we played ballade. His
contribution to our recording values as producer. Three of us always
stimulated to each other when recording.
DC: I totally rely JP on recording. He is an excellent music builder.
-How many songs did you make for the album?
DC: Well, 15 to 16 songs, maybe.... We featured 11 songs in the album and the
rest of 4 songs will be released in the form of outtake singles collection or
something.
-What kind of process did you have when composing songs?
JP: First we made "Absolutin Blues". Two of us made all songs, no one else.
During first week we could make a lot of songs naturally.
DC: We don't want to make songs at the spirit of "LED SNAKE, WHITE ZEPPELIN"
-What is the meaning of the album jacket?
DC: This is the traffic sign meaning two roads joining to one road. Try to
express _unification_ or _joining together_.
-Comments of songs in the album.
(Take me for a little while)
DC: This lyrics is very personal to us. JP lost Bonzo, and I lost T. Bolin. We
wish we could make anybody feel this kind of emotion -- "Take me for a little
while, Take me away from these sad thoughts, sing me songs to make me smile."
JP: Completely agree!
(Pride and Joy)---This will be the first video clip.
JP: We made this song during taking vacation at Barbados islands. Firstly this
song was called "Barbados Boogie" as sub-title. This is the only song that I
played harmonica in the album. Rest of harmonica was played by the man called
John Harris.
DC: This song is to celebrate the woman who is completely stable.
(Absolution Blues)
DC: We make this song when we first met at my house in Lake Taho.
JP: We depended upon only a cassette tape recorder to compose this song.
(Whisper A Prayer For the Dying)
DC: This song was also written at Barbados. I was a fan of Yardbirs. I assume
this song contains the same direction as Yardbirds used to have. Dark and
heavy song.
JP: Quite right.
-As a whole, do you think DC's lyrics is too personal?
JP: I don't think there is anything bad. I can satisfy what he believes is
right.
DC: JP understands all of the lyrics I wrote. It was important to us to
satisfy what we were doing at this cooperate task.
-Did you have some ego to make songs?
JP: Not at all. This partnership is not forced by anybody else.
DC: Two years have passed since this partner was made. We have respected to
each other and have made a very good partnership since then.
-Why are you always together for any interviews? Not to say this one.
DC: 'Cause it's a joint project. We both have partnership to each other.
-Jimmy, you haven't accepted so many interviews ever, have you? But this time
you have accepted a lot. Are you confusing to it?
JP: I am very proud of what we have completee this time. I only accept
interviews during these two weeks time frame, though.
-What is the difference between making songs this time? Could you make songs
easily just like you used to when you are in Zep or Whitesnake?
JP: Well...When I am in Zep there was a period that I could make songs easily
(first or middle period). But the period of making ITTOD, it was not so easy.
I can't answer to it clearly.
-What will you plan to do after the world tour?
JP: We will make something like an outtake album that includes the songs which
are not included in the album (with some surprise). After that, I have no idea
right now if you will start the recording of the second album.
DC: First, I want to see how this album would be treated after release. The
results will be a indicator whether we will continue this project or not.
-What is a technical difference in recording between what you have done in
remastering Zep songs in _Remasters_ album and this time?
JP: I used 2 inches tape for recording this album. I mixdowned songs in both
analog and digital ways. I assume analog has better sound than digital has. I
only persue digital way at the last mastering.
DC: Those who play a music like us would tend to make analog version too.
============================================================================
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927.63 | | BUSY::ESCOBAR | So I Can See Where I'm Goin' Baby | Thu Mar 18 1993 09:25 | 5 |
|
Dave and Jimmy said they will be playing both Zep and Whitesnake tunes
on their forthcoming tour. Rulin'!
|
927.64 | | NEWOA::DALLISON | Six string madman for hire | Fri Mar 19 1993 02:35 | 6 |
|
Love to see Page playing some of the Vai tunes. Well, I guess his
dribble will lubricate the neck to a point where he just glides with
the greatest of ease (!).
