Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    I've heard the title track a couple of times and, while I like the
    tone, I didn't really care for the overall sound.  The lyrics seem
    really stretched to fit over the chords and it sounds kind of bad.
    
    gh

    I bought the cd (major cataclysmical freak accident)
    
    They are really hard & thrashy; the farthest thing from poseurs.
    
    Couple of tunes caught my attention!  They are from Dallas........
    
    They started out in the club scene (that's where I first heard of
    them.)   Off their older album there's this one catchy track called
    Pussy tight, It's pretty cool...........
    
    
    Other than that, yea; they pretty much suck!
    
    �|-'prilllllll
    

    Hey Mike,
    Wass'yer difinition of poseurs then?  When I hear the word poseur, a
    big hologram of Jon Blo-jobby(tm) pops in front of my face (or Jani
    Lane, or Bret Michaels).............
    
    �|-'prilllllllll

    re.7
    three classic examples there April
    
    They don't have to make songs like "Cry Tough" by Poison to
    be poseurs. Lenny Wolf is a poseur, and his music isn't all that
    wimpy.
    
    
    

    Mike:
    Who's Lenny Wolf?

    Kingdom Come....
    
    didn't I get his name right?

    Couldn't tellya buddy, I make it a point not to listen to Kingdom Cum.
    
    (do they have some redeeming quality I've been missin' out on?)
    
    �|-'pril
    

OK guys, I get the point...they suck!

Sounds like my money would be better spent on some 
Barry Manilow CDs.	8-)

Thanks for the warning!

-Stevie D

    
    Hey you can MOSH to it
    
                        "GHOSTRIDER"
    

    April sez these guys roolz.

    I saw them do a tune called "Cemetary Gates" on HBB on MTV Saturday
    night. It was pretty good, but I wouldn't buy the CD for just one good
    song. 
    
    Anyone else have any opinions on other songs off their "Cowboys From Hell" 
    album?
    
    -Stevie D

    I've only heard the title track and didn't care for it much.  Good
    technically, but the lyrics/meter seemed contrived and the song was
    pretty boring to me overall.
    
    gh (who wouldn't buy it)

    I caught their title track too on Raw Power,the vocals weren't too good
    and basically pretty boring stuff.
    
    
    
    
                                             Staynz(who won't buy it too)

I bought Pantera's "Cowboys from hell" and listened it few times. It's on the
second listening that you really enjoy this excellent album.
"Cowboys from hell" is a power metal album, very heavy, with a riff sound close
to that on Metallica's AJFA (but there is no other comparison with Metallica).
The compositions are strong, the vocals powerful and all this is completed by 
the excellent guitar work from Diamond Darrell (he refused some time ago an
offering from Megadeth..). The rhythm unit is also very effective.
There is no thrash, the overall atmosphere being often closer to Danzig. In any
case they have an original sound.
One of the best songs (it's a long CD with 12 songs) is "Cemetery gates", a
slow/mid-tempo ballad which is a killer song (fine refrains and backing vocals).
I've heard that in the beginning Pantera was influenced by Kiss (they released
few albums already) but actually they have nothing to do with glam rock.
    A really excellent album (and very well produced and recorded - on
    headphones it's even better).

Here is also the band composition:
                               
Phillip Anselmo	- vocals
Rex		- bass, vocals
Diamond Darrell	- guitar, vocals
Vinnie Paul	- drums, vocals

Sorin

    Sounds good Sorin, think I will check it out!  It would seem that
    Pantera, though labelled Death Metal, are very much a cut above the
    usual rubbish that surfaces from that genre.  Is this your feeling?
    
    
    Ga-ZAZ

    Re. Ga-ZAZ
    
    I don't think Pantera is much of death metal. Surely the music may be
    quite dark (like Danzig) but it is quite variated and rich. Now, many
    bands are labeled "death metal" because it seems to sell well actually.
    Nocturnus and especially Obituary are death metal bands and I think
    they'll have problems to avoid monotony after some time (I also don't
    like too much disgusting subjects like body bags, cadavers,
    mutilation..beurk!).
    Even the "Cemetery gates" song which is an excellent balad, is quite
    far from death metal (I have to be more attentive to the song words).
    In any case Pantera should be considered a power metal band IMHO.
    
    Sorin 

    
    Pantera have just completed a successful tour of the UK, they should be
    hitting the rest of Europe round about now.
    
    Flip

    They have already been here opening (with Annihilator) for Judas Priest 
    and they were appreciated very well. I haven't been at the concert (I
    want to go only when Queensr�che or Uriah Heep come).
    
    Sorin

    
    I've heard some good reviews form friends who have picked up this album
    and managed to see them play when they toured the UK.  Apparently they
    put on an excellent show...along the lines of a Suicidal Tendencies
    show.
    
    I'm gonna have to buy it.
    
    Flip

    Flip, in Pantera's CfH there is also quite a strong influence from
    seventies HM (but updated). The bass/drum line is very heavy and
    because of this you'll start to appreciate the other details better
    only after a first listening. It may seem a little monotonous the very
    first time and if you are not in a good mood (it's also close to 1h
    long).
    
    Sorin

    RE: .2...did I actually say that???
    
    rumour has it they will be touring with skid row in the future...
    
    
    'pril 

    
    then i will DEFINATELY NOT be there.  too bad.  i really like these
    guys but no way am i spending any $$$ that will be contributed to those
    SR morons.
    

    
    
    
    	SR kicks pantera's ass.....

    SKID ROW slays them harshly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
                 Pantera are a bunch of losers that couldn't make as 
    a regular band so to sell albums they converted to thrash.
    Which make them worse than the people that play thrash to me!
    
                        <IMNSHO>
    
                                   Frizkid
    

    I've heard 2 songs by them and they were ok.
    
    
    
    
                                                 Staynz

    no,just the new stuff!Cowboys from hell!
    
