Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    
    
    	I don't know how many of you are watching or did watch
    	the MTV Music Awards....
    
    	But I think this year is the most outrageous so far....
    	First we had stage diving by fans during Nirvana and the 
    	lead singer stuffed his guitar into the amp and crawled
    	up on top of the drums...
    
    	Then we had RHCP up accepting an award and Flea jumps 
    	up on top of the podium and makes 'jerking off' motions.
    	Then one of the other guys jumps in front of him and 
    	makes it look like he's giving Flea a BJ.
    
    	And just now RHCP got up to perform and  had a huge mosh
    	pit on stage with them.  (does Flea always perform in his
    	Fruit of the Looms?)  half naked people jamming and gyrating 
    	all over the place....
    
    	
    	So far I haven't been very impressed with the performances.
    	Even Elton was lousy.  U2 has been the best so far.
    
    	Let's see what's up now....
    
    	JJ
    
    
    

    
    
    	Ha!  trip for the evening.  Elton playing piano opposite
    	Axl during GnR's performance of November Rain.....
    
    	I won't even tell you what Howard Stern did....
    

    I thought the whole thing (I saw *most* of it) was a total joke.
    At least it's a constant.  
    
    DYLIW - You're trying out a former member of The Springs hottest
    band Saturday (on guitar) and your snarfing up the singer from said 
    band too?  I *love* it when that happens!!
    
    jj - your so cute.  :)

    
    	RE: JJ
    
    	Aww, come on ... what did Howard Stern do?
    
    							GTI
    

    RE -1
    
    THE RETURN OF FARTMAN!!!!!
    
    /W

OVerall, I thought the live performances chewed.  (The ones I saw, didn't
see them all.)


U2 rooools, of course.  :^)

Most others disappointed me.   But, it was outrageous and entertaining
I suppose.

Flea has NO mind left I'm afraid. :^)

-andy

    
    
    	You're kidding right?
    

    
    Anybody have it on tape???
    
    

    Stephen and I were watching them last nite and I was pretty
    disappointed in the sound of all the bands too!  Then he said to me,
    quite irritated I might add, "Nan, the sound sucks because the damn
    sound person sucks.  I know sound men in Boston that could have done a
    better job than this A-hole."  He said that when Elton performed all
    you could hear was his piano.....when he watched Def L., you couldn't
    hear any of the guitar or bass.  He said, "That guitar should be
    wailing, and look -- nothing!"  He was so pissed off, that he changed
    the channel right after Pearl Jam.
    
    Oh well...
    
    N

    Kidding????...Why.....Im so happy to see some GOOD bands win awards. I
    have thought previous years awards and live performances were lame. Im
    afraid Im not kidding!! The only terribble performance's I thought were
    Brian Adams, Eric Clapton, Elton John.....I like these guys, but I feel
    they are washed up and over with as far as "good" new material. They
    just didnt fit in with the rest of the evening IMO. Also, I didnt feel
    GnR deserved the Vanguard...I think Abuse your wallet I and II are lame
    albums...(except for a coupla tunes)....There only accomplishment seems
    to be driven by Axl exploiting his personal problems and gaining
    publicity from his idiotic attitude.
    
    Bob

RE: -2

He's got to say that, he may be on them next year 8^) ! Judging by wot you
said in the mutterings topic, I'm glad I was busy doing other thangs. I wanted
to throw stuff at an all-male band that motioned 'doing' each other at a
Triumph show (Saxton?), I don't want to see this sh*t on tv now.

Bunch of #(@*%($^&(%*)!%  (#*@(%*($%*$(*

Droid

    My liking for the show had nothing to do with the Sound...The sound
    wasnt that great, but the band lineup (most of em) rooled!!
    
    Bob
    
    :*)

    Dana Carvey does a great George Bush imitation, but what was he REALLY
    trying to say with it?!

�    Anybody have it on tape???
 
I do, but haven't finished watching it yet.  I missed it again this year 
because a class I'm taking started last night and I didn't get home until
10:30.

I have the warmup show as well.

I thought the Crowes did an awesome job getting the show started.  U2 was
okay, but I've seen too much Zoo TV this year, so it didn't seem so novel.
I liked Garth playing with them though...

GnR got the Video Vanguard award?  Amazing, I thought they'd be banned for
life from accepting awards after Slash f*d up a few years back.

I was a bit disappointed in the RHCP and Nirvana.  

I thought that Van Halen's video actually deserved some of the awards it
got.

Howard Stern - what can I say?  Ummm, nothing I guess...  Crank up his
entrance on the HiFi VCR and it stinks...

