Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    Sounds like a poseur band name...are they poseur?

    Will soon findout.............................///

    ...they're another band out of Seattle...they've been getting alot of
    play due to the recent success of several of that cities
    bands....they're not remotely close to being a "poseur" (as so many 
    like to overuse) band.....i can't really categorize them, so i'll
    leave that to someone else.........../k
    

The band's name is actually Pearl Jam (one "m"). They are NOT a poseur
band at all!!! They're quite good, as a matter of fact. They're from the
Seattle area, and rose out of the ashes of two bands up there (Mother
Love Bone, and one other one I forget).

The album is very cool, one of my favorites of the year. I know some noters
in here (Paul?) saw them open for the Red Hot Chili Peppers, so maybe we
can get a review from them?

alan

    Yeah, to echo what other people have been saying, they are definately
    NOT a poseur outfit, more like heavy alternative in my way of thinking.  
    
    I know Paul has met them and said he enjoyed their show with the RHCPs
    recently.  He also has their album, but I'll let him post his own
    review...
    
    I've seen a video by them recently and thought it was very good (the
    music, who cares about the video).
    
    gh, who wants to get the album

    Seattle bands are good, might be one of Queensrych's soldiers.
     

  >>   -< in fact, poseur-lovers probably wouldn't like it >-  
    
            You got that right!
    
             Frizkid
    

    Jet City Women gonna be the next new band from seattle,
    What a cool name..........but Queensrych always rule them.

    
    	I believe the other band besides Mother Love Bone was Green River.
    	
    	I forgot which original member died and from which band.
    
    	I may be confusing all this with Temple of Dogs.
    
    	- Jim

    The lead singer of Mother Love Bone died of an overdose...  I think
    there's even a topic discussing them in here somewhere.
    
    gh

    
    The lead singer from Mother Love Bone died before the album
    even got released. He was insecure whether the album was 
    gonna be good. 
    MLB album is worth buying. It is good. Lead singer OD'ed.
    Pearl Jam is definetly worth buying.
    
    bill
    

    Yeah, just checked and the Mother Love Bone topic is note number 65. 
    Check it out if you're into 'em.
    
    gh

    
    	You mean I misssed something? ( Yea, note #65)
    

    	Re: Jim Z.

    	I'm pretty sure Pearl Jam is ex-members of Mother Love Bone and 
    Temple of the Dog.  


    	Re: Greg

    	Actually, it wasn't me who met them but my "friend" from Newbury
    Comics. 8^)  BTW, I don't think she works there anymore. 8^(   She 
    mentioned the band drove around the city with food to give to the 
    homeless. 

    	
    	Unfortunately, I only heard a few songs from PJ when they played
    with RHCP.  What I heard was good though so I got the cd.  It's
    excellent!  The lyrics cover some serious topics but aren't too
    depressing or overloaded with PC'ness.  I'm terrible at describing a 
    band's sound but...  music is hard r&r/singer has a cool soulful 
    style.

    	
    Paul

I have heard Pearl Jam *A LOT* on Mtv.

The song being played is called 'Alive', personally I don't like it.
People say that they are the next 'Nirvana' (A Alternative/Heavy group
that becomes popular overnight).

I don't know about that...   Then again I don't care for Nirvana that
much either.

But Pearl Jam and Nirvana are too alternative for my tastes...


						-Seth

    
    
    	The only reason Pearl Jam is being labeled "alternative" is 'cause 
    they're from Seattle, me thinks.   IMO, they don't have an "alternative" 
    sound.
    
    	
    Paul

	I don't care really, where they are from, I don't like the song
	'Alive' at all.  I find the lead singer quite annoying.  I think
	that he is annoying no matter where he is from... 8)  I would
	like to hear more before I judge the whole band as being bad..


							-Seth

    So go buy it Sethypoo!  Take a chance.
    
    My opinion:  They're cool.  
    
    But what else is new??
    
    'pril

    
    
    
    	>>I don't care really, where they are from, I don't like the song
    
    	
    	Maybe that'll be a new trend!  "They're from Eastfumbuck... I don't
    like them."
    
    
    Paul
        	
    	

    re-1
    
     You should take the god of doom's name in vain...Buck will be very
    mad!!
                  8)
    
     Frizkid
    

re:    'pril


	Yeah, but you like RHCP and Nirvana too!!!  Which shows that
	your tastes are quite different from mine.

	(not to meantion Hard Corps  8)


							-Sethypooh

    Hey Sethy-Poop,	
    
    >Yeah, but you like RHCP and Nirvana too!!!  Which shows that	
    >your tastes are quite different from mine.
    
    Hallelujah to THAT, bud!  Nirvana is *ok*, but RHCP suck imvho!
    
    Buck, who likes TNT & The Monkees!
    

    
    
    
    Oh yeah, that's where axl looked familiar from. I remember seein' a
    monkey video awhile back, and he's doin' a prehistoric Rose dance... 
    
    
    Chris

    >Oh yeah, that's where axl looked familiar from. I remember seein' a
    >monkey video awhile back, and he's doin' a prehistoric Rose dance... 
    
    Exactly!  That's where Axl snaked it from!!

    What I read in here I don't think they are my type either.
    
    Jennifer Betten that's what I like............//////

    I heard "Alive" again on the radio last night and have decided that I
    really like it!  
    
    Greg

    
    
    I heard a song last night on the radio by Pearl Jam.
    
    I think its wicked boring.
    
    
    
    Goddess F.

    
    	Newbury Comics (Boston-area) was given out free tapes with a
    	purchase yesterday.  It wasn't the new album though, I didn't
    	really look too close at it.  I didn't purchase anything either.
    
    	- Jim

    TEMPLE OF THE DOG is a colabiration between PEARL JAM and SOUNDGARDEN.
    
    The lead singers of SOUNDGARDEN and MOTHER LOVE BONE were college
    roommates, I think.  PEARL JAM is the ex-members of MOTHER LOVE
    BONE.
    
    That's why they formed TEMPLE OF THE DOG for that one album.
    
    Sonny

    
    Is Pearl Jam's album "TEN" released in the U.K. yet ???
    
    
    
    EWAN 

    
    I saw some kind of promo in our price this week so I shoudl imagine so.
    

    
    
    
    	I bought the single and really liked both songs on it...
    
    	So I'm gonna buy the album when i see it!
    
    
    	Thanks....
    
    				EWAN

    
    	I vaguely recall the UK release being named slightly different and I 
    	don't know if it's an EP or same tracks.
    
    	- Jim

    I heard "Even Flow" on Z-Rock the other night.  I was surprised at how
    well it meshed in with the surrounding songs.  I wouldn't have expected
    Pearl Jam to be Z-Rock material, but it fit in really well!
    
    That's a cool song, I like it better then "Alive" (which I also
    like...)
    
    gh

    
    	In general (or generally I try to think) iI think it's a person's
    	own fault if they begin to dislike a song because it gets overplayed
    	on the radio (change the station or don't listen) but in some cases 
    	we have no control.  I've been getting tried of hearing nothing but 
    	"Alive" in reCorD stores and in the clubs.
    
    	- Jim

    I haven't gotten burned out on "Alive" yet, but the thing that bugs me
    is that there are several songs on the album equally as good, so why is
    that one getting all the airplay?  I thought the days of releasing
    "singles" were over...
    
    gh

    
    A friend of mine has bought me the "ten" album so I'll get to listen
    to it tonight! I hope it's a cool album!
    
    I'll see.....it's new over here! (u.k.)
    
    
    Ewan
    
    

    
    U+YEs I was going to mention that I saw the album in the shops today,
    but I was held up elsewhere....dow the pub.
    
    8^)
    
    

    
    
    U+YEs  ????
    
    	something to do with me ????
    
    
    Ewan.

    
    NAh, someone;leaving do......8^)
    
    

    
    
    Well..... I got the album and after listening to it for just the
    weekend, I can safely say that i like it! It's different and i think
    exciting. The songs are based more on a vibe than a framework, I mean
    there's not much format to them� (i.e. Verse/chorus/verse/etc) It's
    kinda wierd. Some times they remind of bands like Love/Hate but the
    lyrics are weirder, (definatly more drugs involved!!)
    
    
    EWAN

    I really like Pearl Jam's lyrics.  They say something, or paint a
    picture for you without getting into the same tired cliches that a lot
    of bands use, overuse, and keep using.  There are some pretty strong
    social statements in 'em too.
    
    Perhaps some of their words are influenced by illegal substances, but I
    wouldn't say that's required to write this sort of thing.  I know that
    I've written some things in a similar style in the past and I didn't
    have any drugs to "help" me.  I write most of my material first thing
    in the morning, and some of it's real weird.  Definately no drugs
    involved (except maybe a few sips of coffee).
    
    gh

    
    
    Pearl Jam  will be at Axis on Wed. April 8th at 10:00pm.
    
    Tickets are available at Newbury Comics.

    What did you hear, Pete?
    
    gh

    I like it tons.I didn't at first but changes my mind after a while.
    
    
    staynz

    I also found this to be one I had to listen to several times to get
    into it.
    
    gh

    Well....I guess I have to give up my PIHOS crown since I've been
    listening to Pearl Jam.  Let me explain...
    I saw the UNPLUGGED video of "Alive" and it was really cool but I still
    wasn't ready to listen......Then I saw that Kurt Cobain hated the band
    so I went and bought the album....8)
    
     I like it for the most part....Alive and Evenflow are the hot spots
    on the album.
    Plus I love screaming "SON...HAVE I GOT A LITTLE STORY FOR YOU" at the
    top of my lungs in that deep voice.
    
    Call me weird but I give it a thumb and half up...
    
            Frizkid
    

    FRizz!?#??.....You like a Seattle band?? Thats ironic...Pearl Jam is
    the one Seattle band I dont like (I like the tune Alive)..........
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Maybe........Soundgarden next  :*)
    
    Bob

    AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! I knew I'd get reamed for this but I guess
    I deserve it.  I should just be lucky that Greg isn't here.
    
    I don't consider Pearl Jam a Seatle band really..Know why?
    They sound good!!!!!!! 8)
    
      Dude...I've already made up my mind about Sound'crap'Garden when I
    feel asleep listening to it.  BORING!!!!!!
    
             I don't mind Frizpose but DON'T EVEN say Friz"GARDEN"!!!!!!!
    