    
    
    
                                        Staynz

    Pantera will release an album tentativeley titled "A Vulgar Display Of
    Power" in early 92'.
    
                       Frizkid
    

    DEFINITE coolness!  8)

    
    Anyone picked up the lates album yet.....it is out?
    
    flip
    
    

    
    
    Will looking for the Newest ShotGun Messiah, I came across it... did'nt
    buy it though... I ended up pickin up the New Ingwie Malmsteen... 
    
    BLEAAACHH! I'll give it a few more listens.. but I hate it so far....

    Hey JW,
    
    WTF note are you supopsed to be in??

    
    
    This one.... New Pantera is out... ;') Don't buy the new I.M... 
    
    (killing two birds with one stone...)

    Yeah, the new Pantara is definately out.  I saw it in a store here last
    week.
    
    gh

    
    Did you know that "A vulgar display of power" is actually Pantera's 7th
    release......another peice of useless info for you.
    
    flip

    Really?  I thought "Cowboys From H*ll" was their first one.  I wouldn't
    get the new one unless someone tells me it's *substantially* better
    then CFH, 'cause I thought that one was pretty mediocre.
    
    They sucked when I saw them live too...
    
    gh

    
    YEah, the first five were done on such a small budget that they were
    only sold on their home ground and at gigs.  
    
    ...oh, and by all accounts, they're really crap* which is why they
    haven't bothered to re-mix and release them.
    
    * bl--dy aweful
    
    flip

    As I recall, the guitar player's father owned a small recording studio. 
    You'd think with unlimited free time they could do something decent...
    
    gh

	Attention HM shoppers...


	I bought "Cowboys From H*ll" when it first came out and I have 
	likewise bought "Vulger Display Of Power" It took a couple of
	times through CFH, before I really started to get into it. I 
	would agree that neither album will likely make Billboard's Top 
	10 Albums of the week list, but IMO, both albums have some good 
	tracks. If you didn't like "Domination" or "Shattered" from CFH, 
	odds are, you won't like VDOP either. I would say that VDOP is
	better than CFH only because it rocks a little harder. 

			
	/td


	ps. You CAN mosh 2 it ! 
	

    Pantera rulz the universe!

    
    BTW Stu, I've forgotten it again......
    
    

    How about if i wrote 'Pantera' on your forehead,do you think you`d
    remember it then (ooh er)?
    

    wahey!
    
    sounds kinky to me, let's try it.

    Sorry,i don`t think my pen is quite up to the job (ooh er again).
    

    
    So what's your verdict Stu?
    

    Er,i haven`t heard it yet.
    
    Er,the trouble is,i haven`t got a CD player. And er,i wuz hoping to
    tape it wednesday off my mate and give it back to you on thursday,er,
    except i wuz off ill on thursday and friday,and er,the mate who i 
    thought had a CD player hasn`t (cos it`s his brothers,who has sinced
    moved),and so another mate of mine has got it,and er,i`ll be seeing
    him on tuesday,so er,i can give it back on wednesday.
    
    er,er,er,..
    

    I was listening to Z-Rock Friday and heard a cool tune on there.  I was
    sitting there trying to figure out who it was and the DJ said it was
    Pantera.  I was a little surprised because I hadn't liked what I'd
    heard from them in the past.
    
    This tune was different, the first part of it was kind of a Fate's
    Warning/QR kind of groove, then it went into a more thrashy sounding
    section toward the close.  I was especially impressed with this one
    little guitar fill which I thought was cool.
    
    Anyway, I might be convinced to give these guys another listen (at
    least the new album, I still think CfH sucks).
    
    gh

    Greg!  Now you have the knowledge.  ;)
    
    Pantera rulz!
    
    The new album is way better than Cowboys IMO.
    
    'pril

    
    I got to listen to the latest Pantera over the weekend.
    
    WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Great stuff....this stuff gets your adrenaline goin!
    
    Bob
    

    I've got a cool article from Spin on PANTERA I'll post in a few.

    
    
    re.? 
    
    are these guys christian metal??
    
    
    		wendy o'
    

    NO...
    
        Friz
    

    
    	You might be thinking of Petra.
    
    
    	Then again, if I know you, you're probably just not thinking.
    
    	Smile!!  8^)
    
    							GTI

    
    Christian? NOT!

    I'd have to say, not even close.
    
    gh

    re. shawn..
    
    
    AS good OLE" BK would say
    
    
    
    			SO FRIGGIN" SUE ME ;')
    
    
    				wendy o'
    
    

Taken without permission from Spin, July '92...


			Survival Of The Fittest
			-------- -- --- -------

Power Mongers...  Diamond Derrell, Philip Anselmo, Rex, and Vinnie Paul.



Geography has a lot to do with it.  The members of Pantera are Texans, first
and foremost, and personify the bluster and directness of the more rugged
residents of the Lone Star State.  They pile it on like a pack of
amphetamine-crazed cowboys pumped with the adrenal fury of early Black Flag. 
Audaciously calling their new album Vulgar Display of Power, they play it like
they say it - like a Metallica stripped of all excess, fronted by the
equivalent of Henry Rollins's angrier kid brother.  Hard to believe that in
1983 Pantera began as just another bar band playing Van Halen and Judas Priest
covers (peppered with a few originals), six nights a week.

The guys looked pretty silly back then, employing the standard
teased-hair-and-bandana regalia and releasing independent albums with titles
such as Metal Magic, but their past hardly makes them blush.

"That was the best training a band could get," declares drummer Vinnie Paul,
who formed Pantera with guitarist-brother Diamond Derrell when the two were 17
and 15, respectively.  "Play like we have for the past nine years, and you get
to be one hard bunch of motherf*ckers!"

This is precisely the ethos Pantera sums up with Vulgar's anthemic "A New
Level."  Judging by the monumental rhythmic structures of "Rise" or the wiry
guitar skronks of "Live in a Hole," the band's a whole different animal now. 
With the new album, it steps out of the claptrap of passe thrash bands to become
what lead singer Philip Anselmo modestly describes as "the heaviest band in the
world."