Tim
    

>    	I won't even tell you what Howard Stern did....
    
    What did he do?  You gotta tell us JJ, for everyone who missed the
    show!  You gave a great re-cap so far!
    
    |KS|
    
    

Couple of random comments....

- Dana Carvey is much better than Arsenio, who I never liked much

- Van halen deserved the awards for "Right Now" - its a great video!

- Pearl Jam was cool live

- Clapton, Bryan Adams, Def Leppard, Elton, GnR were all boring live

- En Vogue was pretty good live, even if I don't like their stuff (quite a
  good, high-energy production number)

- My favorite part of the show was when the bass player from Nirvana tossed
  his bass high in the air - and it comes back down on his face!!! Oh man,
  that looked like it HURT! For those that didn't see it, he immediately
  fell to the ground, got up, stumbled for about 3 feet, then fell down again.
  He ended up staggering offstage with the help of a roadie.....

- What was the deal with the Michael Jackson lookalike collecting the award
  for Nirvana? Stupid....

- And speaking of stupid - what is Howard Stern's problem? That was supposed
  to be funny? Maybe if I was in junior high still..... maybe.....

- U2 were ok. Bono was funny with some of the comments he made with Garth!

- Black Crowes were a good opener.


alan

    
    Yeah JJ, what did he do?
    
    A sEcREt nOTeR
    

    ...........i'm so glad i missed this show..........i saw two seconds of
    some guy stage diving during Nirvana's Lith "hey_we_haven't_heard_this_
    song_in_seconds" ium .....sounds like the whole show was about as 
    thrilling as watching grass grow,.......and besides that....Andre
    Agassi was a whole lot more fun to watch running around on the other
    channel.................;").................../k

    I was disappointed at the actions of some of these people..
    I'm all for them having fun on stage , but they were
    really pushing it!  
    
    bobby brown- i'm fed up with this guy/his music and his BIG mouth!!!
    
    I thought the invisalbe blow-job was a little too much.
    
    Fartman and his cellulite as disguisting (and his gut) But people on
    stage seemed to point that out for him.. (this was wicked lame )
    
    
    i'll shut up now!!
    
    				wendy o'
    
    

    
    
    re:/k 
    
    Really!? dang, must of caught me off gaurd!! I won't let it happen
    again... 
    
    
    
    re: MTV awards
    
    
    Howard Stern.. He is the biggest joke, it was funny at first, but he
    kept goin on and on.. If I heard him say 'Touch my Ass' one more 
    time, I was gonna yaacckk.. 
    
    
    Overall, I think it was one of the best show they had so far.. Arsenio
    always sucked when he hosted the show.. Garth was a riot!! 
    
    
    Wpose-

    I moved some discussion from 99.* here, so don't get alarmed if some of
    the replies seem a little out of context.
    
    Greg (acting as moderator)

    Ok, now for my comments on the show.  Yep, I watched it.  Yep, I don't
    know why...  The awards were a total joke, the same 5-6 videos were
    nominated for EVERYTHING!  
    
    I mean "Let's Get Rocked"???  Gag!  Let's get REAL!
    
    Dana Carvey (sp?) seemed to lose it pretty bad on his improv stuff. 
    He's obviously a better writer/actor then he is at standup.  He had his
    moments though, like the scenes of him and the other dude doing Carson
    and McMahon on the beach were a riot!
    
    Howard Stern is such an idiot, but somehow through the disgustingness
    of the whole thing, I still found it funny.

    Overall, I thought that most of the attempts at humor were pretty
    juvenile.  I could have lived without them.
    
    Lessee...  Of the performances (the only reason I watched the show), I
    liked Pearl Jam (they were great, but I wish they'd done a different
    song, I'm getting burned out on that one), U2 (same thing, I think that
    song is one of their weaker numbers), Nirvana (not because it was a
    great performance, I just wanted to see 'em), and En Vogue (excellent
    performance!) the best.
    
    GnR were *ok*, but seemed sort of lackluster.  Slashes tone was
    absolutely nowhere, which is unusual since I almost always like his
    sound.
    
    The real chunk blowers of the evening for me were, Brian Adams (ack, I
    had to change the station!), Elton, Def Leppard (the song sucked and
    they were totally uninspired), the Black Crowes (band sounded good,
    Chris Robinson improvised *way* too much), and Bobby Brown (I hate that
    song to start with, and that performance of it was absolutely
    terrible).
    
    All in all, I could have watched the 5 minutes around Nirvana's
    performance and been as happy as I was seeing the whole thing, AND had
    the rest of the evening to do something more productive with. 
                                               
    re: JJ
    
>    	But I think this year is the most outrageous so far....
    