        Talk about puke.....8)
    
           Frizkid
    

    Ok..Ok...No Frizgarden, but I cant beleive you like Pearljam...I still
    think someday you will like SG...BTW-how's the auto
    
    Bob
    

	I find it interesting that the ball had vid's from L7, Rockgarden, 
	Nirvana, Pearl Jam, etc. 

	- Jim

	FRIZ?!?!?!?!?!!??!?!? WHAT HAPPENED?!?!?!?!!?

	You have disappointed me so, I thought we were blood brothers!!


					-Sethypooh/The only surviving memeber
							of PIHOS!!!!

    No, Seth-E-Pooh, I'm still an active member of PIHOS!
    8^)
    
    
    You're just the remaining member of the HMBP (which is gladly defunct
    [thank god!]).

	HMBP is still alive, just not as active!!! right 'pril!!! ;^)


	So you wanna joing my club eh Buck????  What qualifications
	do you have? How do you feel about?
	PJ? 
	SG?
	My sisters machine?
	Alice in Chains?


							-Seth/pres of PIHOS

    >	HMBP is still alive, just not as active!!! right 'pril!!! ;^)

    NOT...tis defunct, naive!

    >	So you wanna joing my club eh Buck????  What qualifications
    >	do you have?
    
    Get real, Louise...I joined PIHOS a *looooong* time ago!!!  I was
    one of the original members!!!
    
    > How do you feel about?
    >	PJ? 
    >	SG?
    >	My sisters machine?
    >	Alice in Chains?

    Hated it!
    
    

>    NOT...tis defunct, naive!
	Nope, it is just quiet, not defunct.....

>    Get real, Louise...I joined PIHOS a *looooong* time ago!!!  I was
>    one of the original members!!!
	NEGATIVE!!!!!!   Friz and I founded the group, and kept it
	quite for a LONG time before we anounced it!!!  You only
	become a member if *I* let you!!! 
   
>    Hated it!
 
	Yer in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


						-Seth/Pres of PIHOS   
    

    HEY!!! I'm not resigning or anything.....
    
    I still hate every other Seatle band with a hot fire passion.
    I was just resigning the crown to you POSESETH....
       I will not let you down on any other Seatle bands...That is a
    promise!
    
    HMBP:We shall live forever.....Plus I'm the founding member of that one
    and it will NOT die until *I* say for I am God in here. 8) 8) 8)
     Buck...What made you think it was defunct?
    Just because I do my your/you're right doesn't mean I'm not a BRAT 
    anymore....Sheezzz
    

	I will keep you as a member Friz, but you are on parrol and
	you have been demoted to a newbie....  You lose!!!


	PIHOS forever!!!!1


	(I told you aobut HMBP Buck!!!!  8^P )

							-Seth

    Oh thanks seth God...Sheezz!
    Newbie?  NOT!!! I just step down a notch.....8)
     I said I don't consider PJ a Seatle band because they don't suck.
    I figure it this way....If Kurt Cobain hates the band I will support
    them to the fullest because I HATE HATE HATE them Nirvana dorks.
    
           All HAIL PIHOS!!!!!! Seatle blows hard!!
    
          HMBP will live forever Buckstein!
    
              Frizkid
    

	PJ is one Friz, whether you want to count them as one or not.

	PJ has the Seatle sound...


	The only Seatle group I know that doesn't is QR!!!


						-Seth

    What the hail difference does it make where a band is from?
    

	KS It makes a *BIG* difference!!!

	Coz all those bands have the 'SEATLE' sounds that is
	very difinative to that area!!!


						-Seth

	Some of you will also be saying North Carolina sucks (or maybe it does
	already and I missed it!) some day.

	Some of the comments sound as ridiculous as some of the people who
	might think "Lets get Rocked" is representative of ALL metal (just
	using that as an example, not picking on that song) or simply saying 
	all metal is the same.  Would any of you consider these ignorant
	statements?

	I think I know what is meant by a particular sound coming out of an 
	area so this could make where someone is from some what meaningful but
	I don't think this implies that they all sound the same, sure they
	may have more in common than being from the same area and the fact
	some bands are made up from members from other bands matters.

	Monkeywrench for example, is made up of folks from Mudhoney and some
	other folks (forget) but they sound more like a revamped Yardbirds
	to me than Seattle sound/style.

	- Jim

    I like Pearl Jam a lot, no matter where they're from.  Nice to hear
    that Friz and I actually agree on something for a change.
    
    I can't see all the "competation" about music, Kurt Cobain's comments
    about Pearl Jam are a perfect example of that and I think it sucks. 
    Maybe he doesn't like their music, and that's fine, but saying you
    don't like a band because of their business ethic is really nasty.  He
    thinks Pearl Jam is jumping on a bandwagon and compromising their sound
    to sell more albums and I completely disagree.  PJ has a LOT of
    intensity in their music, it just kind of seeths with it.  I heard some
    songs by Green River (the band that most of the members of PJ were in
    before PJ) and they sounded very similar.
    
    But Friz, I do think that just because someone you don't like said he
    didn't like an album is a pretty p*ss poor reason for buying it.
    
    gh (who buys what he likes)

    Greg: I was being a smart-@ss.   I saw them on Mtv Unplugged and was
    really immpressed.  So I bought it...
    
             Frizkid
    

	I wonder though how much of the comments are just plain b.s. -
	like his saying how much he dislikes the Melvins on a radio
	interview which is simply B.S.  They opened for them on their
	last tour (not that it means anything - it seems Sweredriver/
	Soundgarden camps aren't necessarily assisting one another
	or more possibly their managements.)   Also, he made one of
	his first demos with Buzz and supposedly this is the person
	who turned him on to music other than that of which was easily
	accessible in some areas.

	- Jim

    re: Jim
    
    Could well be, Cobain's definately known for that (saying things in
    interviews which are completely untrue).  I don't think he's to be
    taken seriously (at least not his interviews).
    
    gh

    I think he's down on everything....
       Then he gets confused because of his situation.
      He not handling fame very well but who does?
    
            Frizkid
    

   <<< Note 657.56 by MPGS::HOWES "Now I'm safe in the eye of the tornado" >>>

    
    }} 	HMBP is still alive, just not as active!!! right 'pril!!! ;^)
    
    Uh, right!  8)
    
    'pril (just a little behind...literally guys...;)

    btw, wtf's a pihos?

    It's like "persons in hatred of seattle" or something equally silly.

	HEY!!! 'Pril is alive!!!

	How are you doing?!?!?!!?!?


					-Seth

    Hey Seth!  *8)  
    
    Hey Mikey, review's coming next week, promise!
       
    Seattle bands rule though...Pearl Jam is merely 1 in a sea of hundreds
    thow.

    "Obfuscate",Mike?
    
    Man,I hadda open my"Websters"for that one..
    
                     Crazy_to_make_obscure_Al

    
    
    	I'll put this here since I think this is where the question
    originated.
    
    	Temple of the Dog lineup...
    
    		Matt Cameron - drums/percussion (Soundgarden)
    		Mike McCready - lead guitars (Pearl Jam)
    		Stone Gossard - rhythm, slide, acoustic guitars (MLB)
    		Jeff Ament - bass (MLB, Pearl Jam)
        	Chris Cornell - vocals/harmonica/banjo (Soundgarden)
    
    		Also appearing...
    
    		Rick Parashar - keyboards on some tunes (also performs 
    				on some of Pear Jam's stuff)
    		Eddie Vedder - backing vocals on some tunes (Pearl Jam)
    	
    
    Paul
        

>    		Stone Gossard - rhythm, slide, acoustic guitars (MLB)
    
    Paul, isn't Stone Gossard also in Pearl Jam?  I'm pretty sure he is.
    
    gh

    	Re: Greg


    	Ummmm... could be.  I looked at what I wrote down (copied from 
    the cd booklets) but I didn't have him playing w/ PJ.  Perhaps I
    copied incorrectly.  I'll find out for sure.
    
    
    Paul

	Stone is definitely in PJ! The San Jose Mercury reamed
	him up and down for not being "into" the gig last Friday.

	ld (just fyi ;-)

    
    
    	Re: Greg and ld
    
    	
    	Yup... youse twos are right.
    
    	
    Paul

    Better keep your facts up there, Paul, or you'll lose your reputation
    as a most informative noter.
    
    gh  ;^)

      My cousin lives in Seattle and they have a rotation of
    Queensryque (sp?), Pearl Jam, Sound Garden and that other new
    band from that area.  Ever since they all got nationwide
    play time.  They worship them out there.
    
    BJ

    
    
    	Re: Greg
    
    	8^)
    
    	I hope to redeem myself with the Gwar and TS info.
    
    
    Paul

    Can I redeem you for a toaster?
    
    gh

    
    
    	A 4-slicer, I hope.
    
    
    Paul

    With the "Bread Brain"!  We actually bought a friend of ours a toaster
    which claimed to have this feature a few years ago!
    
    gh

	I must admit I like one thing about Pearl Jam...



	In the video for their song 'Evenflow' near the beginning
	the singer is bopping around on stage, and he trips and
	falls on his butt!!!!   I *LOVE* it!!!  I cheered!!!!

	I HATE THEM!!!


							-Ragypooh

    
    
    
    
    				100 repliez!!!!!
    
    

	Only if the cigarettes are from Seattle Mike!!! ;^) hehehehe


						-Sethypooh

    re.99
    
    hahahaha!
    
    
                                               Staynz

    
    Pearl Jam has cancelled their Eurpoean tour and gone home...  8^)
    It is also rumoured that they are no longer....  8^)
    
    I think that deserves a beer to celebrate, don't you?
    
    Flip

re: -1 PARTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I think that sucks, I liked Pearl Jam!
    
    gh

Aren't Pearl Jam band members mutant offspring of Soundgarden?

-andy

    re: Andy
    
    No.
    
    gh

gh,

	Thanks for clearing that up, I was confused.  ;^)

-andy

    Always happy to be of assistance.
    ;^)

    But they WERE a classic case of inbreeding.
    
               Friz
    

    
    #1 album in Boston this week!
    -Boston Globe/Billboard
    
    It's about time something good hit numero uno.  
    (Followed closely by Kriss Kross)
    
    S

    You'd think with a number 1 album the guy(Eddie) could afford a decent
    haircut instead of that stuuuuuupid bob-cut he has in the new video.
    
