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Title:HEAVY_METAL - Talent Round-Up DayDay
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786.0. "1991 MTV Video Awards" by VLNVAX::COOP (Twisting,Turning,Through the Never) Tue Sep 03 1991 16:20

    i know that it's usually dominated by Rap and Dance, but this year is a
    little different, I'd definetely say this year is the year of Rock and
    Metal...
    
    I'm talking about the...
    
    			1991 MTV video music awards!!!!!
    
    So hey feel free to openly criticize this show, give it all you got,
    cause I know all you people out there are just pent up with
    criticism... so give it a whirl...
    
            
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786.1CSC32::J_HERNANDEZWow, Where'd she get THOSE!Tue Sep 03 1991 16:244
    Why criticize something that ain't happened yet? 
    
    That's like saying the band "Chocolate Logs" sux. There ain't no band
    named that yet.
786.2that's the name of my band?!?!?!?!?VLNVAX::COOPTwisting,Turning,Through the NeverTue Sep 03 1991 16:273
    
    with a name like that, they gotta suck...
    
786.3DPDMAI::THRELFALLJudgeNotLestYeBeJudgedYourself!Tue Sep 03 1991 19:376
    I'll criticize one thing, there's WAY too much hype on it.
    
    Everytime I turn on MTV, there's some sh*t about the 1990 music awards
    or something, GEEEEEZ, gimme a break!
    
    'pril(workin' late)
786.4SUBURB::COOKSI Reek Of PutreficationWed Sep 04 1991 08:254
    How odd. Fancy hyping last year`s music awards. 
    
    Joe Strummer.
    
786.5ConfusedCOMICS::JAMESMMark James CSC UKWed Sep 04 1991 08:545
    Hi,
      Im confused, I haven't watched MTV for about 2 months, but, what was
    the awards thinggy that took place at the end of june with
    Roxette(yeah) and the Scorps etc??????
    
786.6POWDML::GOLDBERGtattoed dancerWed Sep 04 1991 10:4311
    
    
    The 1991 Music Video Awards brought to you by MTV is on tomorrow night
    (September 5).  I don't know what time its on, probably 8:00..  ? 
    Metallica has just been added to the bill, so thats one reason to watch
    it!  I think Guns n' Roses will also be performing..  
    
    I agree with you 'Pril!  The hype is driving me crazy too!  They do
    this kinda crap all the time though..
    
    Goddess F.
786.7I refuse to write a titleKIDVAX::COOPTwisting,Turning,Through the NeverWed Sep 04 1991 13:5418
     Metallica will be there, so won't queensryche, and so won't Van Halen
    (who i think is opening the show), and Guns N Roses will appear VIA
    satelite. 
    
    RE: 786.5
    
    	That was the Second annual Rock Awards, and to tell you the truth,
    they were so badly put together, I would've rather watched Yo MTV
    craps. So thats just a hint of how bad this show was. 
    
    As for the hype, It really is bad.... Every other hour there is a MUSIC
    AWARD SPOTLIGHT show... **BFD**, and for a month or 2 after the Award
    show there will be REWIND shows, which include clips from the
    ceremony...
    jeez can't they just leave well enough alone....
    
    Chris
    
786.8MILKWY::SLABOUNTYExit light ... enter night.Wed Sep 04 1991 14:3912
    
    	Any bets on what the H_M video winner will be?  I'd put $100 on
    
    
    	"Silent Lucidity", because that's the song all the teeny-boppers
    	love.
    
    	It should be "Uncle Tom's Cabin" or "You Could Be Mine", but both
    	will lose because they're the best ones of the bunch.  That's a
    	warped way of reasoning it out, but that's the way it'll go.
    
    							GTI
786.9QUEENSRYCHE: the group that wins everythingKIDVAX::COOPTwisting,Turning,Through the NeverWed Sep 04 1991 14:4712
    
    Just a tidbit of prediction here... Queensryche is going to win BIG at
    the awards this year...
    
    This is something short of a guarntee, but I bet QR wins every award
    they're nominated For... do you weant to know why, because the viewers
    choice award usually dictates who wins the major awards and right now
    QUEENSRYCHE is blowing everyone away, with over 40% of the votes, the
    second place group is REM with 22%.... Guess who won....
    
    Chris
    
786.10POWDML::GOLDBERGtattoed dancerWed Sep 04 1991 14:477
    
    
    So how do you know what the nominees are?
    
    I voted for "Losing my Religion" on the voters choice award..
    
    Goddess
786.11And the winner is: QUEENSRYCHEKIDVAX::COOPTwisting,Turning,Through the NeverWed Sep 04 1991 14:5711
    
    Every now and then they will show the nominees... or just catch one of
    the MTV spotlight shows, H_M/HR ctegory has 8 nominees...
    
    I voted for the winner....
    
    
    			QUEENSRYCHE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Chris
    
786.12JJLIET::JUDYBorn to be wild...Fri Sep 06 1991 10:3132
    
    
    	I don't have the listing of all the winners but here's a few
    	things that stuck out in my mind.
    
    	EXTREMELY unorganized.  Arsenio didn't know when they were coming
    	back from commercials etc.
    