-tony
|
927.65 | I'll be there | BUSY::ESCOBAR | Are You Gonna Go My Way? | Thu Mar 25 1993 10:54 | 4 |
|
These guys are touring this summer. opening act; EXTREME. More than
likely they will be playing Great Woods.
|
927.66 | | KDX200::ROBR | The adventures of Letterman! | Thu Mar 25 1993 10:56 | 3 |
|
you'll be anyplace d. goes :'). another lost puppy :') :')
|
927.67 | | BUSY::ESCOBAR | Are You Gonna Go My Way? | Thu Mar 25 1993 11:20 | 4 |
|
'scuse me?
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927.68 | Japan Tour Shedule | TKOV51::TANAKA_T | | Tue Sep 21 1993 06:33 | 21 |
| I got the information on Japan tour of Coverdale/Page as below.
Dec 14 Tokyo Budohkan
Dec 15 Tokyo Budohkan
Dec 17 Tokyo Yoyogi Olympic Pool
Dec 20 Osaka Osaka Castle Hall
Dec 22 Nagoya Aichi-Prefecture Gymnasium
The ticket will start selling on Sep 25. This is already announced on the
newspaper, so I think this is reliable enough.(I hope so, too.)
I'm interested in the stairway to heaven which will be sung by Coverdale.(I
heard that they would play that sacred song on the tour.) Some people may be
offended, but I'm sure that Coverdale will be skillful enough.(I don't wanna
hear here I go again played by Page, though.)
Anyway, I must get the ticket by all means.
Bye,
Toshiaki Tanaka from Tokyo, Japan
P.S.What about the US tour?
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927.69 | | QRYCHE::STARR | Is she ready to know my frustration? | Tue Sep 21 1993 11:04 | 7 |
| > P.S. What about the US tour?
They tested the market by putting a few shows on sale in the Southeast, and
tickets sales were very slow. They ended up cancelling the U.S. tour
altogether...
alan
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927.70 | TV Ads on Japan Tour Shedule >TV Ads on Japan Tour | TKOV51::TANAKA_T | | Thu Sep 23 1993 02:11 | 8 |
| Hi,
It's trivial, but I saw the advertisement on TV about C/P Japanese tour.
It uses Pride and Joy promotion video and says "The soulful shouting of
David Coverdale will explode and Jimmy Page will show you the quintessence of
Rock'n'Roll!"(Of course, it's in Japanses.)
Toshiaki Tanaka from Tokyo, Japan
|
927.71 | I saw the God playing the guitar! | TKOV51::TANAKA_T | | Wed Dec 15 1993 00:21 | 97 |
| Gang,
I went to the very first concert of C/P yesterday. The follwing is the
concert review which I and my friend concocted. The concert was satisfactory
to me.(Not f**king great, though) At least, I was not disappointed like
Atlantic Zep Reunion in 1988.
Bye,
Toshiaki Tanaka from Tokyo, Japan
From: JRDMAX::"[email protected]" "yasuhara" 15-DEC-1993 11:18:56.67
To: [email protected]
Hi folks,
I went to the long-waited C/P concert last night with Toshiaki(he is also a
subscriber of this list). Looks like the time has come to let you inform C/P
first concert at Budokan, Tokyo!
It's been 21 years since the last time Jimmy has come to Japan to have Zepp
tour in Japan... a long time.
Well, let me describe the detail.
Date, time and place; Dec. 14 1993 19:00- Budokan, Tokyo
Member--- Jimmy Page, guitar
David Coverdale, Vocal
Guy Pratt, bass
Brett Tuggle, keyboard, synthsizer, 12 strings guitar on Pride and
Joy
Denny Carmassi, drums
Jimmy appeared wearing black tight pants and white shirt with a black vest.
Coverdale was wearing black tight leather pants and bright blue swallow tailed
coat.
Tunes they played
-----------------
Absolution blues
Slide it in
Rock and Roll
It's over now
Kashmir
Pride and Joy (with boring Keyboard solo at the end...)
Take a look at yourself (acoustic, Jimmy sat on a wood chair)
Take me for a little while (Jimmy used double neck!)
In my time of dying
Here I go again
White summer-black mountain side(incl. Over the Hills..riff and Kashmir riff)
(Jimmy sat on a wood chair again)
Don't leave me this way (with boring short drum solo at the end...)
Shake my tree (incl. theramin at the end)
-Encore-
Still of the night (Jimmy DID NOT use violin bow!)