              Friz
    

    
    Hey Friz-
    
    Compare your bank accounts...then laugh at his hair.  ;-}
    
    S

    8)  According to Bob that would make me SUPERIOR!!
    Because people with money SUCK....BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    
             Mine has a five in it...What does he have?  8)
    
     I like Pearl Jam but that new video for Jeremy is TRES LAME.
    
              Friz
    

>          -< 8) Jeremy spoke in class today...He said Seattle SUCKS >-



	Alright Frizdude!! heheheheheheh ;^)


						-Seth/PIHOS!

    High five.... 
    
             Friz/PIHOS!
    

    for you GRUNGE folks!
    
    ---------------------
    ---------------------
    --S------------------
    --E------------------
    --A--TTL--ESUCKS--!--
    ---------------------

    Seth: I must agree with you on that last reply! 8) Funny....
    
            BUT....
    
     I just watched Pearl Jam on Mtv Unplugged yesterday an I truely
    enjoyed  it!!!!
    
         Friz
    

    Friz---The GrUnGe bUg is gonna get ya sooner or later!!!
    
    Cant wait for Lolopalooza on Friday...gonna be great!!

    Bob: As my favorite band penned..."Draw the line". I DRAW THE LINE at
    Pearl Jam...Did you see the Unplugged? It was cool...
    
    Bob...Move to Seattle!
             Friz
    

    Nope....I missed it  :*(
    
    

    HA!HA! I have it on tape...8P
    
             Friz
    

    Whatever......
    
        Friz
    

>     I just watched Pearl Jam on Mtv Unplugged yesterday an I truely
>    enjoyed  it!!!!
 
    Yesterday???  No WAY, I missed it *again*???  I'm bummed!
    
    What's the chance I could view your tape, dude?
    
    gh

    When hell freezes over.....
    
                         Friz
    

    You are such a slime sometimes!

    Whatta ya mean???? He's a slime "all of the time"
    
    :*)
    

    I didn't wanna say anything BUT "TEN" is ROOLIN'!!!!!
     I love it....Pearl Jam is the best band among a sea of crap floating
    around Seattle.  I like Black and Garden off the album...
    
          Friz
    

    
    Hypocrite.

    Now now now.  Easy Chris, Frizbo's just learning to appreciate the
    finer things in life.  Next thing ya'know, I'll have him turned on to
    L7...
    
    gh

	re: FrizGrundge


	Traitor!

    
    
    		It grows on ya huh Friz...
    
    		SueJ

    Chris:People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
    Me? A hypocrite?  Take a look in the mirror and then come talk to me!
    
    Greg:Finer music? SHA! L7..'Pretend I'm dead' when you bring that tape
    in to work. 8)
    
    Seth:I knew I'd get flak from you....Sorry dude, I like them and them
    only! I swear! Can I still be a partner?  Hatred is my middle
    name..C'mon???
    
    SueJ: Yea...It grew on me like bacteria and posessed my mind. Now I
    know what it feels like to be GREG. ACK... 8)
     
     Friz
     

    I saw Pearl Jam do a couple of songs live on MTV last night and thought
    they sounded KILL!  One was a song I hadn't heard before (on the
    Singles soundtrack?) and one was a cover of Baba O' Riley.  I was
    really impressed with their performance, they sounded great!  I really
    liked the new song too!
    
    gh

Pearl Jam was also on 'Unplugged' last night, although I only caught the
last song. They finished up with an incredibly intense version of "Porch"!
It was unreal!!!

Anyone know if MTV will repeat this on Wednesday night? I gotta tape it!!!

alan

    Pearl Jam are in the top 20 with a song called "Daniel" or something 
    like that.
    
    It`s crap.
    

    Are you sure it isn't "Jeremy"?
    
         Daniel is by Elton John and that song RULES!
    
     Friz
    

    Yeah, I caught that rerun of Pearl Jam on MTV Unplugged this weekend
    too.  It's several months old, but this was the first time I've gotten
    to see it.
    
    I thought they sounded great!  Nice to see *someone* come onto
    Unplugged and do a *completely* acoustic set.  No vocal processing, no
    background singers, no string section, no semi-hollow body electric
    guitars, no horns, no schlock...just a couple of acoustic guitars, an
    acoustic bass, drums and dry vocals.  
    
    Since they're MTV's current "hot item", you can bet that it'll be rerun
    until you want to gag on it.
    
    gh
    
                                          

    
    This was "Grunge" weekend on MTV... The other song performed by Pearl
    Jam was of the "Singles" CD. I also caught the unplugged show last 
    night and thought it was good.  I wish it was longer then a half hour
    though.   
    
    IMHO  Pearl Jam is one of the best new bands to come out in a long 
    time.  It will be interesting to see what they do next..
    
    Dan

    Jeremy spoke in class today

    
    His parents pretty much ignored him so he went nuts in a classroom and
    shot himself.
    
    
     

    Shot himself?  I thought it was others he shot?

>    Shot himself?  I thought it was others he shot?

Nope, he shot himself. And his blood splattered on the others.....

alan

    
    Nope. 
    
    At the end of the video all the kids are "frozen with horror" as Jeremy
    shoots himself in the head.
    
    

    All implications from the video aside, what is it in the lyrics that
    say he committed suicide?  I've had trouble understanding the ending.
    
    It's definately about an abused/mistreated kid, picked on a lot, that
    does something dramatic, but I never quite got the whole picture (if
    indeed they tell you the whole story).
    
    gh

    
    It even says he got violent.
    
    Something about biting "the recess ladies breast"
    
    

    He seemed such a harmless little F**K....Nashed his teeth and bit the
    recess ladies breast...Oh how could I forget.
    
     I think that the line "Try to erase this from the blackboard" is the 
    most hint in the lyric about him committing suicide but the video is 
    self explanitory.
    
       Friz
    

    
    
    RE:-1
    
    Exactly.

    
    ...plus he was hungry.

    I went to see SINGLES for the Matt Dillion/Pearl Jam thing...But as it
    turns out Matt Dillion/Pearl Jam aren't even the focal part of the
    movie.  I give it 2 1/2 stars out of five.   Eddie Vetter is the
    drummer of the band Citizen Dick. Performances by Alice in Chains and
    Sound(ack)garden.
    
            Friz
    

    I agree, SINGLES took a far different avenue story-wise than I
    expected, but actually REALLY enjoyed the angle and what the 
    picture had to say about relationships/dating in the 90s.
    
    
    B.

    I agree but that's not what I was wanting to see.....Ya'know?
    
      Friz
    

    That's right, bub, Frizgrunge was going in search of "the Seattle
    sound"!
    
    gh

    Sha! I was going to see it Eddie Vetter was going to roll his eyes.
           Friz
    

    So... did he?

    Of course...Don't be silly! 8)  I guess in that sense it was worth the 
    5.50$. 8)
    
      Friz
    

    Can anyone provide more of the JEREMY lyrics than mikey heiser
    did a few back??
    
    I'm claimin on that dude's diction (or lack, thereof)!

    At home...Drawing picture of mountain tops...with him on top
    Lemon yellow sun...Arms raised in a V...and the dead lay in pools
    of maroon below
    
    Daddy didn't give attention to the fact that mommy didn't care
    
    King Jeremy the wicked oh ho rules his world
    
    Jeremy spoke in class today
    
    Clearly I remember picking on the boy...Seemed such a harmless little f**k
    ohh but we unleashed a lion..nashed his teeth and bit the recess lady's
    breast...How could I forget? And he hit with a surprise left my jaw
    hurtin'...Dropped wide open...just like the day...just like the day
    
    And Daddy didn't give affection..no and the boy was something that
    mommy wouldn't wear
    
    King Jeremy the wicked oh ho ruled his world
    
    Jeremy spoke in class today
    
    Try to forget this...Try to erase this..from the blackboard.
    
       Friz
    

    8)
    
         Friz
    

    Frizgrunge comes through again!

    That's me....
    
     Friz
    

    Does anyone know how they got their name?
    

    ....Don't know the answer but there is a restaurant in san francisco
    called Miss Pearls Jam House....and was popular long before Pearl jam
    was known...............believe it...or not!.............../k

    
    Pearl Jam is kinda like Toe Jam, only worse.
    
    Hey, have you ever seen the inside of an oyster?  Yuck!
    

    It seems that someone's rereleased the one Mother Love Bone album
    (which several of the memebers of Pearl Jam played in before their lead
    singer died of an overdose),  'cause there have been advertizements for
    it and a new video showing on MTV lately.
    
    Seems strange to see a new video for a band who's lead singer has been
    dead for several years...  I liked the song though.
    
>    Hey, have you ever seen the inside of an oyster?  Yuck!
 
    I hear some people actually eat those...
    
    gh

    Gh: The name of the song by MLB is "Stardog champion". 
    
    The name Pearl Jam comes from the basketball player Moucky Blalock.
    That his nickname and that's their favorite babsketball player....
    
    The album is called "10" because that's Moucky's number when he plays.
    
    
         Believe it or not......
    
     Friz
      

    
    as learned from /k (credit where credit is due) seattle is the jet
    city.  (hence jet city woman from queensryche).
    

    
    Seattle used to be known (and is still frequently referred to)
    as the "Jet City" due to the fact that Boeing Aircraft has a
    very large presence in the vicinity.
    
    When the "greens" started getting more influence they decided that
    Jet City was not a nice name for an environmentally conscious city,
    so they set out to come up with a new nickname that would evoke
    images of cleanliness and green, hence "Emerald City"
    
    Bah.
    
    -- 
    Kevin
                        

    You ought to see the Boeing facility in Seattle - It SPRAWLS !
    jc

    The Emerald City, huh?  How long does it take to get an audience with
    the Wizard?  (and who'd wanna see some hoax from Australia anyway?)
    
    gh

    Finally caught the Pearl Jam unplugged session on MTV last night.  I
    have two questions:
    
    Love the sound of Eddie Vetter's voice, but am I the only one cannot
    understand 3/4's of what the dude is singing?
    
    What kind of animal was that the bass player was wearing?
    
    
    BJ

>    Love the sound of Eddie Vetter's voice, but am I the only one cannot
>    understand 3/4's of what the dude is singing?
    
    I didn't at first, but as I got into the music more, I started pickin
    up more and more of the lyrics.  He really isn't that hard to
    understand, it's just that his vocal phrasing is very unusual and it
    throws your ear off.
    
