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Title:HEAVY_METAL - Talent Round-Up DayDay
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673.0. "Cannibal Corpse" by CAVLRY::BUCK (Re-build the Racing Whippets!) Mon Dec 30 1991 16:54

    I heard one of Duy's tapes this past weekend...Canibal Corpse.  
    
    Very cool!
    
    Like speed metal band with grunge vocals!  i really kind of liked it.
    
    Duy, how bout some more info on these dudes!?!?!?
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673.1MILKWY::LEInvertedcrossandgivepraisetoSatanTue Dec 31 1991 08:4731
	This brutal deathgore band is from Buffalo, NY. was formed in December 
    of 88.  From the remains of two bands called "Tirant Sin + Beyond Death"  
    split up.  Bob, Chris and Paul were in Tirant Sin, Jack and Alex were in 
    Beyond Death.
	In 1990 released their debut album entitled "Eaten Back To Life".
    With their goriest and heaviest lyrics like: Splattered brains, Bloody
    Chunks, The Undead Will Feast, A Skull Full Maggots and etc......They 
    combine shredding guitars with speed and a vocalist that simply kills 
    to create an extremely brutal death metal album.  And the album cover
    about the dude is Alfred Packer, the first convicted cannibal in the 
    U.S.  People say he ate his buddies on a camping trip so he could stay 
    alive.  Then the government f**ed him over for it and now he's back 
    from the dead right on their (Cannibal Corpse) grisly album cover.  
    He's putting himself back together with all the dead people splattered 
    all over the place.  Anyway, pretty cool cover though.  I have that 
    picture on my jeans jacket since that album just came out back to 90.
	After the release of their second album "Butchered At Birth", a 
    concept album inspired thirteenth century child killer Baron Gilles de 
    Rais.  The album has been banned in several countries including the U.S.
    Now the album is being sold with special censored package.  But that
    didn't stop the diehards from snatching it off the shelves, making it
    the third top selling indie album of October.  They will also start
    touring the states pretty soon with Atheist (Technical death metal) 
    from Florida and other death band from Canada.

    -Dle
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673.2Wanna go, F-dot?CAVLRY::BUCKRe-build the Racing Whippets!Tue Dec 31 1991 09:311
    Keeop me informed...I'd go see this band!
673.3MRVAX::CESCOBARPeace Sells...But Who's Buying?Tue Dec 31 1991 09:362
    
    I'll go, if I can mosh the night away...;')
673.4MILKWY::LEInvertedcrossandgivepraisetoSatanTue Dec 31 1991 10:379
    Re: .2
    
    I'll let you know when and where.....
    
    -Dle
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673.5cept.. what was he saying?POWDML::GOLDBERGthunderheadTue Dec 31 1991 11:047
    
    
    I thought the vocals on this band were really cool!
    
    
    
    Goddess F.
673.6SUBURB::COOKSJail Nelson MandelaMon Jan 06 1992 07:565
    I think the lyrics are very creative,and generate a feeling of hope
    in a desolate world. Er,probably.
    
    Joe Strummer.
     
673.7What lyricsUSWRSL::BOUCHER_ROTue Jan 07 1992 10:116
    
    HAY MAN,the is name is Rog.Just saying cool lyrics from good old cal.
     A little doormented but kind of fun.
    
    
                               For now later From little california.
673.8fwiwPOWDML::GOLDBERGall I want is a remedyTue Apr 28 1992 15:148
    
    
    "Coconuts" on Route 9, Framingham has both of these guys tapes for sale
    along with along of other death stuff.
    
    
    
    Goddess F.
673.9KDX200::ROBRDaybreak at the bottom of a lake...Fri Nov 04 1994 15:3413
    
    well, the first thing that happened this vacation is that alan and I
    bumped into duy and his family (btw duy, you have a cute sister :')
    :')) at our departure gate...  strange.  got to milwaukee (where death
    metal fest is always held) and saw cannibal corpse was playing.  it was
    a sign...
    
    
    these guys were AWESOME!!!!!  we had no idea what to expect, but they
    were almost as tight as slayer live and the music was VERY similar to
    old slayer.  Sorin, you would LOVE these guys.
    