    	Queensryche and Don Henley had the best performances.  Prince 
    	should have gotten the "let's see how much we can get away with"
    	award for his act.  The 'dancers' hardly had anything on!
    	Poison, interestingly enough, did "Talk Dirty To Me" for their
    	performance rather than something more recent....and CC dyed
    	his hair HOT PINK!  Paula Abdul's new song bites the big one.
    	Some chick from Jane's Addiction (I thought they were all guys)	
    	was so drunk she couldn't talk straight.  It's a good thing
    	that C&C Music Factory's Velma Davis can sing well and is
    	pretty, cuz she isn't very intelligent.  At least not from 
    	what I heard of her 'thank you' speeches.  REM won 6 or 7 awards.
    	Chris Isaak won three.  George Michael looked like a geek with
    	all his hair hacked off (I still like his music though).  Bon Jovi
    	looked good and dedicated their award to the fans and the producer
    	of the vids Ron (?) Isham.  Downtown Julie Brown's outfit couldn't
    	have POSSIBLY been any shorter....nor could Cher's, who by the
    	way now has red hair.
    
    	I think that sums it up.
    
    	Oh and Steven Tyler presented the first award with Linda Hamilton
    	so he came on stage dressed in her T2 outfit.
    
    
786.13CAVLRY::BUCKThe long & winding roadFri Sep 06 1991 11:0363
    >	Queensryche and Don Henley had the best performances.  Prince 
    >	should have gotten the "let's see how much we can get away with"
    >	award for his act.  The 'dancers' hardly had anything on!
    
    Prince ROOOLZ!!!  He is always one step ahead of everyone else!
    
    >	Poison, interestingly enough, did "Talk Dirty To Me" for their
    >	performance rather than something more recent....
    
    That's cuz all their most recent stuff really blows as opposed t
    kinda blows!
    
    >and CC dyed his hair HOT PINK!  
    
    What a pussy poseur!!
    
    >Paula Abdul's new song bites the big one.
    
    Agreed!
    
    >	Some chick from Jane's Addiction (I thought they were all guys)	
    
    They are!
    
    >	was so drunk she couldn't talk straight. 
    
    See name for explanation.
    
    > It's a good thing that C&C Music Factory's Velma Davis can 
    > sing well and is pretty, cuz she isn't very intelligent.  
    
    She can sing *ok*, but she isn't as good as the woman who sang on the
    album (the chick from the Weather Girls!)!
    
    
    >	Chris Isaak won three. 
    
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      \'o.O'    
      =(___)=   Aack!!!
         U      
    
    > George Michael looked like a geek with all his hair hacked off 
    
    He's still trying to copy me!  I mena, when I streaked my hair
    blonde, he did, I whack off all my hair, he does....sheeeesh!
    
    >...nor could Cher's, who by the way now has red hair.
    
    Honey, don't you know a wig when you see one?!?!?   Gawd!
    
    >	I think that sums it up.
    
    Basically.
    
    >	Oh and Steven Tyler presented the first award with Linda Hamilton
    >	so he came on stage dressed in her T2 outfit.
     
    Steven up to his old tricks.  Years ago, I knew people who were really
    in with Asmith, and got invited to a few of their parties.  One time,
    at a birthday party for Brad Whitford, Steven knew Carly Simon was
    going to be there, so he came to the party in drag and looked just like 
    her...pretty scary!!
786.14My thoughts ...RAVEN1::JERRYWHITEHere's a quarter ...Fri Sep 06 1991 11:0747
Let's see ... my reviews ... 8^)

GENERAL:  Arsenio's a waste of time, and they gave him an award for it !  I 
was glad to see Pee Wee Herman kick things off.  Pee Wee's first line was, 
"heard any good jokes lateley ?".  It was great.  Cher was a knockout - 
Pauley Shore was a geek - Cyndi Crawford is WAY overrated - so is Linda 
Hamilton.  Now for the live performance reviews ...

VAN HALEN:  I like these guys anyway, so I knew I'd go for their show.  
Naturally they did `Poundcake', but they did it to the letter.  They were 
the very 1st band so the sound was primo.  

POISON:  These guys were pathetic.  CC was hitting one sour note after 
another, pink hair and all.  Stepped on his guitar cord and snatched it out 
of his guitar at one point.  When they finished with `Talk Dirty To Me', 
Brett said, `... it ain't perfect, but it's rock and roll ...'.  No sh*t !

GUNS 'N ROSES:  `Live And Let Die' ?  Puuuhleeeze ... they butchered an 
already way-lame tune.  Axle was sporting a kilt and a flannel shirt - 
very cute.  

DON HENLEY:  A class act from cover to cover.  He did `The Heart Of The 
Matter" .... very VERY good performance.

PRINCE:  He took it to the limit for sure.  But I gotta give credit where 
it's due - the man's a genius, with more creativity in one of hist farts 
than the rest of the performers could muster in a lifetime.  I must admit, 
seeing his ass cheeks falling out of his pants did nothing for me ...  8^)

PAULA ABDUL:  She's getting chubby again ... the new tune didn't do much for 
me.

MARIAH CAREY:  I missed this spot (dammit !).

CC MUSIC FACTORY:  Velma's a doll - other than that, nothing new.

LL COOL J:  Give me my gun ...

QUEENSRYCHE:  Da boys done good.  Class, all the way.  Arsenio screwed up 
trying to say `Silent Lucidity' ... I'll lay off the racial slurrs ...

METALLICA:  The intro to `Sandman' was taped, but they slammed it out 
pretty good.  Hetfeild sounded GREAT ... the vocal harmonies were kinda 
shakey though ...


Scary
786.15VCSESU::MOSHER::COOKDemons fall as Angels thriveFri Sep 06 1991 11:098
    
    Metallica was awesome!!!!!
    
    And you heard it here first, Guns & Roses finally has my full respect.
    That version of McCartney's "Live and Let Die" was beautiful!! Way to
    go!
    
    /prc
786.16CAVLRY::BUCKThe long & winding roadFri Sep 06 1991 11:144
    I agree weith /prc, the Guns rocked it out on a cool McCartney
    tune!
    