    I love his phrasing, I think it's very cool!
    
    gh

    He has an unusual style that's for sure.  After someone told me what
    the words to 'Jeremy' were, I could understand what he was singing, but
    on my own, forget it.
    
    Still, I likes it and, even if I'm missing the story, it sounds good.
    
    BJ

    When I was in Williamsburg VA this past weekend, we all went out for 
    dinner after Busch Gardens closed for the evening.  They had these 
    crayons at each table, so when the check came, I found myself doodling
    with them.  Ended up I had drawn this little kid with his arms in the
    air, so I wrote over it "Arms raised in a V".  This got me to thinking,
    so I also drew a "Lemon yellow sun" (marked for those not in the know),
    and a bunch of dead people in pools of maroon below.  Basically writing
    the lyrics to Jeremy with accompanying illustrations next to the lyrics.
    
    When the waitress came to claim the check, I think she thought we were
    Devil worshipers or something!  8^)

    I hope you left her a good tip.
    
    ;)

    
    Keep the tip

    I have their complete lyrics if anyone wants a copy.

I just got a Christmas single from Pearl Jam which is pretty interesting. 
It's a vinyl 45 - the photo on the front shows a dead deer laying on the
side of a highway, with the title "Who Killed Rudolph?" along the bottom.

The A-side has a pretty cool version of The Dead Boy's classic song "Sonic
Reducer". Very punkish version, recorded live in the studio. 

The B-side is *very* strange. It's a montage of sound clips, everything
from movies to Christmas songs to politicians to the band members talking.
Very weird, very funny!

alan

    Sounds hysterical.... but what sounds the weirdest is a "vinyl 45", I
    didn't even realize they put them out at all anymore!
                                                         Rat

    Did anyone catch a new clip on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction
    awards show that was held recently in L.A.? Part of the show was Eddie
    Vedder singing Doors songs with the rest of the surviving members. MTV
    news showed only about a minute of the jam but I would have like to
    seen more. Do they ever release a video of those Rock and Roll Hall of
    Fame awards shows? Are they ever shown on T.V. in full? I think that
    the Doors jam would be great to have. I'm surprized that Radio stations
    have not jumped on it a little and started playing it  - unauthorized
    like they did when Aerosmith went on SNL to do Wayne's World and sang
    the theme. (Not that I'm comparing the two - the Doors thing with Eddie
    Vedder is obviously more important)

    Wow, I'd love the hear/see that!  I bet Eddie's voice works well for
    Doors songs!
    
    gh

Don't You EVER get bored? I mean, Really?  ;-)

    re: .201
    
    Judging from the number of those things he gets, I'd say he's bored an
    awful lot...

    I saw that Masters of War cover again last night!  It was on the Bob
    Dylan tribute show, which has been on about 5 million times this week
    on the PBS stations...and Eddie couldn't have picked a better song
    to sing...really emotional, really excellent....:):):)
    
    
    :), danielle

    Anyone hear the new PJ yet??  It's actually cool..

    
    	Which one ... "Crazy Mary" or "Go"?
    
    	Not impressed too much with either one.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    Really like "Crazy Mary", don't care much for "Go"...
    
    Is "Crazy Mary" only on Sweet Relief, or on that and their new CD 
    "Five Against One"???????

    Yo Buckster,
    
    You mean the whole CD or the songs they've been playing ("Go", "Crazy
    Mary")?  
    
    I like "Go", don't particularly like or dislike "Crazy Mary", haven't
    heard anything more...
    
    gh

    I like Crazy Mary....much different from Ten.  Has a Tracy Chapman/Neil
    Young sound to it.  Can't wait to hear the rest of the cd!  Doesn't it
    come out soon?
    
    :), danielle

    
    My brother told me Oct. 7th!  Hey thats today!! All right...
    
      Of course I could be wrong...
    
          Dan

    just checked the record store today.....
    
    	realease date is Oct.19.

    There was posters for it on hmv in Edinburgh yesterday but I never
    caught a date!
    
    					ian

    
    
    
    If you want the LP, you can get it today.. gotta wait until next week
    for the CD.. 
    
    Whit-

    Someone's still releasing stuff on vinal these days??
    
    gh

    Not only that, but they're still releasing stuff on vinyl as well.

    re .212 : Well, I sorry to say this, but I'm holding the CD in my hand
              right now!!! Don't know why you have to wait that long
              for the CD release???
    
    Mark

    re. Mark
    
    Well? How is it?
                    Rat

    Well, Rat
    
    It's a bit different from Ten, but it's definitely worth buying...
    Especially no. 5 and no. 8 or 9 are worth listening.
    
    Here is the track listing for you...
    
    1 : go
    2 : animal
    3 : daughter
    4 : glorified g
    5 : dissident
    6 : w.m.a.
    7 : blood
    8 : rearviewmirror
    9 : rats
    10 : elderly woman behind the counter in a small town
    11 : leash
    12 : indifference
    
    That number 10 does jump out doesn't. All the other titles (including
    on 10) are all short titles, but this one's a teeny wheeny bit longer.
    The song is all right...
    
    Mark
    

	So, is the name of the disc "5 Against 1" or "Verses?"
	I heard the first 2 million copies of the disc will be 
	called "5 Against 1" and then everything else printed after
	will be called "Verses"

	/Cap'n Quad     

    
    
    9 : rats
    
    I knew Eddie would remember me! ;-)

    
    
    
    On Waaf, they said that they were releasing the lp version of it this 
    week, and only the lp version... also said that if you wanted the cd 
    version you'd have to wait a week.. Ya got me.. I'm just repeating what
    I heard on AAF... 
    
    Whit-

        All right, you got me there...
    
    On the cover nor on the CD itself there is a title.
    But on the price sticker on the CD stood "VS" so I guess it is called
    Versus. Don't know f'r sure, but i seems that I have an ordinary copy.
    
    re. a couple back : This proves that yuo shouldn't believe everything
                        you hear on the air...
    
    Mark

>>    re. a couple back : This proves that yuo shouldn't believe everything
>>                        you hear on the air...
>>    
>>    Mark


     um, actually those of us that are in the US can believe it... it won't
     be released on cass/cd until next week... i think you happened to catch
     a break from this vinyl-revival by being in the netherlands...

     /b

    re: - a few
    I read that the first release will be titled VS. and then the next
    release or issue or pressing (whatever you think of it as) will be
    titled the other way. A wonderful collector's type of thing (maybe)
    like Green Jello (Who are now know as Green Jelly). Which I have...
    
    
    Chris

>>    re: - a few
>>    I read that the first release will be titled VS. and then the next
>>    release or issue or pressing (whatever you think of it as) will be
>>    titled the other way. A wonderful collector's type of thing (maybe)
>>    like Green Jello (Who are now know as Green Jelly). Which I have...


   um... not to sound like i think i know everything, but... before the
   release date was scheduled, the album had been tentitively titled
   'five against one' (a lyrical tidbit from the song 'animal') then
   prior to the first pressing the band decided to change the title
   without having one in mind... so the pressing went on with the
   album having no title at all... then the idea for 'verses' (or
   'vurses' could be the case) came about, but it will only make it
   on the second and other successive pressings.  i would assume that
   the reason the price tag says VS on it is just to catagorize the
   lp by the new tentitive name...  could be wrong...

   /b
   
 

>>     um, actually those of us that are in the US can believe it... it won't
>>     be released on cass/cd until next week... i think you happened to catch
>>     a break from this vinyl-revival by being in the netherlands...
>>
>>     /b
    
    
    Well, I guess that there are a lot more record players over there than
    here. Vinyl is DEAD here. Some artists don't even bother to bring out
    there records on LP anymore.
    The only thing that's being revived are a lot of old numbers. Covers,
    Covers, Covers, everywhere you look, its covers.
    ********  AND I HATE COVERS!!!!!  *********
    You just can't beat the original....
    
    Mark                                

    
    
    
    Vinyl is dead over here also.. I don't know when the last time was I
    saw an album in a music store... 
    
    Whit-

    Maybe it's a test to estimate how many people out there still buy music
    on record.  Although why they would hold of on releasing the CD I don't
    know.... maybe it would throw off the results.
    
    |KS|
    

    About a month ago, I heard that it would be released on vinyl first for
    the benefit of college radio stations.  Yet, college radio stations are
    also using cds....
    
    :), danielle

    Spandex is dead here...

    
    
    
    Damn! why didn't someone tell me?!
    
    
    
    Whitpose-

Looks like the Pearl Jam album is going to be HUGE! I talked to a friend of
mine who runs a small store in Keene, NH, and he says he already sold out of 
all 50 copies of the CD in under 5 hours (he usually might sell 30 copies of 
a really hot CD in one week). Tower Records last night in NYC opened up at 
midnight to sell the disk, and they sold out of all 800 copies they had in 
less than an hour!!! This thing is just *flying* out the doors of the records 
stores.....

I heard that Sony shipped like 2 million copies, and already people are 
worried that there might be a supply problem!

alan

Yeah, it should be huge.  My younger brother has already pronounced it bad (too
commercial he claims), which means it's success should be legendary.

By the way he really liked the new Nirvana album.  I wonder if that will make it
sell terribly.

Tim

    
    i just dont get it.  i really dont....
    

    
    
     Got it yesterday afternoon... After first playback I thought it was
    good but, after listening to it agian I would say excellent.  
    
    Its definatly diffrent then "Ten".  They have incorporated a bunch of 
    new styles on the CD.  In general I don't think this album is as heavy
    guitar style oriented as the first.  
    
    If you liked the first album you will definatly like this one.
    
    Also a really good article in this weeks TIME Magazine about Pearl Jam and
    the whole alternative music scene.  Goes into how alot of the performers 
    are having a problem being popular and making the big money that goes with
    being a star. 
    
       Dan
     

    Well I got my CD the other day and I LOVE it!!!! 
    	I think 'Daughter' is my favorite. I think most of them remind me
    of 'Once' and 'Release Me' from Ten, both of which I loved!
    
    
    Rat

    I got my copy also!!! Excellent!
    
    SueJ

    
    
    Just Announced!!
    
    Pearl Jam Live at the CU Field House November 26, 27, 28th in Boulder 
    The Only problem is that between all three shows there is only going
    to be 11,400 seats.  Tickets go on sale Friday Morning.
    