Respect is key with Pantera.  Earning it has been a driving force for the group
personally and professionally.

"The way I am today has a lot to do with growing up as a scrawny, insecure kid,
always gettin' eaten alive by dumb-a$$e$ with big-muscles," snarls Anselmo, who
displays a tattoo reading "Strength" on the side of his bald head - and,
coincidentally, who grew up with crooner Harry Connick, Jr., as a schoolmate. 
"Without respect, you get walked on."

-by Mike Gitter

    
    	RE: April
    
    	Is your p_n from Scatterbrain?
    
    	["Testing ... 1,2.  Attention citizens ..."]
    
    							GTI

    Shawn, yeah...I think that's where I heard it.

    PANTERA will be playin with White_Zombie and  Trouble
    at E.M.Leows in Worcester,Ma. on Sept.2.
    Tix go on sale Saturday at the Box_Office and Ticket_Master.
    
                                  Crazy_HmmmM_Al

    Now they will be a *real* band...

    I wonder if Pete got them the Show?
    
    
        Crazy_I'm_A_Kidda,_I'm_Kiddin_You_Al

    I'm surprised MP isn't opening for them...Since they ARE the saviors of 
    **REAL** metal!! 
    
           Friz
    

    I thought "REAL" metal died along with the EHM conference!

    
    Steve/PWHCMBWDAN
          PeopleWhoHateCheesyMetalBandsWithDumbAnimalNames ;-}

    Pantera is an animal name?
    

    Well,
    
    Close enough...
    
    I just wanted something to rag on.
    
    Steve/PWHCMBWDAN

    Buck: LONG LIVE *****EHM***** AND *******REAL******** METAL!
    
        Friz/PWHCMBWDAN-wanna be. 
    

    Steve,
    
    ...and all you PWHCMBWDAN's out there, find something else to rag on! 
    Pantera rulz.  They have a lot more balls than most bands...
    
    8-Pril 
    
    

    >Pantera rulz. They have a lot more balls than most bands...
    
    Were they surgically implanted?

    I heard the single "this love" last week on Raw Power and thought it
    was pretty good.The thing that freaked me out was the intense sound
    that the guitarist managed to get when playing the heavy bits.
    
    
    
                                               Staynz

    I just picked up the album this weekend... It KICKS ... butt.  Took a
    couple of listenings to get used to it, but after that...  
    
    
    Chad_who_thinks_F****ng_Hostile_is_a_cool_tune!

    Told ya!  If you like Vulgar, pick up their first one, Cowboys From Hell.  
    Way cool jamz...and they are, of course, from DALLAS, TEXAS.
    
    'pril

    RE: -1
    
    Cowboys is decent (got it when it came out), but I think the new one is
    better!
    
    Chad

    Oh yeah, the new one is definitely better.

    PANTERA F,N RULES AND DIAMOND DARRELL IS UNDOUBTABLY THE BEST RIPPER
    AND SHREDDER ON GUITAR IN THIS DAY AND AGE... GOT ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT
    THAT? CAUSE I RULE YOU FOOL AND I'LL CRUSH UR RUSH.
    

    
    and he's not even from colorado...
    
    :')
    
    

    FOR ALL YOU PANTERA HEADS WHO ARE JUST GETTING INTO THE BAND,
    I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I'VE BEEN BASHING MY BRAIN'S
    IN WITH THESE METAL MUTHA'S FOR ACOUPLE OF YEARS NOW,AND IT'S ABOUT
    F##$'N TIME THEY GET SOME ATTENTION,DAM IT!!!
    A FRIEND OF MINE WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO MEET AND HANG OUT WITH 
    THEM A COUPLE OF TIMES AND HE SAY'S THERE COOL AS SH*T!
    SO JUST REMEMBER,"STAY HOSTILE AND TRASH THE SCENE!"
               
                       "WALK ON HOME BOY!"
    

    
    seth, at least they have the sense to * and & their swears...  unlike
    the COMET flyers (that was for you buck :'))
    
    

    PAntera sucks.....Diamond Darroll is a joke if I've ever seen one!
    
     Friz
    

    thats good coming from a Warrant fan..................!
    
    
    
    
                                                 Staynz

    Warrant kicks their butt...Pantera is WEAK!
    
      Friz
    

I like Pantera...

    they have an excellant sound to the guitar where as in Warrant records
    they have trouble playing because their handbags get in the way  8)
    
    
    
                                                 Staynz

    Friz, YOU are weak!

    
    Cemetary Gates rules!
    
    
    

    When I saw Pantara with Skidrow last spring, I thought they sounded
    really bad.  But maybe that's just the "opening act sound syndrome"
    where they get crap for sound equipment and engineering, I don't know. 
    
    I've heard some of the songs off their most recent album and they
    sounded great there!  I didn't like Cowboys from H*ll as much though,
    especially the title track.  
    
    In reading a couple of interviews in guitar magazines with Diamond
    Darrell, he came off as kind of an idiot, but he can definately play. 
    I like his style.
    
    gh
    
                     

    lets face facts people.........anyone with a name like "Diamond" is
    not to be taken seriously!
    
    
    
    
                                                Staynz

    April: I just call em' like I see em'....8) No need to get all bent out
    of shape. 
    
    Staynz: Handbags...HA!HA!HA! Good one....
    
     When I saw Pantera in concert their sound was horrible and their stage
    presence was nowhere to be found.  I found myself watching the people
    in the crowd more than the stage.
    
     Friz
    
    

    Friz, I'm not getting bent out of shape (except for the fact that you
    seem to have forgotten the rep/ext option in mail...)  8-P
    
    I think a contributing factoid here is that you saw Pantera in
    Colorado, and they probably wouldn't have much of a show there seeing
    as how all the people such as yourself listen to that pretty boy rock. 
    