-2nd encore-
Out on the tiles(intro only)
Black dog
The Ocean( intro only)
The Wanton Song (intro only)
Feelin' hot
Overall, Jimmy looks very vigorous, but seemed exhausted at the end of the
concert. Coverdale seemed always try to pay his respect to Jimmy's guitar
play especially when he played Whitesnake tunes.
Jimmy made several brief comments while on stage like "It is our pleasure to
play first time here" or something. I don't remember exactly. At the encore
tunes, Jimmy changed his upper cloth to white T-shirts with C/P mark on it.
It's a bit strange, though...
It seems to me that Coverdale tried hard to copy Zepp songs from studio
recording ones. And IMTOD was really impressive.
I think the concert itself was medicore to good level, but it is hard to
define what is their excellet concert now, cause they played only once!
Basically I enjoyed very much and happy to see Jimmy's stage for the first
time....
Their rest of the tour schedule is as follows:
Dec 15 Budokan, Tokyo
Dec 17 Yoyogi Olympic Pool, Tokyo
Dec 18 Yoyogi Olympic Pool--special additional concert
Dec 20 Osaka Castle Hall, Osaka
Dec 22 Aichi-Prefecture Gymnasium, Nagoya
Sorry for the long message! And thanks Toshiaki for your cooperation!
If someone wants to know something else, pls post your message!
Ryo
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927.72 | shake my tree | AYOV25::JFOSTER | | Wed Dec 15 1993 04:56 | 5 |
| anyone know when pagie and co. are playing the uk (scotland in
particular?)
jim.
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927.73 | God's not a drug addict | FRETZ::HEISER | no I'm really very, very shy | Wed Dec 15 1993 09:38 | 1 |
| > -< I saw the God playing the guitar! >-
|
927.74 | | METALX::SWANSON | Crow T. Robot for President | Wed Dec 15 1993 10:17 | 7 |
| > -< God's not a drug addict >-
Are you sure? He created a lot of them!
:')
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927.75 | Seems to me that... | GOES11::HOUSE | You sick little monkey! | Wed Dec 15 1993 10:51 | 1 |
| God created man, man created drugs, drugs created addicts.
|
927.76 | Sorry! :-p | TKOV51::TANAKA_T | | Thu Dec 16 1993 23:52 | 10 |
| >FRETZ::HEISER "no I'm really very, very shy"
> -< God's not a drug addict >-
Sorry for my atheistic statement, man! You should note that some Japanese are
not very religious compared to Westerners.
We worship f**king money to be bloody an economic animal!
-Toshiaki
P.S. Strictly speaking, Page is reportedly not a drug addict anymore.
|
927.77 | but at least you cuss in American | OUTSRC::HEISER | no I'm really very, very shy | Fri Dec 17 1993 09:57 | 2 |
927.78 | I used to speak decent English, but... | TKOV51::TANAKA_T | | Sun Dec 19 1993 19:33 | 11 |
| RE: -1
> -< but at least you cuss in American >-
Well, I studied English for 10 years in school, but I never learned cursing
then. I learned it a lot in this note conference. I must be thankful for
all of you.
Bye,
Toshiaki "f**king screw'em bloody mess" Tanaka
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927.79 | | KDX200::ROBR | The road to the south... Impassible! | Sun Dec 19 1993 23:43 | 4 |
|
whoa!
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927.80 | Coverdale/Page Split | RDGENG::GREID | So Far. So Good, So What ? | Tue Jan 11 1994 03:45 | 10 |
|
The demise of the Coverdale/Page project was reported in the UK
press last week. I think it said they played 7 dates in Japan and
that's the lot. Page is off to do some project with Robert Plant
(slated as not a LZ reunion), and Coverdale is mixing a Best of
Whitesnake album and may reform the band.
So I guess we won't see this tour at all.
Giles.
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927.81 | | KURMA::IGOLDIE | Bite the hand that feeds you...! | Fri Jan 14 1994 20:26 | 6 |
| David Coverdale is an silly bugger and should give himself a shake.
Whitesnake from the Slide it in/Saints and Sinners was waaaaaay better
than the last piece of cack they put out!
ian
|
927.82 | | FABSIX::K_KAMAR | Rock n' Roll Ain't Noise Pollution | Sun Apr 28 1996 17:55 | 5
|