    
    Vega
     
    
    

    Personally, I wouldn't trek to Boulder, I think they'll be plenty
    of seats available.  Don't get me wrong, I'd go to check em out
    in the Springs, Boulder is too much.
    
    cj

    I'll be there!!!!!
                      Rat

    
      
             I think Pearl Jam is worth the trip, but that's also cause
     I have'nt been to Boulder in a while. I'll be there for sure!!
    
    
                         Jeffy

    
    Well Jeffy and Ratt I will be seeing you there or I might even 
    be joining you on your trek up there.  I think we should drag 
    butter butt along also. 
    
    Vega
    

    I think that those shows will sell out, definitely.
    
    :), danielle

    
    
            Yes, those swows will definately sell out. Vega, we can treck
    up to the show. As for butter but, I guess he can go too. ;^)
    
    
    Jeffy

    I must be getting old.  :-)
    
    Hey, where did all of these CO noters come from anyway?
    
    Pearl Jam="cool"
    Boulder="Baby-sitter and work the next morning"
    
    Aaack.  I am getting old.
    
    cj

>    I must be getting old.  :-)
>
>    Boulder="Baby-sitter and work the next morning"
    
    Yep, definitely getting old...

As I projected last week, the Pearl Jam album is HUGE. It is the all-time
best-selling album for one week's worth of sales, totalling 950,000 units 
in the first week alone. 

alan

    I think it's great.  It grew on me, now I love it!
    
    :), danielle

    I got it for my birthday yesterday.  Only having listened to it twice
    so far, I can say that I really like it.  It's similar in some ways to
    "10", but it's not "20", if you know what I mean.  A little more
    diverse, but a similiar sound and feel to it.  Definitely the same
    creative energy.  Two thumbs up!
    
    Greg

     
     I found on first listen I thought the first album was better. Once you
    listen to it a few times, you find its just as good or better....
    
     Thumbs up from me as well...
    
    
    Keith
    

    I think Eddie's voice sounds consistantly stronger on "10", but it
    doesn't detract from the music that much on the new one.  But listen to
    a song like "Blood" and it sounds kinda fried.
    
    gh

    YEAH!!!!!! Got our tix fot the 26th!!!! 
    
    	And just fyi all three shows sold out within an hour.

    Do you know of anybody selling extra tickets for the show, I got in
    line about 3 people to late.  

    Wouldn't have mattered either way for me 'cause I realized that I'm
    gonna be outta town anyway.  This always seems to happen...  ;^(
    
    Greg

    
    Rat, 
         I'm sure I'll see you there, I have my tix too. 
    Don't know of any for sale yet. 
    late 
    
    Vega
    

    Fat fackin' chance of getting tix if you didn't buy them
    already...  :-(
    
    jc (Who doesn't care)

    
     Heard on AAF that Pearl Jam is in the Recording Studio doing their 
    Christmas Song for this Year....
    
     Sax_Who_Can't_Wait
    

    Pearl Jam's tour has gotten off to a more-than-impressive start, as
    noted in this week's Amusement Business mag.  The band has sold out
    every show to date, and is even starting to set new house records for
    attendance and length-of-time-selling-out.  At least 3 new records 
    were set during their stint of Texas dates.  The tour is expected to be 
    huge by analysts.

What kind of places are they playing at.  Can't really see them doing stadium
tours....

Tim

    The place they're playing here in Colorado, CU Field House in Boulder,
    is medium sized, around 2-3k people I *think*.  They sold out three
    shows there in less then an hour.
    
    gh

    
     Kool...Heh heheh heh....There Kool !!!

    I Heard some Sketchy Reports this Morning that Eddie and Scott
    McDowell,93 Cy_Young Award Winner)were in an"altercation"Last_Nite
    in the French_Quarters of New_Orleans.McDowell got a cut in the
    back of his neck and I"assume" Eddie is O.K.
    One report said that Eddie started it by spittin at a Waiter..
    
        Crazy_Oh_My_Al!!!

    Eddie rules.  :)
    
    

>    I Heard some Sketchy Reports this Morning that Eddie and Scott
>    McDowell,93 Cy_Young Award Winner)were in an"altercation"Last_Nite

	You mean Jack McDowell right....heard he got knocked out...
	4:15 this morning, what do ya think was keepin' them up so late???

	/Cap'n Quad

    What the heck is a "Cy Young" award?

>    What the heck is a "Cy Young" award?


	Cy Young was a Red Sox picher back when pitchers were real men.
	The Cy Young is presented to the best all around pitcher in each
	league.  Considerations are ERA, wins, Ks, etc...

	/Cap'n Quad

    >	league.  Considerations are ERA, wins, Ks, etc...
    
    Earned Run Average, K = Strikeouts, and all that sports stuff you love
    so much.

    I wanna know what two guys are doing together at 4am in the French
    Quarter anyways!

    Well,McDowell has a Band also..so maybe he was playin out around
    there Last_Nite...and then again..Maybe not.
    
      Don't start Rumors,Buck ...

    Instant Axl, just add money...

    they were showing each other how to handle a bat and ball.

    Don't start Rumors,Mike..

    Well went to concert last night and here's a quick review.....
    
    first band (don't know their name)-SUCKED!!!!!!  And to make it worse
    they tried to cover up their sorry playing by cranking the volume.
    
    Urge Overkill- even worse then the first band! :^{
    
    Pearl Jam- Great!!!! High energy and good sound.....really liked them
    alot EXCEPT they didn't play the one song I wanted to hear, Black, so I
    was really dissapointed.  They played a pretty good mix from both Ten
    and Verses but they kept playing stuff that aren't on either, in fact
    Eddie kept saying "I know you guys never heard that song and you
    haven't heard this one either..." so that was kinda odd. The place
    itself (CU Field House) sucked for anyone under 6'3" as far being able
    to see.....in fact I won't ever go there again for a show but
    all-in-all it was a decent show.
    
    Btw they *postponed* tonights show until March. ;-}
    
    Rat

    Yeah, heard on the radio (about a hundred times...) that last night's
    Pearl Jam show at the ol' CU Field House in Boulder was CANCELLED
    because of "irreconcilable differences between the band and the
    University staff".  They'll be setting up another show sometime in
    March, at a different location, and the tickets for last night's show
    will be honored there (or you could get a refund whereever you bought
    'em).
    
    Anyone know what that conflict was about?
    
    Greg

    Those University staff folks could be facing a student uprising.
    
    I went to school at Rutgers in NJ.  This was shortly after Bruce
    Springsteen struck it big with "Born to Run".
    
    Bruce REQUESTED to play a show at the recently built indoor arena
    but the show got cancelled because the basketball coach refused to
    move ONE regular practice to another equally suitable gym.  His reason
    was because he didn't want to set a precedent for silly rock concerts
    disrupting important basketball activities.  The show never happened.
    
    BIG mistake!!!!!!!!!
    
    To say he had underestimated the importance of Springsteen is to give
    him even more credit than he deserved.
    
    The entire school boycotted the next couple of games.  I heard that
    at one game there was like 15 people rooting for our team, and
    about 250 people from our opponents!!!!  And this was a home game.
    
    I remember having dinner with one of the guys on the team and he was
    saying how humiliating that was and how the team was really on the
    coach to publicly apologize and beg people to "come back".
    
    Seems like Pearl Jam is about as popular now as Springsteen was back
    then.
    
    	db

    And this one was sold out from the morning that tickets went on sale, a
    month or two ago to boot!
    
    Greg

    
    
    The differences that I heard and seen were between Eddie and security,
    At one point Eddie stopped the show and had the lights turned on, He 
    then proceeded to yell at a couple of security guards that were
    escorting a person out of the pit.  It was really funny, he told them 
    to leave the pit and leave the person alone.  When the Guards didn't
    want to leave Eddie had his own people go get the guards out of the
    pit.  Earlier in the show he took the headset from one of the guards
    and told him that He didn't like the headset because it represented 
    control, he them proceeded to throw the headset into the crowd, two
    people behind me (oh so close).  Thats what I saw happening, I heard 
    that Eddie was upset because security wouldn't let people get a good
    pit going.  Every time somebody got on top of the crowd the guards 
    came and escorted them out.  This is just what I saw happening, I 
    don't know if that is the real reason that they postponed the show or
    not but thats what it sounds Like.
    
    
    
    Vega
    WhoWasDownInIT
     

    Thanks, Vega.  That does sound like a probable reason for it.
    
    Greg

    sometimes it bugs the arse of me when Eddie gets all "arty".I mean the
    gaurds with their headset on "represent authority" and when he got the
    award for the video for Jeremy he said "how can you judge art?"It gets
    a bit too much for me!Unlike the time I saw Motorhead.Lemmy demanded
    everyone wrecked the place and beat the crap out of the security for
    the fact  "they are wankers".......it got an excellant response! 8)
    
    
    					ian

    I wonder if they cover there own "Mosh Insurance".  ;-)

                              "POLICEMAN W.M.A."
    
            Just got into Pearl Jam a few months ago and as a musician I 
    just went nuts over there sound......BASS & DRUMS and these guys know
    exactly what they're doin'!
            Wondering if anyone likes this song in particular? "Policeman"
            "So Clean Cut, Do No Wrong, Dirty His Hands, It Comes Right
    Off"     These guys ARE the rejuvination of the 60's!
            Have been putting a band together for the past year! Finding a 
    rehearsal space; buying the BEST equipment I could find; auditioning
    people and auditioning and auditioning and finally got the right
    chemistry!
            We were doin' stuff like "Gary Moore" & "Stevie Ray Vaughn" and
    then decided to go ORIGINAL and then I heard....."PEARL JAM" and they
    opened my eyes right up!  They've got the right idea and to me that's
    let the band JAM and have a SINGER who can improvise around that and
    presto! you've got magic and since teenagers are NOT brain dead yet
    they picked up on this band real fast!
            Being in my 40's I shouldn't even be talking like this but like
    a teenager I'm NOT brain dead yet and puttin' up a good fight to remain
    that way!  Think it's called.....off the couch!
            Good luck lookin' for a singer who can actually sing with feeling
    and improvise his own lyrics & style, but if you don't go through the
    hell of looking & auditioning you'll never find 'em!
    
                                                           It's Worth It!
    