    'pril

    When I saw them at the"Immemorial"E_M.Loews....
    It was a Mad_House.I felt right at home.
    
           Crazy_People_Got_Hurt_Al

    I like their new tune

    
    Walk?
    
    It rulz! The guitar is SO cool!
    
    

    What new tune?

    There is nothing new under the sun.

    And since I'm here...

    ONE HUNDRED REPLIES!

    Im surprised that none of you lot out there have written up about
    a superbe band called PANTERA.This is seriously good thrash metal
    and would appreciate some feedback if anyone has heard them.They
    have 2 albums,Cowboys From Hell,which is so heavy its unreal,and
    Vulgur Display Of Power,Which is equally as good.I recomend you
    buy these and play them whilst under the influance!
    
               Look forward to hearing,
    
                  Gregor

    
    
              I think Pantera is a band worthy of more than 100 replies.
    But seriously, I hope there next album is more like cowboys. Don't
    get me wrong, I love VDOP but (IMHO) I think the vocals were more
    technical on cowboys.
    
    
    
          Jeffy

    too bad they don't write their own lyrics! 

    
    
            If they wrote there own lyrics somebody would lock them up
    and give em' those funny white suits with the buckles. They're
    too heavy for rats anyway.:^P
    
                

    You mean like 'clean room suits'? :P
    
    	too heavy for rats?!?!? SHA.....I think NOT!

    
    
       Hey, as far as the cleanroom suit, you had yours first!
    
    Maybe not too heavy for rats, just old ones.
    
                                ;*)
    Jeffy

    >       Hey, as far as the cleanroom suit, you had yours first!
    
    Actually, no I didn't! 
    
    
    >    Maybe not too heavy for rats, just old ones.
    
    tee-hee.....old enough to paddle you and send you to your room! ;-)

    
    
               Old enough to resite the 10 commandments first hand.
                            
                                   :@p
    
         So what do you think about Cowboys From Hell? Oh yea, you
    havent heard it yet. Just in this note for kicks Huh?
    
    
    
           Jeffy(who likes to wake up to VDOP)

    Hey!  Would you too GET A ROOM!  Geez!
    
    :-)
    jc

    Hey, not a bad idea! ;P
    
    	(And being in this note isn't what I do for kicks.....but then
    again a young pup like you would be confused!) ;-) 

    
    
    I like CBFH, but I don't know if I like it over VDOP.. VDOP just seems
    to be a raw kick in the face.. 
    
    
    Whit-

    
    
        Just bought the new Pantera: Far beyond driven. It rips! 
    If you liked CBH and VDOP you will have to get this one. It has the
    dirtiest song on it that I have ever heard! Its called "Good friends and
    a bottle of pills". It definately earns its parental advisory! It has
    some really cool tunes on it. Check it out.
    
    
                                                *B*

    
    
    ditto...
    
    cool, angry album. 

    
    
         I will have to go to the concert when they come to Atlanta. I bet
    that will be one hellacious pit!! 
    
    
    
                                                *B*

    
    
    I Agree If you Liked the First two you Will definiatly like FBD!!
    Although not for Everybody!!  
    
    
    
    P.S.   Their Dever Show is SOLD OUT
    
    
    

    
    
                   I like the new disc, but there are a few WIERD songs on
       this one. 
    
                                      Jeffy
    
              P.S. Guitar For The Practicing Idiot has the tab for I'm
                   Broken if anyone is interested.

    On CfH there was an excellent song "Cemetery gates". Are there such
    songs (same style of course) on the latest ?
    
    Sorin

    
    Ya I really liked Cematary Gates, Unfortunatly there is nothing 
    like that on FBD.  The Closest thing would be the cover of the 
    Black Sabbath tune "PLanet Caravan"  Fbd is pertty much in your 
    face, they haven't backed off one bit.  It's more like VDP. 
    
    
    
    Vega
    

    I recently bought VDP anf thought it to be excellent.Looks like the
    new one will on the shopping list but with the wayI buy music,it'll
    probably be in about 2 years time. 8)
    
    
    							ian

    
    
      I really like CFH the best. I do like VDOP and FBD but I like the
    songs like "Cowboys from hell, Psycho holiday, Heresy, ect" Its the
    ones like that, that really make me bang my head! I still like the
    other two albums. I like them for their intense thrashness. (is
    thrashness a word?)
       One of my favorite Pantera songs is "Over and out". That one rocks. 
    FBD has replaced my White Zombie CD as my most played disc. I will have
    to see them when they come to Atlanta! I bet that pit will be brutal!
    
    
    
                                                *B*
    
    

    
    
    	Well, I went to the show the other night at the Wallace Civic
    Center in Fitchburg, MA. 
    
    	I missed the opening act but got there right in time for the 
    main event. 
    
    	All I can say is.. INCREDIBLE! The sounds was great, the set was
    great, and the atmosphere was insane! The show was general admission
    and we were able to get down to the floor with no problems. A pit
    started up even before the band started! 
    
    	Once they finally came on the whole place just broke out into one 
    big pit.. The crowd was great though, didn't see any fights, if you 
    fell on the floor there was always someone there picking you up. Even
    got a chance to do some crowd surfin.. The security was even great. I
    got tossed up front into the area right before the stage and the guards
    saved me from face planting into the concrete and then directed me off
    the side back into the pit. 
    	
    	I can't tell you the set but it covered all the albums pretty well
    with alot of stuff off the new album. The show was a good 2 hours... 
    
    Overall.. a great time and show!
    
    Whit-

    someome has stolen Daryl's guitar and he's offered $2k for any
    information about it's where abouts!
    
    
      					ian

    Shhh!  Be vewy qwiet!

    It was a hunk of crap anyway.

    
    Re: Daryl's guitar stolen.
    
    How about stealing his amp, too.  That screeching tone is a little
    too much for my taste.
    