    
673.10they roolPOWDML::BUCKLEYI know all about the honor of God...Sat Nov 05 1994 13:343
    I actually _like_ Cannibal Corpse.  Duy turned me onto them one time,
    and I really dus the music -- very heavy and intense ... yeah, not
    unlike OLD slayer.  I also really dig the vocals ... very heavy.
673.11They're heavy sh.tMILKWY::LEAsTearOfBloodStainTheAltarOfChristTue Nov 08 1994 09:0417
    Re: Rob
	Where did you and Alan see them at, the Eagles?  How were Samael and 
    Grave live on that night?  Did you guys find the Unicorn Club?  If I know 
    you guys come to that show.  All you have to do just come up to Jack 
    (guitarist) or their tour manager, say you guys friend of me.  That's way 
    don't have to pay.


    Re: Buck
   	I remember that, at Pete's party.

    -Dle
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673.12KDX200::ROBRDaybreak at the bottom of a lake...Tue Nov 08 1994 11:4112
    
    couldnt remember if those were the guys you knew....
    
    we missed grave and sammael, came in about 20 minutes into cannibal (we
    did haggle with the guy at the door though and got half off :'))
    
    wtf was the name of that club... um....  actually, it was in chicago we
    saw them.  ended up at a bunch of places in milwaukee...  the
    safehouse, wolski's, rosies and a crapload of places around the river.
    we just picked up papers to find who was playing where and just ended
    up running for chicago for last call a couple of times :').
    
673.13MILKWY::LEAsTearOfBloodStainTheAltarOfChristTue Nov 08 1994 12:1417
     Re: Rob,
    
       If you were in Chicago, the only few places that heavy bands come
    through: 
    
	* AVALON
	* THE HOTHOUSE
	* LOUNGE AX
	* OAK THEATER 
	* Q101 FESTIVAL

    -Dle
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673.14KDX200::ROBRDaybreak at the bottom of a lake...Tue Nov 08 1994 18:4111
    
    beats the hell out of me... all i can remember is driving down 294 west
    until we hit harlem, going north a few blocks, then west a few blocks.
    
    btw, saw the funniest damned paper in milwaukee.  it was all satire. 
    one of the horoscopes said (we laughed about this one ALL week)
    
    you will need to cook pancakes for breakfast because rocker yngwie
    malmsteen is coming over for breakfast and he's definately going to
    want some pancakes.
    
673.15just for reading!SUBPAC::GOLDIEZed's dead,baby...!Tue Nov 08 1994 21:34251
...and on the subject of Cannibals....;^)


Subject: Scottish Cannibals

I'd like to dedicate this piece to Craig Cockburn, the most prolific 
Scotsman who I have NEVER met, on this newsgroup!
 
 This is an interesting story about the darker side of celtic culture, and 
being irish, I can smirk at the eating habits of some of my Scottish 
brethren. The story comes from "The Worlds Strangest Crimes", by C.E. Maine. 
 Anyway, here it is. A little early Christmas gift to all you chaps in Alba.
 