                                                              STORM'N
    

    I've been listening to VS again after a bit of time off from it and
    well...although I liked it at first, the more I listen to it, the more
    I find a lot of the songs annoying for some reason.  I found the songs
    on the first album more memorable and held up better over time. 
    
    I'm not saying it's bad, just that I've found I don't like some of the
    songs that much.  Especially "Daughter" and "Dissident", I can't hardly
    stand to hear either of them any more.  I still like stuff like
    "glorified", "rats", and "blood" though...
    
    Greg

    
    Who is going to Pearl Jam at the Garden?
    
    I shall be attending the function on April 11th Dahlings....
    
    SueJ

    What is true about the rumour that Pearl Jam will come to Europe and
    play there with Neil Young. I heard it from a friend that are going to
    play at the Torhout/Werchter festival in Belgium.
    
    Edwin

    Suprised noone has reported this yet...
    
    Pearl Jam has cancelled their summer tour/2nd tour leg to return to
    the studio to complete their 3rd album.  This nixes a rumored
    appearance at Woodstock 94, as well as their european leg.
    
    B

    
    re: .284
    
    They did this last year, I saw 'em supporting Neil Young in Finsbury
    Park, London.  They were incredible...they sounded so good live. 
    Haven't heard any rumours of him doing the rest of Europe this year
    though.
    
    I've just been getting back into their music, as I said, thought they
    were great live, but never bought any of their stuff until recently
    (last week). I bought "Ten", then "Versus" 'cos they've got some cool
    basslines on there, the bass player is my current hero I guess seeing
    as I'm *slowly* learning bass...!
    
    Chris.

    B,
    
    Do you know when they will release their third album?
    And do you know when they will come to Europe?
    
    Edwin

    RE.-1
    Is there any reason to believe that their third album will be coming
    out soon? All info welcome!
    
    Marcel

     
     Local radio station says the rumor is that they are cancelled some of
    their tour dates to go back into the studio.
    
    Keith
    

    Here in Holland, the first part of a live-concert from Atlanta is for
    sale now, on CD-single. Only about $8.
    Part two will feature a new single and part two of the concert, and
    part three will also contain a new single and the last part of the
    concert.
    
    Anything known about this in the States, and if so, is part two or
    three allready out over there? Tell me!
    
    Marcel

>>    Anything known about this in the States, and if so, is part two or
>>    three allready out over there? Tell me!
>>    
>>    Marcel


	  ayup... i noticed this at newbury comics just the other night.
	  it is the live show that was on the radio broadcast 04/03/94
	  from fox theater in atlanta... what i saw was the cd single
	  of 'dissident' along with two live cd's making up the first
	  set of that particular atlanta show... so it's three cd's in
	  all for (i think) $12...  that is a steal if you are a fan.

	  i can only assume that the next second set and way long encore
	  set will be released over the next two single releases... that
	  may seem like it could take some time, but judging by the rate
	  the put out singles (and the supposed new album) you may be able
	  to get the whole show by the middle of summer...

	  i didn't bother to buy the cd, i have the whole show on cassette.
	  having it on disc would be nice, but it's no biggee to me...

	  /b

    RE.-1
    You say the first part was a single PLUS two live CD's??
    And two more to come?
    
    Over here, the first part is also the single Dissident + 6 or 7 live
    songs. The second will be the new single + part two of the concert, and
    the third another single + part three. They will all fit into the same
    box, about the size of an old double-CD.
    
    You say the total concert (three singles) will come to $12?
    That's cheap! Over here the first single costs about $8.
    The other two will be the same prize, I guess!
    
    About the concert having been on the radio:
    I live in Europe, Holland to be precise, and over here, unfortunately,
    it hasn't been broadcasted on the radio.  :(
    
    I guess I'll have to buy the 3 parts. Well, there's nothing wrong with
    that. I guess the whole pack will set me back almost $25. About 45
    dutch guilders. That's not that much for a live CD + 3 singles.
    A normal CD costs about 42 dutch guilders, about $23.
    How much is a regular full-price CD over there?
    
    Marcel

    Pearl Jam 3rd to be released in July...

    Anything known about release dates in Europe, Holland in particular?

>>                              <<< Note 657.292 by ELIS::BOEREN "Not yet awake, but always smiling!" >>>
>>                                      -< That's not much by our standards. How about yours? >-
>>
>>    RE.-1
>>    You say the first part was a single PLUS two live CD's??
>>    And two more to come?

	  yes, the single for dissident plus two live cd's making
	  up part 1 of 3 parts for the live show to be released
    
>>    Over here, the first part is also the single Dissident + 6 or 7 live
>>    songs. The second will be the new single + part two of the concert, and
>>    the third another single + part three. They will all fit into the same
>>    box, about the size of an old double-CD.

	  i also saw it packaged this way, however i don't think this
	  is part 1 of 3 parts for the live show, possibly but i doubt it.
	  just a different package with some bonus live songs.  i have
	  actually seen the 'dissident' single packaged three ways:

	       1 - the normal single plus two bonus songs
	       2 - a maxi single with six live songs
	       3 - a mega (my term) single with two live cd's (part 1 of 3)
    
>>    You say the total concert (three singles) will come to $12?
>>    That's cheap! Over here the first single costs about $8.
>>    The other two will be the same prize, I guess!

	  uh, nope... that's not what i meant to get across...  the current
	  mega single (my number 3 above) is $12-$13 right now... not all
	  three parts together.
    

	  sorry for any confusion...

	  /b

    RE.-1
    Then the US edition must be different than the European version.
    Cause the first part here was a combination of your number 2 and 3.
    It was only 1 CD, but is to be fit into a three-pack forming the entire
    concert + 3 singles (1 on each disc).
    
    You got the number 3? And there are two more singles coming up?
    Will they have the same stuff, I mean 1 CD-single + live CD's?
    Or is that the entire three-pack in one?
    
    Marcel, who's a little confused and thinks (if he understands
    correctly) that the people in the US are offered a better deal than
    their european fellow Pearl Jam fans.  :(

>>    Marcel, who's a little confused and thinks (if he understands
>>    correctly) that the people in the US are offered a better deal than
>>    their european fellow Pearl Jam fans.  :(


     uh... yep, thanks to me you are really confused... i guess there
     is no easy way to explain it... i thought i cleared it up yesterday
     but i guess not...  i'll try again someday, but not right now...

     /b

    RE.-1
    Yeah, I have given up on me a long time ago too!  :)
    
    Marcel

the new pearl jam lp is out 3rd October in UK (according to tower records
in glasgow).

jim.

Pearl Jam are b-o-r-i-n-g!!

    
    I think this is the beginning of the end for Pearl Jam unless this
    lp really does well.  The ticketmaster thing really worked against
    them.

    >The ticketmaster thing really worked against them.
    
    Explain...
    

    
    The whole thing was about ticketmasters surcharge on tickets. This
    money is used by ticketmaster to provide services for the band and
    venue. Pearl Jam wanted no surcharge. No venue would take them without
    the services provided by ticketmaster.
    
    The whole thing was a media manipulation ploy that failed. Most fans
    either didn't understand what was going on, and if they did they
    knew that Pearl Jam was being a bunch of jerks.
    
    They were too busy playing games and too much time has slipped by.
    

    I understood... They did not want their fans to be charged more than
    needed which is so true. They stick it to the fans constantly on
    surcharges!
    
    Do we know when the LP is coming out. Strawberries is so accurate with
    SEPT 94 as a date. WHEN!!!????? the 31st!???? hahahahahahah
    
    SueJ

    
    	Ticketmaster said that a TRUE stance for Pearl Jam to take
    	would be to go to their record company and make them reduce
    	the cost of their albums.
    
    	They also said that this was a publicity stunt to sell more
    	albums.  [And I don't like Pearl Jam, except for a few songs
    	on the 1st album, but I really don't think they need to stage
    	a publicity stunt to sell albums.  The public is too stupid
    	NOT to buy their albums.]
    
    							GTI

    >The whole thing was about ticketmasters surcharge on tickets. This
    >money is used by ticketmaster to provide services for the band and
    >venue. Pearl Jam wanted no surcharge. No venue would take them without
    >the services provided by ticketmaster.
    
    To clarify, MOST venues COULD NOT take Pearl Jam, due to contractual
    agreements with Ticketmaster.  It is not that they would not take them.
    Ticketmaster controls about 70% of the venues in the country, so not
    all of them were affected.
    
    Amusement Business magazine has given extensive coverage of the Pearl
    Jam/Ticketmaster fight.  From their perspective, the band is (still)
    well respected in the industry for doing what they did.  I mean, just
    because Ticketmaster has a monopoly on the ticket sale market DOES NOT
    MEAN they have the right to add $4 - $15 worth on surcharges PER TICKET
    if and when they deem necessary. 

    
    If the venues don't get the services they are used to getting from
    Ticketmaster, I can't blame them for not taking Pearl Jam. 
    
    The whole thing was explained to me from someone who works at corporate
    at Ticketmaster, so take it for what it's worth.

    Ticketbastard sucks.  Plain and simple.
    
    That's why I try to buy tickets directly from the band, if possible. 
    Or I go right to the venue and buy from the box office.
    
    Ticketmaster's service charges can get very ridiculous.  They don't go
    out of their way to do any service for me worth $7.50 per ticket (using
    Pink Floyd tickets as an example).  Say I call ticketmaster and buy
    four Pink Floyd tickets.  That's $30.00 in service charges.  $30.00 for
    having some minimum-waged employee talk on the phone with me for 5
    minutes and take my credit card number and address down.  
    
    I'm glad Pearl Jam took a stand.  When I saw them at the Orpheum it was
    the cheapest tickets I bought all year ($19.80 each).  I agree with
    them, I don't think that Ticketmaster should make more than 10% of the
    ticket cost.
                                                          

    I know that I don't go to shows anymore due to the damn ticket prices!
    I mean, in the 80s, it was like $13 - $17 to go see a MAJOR band,
    $5 - 10 to see a national in a club.  Now they expect me to pay like 
    $30 - 80 to see a major?  Sha....it might happen...

    
    I agree about the ticket prices! Believe me, I'm glad I didn't have
    to pay to see Pink Floyd or Billy Joel/Elton John! The ticket prices
    were unbelievable!
    
    The surcharge isn't the problem though, it's only around 3-5 dollars
    from what I was told. The services the provide are for the venue
    itself like promotion, etc... I'll have to ask him exactly what it
    entails.
    