    There seemed to be some emphasis on shock appeal.  I certainly could
    have lived without seeing Howard Stern's sick flabby butt cheeks...
    
>    	First we had stage diving by fans during Nirvana and the 
>    	lead singer stuffed his guitar into the amp and crawled
>    	up on top of the drums...
    
    Oh, did you miss the part right before Cobain starts whacking his amp
    with the guitar where Novaselich (sp) throws his bass way up in the air
    and misses the catch and it whacks him in the head?  He looked like he
    was about close to being down for the count!
    
>    	Then we had RHCP up accepting an award and Flea jumps 
>    	up on top of the podium and makes 'jerking off' motions.
>    	Then one of the other guys jumps in front of him and 
>    	makes it look like he's giving Flea a BJ.
>    
>    	And just now RHCP got up to perform and  had a huge mosh
>    	pit on stage with them.  (does Flea always perform in his
>    	Fruit of the Looms?)  half naked people jamming and gyrating 
>   	all over the place....
    
    Not to mention Anthony thanking Satan when they accepted their second
    award...    
    
    gh

    
    	Ok, ok...
    
    	Howard Stern got dressed up in a pseudo-superhero outfit
    	and called himself Fartman.  His stomach and his backside
    	were both bared for all the world to see.  (and he's got a
    	flat, flabby arse I might add)  He comes flying down onto 
    	the stage (via a wire) all the while playing a tape with
    	flatulence noises.  It was quite disgusting.  Kept saying
    	'touch my a@@, go ahead'.  then he'd squat and and again
    	the flatulence tape would be played.  this went on and on 
    	an on......he got Luke Perry (who was co-presenting with him)
    	to touch his butt and then pulled some chick out of the audience
    	and she did it too.  After the presentation (Metallica won) he
    	flew off again with the flatulence tape going.
    
    	Worse than anything I've ever heard about his doing on his own
    	show.
    
    	re: way back... Bob M.
    
    	Well I guess we have differing opinions.  I thought most of the
    	live performances inhaled.  Yes, those that won the awards probably
    	deserved them, but I wasn't impressed with the live acts.
    
    	JJ
    

    
    	Oh and what was with Joe Elliott trying to look like Sam
    	Kinison??!
    
    	re: Greg and Alan
    
    	I saw him throw the guitar in the air but must have missed it
    	smashing his face....
    

    I thought it was Joe Elliot trying to look like Steve Whiteman trying
    to look like Sam Kinnison?!
    
    ;')

>    	Oh and what was with Joe Elliott trying to look like Sam
>    	Kinison??!
    
    Yeah, really!  He looked really old there.  Clearly too old to be
    singing the cheezeball lyrics he still trys to.  If it's gonna be aimed
    at 13 year olds, the person singing should at least look like they're
    within 10 years of that age.  They're totally washed up, even Viv
    Campbell (who also looked like a geezer) couldn't save this band (even
    if they LET HIM PLAY LEAD).
                               
    gh

    Oh yeah, and did anyone else think Nirvana didn't seem right with
    Cobain's nice proper haircut?
    
    gh

    Me ... he should loose it -- it didn't look right!
    
    
    He's also REALLY short!!
    
    
    RE: Bassist.  He was playing a Gibson "Ripper" bass, which is one
    big/heavy mutha -- that must have  HURT.

    
    	yeah, I'm like "hey what happened to the long haired lead singer?"
    	Then realized he just whacked it off......
    

What was the deal with Michael Anthony thanking Joeseph Goebels ?!?!?!?
I think it's pretty sick!

jc

>What was the deal with Michael Anthony thanking Joeseph Goebels ?!?!?!?
    
    Who is?

Commander of Auchwitz (sp?) - Nazi death camp.
AKA - Hitlers right hand man (hit-man, that is)...

jc

    I thought he thanked George Gobels (you know, the old comedian/actor)? 
    But I wasn't watchin real close, and didn't hear him well.  
    
    Maybe he was thinkin that the Van Halen's wouldn't have moved to the US
    if it hadn't been for WWII or something?  Who knows?
    
    gh

re: .30 (Coop)

> What was the deal with Michael Anthony thanking Joeseph Goebels ?!?!?!?

It wasn't Michael Anthony, was it? I thought it was one of the Chili Peppers 
(or Nirvana???) that said that..... th boys from VH were pretty mellow last
night overall.....

re: Greg 

"Let's Get Rocked" is admittely a TOTALLY lame song. However, the video for
it was spectacular, with amazinf special effects and computer animation. I
got totally sick of if, but since this IS supposed to be a VIDEO music awards
show, it deserved to be nominated in most of those categories (imo).

alan

Beats the snot outta me, but it rubbed me wrong anyway...