    

    
    
    
    He has the killer processed tone from hell! 
    
    

    
    I love his guitar sound!

    
    
    
    It is insane! 

    
    Certainly not lacking in the 'nads department.
    
    
    

    He uses Randall amps, doesn't he?  I hate those things.
    
    gh

I have also listened recently VDOP and FBD. VDOP is very good and FBD is
really a killer CD. While CFH remains the most 'diverse', FBD is an incredible 
show of power and of anger. I wonder how much time Phil will keep his voice
unbroken after such efforts.

Sorin 

    since i'm not able to rep to the PANTERA-topic i'll rep here ...
    well i really recommend you to buy the 
    "DRIVEN DOWNUNDER'94" tour souvenir box ..
    it contains 3 cd :
    FAR BEYOND DRIVEN (+ bonustrack "THE BADGE") with banned cover ! - very
    explicit !
    WALK EP (japan only release) 6 tracks
    aLIVE AND HOSTILE EP (5 tracks from the COWBOYS FROM HELL TOUR recorded
    in moskau !)
    
    limited edition --- imported from the country downunder !
    
    max_already_got_it

    	I started to come back to heavy metal about 6-8 months ago while
    on a training trip in LA. They had this rock station and they were all
    thumbs up about a White Zombie-Pantera beach bash.
    
    	The Pantera songs they play prompted me to order the VDOP thru BMG.
    After that, the rest is history.
    
    	I am really surprised to see the first 100 or so notes. I really
    think this group kicks major butt! One of the reasons that made me get
    away from Metal in the 80s was the lack of speed and "aggressivness"
    that the groups displayed on their music.
    
    	Bands like Iron Maiden, Ozzy, Judas Priest and etc were all too
    lame for me, so I switched to new age and classical for a while.
    
    	I really missed the boat for some time and I really regret it.
    Pantera has gotten me back to some really heavy stuff, and I think
    thay pretty much stand alone int the style they play.
    
    	Pantera to me means harsh, aggressive song writing. CFH is a very
    good album, but they have been getting more and more aggressive. Their
    songs are not all  the same, which is refreshing. 
    
    	This stuff is good stuff....
    
    	Carlos

    yeah i know pantera kicks butt ! .. i saw'em live   october'94
    with downset. & the almighty as support . that was the hardest concert
    i've been to ! i left the concert hall witha bleeding nose and was
    4 guitar pics richer ! 
    
    if you have a chance to see em live - just go for it .... you'll be
    impressed ! ....
    
    max_pantera_far_beyond_drunk
    
    p.s.
    
    they even smoked some shit while playing planet caravan ....
    

>>    max_pantera_far_beyond_drunk
    
>>    p.s.
    
>>    they even smoked some shit while playing planet caravan ....


     eewwww...  what did they really think they were gonna gain
     by smoking 'sh!t" during planet caravan...  would seem to
     me that some type of herb would have fit better during a
     black sabbath tribute tune.

     /b
  

    
    how did the Almighty sound that day?I've seen them about 4 times and
    they haven't disappointed me yet!
    
    
    
    
    						ian

    well although the almighty is not exactly my kinda music .. they really
    kicked some a... - but of cause they only played 45 min , and the new 
    album was just released (CRANK) so the crowd didnt know the new songs
    ...but the performence didnt encourage me to buy the album , but
    downset. did .. the nex day i went to to buy me the album ... and 12
    week ago i saw there headlinin tour .......
    
    max_pantera_rulz
    

    
    	I picked up "Far Beyond Driven" this week.
    
    	Yuck.  Not impressed.  Like Primus, these guys should take to
    	writing instrumentals and let the real bands do songs with
    	vocals.
    

Pantera's best remains (IMHO) by far "Cowboys from hell". The last two albums
retained only the ultra aggressive sound and lost the fine compositions.
Anselmo's voice can do more than it does on the last two albums.

Sorin

You guys are crazy.. the last two albums kick serious ass.. aggresive, in your
face, music.. CBFH if anything, is tamer than than the last two.. 

I'd say VDOP has to be their best.. 

Whit-

    yea
    
    
    
    
    

    	I will have to agree with .142 in that the later 2 are their best.
    
    	I was reading an interview with Phil Anselmo, and he was saying the
    the main purpose in FBD was to start aggressive and stay there. No
    radio or no "bite" songs.
    
    	IMO this is totally and brutally fulfilled....
    
    	Also, for true Anselmo fans, he is supposed to finish recording the
    "DOWN" CD with the guys from Crowbar. Apparently he wrote the music and
    Crowbar and on of the COC guys play there. If there is anything that
    Crowbar needs, it is Anselmo singing. This guy shreds!!!!
    
    	Also, Anselmo apparently wrote some material for a band called
    Christ Inversion. These are supposed to be true satanic songs, and I
    want to get this. If Pantera sounds heavy, I can't imagine him in a Sa
    tanic band.
    
    	Carlos

	Hi,
I hear somewhere that Pantera is actually recording its new album... Does 
Anyone get informations about it (title, rythm, ...)
	RVB 

    i hear that i will be out about april 96 and they already recorded 3
    new songs in 2 week .. after phil ended touring with DOWN they are in
    full work !
    
    max_
    

    i think my keyboard is havin some peoblmes leaving out some letter 
    
    but you get i anyway ?
    
    max_
    

    
    
    I was listening to Pantera yesterday(Cowboys from hell and Vulger
    display of power)and forgotten how damn good these albums are!
    
    Ziggy liked to them too...he wandered over to one of the speakers and
    licked it for ages! 8)
    
    
    						ian

    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    EEEEEERRRRRRRYYYYYYEEEEEAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!
    
    ALL 3 Damn albums are great! 
    
    Whit-

    Pantera is and always will be before they're time artistically.
    
    Phil's lyrics are kind of scary though.  
    