    Another notch up for GnR in my book
786.17McCartney sux though ... 8^)RAVEN1::JERRYWHITEHere's a quarter ...Fri Sep 06 1991 11:283
    You guys can't be serious ....
    
    Scary
786.18My jaw was on the floor, man!VCSESU::MOSHER::COOKDemons fall as Angels thriveFri Sep 06 1991 11:372
    
    It's an excellent tune, and G&R ROCKED it!
786.19No dude, VH suxs!! CAVLRY::BUCKThe long & winding roadFri Sep 06 1991 11:423
    Serious, dude!
    
    McCartney rooolz as a song writer, and GnR rocked it down!
786.20IMTDEV::COOPERStep UP to the RACK !Fri Sep 06 1991 12:0415
I tend to agree with Scary - GnR's version of the Bond theme was a hack, IMHO.
Ack!  To each his own I guess.

I was terribly impressed with Metallica.  If you ask me, Bob Rock did what 
needed to be done for them - did you hear the crown last year as opposed to
this year ??  I bet Jamez could - did you see them all smilin' ??  They KNEW 
they done good !

I love QR, and I think that Chris Issac song is "kinda neet, but not my 
cupotea - Nuf said there...

I ignored the rest of it, but PeeWee had me ROLLLLLIN' !

:)

786.21RAVEN1::JERRYWHITEHere's a quarter ...Fri Sep 06 1991 12:088
    I wondered how long it would be before the `VH sux' playground bullsh*t
    started ... kids ...
    
    Metallica definitely did better than last year - James was pleased when
    the song was over - it was splattered all over his face.
    
    
    Scary
786.22METALX::SWANSONWhere angels fear to treadFri Sep 06 1991 12:0822
    No way, Live And Let Die is a good song... and they ruined it!!!
    Absolutely horrible version I thought...
    And Axl looked like a jerk in that dress too.  Just MHO.
    
> QUEENSRYCHE:  Da boys done good.  Class, all the way.  Arsenio screwed up 
> trying to say `Silent Lucidity'.
    
    Yeah, but I could tell he was impressed after they were done.  He
    practiced saying lucidity a few times like he was kicking himself for
    not saying right the first time.
    
    Metallica kicked a$$ of course.  But I wish somebody really would take
    that wah-wah away from Kirk!  
    
    I had to laugh when Jon Bomb(TM) said "nice hair CC" before his
    acceptance speech!  His hair wasn't hot pink on my TV though.  Just
    bright red... redder than Cher's
    
    |KS|
    
    
    
786.23IMTDEV::COOPERStep UP to the RACK !Fri Sep 06 1991 12:1811
But not redder than Jaz had hers last week.  Wagagagagagagagagaa...
Sorry QT...

Oh, I forgot - thanks Scary.

VanHalen smoked.  But I think Eddies guit is BUTT-UGLY !
Did you check out the *9* Ampeg SVTs ?!!  Gawd !
Eddie had some (10!) Marshalls with 5150 painted on 'em,
and some cabs I couldn't see the logo on...

jc
786.24Eddie goes PEAVEYCAVLRY::BUCKThe long & winding roadFri Sep 06 1991 12:2326
>    No way, Live And Let Die is a good song... and they ruined it!!!
>    Absolutely horrible version I thought...
>    And Axl looked like a jerk in that dress too.  Just MHO.
 
    Hey |KS|, get a life...that was a kilt, *not* a dress!  Sheeesh...
    
    
    RE: VH
    
    Scary, twas a joke, son...a joke!
    
>VanHalen smoked.  But I think Eddies guit is BUTT-UGLY !
    
    I think they sounded good, but that they were pretty boring to watch.
    Also, they need new clothes...their image really don work!
    
>Eddie had some (10!) Marshalls with 5150 painted on 'em,
    
    They are PEAVEY heads with 5150 painted on em.  Also, he had 15 of em,
    not 10.
    
>and some cabs I couldn't see the logo on...
    
    said PEAVEY!
    
    
786.25RAVEN1::JERRYWHITEHere's a quarter ...Fri Sep 06 1991 12:256
    The cabs had PEAVEY on 'em ...
    
    Scary (who firmly believes that you could put a 25W Celestion in a
    trash can and it would sound as good as a Marshall cab ...).
    
    Agreed, the new guitar is rough on the eyes ...
786.26MR4DEC::JWHITMANFri Sep 06 1991 12:4017
    
    
    
    Metallica ROCKED! I was way surprised they sounded that good! 
    backups where a little shakey.. but James sounded GREAT!
    
    QR also rocked... 
    
    Poison! HAHA! THEY SUCKED! I could'nt believe how bad they sounded!
    and CC.. GIVE ME A BREAK!!! That bass sounded great... (yaright) 
    
    
    Poor Paula... did'nt care much for the song... or her butt... she
    looked huge! 
    
    
    JW-
786.27Missed the Whole ThingCARROL::LEPAGEMy bear to crossFri Sep 06 1991 12:4516
    
    	Well, as far as my two cents, I missed the whole thing.
    Unfortunately I live on the edge of the observable universe and have no
    cable. To tell you the truth, I really don't miss that uncontrolled
    monopolizer of music video. I watched it for the first time in two
    years when I was in Florida this past July and was appalled by how much
    rap they played (I was impressed with "Liquid TV").
    	In any case, I don't miss it, don't care about the phony awards
    they give out. I just spent my night listening to my latest batch of
    Zep' bootlegs.
    
    				Drew L.
    
    P.S. Yes, I'm a first time noter and feel much better for getting this
         MTV stuff off my chest.
    