    -prc

    ..pete...what do you think an employee of ticketmaster is going to say??
    .. no one calls ticketmaster and buys one ticket....so..if
    the service charge is $5 on each ticket..and you buy 4 tix...$20 bucks 
    per purchase is way too much for the consumer to pay in service charges ..
    especially for services that the consumer doesn't see...../k
    

    
    re: -1
    
    It's nice to have the opposing opinion as it were. Next time I see
    him all ask him exactly what the service charge is used for and I'll
    post it here.
    
    -prc

    
    	The newest Rolling Stone had a story on this saga [short article]
    	and in there it mentioned what the charges were used for.
    
    	But I forgot what they were exactly.  If I think of it, and if no
    	one's posted anything by tomorrow, I'll bring it in.
    
    							GTI

>    The whole thing was about ticketmasters surcharge on tickets. This
>    money is used by ticketmaster to provide services for the band and
>    venue. Pearl Jam wanted no surcharge. No venue would take them without
>    the services provided by ticketmaster.
    
    Not exactly.  Pearl Jam insisted that the service charge be limited to
    something fair, I think it was around $2 per ticket.  
    
>    The whole thing was a media manipulation ploy that failed. 
    
    I completely disagree.  I don't think it had anything to do with the
    media.  If they'd wanted to make a big media deal of it, they could
    have done a lot more to get news programs (and the like) interested,
    but they didn't.  The only time I heard about it was in Notes and MTV
    News.  Hardly a media blitz.
    
>    Most fans
>    either didn't understand what was going on, and if they did they
>    knew that Pearl Jam was being a bunch of jerks.
    
    Again, I disagree.  I believe that most fans understand exactly what
    happened and why.  And further, most fans I've talked to appreciated
    and supported the effort of the band on their behalf.  
    
    Basically, everyone I know hates the Ticketmaster surcharges, which
    have grown over the years from an annoyance to a clear rip-off.  The
    surcharges they put on the tickets have grown to the point where they
    are larger then what I feel the price of the tickets themselves should
    be!  Ticketmaster clearly has a monopoly in the industry.  I'm actually
    surprised that nobody's brought lawsuits against them before all this.
                                             
    Greg
                                                                          

    Woop, I wrote .314 before most of the other stuff, but didn't get it
    entered before being summoned off for a meeting (missing the notes
    in between).
    
    Basically, I used to see shows all the time, like at least once a
    month, sometimes as often as once a week (when there were that many
    shows in my area).  When I started seeing shows in the early 80s,
    ticket prices for big name acts at stadium-style shows were about
    $8-$10 (in the Phoenix area).  Now a similar sized show is $30-$40 a
    ticket!!
    
    I could probably afford to go see a $10 show.  There AREN'T ANY!  You
    can't hardly get in to see a LOCAL BAND for $10 anymore!  I haven't
    been to a concert in almost a year and it's primarily because of the
    ticket prices.  They've grown like new car prices, many times the rate
    of inflation.  I consider that unfair.  And I consider forced
    surcharges to be a major contributing factor.
    
    Greg

    
    Greg is right and Cookster (in a rare case :^) I admit) is wrong.
    
    Ticketmaster is the one screwing with us, not Pearl Jam.  The surcharge
    is a red herring.  The real problem is their monopoly on selling
    tickets and their flat-out ownership of venues catering to concerts.
    
    There's no sense of market value or decency left in the ticket
    business.  When Roth ticket agency in Providence is advertising
    Stones tickets before they go on sale, that's crap.  And I've heard
    it argued that they are selling on "speculation" which is yet another
    load of crap - they're getting blocks before the rest of us.
    
    Pearl Jam's motives aside, Ticketmaster is the worst thing to happen
    to the industry, and the Rolling Stone article Shawn mentioned did
    a little expalaining about how, with "blockbuster attraction"
    exceptions, people are going to less and less shows - they're relegated
    to picking a few or one good ones a year, due to the price.  Is that
    good for the industry?
    
    I don't care to see Pearl Jam succeed as much as I care to see
    Ticketmaster fail miserably - they're turning the concert experience
    into one big nightmare for any fan of any group.  I used to be able
    to see groups anytime I wanted, but the price increases and hassle
    have made it almost impossible for me to see anybody (or want to).
    And I know other music fans who've quit the scene too.  Is that
    good for the industry?
    
    - Sean
    

    Hey, it's probably great for the local music industry.
    
    I go to about 2 Ticketmaster shows a year... maybe even not that much.
    
    I think the artists charge too much too so I could care less about
    the Ticketron charge.  You can half the face value price and double
    the ticketron charge and I'll be a much happier man.

    
    	Approximately 90% of the ticket price goes to the performer.
    
    	The rest goes to promotion/venue/etc.  "The rest", I presume,
    	also includes the handling charge, of which some is turned
    	over to the venue, so Ticketmaster doesn't get it all, but a
    	good portion of it.
    
    							GTI
    

    Donno where you got your percentages, Shawn, but they don't sound right
    to me.  I thought the performers typically got less then 50% of the
    ticket price.  Also remember that the ticket price doesn't include the
    "service" charges.
    
    Greg

    
    	Rolling Stone said 90%, so that's what I posted.
    
    	And I did mention that "the rest" included service charges.
    
    
    							GTI

    
    Sorry shawn.
    
    First there's the promoter, then there's the owner of the show
    site, then there's the payroll of security, ticket takers, etc,
    add the roadies (most likely paid by the performers, gas, eats,
     and other accommodations, ) advertizements, back-up (opening act)
    performers, etc.
    
    
    Last week WAQY in Springfield read an article where the cut was
    54 percent for ticket master and only 17 percent for the performers
    at the Eagles concerts at great woods, it averaged $5 per performer
    per ticket.

>    Last week WAQY in Springfield read an article where the cut was
>    54 percent for ticket master and only 17 percent for the performers
>    at the Eagles concerts at great woods, it averaged $5 per performer
>    per ticket.
    
    Now come on here!
    
    It doesn't take a genius to see that those numbers are bogus.  They're
    mathmatically impossible.
    
    	db

    
    
    At a hundred bucks a ticket?????

    
    >	Approximately 90% of the ticket price goes to the performer.
    
    Shawn, that's on vanilla Ticketmaster sales.  What is not known and what
    Tickemaster won't divulge is what about the blocks that are pre-sold?
    
    When I stand in line and "sold-out" happens to the 10th person in line 
    for a moderate show, there were tickets that were already gone
    before the sale.
    
    When I see the front rows occupied by people who don't show up until
    the 4th song, I know those seats didn't go to fans - they went to 
    folks with bucks or connections looking for little more than a night
    out.
    
    When I see Ticket Agencies hawking tickets before they are officially
    on sale, I believe they KNOW they're getting (or already have) some.
    
    And then there's the plain old-fashioned scalped tix, which somehow
    weirdly seem to be in the hands not of people who actually stood in
    line, but by professionals.
    
    It's those tickets the performers aren't making anything off of and it
    those tickets that seem to dominate these days.  There's kickbacks 
    going on.  Ticketmaster claimed some if it is legal although Rolling
    Stone somehow wouldn't be allowed to view the supposed "public
    records."
    
    It is a farce, but I agree with Dave on one thing - it is better for
    the local music scene.  I guess Dave thinks the strike is good for
    baseball, too, since AAA teams are getting more attendance :^)
    
    - Sean
    

    Look, what's obviously going on is that they're throwing percentage
    figures like "54% of this" and "17 percent of that" without telling
    you that "this" and "that" are NOT the same thing and thus we're
    comparing apples to oranges.
    
    The mathmatics are hard to describe but clearly Ticketron is NOT making
    54% of the ticket price since it's take is much less than that so we
    don't know what WHAT they are making "54 percent of".
    
    It could be 54% of the average revenue from hot dog sales in Montana
    for all we know.

>    And then there's the plain old-fashioned scalped tix, which somehow
>    weirdly seem to be in the hands not of people who actually stood in
>    line, but by professionals.
>    
>    It's those tickets the performers aren't making anything off of and it
>    those tickets that seem to dominate these days.  
    
    Sean, how is it that you can say that the performers don't make
    anything off that ticket.  They make the same money off that ticket
    as any other ticket.  What they don't make is money off the scalpers
    markup.
    
    You guys have your own system of math or careless with your wording.
    ;-)
    
>    It is a farce, but I agree with Dave on one thing - it is better for
>    the local music scene.  I guess Dave thinks the strike is good for
>    baseball, too, since AAA teams are getting more attendance 
    
    The strike is good because baseball sucks and it will help diminish
    the popularity of the sport and perhaps free up the TV for more
    interesting and exciting things like "Home Gardening" and "Bowling
    for Dollars" (both of which I would prefer to baseball).
    
	db    

    
    
    Apples to oranges, Ticket master to tickertron.
    
    I've heard cases of legal scalping where Ticket master or 
    Ticket World "...have tickets to sold out shows.", but the
    price is much higher than it would have been if you would
    get it the old way by standing in a line and waiting. That
    is where they make their money.
    
    Pearl Jam is trying to fair to the fan while ticket master is
    blantantly greedy!! 

    
    
    btw
    
    I'm only repeating the contents of a radio morning show, but
    it makes more sense than shawn's claim of 90 percent to the per-
    former!!

    
    	Try this:
    
    	Band makes 90% of ticket sales [face value].
    
    	Promoter/whoever makes 10%.
    
    	Ticketmaster makes 100% of "handling charge" or "scalping fee"
    	[which is actually what it is].  They then split that with the
    	promoter/venue.
    
    	Is it that hard to believe that it's possible?
    
    							GTI

    
    > Sean, how is it that you can say that the performers don't make
    > anything off that ticket.  They make the same money off that ticket
    > as any other ticket.  What they don't make is money off the scalpers
    > markup.
    
    I was responding to a note about performers making %'s off of a ticket
    sale.  I shouldn't have said they didn't make anything - I meant
    "anything more", i.e. the % goes way down as the fixed price the band
    gets remains constant and the scalped price goes up.  50%, 94%,
    whatever, it's a smaller percentage by the time the final sale is made.
    
    > The strike is good because baseball sucks and it will help diminish
    > the popularity of the sport and perhaps free up the TV for more
    > interesting and exciting things like "Home Gardening" and "Bowling
    > for Dollars" (both of which I would prefer to baseball).
    