 "The People Eaters"
 From time to time in the course of human history natural depravity plumbs 
new depths--and not only during wars. The Sawney Beane case in the early 
seventeenth century concerned a family that lived in a cave and chose 
murder, cannibalism, and incest as its way of life. For twenty-five years 
this family, rejecting all accepted standards of human behaviour and 
morality, carried on a viscious guerilla war against humanity. Even a 
medieval world accustomed to torture and violence was horrified.
 Because over the years a large family was ultimately inolved, most of whom 
had been born and raised in fantastic conditions under which they accepted 
such an existence as normal, taking their standars from the criminal 
behaviour of their parents, the case raises some interesting legal and moral 
issues. Retribution when it finally came was quick and merciless, but for 
many of the forty-eight Beanes who were duly put to death it may have been 
unjust.
  The case is simple enough, though scarcely credible, and has been well 
authenticated. Sawney Beane was a Scot, born within a few miles of Edinburgh 
in the reign of James VI of Scotland, who was also James I of England. His 
father worked the land, and Sawney was no doubt brought up to follow the 
same hard working but honourable career. But Sawney soon discovered that 
honest work of any kind was not his natural metier. At a very early age he 
began to exhibit what today would be regarded as delinquent traits. He was 
lazy, cunning and viscious, and resentful of authority of any kind.
  As soon as he was old enough to look after himself he decided to leave 
home and live on his wits. They were to serve him well for many years. He 
took with him a young woman of an equally irresponsible and evil 
disposition, and they went to set up "home" together on the Scottish coast 
by Galloway.
  Home turned out to be a cave in a cliff by the sea, with a strip of yellow 
sand as a forecourt when the tide was out. It was a gigantic cave, 
penetrating more than a mile into the solid rock of the rather wild 
hinterland, with many tortuous windings and side passages. A short way from 
the enterance of the cave all was complete darkness. Twice a day at high 
tide several hundred yards of the cave's entrance passage were flooded, 
which formed a deterrent to intruders. In this dark damp hole they decided 
to make their home. It seemed unlikely that they would ever be discovered.
  In practice, the cave proved to be a lair rather than a home, and from 
this lair Sawney Beane launched a reign of terror which was to last for a 
quarter of a century. It was Sawney's plan to live on the proceeds of 
robbery, and it proved to be a simple enough matter to ambush travellers on 
the lonely narrow roads connecting nearby villages. In order to ensure that 
he could never be indentified and tracked down, Sawney made a point of 
murdering his victims.
  His principle requirement was money with which he could buy food at the 
villaige shops and markets, but he also stole jewellery, watches, clothing, 
and any other articles of practical or potential value. He was shrewd enough 
not to attempt to sell valuables which might be recognized; these were 
simply stock-piled in the cave as unrealizeable assets.
  Although the stock-pile grew, the money gained from robbery and murder was 
not sufficeint to maintain even the Sawney Beanes modest standard of living. 
People in that wild part of Scotland were not in the habit of carrying a 
great deal of money on their persons. Sawney's problem, as a committed 
troglodyte, was how to obtain enough food when money was in short supply and 
any attempt to sell stolen valuables taken from the murdered victims might 
send him to the gallows. He chose the simple answer. Why waste the bodies of 
the people he had killed? Why not eat them?
  This he and his wife proceeded to do. After an ambush on a nearby coastal 
road he dragged the body back to the cave. There, deep in the Scottish 
bedrock, in the pallid light of a tallow candle, he and his wife 
disembowelled and dismembered his victim. The limbs and edible fish were 
dried, salted and pickled, and hung on improvised hooks around the walls of 
the cave to start a larder of human meat on which they were to survive, 
indeed thrive, for more than two decades. The bones were stacked in another 
part of the cave system.
  Naturally, these abductions created intense alarm in the area. The 
succession of murders had been terrifying enough, but the complete 
disappearance of people travelling alone along the country roads was 
demoralizing. Although determined efforts were made to find the bodies of 
the victims and their killer, Sawney was never discovered. The cave was too 
deep and complex for facile exploration. Nobody suspected that the unseen 
marauder of Galloway could possibly live in a cave which twice a day was 
flooded with water. And nobody imagined for a moment that the missing people 
were, in fact, being eaten.
  The Sawney way of life settled down into a pattern. His wife began to 
produce children, who were brought up in the cave. The family were by no 
means confined to the cave. Now that the food problem had been 
satisfactorily solved, the money stolen from victims could be used to buy 
other essentials. From time to time they were able to venture cautiously and 
discreetly into nearby towns and villages on shopping expeditions. At not 
time did they arouse suspicion. In themselves they were unremarkable people, 
as in the case with most murders, and they were never challenged or 
identified.
  On the desolate foreshore in front of the cave the children of the Beane 
family no doubt saw the light of day, and played and excercised and built up 
their strength while father or mother kept a look-out for 
intruders--perhaps as potential fodder for the larder.
  The killings and cannibalism became habit. It was survival, it was normal, 
it was a job. Under these incredible conditions Sawney and his wife produced 
a family of fourteen children, and as they grew up the children in turn, by 
incest, produced a second generation of eight grandsons and fourteen 
grandaughters. In such a manner must the earliest cavemen have existed and 
reproduced their kind, though even they did not eat each other.
  It is astonishing that with so many children and, eventually, adolescents 
milling around in and close to the cave somebody did not observe this 
strange phenomenon and investigate. The chances are that they did, from time 
to time--that they investigated too closely and were murdered and eaten. The 
Sawney children were no doubt brought up to regard other humans as food.
  The young Sawneys received no education, except in the arts of primitive 
speech, murder and cannibal cuisine. They developed as a self-contained 
expanding colony of beasts of prey, with their communal appetite growing 
ever bigger and more insatiable. As the children became adults they were 
encouraged to join in the kidnappings and killings. The Sawney gang swelled 
its ranks to a formidable size. Murder and abduction became refined by years 
of skill and experience to a science, if not an art.
  Despite the alarming increase in the number of Sawney mouths which had to 
be fed, the family were seldom short of human flesh in the larder. 
Sometimes, havign too much food in store, they were obliged to discard 
portions of it as putrefaction set in despite the saltling and pickling. 
Thus it happened that from time to time at remote distances from the cave, 
in open country or washed up on the beach, curiously preserved but decaying 
human remains would be discovered. Since these grisly objects consisted of 
severed limbs and lumps of dried flesh, they were never identified, nor was 
it possible to estimate when death had taken place, but it soon became 
obvious to authority that they were connected with the long list of missing 
people. And authority, at first disbelieving, began to realize with 
gathering the nature of what was happening. Murder and dismemberment were 
one thing, but the salting and pickling of human flesh impled something far 