    'pril

    Pantera does rock...I'd just like to know who the person was
    that pissed them off so much though...I'd hate to be THAT person.
    
    Shane, who cranks up the Pantera during the Christmas holidays :)

    looking for Pantera fans
    

    We're right here!!

    
    Hi!!!

    I'm here but I'M BROOOOOOKEEEEN !!!

    Just give us 5 minutes alone!

    yup --
    
    i born again with snakes eyes ...BECOMING good sized !
    
    max_pantera_rocks
    down rocks
    

    
    
    And I'm F*CKING HOSTILE!!!!!!!! 
    

    Oh FAAAAAAAAAR OUT MAN!   I had forgotten about this one!  Pantera is
    one bad HOMBRE of a band. 
    MOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    

    
     Alright,  
    
      give me back the CLassic Coke, you know you can't have any Sugar !
    
    /Sax_who_dated_chicks_that_talked_like_that_once
    

    Hey man are you calling me a chick?!  :^}  wow man, thats kinda a heavy
    far out kinda trip.  ow wow man..  I don't no marijuania and I don't
    need no acid...cuz I'm hooked on downers man...naw really it's a heavy
    heavy far out........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
    oh wow man....FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR Out TRip!
    

    Um, like, are you okay, chick?

    CHICK?  CHICK?   CHICK?......Why I oughta....I am no chick!  I'm a
    cock!  err Rooster or something.....Oh wow man look at all the colors
    red, green, blue, purple.......hey ....oh wow!  I can't find
    my.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
    oh wow 
    

    
    I don;t know if you're a chick or a cock but you are a bloody looney!
    
    
    
    
    						Ian

    
    
    OH YEAH?!  Well your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of
    elderberries!  8^}  Oh yeah and just for future ref.  I am a dude.

       Just heard one off the new Pantera on KILO.  It's really heavy. 
    Can't wait to buy this one.
    -ss
    

    
    I hope it is better than their last one....didn't impress me at all. I
    like VDOP myself as being heavy, and aggressive enough for me from
    them. I just didn't care for their last one....what is Phil trying to
    prove, his attitude, how "bad" he is? That gets old real quick. And if
    you watch him in an interview and then see their videos, like night and
    day since he doesn't exude that "bad a**" aura IMO. ;-)
    
    

    He's not trying to prove anything.  Unfortunately, he's spiraling into
    the realm of darkness.  Let's hope he finds his way home on this new
    album.  I heard the other band members are getting fed up with all his
    evilness and stupidity.  Phil is yet another who is jumping on the
    bandwagon.

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     / _| ___  ___| (_)_ __ ( )  / _(_)_ __   ___ 
    | |_ / _ \/ _ \ | | '_ \|/  | |_| | '_ \ / _ \
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    re.167
         I don't think he is so much attitude but perhaps exhibits strong
    artistic expression.  I think he just really gets in to it.
    -ss
    

    
    Gee, I thought the last disk was good. Mind you I have yet to hear the
    other ones in their entirity.
    
    Dave

I think their first CD "Cowboys from hell" contains some of their very best
songs. Too sad they have no more "Cemetery Gates" equivalent.

Sorin

    I just got the CD Nola by Down.  Anybody else heard this ?
    It's pretty cool but they are such a Pantera rip off.
    The voice, the guitar sound, the crunchy licks.  They remind me
    of what Pantera would sound like if they were from Seattle.
    Pretty cool CD though as long as your not annoyed with bands who
    sound a lot like other bands.  If you like Pantera though I'd
    recommend it.
    
    Shane, who got it as a freebee from BMG

    
    	Down contains members of Corrosion of Conformity and a couple
    	other bands.
    

    >> Down   It's pretty cool but they are such a Pantera rip off.
    
    The singer is also the singer for pantera...... Phil Anselmo

    ahah !!!  oh..well I guess that would pretty much explain it then.
    Hmm for some reason I was thinking the singer for Pantera was
    named Pantera.  Much be from watching too much Beavis and Butthead.
    I remember an episode where they were talking about a Pantera video
    and saying how the singer must have had a really rough childhood
    and how his parents must have said 'dammit Pantera...settle down !'
    At any rate it's a good CD...I'd give it 8 head bangs and a hair
    flip.
    
    Shane, who has a head rush now...

    well the nex PANTERA album is out today in germany -
    "the great southern trend kill" - well got to take alisten today in the
    shop ....
    tour europe in november/december
    tour the USA with co-headliners WHITE ZOMBIE
    
    max_
    

    wish I was in Germany right now.
    -ss
    

    now i got it - bought it on friday !
    i did listen to it for like 3 times know ... and its a little differnt
    than far beyond it has more ups and downs ! phil is using all
    of his voice from very high to very deep screaming ! 
    they even use some accoustic guitar in song nr 9 - Floods -
    and on two other songs the use KEYBOARDS...
    there are 11 songs on it about 54 minutes long !
    
    max_
    

    in the UK it should be out today.
    USA - no idea 
    
    max_
    

    I believe the date is May 13 for the USA.
    
    Tell us more!!!

    SHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUP
    I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!
    It comes out tomorrow. I think I'll drive around after work. I bet Mosh
    Pit might have a listening party at midnight.  If not I'll be the first
    one in line tomorrow.AAAAAAHHhHHH this is driving me nuts. I hate every
    single one of you that have it already. You are scum.:)_

    uuh i have it , i have it ... i like it ... gets my butt up every day
    in the morning ...:
    fav. trax on this - warnerv (will be the first single/video)
                      - floods
                      - suicidal note pt.1
    the other song names i cant remember !
    
    i wonder why the album is released in europe like 2 week erlier ? ;->
    
    max_
    

    in the booklet there is this new infoservice number for the US:
    1-800-PANTERA (latest info)
    1-900-DMBG    (leave them a note or sumpin)
    
    ,ax_
    

    	I was not very impressed with the release.
    