    Damn, I agree!  I made the point with the hope that I was speaking to 
    a baseball fan.  :^)  NFL roolz, anyway.
    
    - Sean
    

>    I'm only repeating the contents of a radio morning show, but
>    it makes more sense than shawn's claim of 90 percent to the per-
>    former!!
    
    I don't understand how you can say "it makes more sense" when at
    least we can understand what Shawn is saying and yet have no clue
    as to what your radio show is saying - all the obvious interpretations 
    don't add up.
    
    But, if you want to say that it makes more sense, fine with me.

    
    
    ok.
    
    It makes more sense.  ;-)
    
    
    Shawn. Your reply is what I was trying to get at, but 90 percent
    of the original ticket price still appears to be too much.
    
    Does anyone have connections with the Centrum to find out what 
    the actual split is closer to???

    Actually, over the weekend it finally occurred to me what those
    percentages may be:  profit margins.
    
    I.E. Ticketmaster keeps 53% of THEIR revenue (the fees, etc.) as
    profit, why the artists only make 17%.
    
    However, your note gave the impression that the the artist's cut of
    some pie is 53% and the Ticketmaster cut of the SAME pie is 17%.  One
    thing I am certain of is that we are NOT talking about the same pie in
    those two percentages.
    
    And I suspect the reporter wanted you to think that too.   It's
    debating tactics 101:  give two unrelated numbers, make one bigger
    and dupe everyone into thinking that the bigger one implies "more"
    than the smaller one on the same scale.
    
    	db

    
    
        I've been swithering about getting the new cd,Is it in the
        same vain as the last two,or is it just a good read?????
    
                                  Auld yin.
    
    

    
    Vitalogy?  Or have I been asleep for the past few months and missed
    another release?!!!
    
    If you like the stuff on Ten and Vs. then it's great.  Buy it.
    
    They seem to move forward and produce new ideas well (IMO) whilst
    still producing great rock tracks amidst the strange crap that
    sometimes sneaks into their albums.
    
    Chris.
         

    I dont think you were sleeping... That be the one..
    SueJ

    ok Some fun for you guys.... 8P
    
    
    Heard a new Pearl Jam tune on the way in ....
    
    Whens the new release coming out ???????????
    
    SueJ

>    Heard a new Pearl Jam tune on the way in ....
>    
>    Whens the new release coming out ???????????


     suej... if you were listening to waaf this morning then you
     probably heard the song 'i got ID' (which is really called
     'i got sh!t' but i guess they <gasp> commercialized it...).

     pearl jam released a cd single today called 'merkin ball'.
     the cd has two songs... 'i got sh!t' and 'long road'.  they
     were recorded during the sessions for neil youngs mirror
     ball album.  stone gossard doesn't play on the single, but
     instead neil young does.

     /brian (who will be on his way to newbury comics at lunch)

     ps - the date for the album release has been pushed back
	  into the first part of the year.  the band had hoped
	  for a chistmas release... but i guess the single will
	  have to do for now.

    
    
    b-- Thank you sooo much!

    
    And Strawberries has LOTS of em! 8) yeaaaaaaaa

     picked up merkin ball last night... as suspected, two new songs;
     'i got ID' and 'long road'.  you can tell that they were recorded
     during the mirror ball sessions... both sound like they could
     easily have fit in on neil young's mirror ball album.  i was wrong
     the other day... not only does stone gossard not play on either
     track, but neither does mike mccready... the guitar work is
     solely from ed ved and neil.  kinda cool i guess, but since the
     words and music are by ed ved, and neither pj guitarist even
     plays (and jeff only plays on long road) i'm not really sure
     what this single has to do with pearl jam...?

     here is the info on the back cover of the single...

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

     pearl jam - merkin ball

     words/music by ed


     i got ID
     --------
	  ed vedder       - vocals/guitar
	  neil young      - guitar/pump organ/vocals
	  brendon o'brien - bass
	  jack irons	  - drums


     long road
     ---------
	  ed vedder       - vocals/guitar
	  neil young      - guitar/pump organ/vocals
	  jeff ament	  - bass
	  jack irons	  - drums


     this piece accompanies neil young's mirror ball

     -----------------------------------------------------------------

    I also picked up Merkin Ball last night (thanks for the tip bri)
    
    I like it... cant wait for the new release....
    
    SueJ
    

    "Yellow Lead Better"
    
    I have now heard this song several times and I must say I like it, but
    What the H@ll is he singing??  It sounds like he's just making noises,
    but I'm sure there is actually lyrics in there!  It's on the flipside
    to the Jeremy single
    
    
    Paully 8)
    

    We dont care... its a beautiful song !!!!! ;)

    Anyone hear about this "Three-fish" side project they got goin on?
    
    I saw the new releases that Slab posted and was wondering if anyone
    knows about this stuff?
    
    Like...which members...all or a couple...
    ...did they team up with anyone...if so, what band? 
    
    Ya know stuff like dat! 

From [email protected] Jul 25 09:31:23 1996
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 21:24:11 -0400
From: Jason Hirschhorn <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: TOUR DATES

The rock band Pearl Jam, whose campaign against high ticket prices has
hindered its touring the past two years, Wednesday announced a 31-date
concert tour of North America and Europe.

The band's publicist said the Grammy Award-winning group would begin
the U.S. leg in their Seattle home town on Sept. 16 and end in Miami
on Oct. 7.

The European leg will begin in Cork, Ireland, on Oct. 24 and end in
Lisbon, on Nov. 25. In all, they will play 11 U.S. dates, one Canadian
date, and 19 European dates.

U.S. venues were not announced yet, as some were still being
negotiated. Those confirmed so far range in size from 8,000 to 25,000
capacity.

The tour will help promote the band's new album "No Code," which is
scheduled to be in stores on August 27.

Although Pearl Jam ranks as one of the world's most popular rock
bands, their touring has been limited by their reluctance to play
major venues that have exclusive arrangements with ticketing giant
Ticketmaster.

Pearl Jam says Ticketmaster has a stranglehold on the industry
allowing it to charge excessive service charges. In retaliation, the
band last year contracted with a start-up ticketing agency and played
a handful of shows in non-traditional venues that weren't controlled
by Ticketmaster.

The band's last U.S. concert was Nov. 7 in San Diego, several months
after the Justice Department disappointed the group by dropping an
antitrust probe into Ticketmaster.

The publicist said ticketing arrangements would be handled by FT&T
(Fans, Tours & Tickets), a division of Philadelphia-based merchant
bank Fillmore Mercantile.

U.S. ticket prices will be a relatively modest $15-$22.50 each,
excluding a $2 service charge per ticket and a 50 cent fee per order.
The tickets will be sold through a toll-free line that will be
announced by radio stations in each tour market next month.
-------------
Pearl Jam
announced today a Fall tour which will include eleven U.S. dates,
one Canadian Date, and nineteen European dates.  The U.S. tour will
kick off in the band's hometown of Seattle on September 16 and will
end in Miami on October 7.  The European leg of the tour will begin
in Cork, Ireland on October 24 and end in Lisbon, Portugal on
November 25.  The tour follows the release of Pearl Jam's forthcoming
fourth album entitled "No Code"  which is scheduled to be in stores
on August 27th.

Venues, on-sale ticket dates and general ticket information for
the U.S. leg of the tour will be announced during the first three
weeks of August via local radio stations located in or near each of
the cities where the band is scheduled to play.

The tentative tour schedule is as follows:

PEARL JAM U.S. concert dates:

City/State                  Date(s)
Seattle                     September 16
Toronto, Ontario            September 21
Toledo, Ohio                September 22
Washington, D.C.            September 24
Augusta, Maine              September 26
New York                    September 28
New York                    September 29
Buffalo, N.Y.               October 1
Hartford, Conn.             October 2
Charlotte, N.C.             October 4
Charlestown, S.C.           October 5
Miami                       October 7

PEARL JAM European concert dates

City/Country                Date(s)
Cork, Ireland               October 24
Dublin, Ireland             October 26
London, England             October 28
London, England             October 29
Warsaw, Poland              November 1
Berlin, Germany             November 3
Hamburg, Germany            November 4
Amsterdam, Netherlands      November 6
Paris, France               November 7
Innsbruck, Austria          November 9
Zurich, Switzerland         November 10
Rome, Italy                 November 12
Milan, Italy                November 13
Prague, Czech Republic      November 15
Budapest, Hungary           November 17
Istanbul, Turkey            November 19
Barcelona, Spain            November 21
San Sebastian, Spain        November 22
Lisbon, Portugal            November 25
-----------------

    -2
    
    Three Fish is Bassist Jeff A. from PJ *only*.  The stuff is 
    very experimental -- not like PJ AT ALL!!!  

    
    	Oh, so you mean it might actually be good music?
    

    I heard the new track for "3 fish" abd the new PJ (Who you are?) and
    neither are impressive at all!  The fish stuff sounds kind of Peter
    Gabriel'ish...I hope there's better stuff to be heard from these
    respective albums.

    -1
    
    WHile PJ stuff sux in general, I didn't really mind the 3 fish stuff --
    fwiww, of course.

    I just heard a track off of the new Pearl Jam disc, and I must say - 
    I was not impressed. The song was kinda cool, but it sounded weak
    for a first single. 

    I was just reading the "Tour Gossip" at the Pollstar web site and they
    said that Pearl Jam's Toledo show sold out in 60 seconds!
    
    Paully 8)
    

    Anyone get through for tickets to Hartford ? 

>    Anyone get through for tickets to Hartford ? 

     ummm.... yep.  got thru for both augusta and hartford.  tried
     for buffalo and nyc too, but those tickets were not available
     to mass residents.  i'm looking forward to the shows...!

     /brian

    Bought No Code last week and gave it a few listens over the weekend.
    
    I still like the packaging.
    
    Ryener_disappointed 

      "No Code" is the best Pearl Jam ever.  This one won`t get as much 
    commercial success, but it is the one I`ve been waiting for.
      It`s real mellow and folky.  Eddie plays the harmonica and it
    sounds just like Neil Young.  
      The packaging rules.  The cover consists of 144 polaroids taken
    by the band.  On the inside there is a little packet of pictures -
    nine different ones with the lyrics to a song on the back of each
    one.  I would assume that each cd has different pictures.
      This album is GREAT.

    Cool ! Cant wait to hear it !!!!