more sinister.
  The efforts made to trace the missing persons and hunt down their killers 
resulted in some unfortunate arrests and executions of innocent people who 
se only crime was that they had been the last to see the victim before his, 
or her, disappearance. The Sawney family, securing in their cave, remained 
unsuspected and undiscovered.
 Years went by. The family grew older and bigger and more hungry. The 
programme of abduction and murder was organized on a more ambitious scale. 
It was simly a matter of supply and demand--the logistics of a troglodyte 
operation. Sometimes as many as six men and women would be ambushed and 
killed at at time by a dozen or more Sawney's. Their bodies were always 
dragged back to the cave to be prepared by the women for the larder.
  It seems strange that nobody ever escaped to provide the slightest clue to 
identify the domicle of his attackers, but the Sawney's conducted their 
ambushes like military operations, with "guards" concealed by the road at 
either side of the main centre of attack to cut down any quarry that had the 
temerity to run for it. This "three-pronged" operation proved effective; 
there were no survivors. And although mass-searches were carried out to 
locate the perpetrators of these massacres, nobody ever thought of searching 
the deep cave. It was passed by on many occasions.
  Such a situation could not continue indefinitely, however. Inevitably 
there had to be a mistake--just one clumsy mistake that would deliver the 
Sawney Beane family to the wrath and vengance of outraged society. The 
mistake, when it happened, was simple enough--the surprising thing was that 
it had not happened earlier. For the first time in 25 years the Sawney's, 
through bad judgement and bad timing, allowed themselves to be outnumbered, 
though even that was not the end of the matter. Retribution when it finally 
came was in the grand manner, with the King himself talking part in the end 
game--the pursuit and annihilation of the Sawney Beane tribe.
  It happened this way. One night a pack of the Sawney Beanes attacked a man 
and his wife who were returning on horse-back from a nearby fair. They 
seized the woman first, and while they were still struggling to dismount the 
man had her stripped and disembowelled, ready to be dragged off to the cave. 
The husband, driven beserk by the swift atrocity and realizing that he was 
hopelessly outnumbered by utterly ruthless fiends, fought desperately to 
escape. In the vicious engagement some of the Sawney's were trampled 
underfoot.
  But he, too, would have been taken and murdered had not a group of other 
riders, some twenty or more, also returning from the fair, arrived 
unexpected on the scene. For the first time the Sawney Beanes found 
themselves at a disadvantage, and discovered that courage was not their most 
prominent virtue. After a brief violent skirmish they abandoned the fight 
and scurried like rats back to their cave, leaving the mutilated body of the 
woman behind, and a score of witnesses. The incident was to be the Sawney's 
first and last serious error of tactics and policy.
  The man, the only one on record known to have escaped from a Sawney 
ambush, was taken to the Chief Magistrate of Glasgow to describe his 
harrowing experience. This evidence was the break through for which the 
magistrate had been waiting for a long time. The long catalogue of missing 
people and pickled human remains seemed to be reaching its final page and 
denouement; a gang of men an youths were involved, and had been involved for 
years, and they had to be tracked down. They obviously lived locally, in the 
Galloway area, and past discoveries suggested that they were cannibals. THe 
disembowelled woman proved the point, if proof were needed.
  The matter was so serious that the Chief Magistrate communicated directly 
with King James VI and the King apparently took an equally serious view, for 
when he went in person to Galloway with a small army of four hundred armed 
men and a host of tracker dogs, the Sawney Beanes were in trouble.
  The King, with his officers and retinue, and he assistance of local 
volunteers, set out systematically on one of the biggest manhunts in 
history. They explored the entire Galloway countryside and coast--and 
discovered nothing. When patrolling the shore they would have walked past 
the partly waterlogged cave itself had not the dogs, scenting the faint 
odour of death and decay, started baying and howling and trying to splash 
their way into the dark interior.
  This seemed to be it. The pursuers took no chances. They knew they were 
dealing with vicious, ruthless men who had been in the murder business for a 
long time. With flaming torches to provide a flickering light, and swords at 
the ready, they advanced cautiously but methodically along the narrow 
twisting passenges of the cave. In due course they reached the charnel house 
at the end of the the mile-deep cave that was the home and operational base 
of the Sawney Beane cannibals.
  A dreadful sight greeted their eyes. Along the damp walls of the cave 
human limbs and cuts of bodies, male and female, were hung in rows like 
carcasses of meat in a butchers cold room. Elsewhere they found bundles of 
clothing and piles of valuables, including watches, rings and jewellery. In 
an adjoining cavern there was a heap of bones collected over some twenty 
five years.
  The entire Sawney Beane family, all forty-eight of them, were in 
residence; they were lying low, knowing that an army four hundred strong was 
on their tail. There was a fight, but for the Sawney's there was  literally 
no escape. The exit from the cave was blocked with armed men who meant 
business. They were trapped and duly arrested. With the King himself still 
in attendance they were marched to Edinburgh--but not for trial. Cannibals 
such as the Sawneys did not merit the civlized amenities of judge and jury. 
The prisoners numbered twenty seven men and twenty one women of which all 
but two, the original parents, had been convceived and brought up as 
cave-dwellers, raised from childhood on human flesh, and taught that robbery 
and murder were the normal way of life. For this wretched incestuous horde 
of Scottish cannibals there was to be no mercy, and no pretence of justice   
if every any one of them merited justice.
  The Sawney Beanes of both sexes were condemned to death in an arbitrary 
fashion because their crimes over a generation of years were adjudged to be 
so infamous and offensive as to preclude the normal process of law, evidence 
and jurisdiction. They were outcasts of society and had no rights, even the 
youngest and most innocent of them.
  All were executed the following day, in accordance with the conventions 
and procedures of the age. The men were dismembered, just as they had 
dismembered their victims. Their arms and legs were cut off while they were 
still alive and conscious, and they were left to bleed to death, watched by 
their women. And then the women were burned like witches in great fires.
  At not time did any one of them express remorse or repentance. BUt, on the 
other hand, it must be remembered that the children and grandchildren of 
Sawney Beane and his wife had been brought up to accept the cave dwelling 
cannibalistic life as normal. They had known no other life, and in a very 
real sense they had been well and truly "brain-washed", in modern 
terminology. They were isolated from society, and their moral and ethical 
standards were those of Sawney Beane himself. He was the father figure and 
mentor in a small tightly integrated community. They were trained to regard 
murder and cannibalism as right and normal, and they saw no wrong in it.
  It poses the question as to how much of morality is the product of the 
environment and training, and ho wmuch is (or should be) due to some 
instinctive but indefinable inner voice of, perhaps, conscience. Did the 
young members of the Beane clan know that what they were doing was wrong?
  Whether they knew or not, they paid the supreme penalty just the same.
 