    	I think Pantera peaked with VDOP and FBD. This Cd sounds a little
    like they are running out of ideas, which shouldn't happen since they
    have a very particular style.
    
    	The CD sound is phenomenal, the drum tracks are awesome, but I was
    expecting an all out assault. Instead the CD starts out pretty fast,
    then really sinks into darkness and comes back out too late.
    
    	The first 4 songs sounded like a script from FBD. !st songs fast
    and furious, second song keeping up the pace, and the 3rd song a catchy
    and sticky riff. But after that the CD lacks the intensity that FBD and
    BDOP manage to keep.
    
    	Make no mistake, this is way better than the last White Zombie or
    something like that, but if Mettalica can come out with another block
    buster like "Master" or "Justice" Pantera could  get dethroned...
    
    	Also, hot on their heels there are several CDs almost out. Grave is
    supposed to come up with a masterpiece. Vile by Cannibal Corpse will be
    finally out, as the new Slayer.
    
    	There were rumors anout Pantera taping all their shows last year
    and that a live CD could come out. Now, that would be something...
    
    	Still a bit dissapointed because somethimes they sound just like
    DOWN, who positively ticked me off..
    
    	I'll play it again to see if my opinion changes.
    
    
    	In 1994 FBD was able to withstand excellent CDs from Slayer and
    Machine head to name a few, but I get the impression that this one will
    not last very long with so much coming down the pipe.
    
    	Carlos
    

    i like it more than fbd cause of the ups an downs of the songs - some
    very fast - some very slow and dark.
    in an interview they recently made they said:
    fbd was just on one level from the begining to the end ... and that
    they lost focus on fbd! they want it sound more like cowboys and vdp.
    and wanted to add more variety in the overall sound of pantera !
    
    yes fbd kicks a**, and i like it a lot but again an album with the same 
    hardness ? i wouldnt have bought a look a like from fbd 
    
    yeah and i like down , too
    
    took me 2 hours to write this rep !
    damn work to do !
    
    max_
    

    	Max:
    
    	I listened last night to the album 3 more times straight! I am
    starting to get used to it, although I still don't like the slow
    songs. The suicide #1 sounds like an old Led Zeppelin song, and
    although LZ ruled in their time, they just don't have the punch they
    used to.
    
    	In light of that, some songs are very good, although it still seems
    to me that they lost their focus on this album, not on FBD. If there
    was something I liked on FBD was that the album was a total aural
    assault, some of the most brutal "commercial" heavy metal of all times,
    and I thought this new album would even outdistance them more from the
    crowd, but I guess I was wrong.
    
    	This LP will bring more fans to their bandwagon, because the styles
    vary so much, but I guess I'm already too deep into the death metal
    scene, so this album lacks punch in my book.
    
    	If Philip Anselmo got involved in a satanic band, he would be
    great. As a matter of fact, he was supposed to be involved in a pro
    ject called Christ Inversion, I don't know what transpired on that.
    
    	I guess the bottom line is that this LP doesn't break any new
    ground as far as my musical taste is concerned, and that's why it
    dissapointed me.
    
    	Carlos

    Now, I can't wait to hear it!  8)

    
    
    I still have to get my hands on FBD!
    
    
    					Ian 8)

    
    re: -1
    
    Great CD!!
    

    Our bassist, an avid Pantera fan, had the new disc playing in
    his car on our way to Dudley MA last night...oh yeah forgot to
    mention that we played there last night.  Anyways, the song I heard
    sounded a lot like that one where he keeps screaming 'give me
    5 minutes alone' or something from one of their older songs.  Seemed
    like the same pi*sed off, angry sound that Pantera has always had.
    Of course I only heard a couple songs.
    
    Shane, who is very sleepy today

    	It's funny how memory and bias plays tricks on you....
    
    	I listened to all latest 3 Pantera Albums on the weekend, and this
    last one is probably the most aggressive of all. I found now FBD
    "polite" sounding comperad to TGSTK. Funny isn't it?
    
    	I think it's a matter of getting used to it, on some of the songs
    from the TGSTK I found thinking to myself "just how much faster can
    this get?..."?
    
    	I am starting now to REALLY like this album, and probably will end
    up apologizing to Pantera for my previous comments....
    
    	Carlos

    You obviously know what's good for you.  8)

    Just bought my tix.  Pantera/White Zombie !!  I'm real stoked.  They're
    playing at Red Rocks which is the most KILLER place to see a show.  
    -ss

    Yep, my friend Cherie and I are going to P/WZ July 17 here in Dallas
    (at least I think that's the correct date).  It's her birthday, which
    is a good excuse but we'd go anyway if it wasn't, of course.

    	I envy you guys.....
    
    	I live next to the boonies and there is nothing even remotely close
    here. I read thaey are closing their US tour at the Meadowlands in NJ.
    Should be good!
    
    	Carlos
    	

    Tooooo bad.
    -ss

    did someone finaly get to listen to it ??? 
    
    i want to hear some other comments !
    
    
    max_who_likes_it_for_2_weeks_now_or_3?
    

    
    I Like It..... I would have to say it has some of their heaviest tune's 
    yet. It did take a couple of listen's to get into it but It's a great
    cd. If you like Vulgar or Far Beyond I would say don't miss this one...
    
    Later
    Jim

    I finally got it.  My first impression was, "eh".  It's heavy enough,
    but I think they're losing their groove in their old age.
    
    more later...

    
    	I've heard "Drag the Water" and I like that 1.
    

    The new album is by far their heaviest, most diverse, and most well
    written to date. I havn`t went 1 day without hearing it since I bought
    it.

    I've listened to it again and, don't get me wrong, it's a killer album
    and all but there's no way it's the most well written or the most
    diverse.  Maybe the heaviest.  Maybe not...
    