786.28IMTDEV::COOPERStep UP to the RACK !Fri Sep 06 1991 13:077
RE: Eddie...

I coulda sworn I saw (and Cindi saw) a small Marshall logo in the 
lower right corner of those heads...  Oh well.  PEavy eh ? Wagagagagaga.
Wonders never cease.

jc (Who was WICKED happy for Metallica)
786.29QRYCHE::STARRSpontaneity has its time and place.Fri Sep 06 1991 13:1136
I caught about half the show, after getting together with the HouseMeister 
and Buck-E-Lee and crowd....

My $.02....

GENERAL:  Arsenio bit it, time for a new host! And I agree that Cindy Crawford
          is overrated, whoever she is. She wasn't that hot last night! (First
          time I'd ever heard of her - who is she?)

Van Halen, Poison, Mariah Carey, C&C Music Factory - missed them (wanted to 
see VH too!)

GUNS 'N ROSES: I thought this was ok, nothing great. Axle looked totally 
               stupid in his kilt. Song was pretty good, fairly normal cover
               of it really.....

DON HENLEY: I agree with Scary - class act all teh way! `The Heart Of The 
            Matter" is just an awesome song, and that acoustic version was
            just beautiful!

PRINCE: I liked this! I think its one of Price's best songs since the 'Purple
        Rain' days. And him getting back to sex as a main theme is cool to 
        see - that's where he's best! The live performance was basically the
        same look as the video - HOT! ("Twenty-three positions in a one-night
        stand.....")

PAULA ABDUL: The new song really s*cked! Totally disappointed me....

LL COOL J: Not very good, they shoulda had more controversial rappers on, like 
           NWA or Pulbic Enemy....

QUEENSRYCHE: Sounded good, but it was a pretty boring performance. No soul or
             anything to it, just going through the motions.

METALLICA: Impressive! At first I thought they were playing the album, 'cause
           it sounded so close! 
786.30METALX::SWANSONWhere angels fear to treadFri Sep 06 1991 13:213
    Hey Buck, why don't you get one.  Kilt/dress... whatever.  It was a
    plaid skirt, and he wasn't playing bagpipes!  (:
    
786.31MILKWY::SLABOUNTYExit light ... enter night.Fri Sep 06 1991 13:348
    
    	That's ZELMA Davis, not Velma.  And I'm sorry I missed her.  Darn!!
    
    	I didn't like the Prince song a whole lot, but the stage was in-
    	credible!!  Must have taken all night to set that thing up!!
    
    
    							GTI
786.32I'm still dazedKIDVAX::COOPTwisting,Turning,Through the NeverFri Sep 06 1991 13:507
    
    Actually I think the best looking woman there was Mariah Carey... Oh my
    god, culdn't believe how tight those shorts were...
    
    
    Chris.
    
786.33RAVEN1::JERRYWHITEHere's a quarter ...Fri Sep 06 1991 13:523
    She's definitely table grade ...  8^)
    
    Scary
786.34USOPS::GALLANTDevil's daughter...Fri Sep 06 1991 14:0450
    
	I haven't watched the entire thing yet but I taped it so
    	I'll air my opinions tomorrow on Metallica, etc...
    
    	RE: JJ
    	>Prince should have gotten the "let's see how much we can get away 
    	>with" award for his act.  The 'dancers' hardly had anything on!
    
    	And I'll bet hardly anyone will squawk like they did with Madonna
    	last year and the dancer under the dress..
    
    	>Paula Abdul's new song bites the big one.
    
    	Big ditto!!! JR from ZOU said she looked like an M&M peanut
    	with legs - and the Madonna outfit did absolutely NOTHING
    	for her.
    	
	>REM won 6 or 7 awards.
    
    	Ever notice you can tell who's going to win all the awards
    	before the show even begins?!  Why REM?!	
    
	>Downtown Julie Brown's outfit couldn't have POSSIBLY been any 
    	>shorter....nor could Cher's, who by the way now has red hair.
    
    	Probably matched the length of Mariah Carey's from what I
    	could tell.  I remember Julie Brown being in the crowd at
    	one point - suffice it to say it's a good thing she had
    	matching gold underwear on.  Yeuck!
    
    	RE: CC dying his hair hot pink
    
    	hee hee... Again, JR on ZOU this morning summed it up pretty
    	good.  "He looked like a Wishkin!"  Y'know, those little dolls
    	with all the hair.  If you shook 'em enough the hair would
    	stand on end and the eyes would bulge out.  I figured that
    	maybe he was related to Cyndi Lauper somewhere along the 
    	way. (;  ...or maybe he's just wishing to come back as her. (8
    
    	>Pauley Shore was a geek - Cyndi Crawford is WAY overrated 
    
    	Cindy Crawford is WAY overrated AND is a geek.  She looked
    	like someone punched her in the eye and forced her to look
    	like a carbon copy of a Cosmo cover in 1972.
    
    	
    	All in all, from what I viewed (between 8-11), it was 
    	really rather boring.  )8
    
    	tigg~~~~
786.35USOPS::GALLANTDevil's daughter...Fri Sep 06 1991 14:1216
    
	RE: Cat
    	>is overrated, whoever she is. She wasn't that hot last night! (First
	>time I'd ever heard of her - who is she?)

    	"Supermodel" - ha!  She just sort of popped onto the scene
    	one day (IMO) Last I knew, she was involved with Richard
    	Gere...
    