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							Ian
673.16BUSY::FISED::SLABOUNTYThailboat!!Wed Nov 09 1994 06:185
    
    	Disgusting, but fascinating.
    
    							GTI
    
673.17POWDML::BUCKLEYI know all about the honor of God...Wed Nov 09 1994 07:291
    That was great!!
673.18SUBPAC::GOLDIEZed's dead,baby...!Wed Nov 09 1994 12:576
    I thoguht so too|! 8)
    
    
    
    
    				ian
673.19GOES11::HOUSEHow could I have been so blind?Wed Nov 09 1994 13:074
    This could only happen in Scotland, where all the residents have the
    appearance of having lived in a cave for the last 20 years.
    
    gh
673.20SUBPAC::GOLDIEZed's dead,baby...!Wed Nov 09 1994 13:1810
    only big,girls blouses live in houses....*real* men live in caves! 
    
    
    
    
    
    eh....that doesn't sound right! v8)
    
    
    
673.21alive and kicking @AYOAYOV25::JFOSTERFri Nov 11 1994 03:127
mr beane's ancestors are still at large, living in their cave
just a few miles from digital,Ayr , where they prey on unfortunate 
engineers 8^{.

They call themselves mr manager now ;^)....

jim  
673.22POWDML::BUCKLEYI know all about the honor of God...Fri Nov 11 1994 07:101
    What happened to the cave??
673.23AwesomeKAOFS::C_MENENDEZCARLOS, SOO ONT C. SERVICES (705)946-3631Tue May 02 1995 08:017
    	I picked up a copy of the "birth" CD. Awesome!!
    
    	I only wonder why on all these kind of musical efforts the drummers
    seem to be a little bit off beat? It's almost like they counter the
    rest of the band. It's a neat effect...
    
    	Carlos
673.24POWDML::BUCKLEYTue May 02 1995 14:431
    CC roolz!