    The "ballad" totally sucks, IMO.  There's no feeling at all in Phil's
    voice or in Darrel's guitar playing.  Some parts of it sound more like 
    Slayer than Pantera.  There next album will be full blown death metal, 
    just watch.  I'm mildly dissapointed, and I never thought I'd say that.

    I pretty much dig the whole album except for that "Wanted Dead or
    Alive" sounding song. The album really kicks butt.
    -ss

    Um, I think Darrell plays drums...not guitar.  Oops.
    
    Sure, the album kicks butt, but there's not as much "umph" as VDoP or
    FBD, or especially CFH!  (I'm talking mainly guitar here.)  Everything
    sounds like it's been through the wash or something.  I guess that's
    the trend.  Hmmm, how ironic, considering the title.  8)

    re -1
    
    >>>sounds like it's been through the wash
    
    sounds really dirty to me :)_
    -ss

    	Re .203
    
    	Well, at least I was not the only one with the same impression...
    
    	By now I am really used to it and I love it, but it took me a bit
    to get used to it. I guess I was expecting close to a death metal
    album.
    
    	But I can honestly say now, if you like Pantera you'll like it!
    
    	By the way, I was just told today thet there is a canadian band
    called  "Malevolent", and they are supposed to be about as good as
    Pantera.
    
    	Anyone heard them yet?
    
    	Carlos

      I've heard of them.  They are a pretty good hard metal group but I
    haven't heard anything from them in about 2-3 years.
    -BG

        re.205
    
         I can't believe anyone could have anything bad to say about  The
    Great Southern Trendkiller. Blasphemy! This is by far their angriest,
    darkest cd. I haven't stopped listening to it for two weeks straight.
    Pantera gets better every time, and they started off kicking serious
    a$$. Anyone who doesn't like this cd must be a Def Leppard fan. What a
    bunch of sorry, mixed-up losers. 

         By the way, I wish I could get you in the mosh pit at their next
    concert. I'd stomp your head into the stage. 

    	Re .last
    
    	I don't think .205 disliked the CD. I also disagree with you in
    that he must be a loser for not liking it.
    
    	On the contrary, if you like hard and aggressive stuff maybe you
    should wake up with some black or death metal for breakfast. You'll
    probably see where us "blasphemous" fans come from....
    
    	Carlos

    
    
    The album is ok.. I'd have to say I'm with 'pril.. it just didn't 
    jump out at me like VDoP did. 
    
    
    Whit-

    
    Pantera/WhiteZombie show was announced on the radio this morning.Its
    happening at the Centrum....!
    
    
    
    						Ian

    
    
    
    Woooah..
    

    
    I got my tickets for the show on june 30th here in Colorado!!
    
    Mike
    

    	Does anyone know where and when they play in Michigan?
    
    	Thanks,
    
    	Carlos

    
    Just heard on the radio that the show here in Colorado is sold out!
    
    Glad I got my tickets!!
    
    Mike
    

      They acually have been sold out for about a week. The radio stations
    out here suck so bad they can't even get good concert info.
    
    -BG

    Aaaaahhhh!!!  It's about time this station played something decent.
    "Suicide Note Pt 1"  I was hoping they'd continue and play Pt 2. But
    they just stopped.DOH!
    -ss

    	Has anyone been to the White Zombie show? They are the headlliners
    in the Pantera tour and I'm just wondering if they will measure up to
    the sheer ferocity that Pantera comes accross with on stage...
    
    	I got my tickets for the Palace on aug 10th, so I wonder if I
    should wait a little longer to get in....
    
    	Carlos

    Sorry, but Pantera is the headliner...not White Zombie.

    	Re .last
    
    	Nice to know! That means I could skip the WZ part if it's too
    cheezy. 
    
    	My only hope was that Machine head was to be touring with them, but
    I think it's EYEHATEGOD that opens the night.
    
    	Carlos

    
    I just got the album "far beyond driven".....bloody hell...waaay
    heavier than their other albums.
    
    
    good stuff to garden too! 8)
    
    						ian

    Where the hell have you been the last 3 years?

      You should take a listen to "The Great Southern Trendkill".

    
      I've been locked up in hlo FAB4 working with Boy George, THAT's
    where I've been !!!
    
    :^'
    
    

    
    Hey Ian, you otta get down to the Centrum monday night.  This gig
    is going to be INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Kev --
    

He's been working hard and will be on Sept 1st too!

    
    
    hardy har-har! 8)
    
    
    					ian

    
    
    re: monday night..
    
    I'll be there!
    
    Whit-

    
    RE: -1
    
    I'll be priming at the Main St. Brewing Co. somewhere in the 
    5-6:00pm vicinity if anyone's interested in sucking down a 
    pint or two or three.
    
    Kev --
    

    
    So what'd folks think of the show?  First of all, what's up with 
    the hour or so of Pantera?  Skimpy...late; too much weed probably.
    Secondly, I thought this one would blow the croud through the wall
    volume-wise.  Negative; KISS was louder.
    
    Had a good time anyhow.  Wish I was on the floor.
    
    Did manage to see Ian!  Hey, nice show down below (you know what's
    up)!!!!
    
    Kev --
    

    But did Kiss have the cool pot leaves flashin' everywhere?

    
    Nope.  Good point.
    
    Kev --
    

    
    pure anger and power....! 8)
    
    
    						ian

    does pantera still have the leaves and the cool intro music "everything
    is fine heaven" as they had on the FBD tour ?
    what about the setlist ? new songs ,olds ?
    
    max_who_has_like_pantera_94_guitar_pics_at_home
     

    
    they did a fair mix of songs from all their albums but mostly newer
    stuff.
    
    Dimebag's guitar playing is killer on the rythem(sp)sections but his
    leads suck!Widdly,widdly widdly....!The first song they played he went
    bananas with the Digitech whamy peddle to the point where it got a
    little annoying.
    
    
    					Ian

    
    Excellent Show..
    
    WZ inhaled though..
    
    Whit-