Van Halen - GO AWAY !

    Wack....Zamm....Pow...Crash....Zonk...Bonk....

VH WERE mellow ('cept for blown "beep" over Sammys "F*ck* comment which
came out as UCK!).  Just before they walked away, Michael Anthony thanks 
Joseph Goebels...  I was like "huh?!"

jc

    re: JJ
    
 >   	Worse than anything I've ever heard about his doing on his own
 >   	show.
    
    Actually, he's done that on his own show!
    
    

At least they didn't have kilbasa(sp?) lady on

    
    	Well I must live a sheltered life cuz I'd never heard of
    	Fartman till last night......THANK GOD!  ahem....
    

    re: Alan         

>"Let's Get Rocked" is admittely a TOTALLY lame song. However, the video for
>it was spectacular, with amazinf special effects and computer animation. I
>got totally sick of if, but since this IS supposed to be a VIDEO music awards
>show, it deserved to be nominated in most of those categories (imo).
    
    I guess you're right, but I'd nominate it for "best special efx in a
    video" or something like that, not for every stinkin award they give
    out.  The song was so lame that I don't think I ever actually saw more
    then the first 10-20 seconds of the video (this *is* what they make
    remote controls for!)
    
    I did notice that it didn't win any of 'em though...  ;^)
            
    BTW, was it my imagination, or did they give out less actual awards
    this year then usual?  Seemed like the total emphasis of the show was
    the performances.
    
    re: JJ
    
    I saw Stern doing that "Fartman" thing on the Jay Leno show awhile back
    (minus the costume, of course).  He was talking like it was a movie or
    something (surely not...please...).
                                                           
    gh

    
    
    	Hey a friend of mine said there was a promotion thingie going
    	on with Godzilla vs. Charles Barkley?  Anyone have a clue?
    	They said it was going to be aired the night of the awards....
    
    	I didn't see anything.
    

    Yeah, it's called an advertisement (for Nike) and it was aired at least
    twice during the LOOOONG commercial breaks between the awards show.
    
    Kinda cute.  They're both Godzilla size in a city.  Barkley shoves
    Godzilla into a building (smashing it) to make a stuff shot, then it
    show's 'em walking away together and Barkley sez "You ever think about
    wearing shoes?", or something like that.
    
    gh

    In my best Ed_McMohan Voice.."HaWwwwHAwwwww__You are Correct Sir!Haw!"
    
    
    
               Crazy_Crowes_RULE_Al

    In my best Carson voice, "I did not know that".
    
    Here's a good one for all you Howard Stern mutants, a new Usenet
    newsgroup...  (No, I'm not making this up)
    
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    Yeah, it was some dude from Nirvana that thanked that Goebels dude. 
    
    What did Kurt mean by "Don't believe everything you read."  He must
    have said that 5 times!
    
    I freaked out the first words out of Anthony Kiedes' mouth were "We
    want to thank Satan".  That got everyone's attention.  
    
    'pril (that french dude needs to loosen up)

    I think what Kurt meant was that the rumours that Nivana were
    splitting up.
    
    
                                                 Staynz

    Or that Cortney was shooting smack during her pregnancy?

    
    Or that they suck live AND in the studio,
    
    

Did anyone see the segment during the awards where they had?

	The Smiths:  Was $500 now $200

	The Jones Family is now marked down to $300


MTV: Your family values station...

    I thought it probably had something to do with the interview with
    Courtney in Vanity Fair, where they make Kurt out to be this little
    wimp...
    
    'pril (anyone else read that?)

    
    I saw it, but didn't read it. ;')
    
    

    
    	Well, I'm not going to take all day reading the 50-some-odd replies
    to this note but I'm throwing in my two-cents:
    
    	I thought the awards BLEW CHOW!!  The sound of the bands stunk,
    Dana Carvey was the worst MC I have EVER SEEN, and the actual
    presentations was a mess (i.e., Wilson Philips and Boyz2Men presenting?
    Ice-T and Metallica presenting best Rap?  An award in the parking lot
    before the ceremonies?  P-U!!!).
    
    	The only good things I saw were Dana Carvey's skits of Johnny and
    Ed, the bass player from Nirvana conking himself in the head (I like
    Nirvana but I thought there psuedo stage-trashing was pretty stupid and
    the guy deserved it), Cindy Crawford's rear-split skirt, and Dana
    Carvey's comment on the show turning PG-13 after the Red Hot Chili
    Pepper's psuedo on-stage blow-job (THAT WAS FUNNY!).
    