    	RE: PRince
    
    	Did he do "Gett Off?"  I heard that for the first time a few
    	days ago - awesome!!!  And you're right.  He had gone down
    	hill since Purple Rain - this might just be a blessing!
    
    	tigg~~~
786.36JJLIET::JUDYBorn to be wild...Fri Sep 06 1991 14:2730
    
    
    	re: Scary
    
    	Mariah's performance was excellent as well.  It looks like
    	she's put on a bit of weight but I'd still kill to look like
    	her.  =)
    
    	re: Tigg
    
    	Mariah had shorts on, not a skirt....Julie's was definitely
    	a dress....of some sort.
    
    	And yeah, Prince did Get Off....cool tune.  The stage was 
    	incredible.  And you're probably right....no one will say
    	a word about it....
    
    	Did anyone else notice that "the powers that be" did a lousy
    	job of editing out the "nasty" words?  They were a few tenths
    	of a second of and ended up editing the wrong words! (for
    	those who didn't watch, it was on a 7 second tape delay or
    	something because of what happened last year with Dice)
    
    	re: CC looking like a Wishkin
    
    	bahahahahahahahahaaaaa!  that's the funniest thing I've heard
    	JR say....sorry I missed it this morning!
    
    	JJ
    
786.37MR4DEC::JWHITMANFri Sep 06 1991 14:394
    
    
    	All I heard was $h!t a couple of times.. They bleeped out 
    	when Arsenio introduced Prince..
786.38must be their mouthsHAVASU::HEISERstep into my grooveFri Sep 06 1991 14:393
    in with Asmith, and got invited to a few of their parties.  One time,
    at a birthday party for Brad Whitford, Steven knew Carly Simon was
    going to be there, so he came to the party in drag and looked just like 
786.39HAVASU::HEISERstep into my grooveFri Sep 06 1991 14:5418
    Re: Van Halen
    
>    Also, they need new clothes...their image really don work!
    
    Okay...
    
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786.40RAVEN1::JERRYWHITEHere's a quarter ...Fri Sep 06 1991 15:014
    Yeah, I can tell by the MILLIONS of records that they're selling that
    the image isn't working ... sheesh ... 8^)
    
    Scary
786.41DPDMAI::THRELFALLCatch the Spirit,Catch the Spit!Fri Sep 06 1991 15:0442
    Okay, Okay...
    
    I likes CC's hair!!  Looks sorta like mine!!  It washes out after a few
    days BTW.  Brett's vocals sounded sharp!  Jim they did NOT suck.  Like
    I said, after a band makes it big like they have, they can afford *not*
    to practice...
    
    Metallica sounded cool.  I didn't like the part where they dubbed in
    the part "Now I lay me down to sleep..." sounded LAME-O IMO.  I likes
    the way the guitarist (WTF IS his name anyway??  I always get them
    mixed up) kept tossing that head around!  Looked AWESOME!  They RULE.
    
    REM SUX!
    
    Van Halen kicked some major butt.  I liked the power drill Eddie used. 
    Thought it ruled!  I especially liked the interview before the show
    with Sammy.  I freaked when he said he took a pay cut to join VH...
    
    STEPHEN TYLER RULES!~  I love that guys attitude!!  Enough said there.
    
    Queensryche was awesome, but what else did you expect??  They were the
    best act of the whole show!  Can't believe they only won ONE award?? 
    At leas tit was the viewer's choice!
    
    Paula Abdul's dancers deserved an award for lifting her fat jug-butt off
    the floor!!  `8)
    
    Maria Carey is gaining my respect.  I could tell it was kinda hard for
    her to hit the "high" notes.  I think Arsenio has a crush on her...
    
    EMF is cool.  The scene over in England looked more happnin' than over
    here!  WTF??  Those Brits know how to bounce!
    
    Prince's act looked more like an orgy!  I enjoyed his show though. 
    Just what he needed since Purple Rain. 
    
    Chris Isaak looked like a goofball every time he tried to accept an
    award!  
    
    I know I'm forgetting something...
    
    'pril
786.42Gunslinger takes his piece-name that tuneKIDVAX::COOPAre you looking for a kick in the head?Fri Sep 06 1991 15:0613
    Yeah but after one week at number one they get knocked off by Skid Row,
    and after one week of them being number one they got knowcked off by
    Natalie cole, and three weeks after she became number one she was
    knocked off by....
    
    
    			METALLICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Who are still there and have been for two weeks... Guess whose image is
    working better??????    8*)
    
    Chris
    
786.43USOPS::GALLANTDevil's daughter...Fri Sep 06 1991 15:1020
    
    	RE: 'pril
    	>REM SUX!
    
    	Amen!
    
    	RE: Mariah had shorts
    
    	Whoooops... I caught her at the very end and Karrie just
    	mentioned something about her attire being short...Whew.
    	I would've lost a bit of respect for the chick if it was
    	a skirt. 
    
    	>gained a little weight
    
    	...that she desperately needed!!  The woman was a walking
    	twig!
    
    	tigg~~~~
    
786.44MR4DEC::JWHITMANFri Sep 06 1991 15:1111
    
    
    
    	Poison SUCKED... 
    
    	and I like Posion! 
    
    	They where sloppy, sounded like sh!t.. etc... 
 	The only thing that sounded good was Bretts voice..
    	
    	
786.45HAVASU::HEISERstep into my grooveFri Sep 06 1991 15:154
    Re: table grade
    
    I have no idea what that saying means, but I'm sure glad I have a 6'
    diameter table ;-)
786.46Like a wolf in sheeps clothing - name it!KIDVAX::COOPAre you looking for a kick in the head?Fri Sep 06 1991 15:2010
    
    I think table grade means, Good enough to eat....
    
    C'mon who out there wouldn't like to dive in like she was a
    day after thanksgiving turkey sandwich...
    