    	All-in-all, I thought the show absolutely stunk.  I was never an
    Arsenio Hall fan until I saw Dana Carvey try to MC.
    
    
    Hammer.
    
    
    	PS.  Oh, and I liked the Aerosmith "Rock the Vote" commercial.

    
    Oh ya, and I liked Axl's comment on the Vanguard award having nothing
    to do with Michael Jackson -- that was GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    Hammer.

    
    Re: .56
    
    I thought it was Classless, but what else can you expect from Axl.

    The best thing about the WHOLE AWARDS SHOW was the AEROSMITH "Rock the
    Vote" commercial!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It ruled!!!!!!
    
          Friz...Everybody else plainly sucked.
    

    Oh noooo....Poseman's back again! Now I have somebody to argue with and
    degrade!!!
    
    I liked the awards show alot..
    
    Bob

    
    	ok, gripe time.....they had the awards.....but now every
    	time I turn the TV to MTV they're re-running it!
    
    	Have they got it on a non-stop tape or what??!
    

    Bob:Relish this VMA while you can because GLAM is coming back in a big
    way!  There's no way around it....People are getting sick of these
    ugly,stand on the poudium and jerk-off and dye your hair some weird 
    blue color artists. 8)
    
               Friz
    

    
    Yer insane.

    I know....I like it too!
    
         Friz
    

    I want KIZZ to go back wearing make up!

    
    I wish they'd retire.

    I wish you'd go back to drooling and popping zits on your face!
    
            HAve respect for Kiss....Look around and you'll see they've
    been a big influence on alot of people you like.
    
            Friz
    

    
    
    >>         HAve respect for Kiss....Look around and you'll see they've
    >> been a big influence on alot of people you like.
       
    	
    	Hey Mister Hypocrite, why don't you read some past replies in
    	the Iron Maiden topic.
    

    

    re: .-1
    
    69, dude.

    
    Oh yeah! Thanks!

>>    I wish you'd go back to drooling and popping zits on your face!

I love it!

Gee Friz it was so quiet in here the last 2 weeks.

Welcome back

Tim

    Best Joke:  Jonny Carson-Carvey quipping, "In my day, Nirvana was a
                 scotch and soda and a night with Angie Dickinson."
    
    Best Paradox: Nirvana's "Lithium" since maybe only 1% of their audience 
                  really knows what that song means 
    
    Best Ego:    Lars from Metallica.
    
    Best Nomination: Weird Al Yankovic for Best Male Video, Smells Like Nirvana
    
    Best Irony: Elton John pretending to trash his piano stool when his 
                performance immediately followed Nirvana's (think about it)
                   
    Best Symbolism: Axl performing with Elton John (the wheat allying 
    themselves against all that chaff....)
    
    Best Surprise:  Duff (G n' F'n R) looking decidedly less bloated,
    purple, and dead on toilet than he has recently.
    
    Best Parody of Himself: Slash trying valiantly to perform November Rain
    while obviously "under the influence."  (I've never heard him play so
    badly -- watch the tape again)
    
    Best Remedy:  Seeing G n' R in concert the other night, still kicking
    ass, with Slash and the whole band playing/sounding great, and still
    proving that they deserve all the kudos given them during the MTV 
    Award show and that Metallica doesn't belong on the same stage with them.
    Sister_t.

    Friday night here in the UK and channel 4(bless them)have got the
    highlights(ha)of this years MTV awards.This is the first time I saw
    them but I knew what to expect from previous notes.
    
    Nirvana were terrible and the bass player is a clown
    Dana Carvey is as funny as a kick in the balls,which is what he should
    receive for being host.
    Slash sounded aweful
    Annie Lennox deserved the award she got.
    Red hot chilli peppers were good.Did anyone notice there was a brief 2
    second shot of the singer from Fishbone with Anthony Keidis(sp)
    ...........and the 2 brats from Kriss Kross need a slapping and sent to
    bed without any supper!
    
                                                 Staynz

    I saw the Nirvana bit and them smashing their instruments,and it wuz 
    very similar to a video i`ve got of The Who back in about 1968 on an
    American programme doing "My Generation". 
    
    The Who were a lot cooler,though. When the interviewer asked Keith 
    Moon wot his name wuz,he said "My friends call me Keith,but you can
    call me John" ho!ho!
    
    Aye,a load of crap basically.
    

    
    the kids are all right.  great movie!