    
    
    Chris
    
786.47DPDMAI::THRELFALLCatch the Spirit,Catch the Spit!Fri Sep 06 1991 15:211
    me for one.
786.48HAVASU::HEISERstep into my grooveFri Sep 06 1991 15:221
    gee, I wonder why
786.49Hit one of those high notes darlin' ...RAVEN1::JERRYWHITEHere's a quarter ...Fri Sep 06 1991 15:233
    .... I need to go take a walk ...
    
    Scary
786.50Women and Men: god I hated the movie.KIDVAX::COOPit wasn't me, whatever happened...Fri Sep 06 1991 15:528
    
    RE: .47
    
    i should hope Not. I was refering to the male gender, actually.
    
    
    Chris, the terrible zookeeper
    
786.51JJLIET::JUDYBorn to be wild...Fri Sep 06 1991 17:454
    
    	Oh yeah, and they had "Wayne's World" on too.  First
    	time I've seen 'em.  Too funny!
    
786.52DPDMAI::THRELFALLCatch the Spirit,Catch the Spit!Fri Sep 06 1991 18:475
    BTW...
    
    That drunken bimbo that spoke for Jane's Addiction is Perry's
    girfriend.  I thought she had cool hair!  Oh, and Cher's hair is NOT a
    wig, I could tell.  She looked good for her...
786.53Missed itGOES11::G_HOUSEWhy NOT ask why?Sat Sep 07 1991 16:524
    So, did someone tape this that would be willing to loan me a copy? 
    Sounds like I missed some interesting stuff.
    
    gh, who sez he's gotta get the VCR fixed...
786.54CAVLRY::BUCKThe long & winding roadSun Sep 08 1991 12:038
    Pril,�
    
    I know 2 things:
    
    1) Cher wear��s a wig 98% of the time
    2) She has NOT dyed her hair red
    
    So...
786.55USOPS::GALLANTDevil's daughter...Mon Sep 09 1991 09:0010
    
    
    	RE: Buck
    
    	So... she didn't flip her hair back like she usually does.
    	She went to do it and then sort of just fixed it.  Imagine
    	if she had flipped it and the whole thing went WHooooooosh!
    	to hit some poor grip in the back. (8
    
    	tigg~~~~
786.56Chris, who has 20 SNL's on tape....KIDVAX::COOPCome crawling FASTER!!!!Mon Sep 09 1991 09:219
    
    HEY, Gh...
    
    		I taped it. I always tape anything that people might
    borrow... 8*)
    
    
    Chris.
    
786.57POWDML::GOLDBERGuncongressional mosh!Mon Sep 09 1991 10:0327
    
    
    My .02 cents..  I only watched it till 11:15 or so..  I couldn't make
    it any longer than that, and missed it this weekend!
    
    
    Van Halen has to stop dressing for their stage outfits at the
    Salvation Army!!  Sammy wears clothes my dad would wear to the beach!
    
    Paula Abdul was fat!!  Even her face looked chubby, like she had
    recently gained weight.
    
    Poisen bit!
    
    Mariah Carey was cool.
    
    REM's video "Losing My Religion" is the balls, IMHO.  I voted for it...
    
    C&C Music Factory was good, but not great.  JJ, I agree, Zelma does
    sound like a lamebrain.  Actually, none of them sounded filled with
    intelligence that night!
    
    Was (not Was)...  was..  cool!
    
    Arsenio Hall did an OK job..  I agree, time for a new host!
    
    Goddess F.
786.58USOPS::GALLANTDevil's daughter...Mon Sep 09 1991 10:4116
    
    
    	RE: VH
    
    	I didn't see anything wrong with the way they were dressed.
    	With the likes of Madonna dressing the way she does and
    	other bands dressing unmatched on PURPOSE, I thought VH
    	looked like a rock band... 
    
    	I did go back and watch what I had on tape, but just as
    	I was watching Prince - it stopped!! )8
    
    	Anyone know how much longer the awards were on for and how
    	much of it I missed??
    
    	tigg~~~~
786.59POWDML::GOLDBERGuncongressional mosh!Mon Sep 09 1991 10:426
    
    
    Oh, I definetly agree that they looked like a rock band, and fit in
    with whats new in the fashion department wholly.
    
    I've never been one to like whats "in style" much anyways!!
786.60DDIF::JUDYBorn to be wild...Mon Sep 09 1991 11:058
    
    
    	Tigg,
    
    	Prince was the last act I think and then they gave out the award
    	for Best Vid of the Year....you didn't miss too much of it.
    	I have it on tape if you wanna see it anyway.
    
786.61But I'll wait till later to say what I feel.COMET::FRISBYAI'm the Lovin' KindMon Sep 09 1991 11:267
       Greg...You can come over to my house sometime and watch it.
    
              I don't even wanna talk about this show!
    
                         Frizkid.....Who saw Van Halen 11th row
    center on Friday night!!!!!!!!!!
    
786.62CSC32::J_HERNANDEZSheTakesDictationW/OTheTationMon Sep 09 1991 11:465
    Forget Paula Abdul putting on a couple lbs. WHAT THE HELL DID SHE DO TO
    HER HAIR? I was all ready to come in here and call all you femine types
    jealous, but I gotta agree wif ya. Tragically horrid. I nearly wept.
    
    Didn't see too much cuz college football was on. 
786.63USOPS::GALLANTDevil's daughter...Mon Sep 09 1991 11:4710
    	
    	RE: Jess
    
    	I think it was a wig.  Her hair is normally a lighter color
    	brown and she had it done up to look like the hippie-era
    	that's making such a come back right now...
    
    	BLECK..
    
    	tigg~~~~
786.64MR4DEC::JWHITMANAprilwastheseason, andalsothename.Mon Sep 09 1991 11:578
    
    
    
    
    	GGGEEEESSSHHHH Do you think EVERYONE wore a wig that night?!?! ;')
    
    
    
786.65CSC32::J_HERNANDEZSheTakesDictationW/OTheTationMon Sep 09 1991 12:024
    re Tig,
    
    THAT kinda hair is coming back? I useta (still would if I got the
    chance) bust on my mom cuz she useta wear her hair like dat!
786.66Groove is in the fart....VLNVAX::COOPCome crawling FASTER!!!!Mon Sep 09 1991 12:066
    
    the hair from the 70's. Ya know, Dee-Lite, and Paula in the MC Skat
    Crap, video. And a few others. 
    
    Dee-ChrisE.
    
786.67Re_Broadcast for people who never had MTVJUPITR::WCLUETTFor Unlawful Carnal KnowledgeMon Sep 09 1991 12:145
    MTV awards on I think Fox (25) tomorrow night at 8pm... 
    They will probably cut out some acts though - its been edited for 2
    hours...
    
    /w
786.68USOPS::GALLANTDevil's daughter...Mon Sep 09 1991 12:198
    
    
    	RE: That kinda hair is coming back
    
    	Yup... straight and with the thick headband holding it off
    	your face... blecko.
    
    	tigg~~~
786.6969, dudes!!!CAVLRY::BUCKCarry on, cuz nothing really mattersMon Sep 09 1991 12:241
    
786.70CSC32::J_HERNANDEZSheTakesDictationW/OTheTationMon Sep 09 1991 12:504
    Da first time I seen dat de-lite vid,  I thought I accidently switched
    it to "Nick at Night" and Laugh-in was on.
    
    Please God, don't let that style make it back.  *^(
786.71BAFFOON!COMET::FRISBYAI'm the Lovin' KindMon Sep 09 1991 12:5910
      All I gotta say is:
    
    
    
    
    
                KICK C.C. OUT OF THAT BAND..................
    
                                   Frizkid
    
786.72I know ninjitsu, and badda-bing-badda-bang----KIDVAX::COOPNever you hear the Discouraging liesMon Sep 09 1991 13:0311
    
    I'm pretty sure that they're breaking up.... sorry all you posi-fans,
    but that's the breaks of life.... (hee hee hee)
    
    
    
    8')
    
    Chris, the ever happy dude who knows Metallica will never break up, cos
    if they do, I'll break their legs....... 8')
    
786.73C.C. YOUR SUCH A PRICK C**KSUCKER!COMET::FRISBYAI'm the Lovin' KindMon Sep 09 1991 13:177
      Chris.....
    
                   Just keep em' off buses!!
                       BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
    
          Frizkid...Who says Bret would do better to do solo albums!
    
786.74Worth seeing ONCEWMOIS::MAZURKASon of the DawnMon Sep 09 1991 13:317
    Bret doing a solo album???
    Now THATS SCARY(tm)!!!!
    
    Billy Idol looked in great shape.I almost sh*t when he pulled the 
    envelope outta his zipper!!!
    
        Crazy_Assineo_is_a_pineapple_headed_Jerk_Al
786.75What Zeppelin didn't win anything?8")!COMET::FRISBYAI'm the Lovin' KindMon Sep 09 1991 13:4016
        Bret has a GOOD voice.....I just wish he had better musicians with
    him!
    
                I loved it where Billyy Idol said "Been caught WANKIN'"!!!
    
           I died!     
    
                      Just like Perry....His girlfriend is just as STUPID!
    
       Aerosmith WON best heavy_metal/hard rock!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
              {INSERT FRIZKID GLOATING}
    
    
                          Frizkid
    
786.76METALX::SWANSONWhere angels fear to treadMon Sep 09 1991 13:424
    Speaking of Billy Idol, that reminds me... didn't he alter the name of
    the winning video that he announced?!  I forget which one won.  It was
    in the alternative category I think.  But whatever the title was, he
    threw in the word "wanker" in place of another one!  
786.77POWDML::GOLDBERGuncongressional mosh!Mon Sep 09 1991 13:457
    
    
    Hey Ken, see -1!
    
    I thought that the girl up there was Jane!  As in, "Jane's Addition" ?
    
    Goddess F.
786.78METALX::SWANSONWhere angels fear to treadMon Sep 09 1991 13:465
    re: .75 & .77
    
    Yeah,  I see it!  We must have both been typing at the same time!
    
    
786.79CSC32::J_HERNANDEZSheTakesDictationW/OTheTationMon Sep 09 1991 13:532
    Yo F. that had to be addicted to something, I'm sorry, but people just
    aren't naturally that wierd. 
786.80...and not addicted (that you know of)GOES11::G_HOUSEWhy NOT ask why?Mon Sep 09 1991 14:451
    I am!
786.81HAVASU::HEISERstep into my grooveMon Sep 09 1991 15:3290
Article 945 of clari.news.music:
From: [email protected] (DOLLIE F. RYAN)
Newsgroups: clari.news.music,clari.news.tv,clari.news.top
Subject: Live performances showcased at MTV awards
Date: 6 Sep 91 05:42:20 GMT
Priority: major


	LOS ANGELES (UPI ) -- Alternative rock group R.E.M., rocker Chris
Isaak and the techno-pop C+C Music Factory took top honors at an 8th
annual MTV Video Music Awards Thursday night that featured some rare
live performances.
	R.E.M. won in six of its nine nominated categories, including video
of the year for ``Losing My Religion.'' Isaak took three awards and C+C
Music Factory won two.
	``We'd like to thank the fans from 12 years back all the way to
today,'' said R.E.M.'s lead singer Michael Stipe, who served as a
walking billboard throughout the night, changing T-shirts that offered
political opinions on everything from abortion to gun control.
	Isaak's sexually provocative video ``The Wicked Game,'' took top
honors for best male video, cinematography and best video for a film for
the Nicholas Cage movie, ``Wild at Heart.''
	Janet Jackson's ``Love Will Never Do Without You'' was named best
female video, beating a bizarre list of nominees, ranging from Christian
singer Amy Grant to Madonna's masturbation-tainted ``Like A Virgin.''
	Aerosmith was named best metal-hard rock video for ``The Other Side.''
	Backstage, Aerosmith's Steven Tyler commented on the group's
longevity, saying, ``I don't take things too seriously. I take the music
seriously and the albums seriously, but everything else I let roll off
me a little bit. You have to.''
	Best rap video went to LL Cool J for ``Momma Said, Knock You Out.''
	He praised MTV, which virtually ignored black artists during its
early years, as a medium that crosses all ``color boundaries.''
	``I don't know what the definition of black music is. I just play
what comes from my heart,'' he said, sporting his trademark black patent
leather rain hat and heavy gold jewelry.
	Jane's Addiction's ``Been Caught Stealing'' beat out R.E.M. for best
alternative video, while Madonna's ``Immaculate Collection'' was named
best long-form music video.
	Other winners included the group Faith No More for special effects
and Jesus Jones for best new artist.
	There was an unlikely roster of presenters from super model Cindy
Crawford to actor-director Dennis Hopper, whose tuxedo looked wildly out
of place in the crowd of young rockers, rappers and video mavens.
	Prince, who almost never ventures out in public, performed ``Get Off,
'' which served as the evening's grand finale. An elaborate set featured
a recreation of Dante's inferno, complete with dancing flames and
sweating, scantily-clad slaves.
	R.E.M.'s ``Losing my Religion'' from its ``Out of Time'' album won
three awards, including best breakthrough video, best group and best
direction.
	C + C Music Factory, an ensemble of singers and dancers led by rapper
Freedom Williams and singer Zelma Davis, won awards for best dance video
and choreography for the song ``Gonna Make You Sweat,'' a pulsating
number combining rap, rock and house music.
	Crossover rock group Jane's Addiction beat out R.E.M. for best
alternative video, a category won last year by Sinead O'Connor.
	The evening's biggest surprise came when Paul Reubens took the stage
in character as Pee Wee Herman following the opening credits. Reubens,
arrested for indecent exposure at a Florida movie theater, was treated
to a standing ovation.
	Reubens appeared moved but then quipped, ``Heard any good jokes
lately?'' an apparent reference to the spate of Pee Wee jokes that
spread across the country following his arrest.
	The appearance was sanctioned by MTV executives.
	Unlike most award shows, trophy presentations took a backseat to
entertainment. A dozen performers took the stage at the Universal
Ampitheater, including Poison, Paula Abdul, C+C Music Factory and Van
Halen, which made its first live televised appearance.
	Guns N' Roses performed live via satellite from London.
	Live performances have become the acid-test for many artists since
last year's lip-synching Milli Vanilli scandal, a means of distilling
who is real and who was manufactured on the mixing board.
	Arsenio Hall was the emcee of the show, which was broadcast to more
than 100 countries.
	The hardest-working man in show business now that he's out of prison,
James Brown, was among a list of presenter that included Cher and Billy
Idol.
	MC Hammer, who won two MTV Video Music Awards last year, presented
the Viewers Choice Award to Queensryche.
	For comic relief, ``Saturday Night Live'' basement-dwelling
adolescent characters Wayne and Garth did a routine, as did the metal
band spoof, Spinal Tap.
	Awards in 22 artistic and technical categories were handed out during
the three-hour show, broadcast to 140 affiliates as far-flung as Asia,
Europe, South America and Australia.
	Up for best video of the year with R.E.M. were Chris Isaak for 
``Wicked Game,'' Queensryche for ``Silent Lucidity,'' the Divinyls for 
``I Touch Myself,'' Deee-Lite for ``Groove is in the Heart'' and C+C
Music Factory with ``Gonna Make You Sweat.''
786.82Was she for real???COMET::FRISBYAI'm the Lovin' KindMon Sep 09 1991 16:0911
    Oh.....That reminds me:
    
          SPINAL TAP reunion!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                   Ya gotta love it...8*)!
    
     RE::.80-Greg.....Your addicted to sex you just don't know it!
    
                      BAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
    
                    Frizkid
    
786.83VCSESU::MOSHER::COOKDemons fall as Angels thriveMon Sep 09 1991 16:112
    
    Heck, I'm addicted to sex and I DO know it! 8-)
786.84spontanious combusters need not applyVCSESU::MOSHER::COOKDemons fall as Angels thriveMon Sep 09 1991 16:124
    
    re: .82
    
    Oh BTW, are you going to audition for drummer too? 8-)
786.85YOu can have it!!!!8*)!COMET::FRISBYAI'm the Lovin' KindMon Sep 09 1991 16:356
       OH NOOOO!
    
               I would NEVER join Spinal Tap!
    
              Frizkid
    
786.86PROXY::MCCARRONItain'twhereyafrom,itzwhereyaat!Wed Sep 11 1991 17:5710
    
    
      	Re: Sammy Hagar's clothes...
    
    
    	They're his own designs.  He has his own line of "surf" clothing
    called Red Rocker or something like that.   
    
    
    Paul