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Conference napalm::heavy_metal

Title:HEAVY_METAL - Talent Round-Up DayDay
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Created:Wed May 04 1988
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1238
Total number of notes:65616

113.0. "Arrangement in songs" by MILKWY::SLABOUNTY (Moving in stereo) Sat Jun 16 1990 14:08

    
    	Is the arrangement of songs somewhat universally standard?
    	I mean, as far as:
    
    	Verse 1
    	Verse 2
    	Chorus
    	Bridge
    	Solo
    	Verse 3 [or chorus]
    	Fade chorus
    
    	This seems to be the most widely used arrangement.  Or am I
    	using "arrangement" incorrectly?
    
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113.1VLNVAX::ALECLAIREIt's not my faultSat Jun 16 1990 18:3132
    The method of notating in shorthand refers to sections as A,B,C. 
    AABA   Verse 1, verse 2, Chorus. OK You knew that! What it gives you
    also is a compositional method that simply varies with whim.  Whim
    tends to vary with the popular taste of the time.  The form you give in
    the previous note wouldn't be well known in 50's music, which used alot
    of A B A B stuff. Traditional folk music uses this. So when people
    wanted to make music sound like folk music they would right A B A B. 
    There are kindof standard forms for alot of sounds. Classical music
    talks alot about the Sonata foem, but uses words like Theme,
    Developement and recapitulation  . A B A, but B here is derived from A.
    You can go on forever analyzing this stuff, and the worse thing about
    it is there are different schools of analysis. A jazz person most
    likely would vary enough in his analysis, even though consistent in his
    school of thought, from a classical person as to make it incorrect when
    compared to the classical school. This is what drove me crazy about
    going to Berklee and the Conservatory, these guys would eat each other
    up for no reason.   
    
     Guns and Roses sure does sound  simpler than Metallica. When you hear
    GaR talk about songs like they did in the 60, they talk about a certain
    method of putting the blocks together. Even Metallica , if they used
    the same methods, would sound something the same. 
     
     This is what I mean when I talk about commercial pop, at Berklee
    for example they show you This goes after This, but you can't get to A
    frm B by having this fifth note of the scale in the bass. 
    They use alot of formulas to make music that will be modeled after
    commercially successful stuff, in order to enhance the commercial-ness
    of it.   
    
     Beethovan hated this stuff, he broke all the rules, and FWIW died
    in abject  poverty.  I love Beethovan.
113.2PFLOYD::ROTHBERGSpeed daemon...Sat Jun 16 1990 20:047
                2 notes  in  one  week  from  Toenail  that  make
                sense!!  Been going to therepy?  :')
                
                Good note guy...
                
                :')
113.3CHEFS::DALLISONNaaa... We can't let Steve drive!Mon Jun 18 1990 05:0920
    
    This is interesting guys.
                            
    I've been writing lotsa songs for DLA latley, and I find
    most of the stuff seems to be in the format very similar to 
    .0 like
                     
    Intro            
    Verse            
    Verse            
    Chorus           
    Verse            
    Solo             
    Chorus to fade   
    
    I'm gonna print out Toe's analysis and try and get out of this
    cliche-rut 8^).                                               
    
    Cheers,
    -Tony 
113.4MRVAX::ALECLAIREIt's not my faultMon Jun 18 1990 10:094
    better than that, listen to a record and catch the structure .
    like Sweet Child of Mine,  intro, verse, I forget the rest.
    imitate it in a tune you write.
     
113.58)CHEFS::DALLISONNaaa... We can't let Steve drive!Tue Jun 19 1990 09:1210
    
    I did that too Toe!!
    
    I took a song I really liked, and whilst I made it totally differnt,
    change the words, and the stroy and the groove and all the guitar/bass
    /drum parts I stole the basic structure. 
                  
    Worked well but I refused to let the band do it coz its plagraism.
       
    -Naughty_Tone
113.6VLNVAX::ALECLAIREIt's not my faultWed Jun 20 1990 14:533
    Balogney. You can't plagurize the structure, because by itself it is
    not copywrited. Nor is it copywritable. How can you copywrite a
    formula, AABA ? Like, snoidu ever see Young Einstien?
113.7so I *can* rewrite stairway to heaven 8^)CHEFS::DALLISONNaaa... We can't let Steve drive!Thu Jun 21 1990 04:505
    
    Er... nope, never saw the movie.
    
    Cheers,
    -Tony
113.8VLNVAX::ALECLAIREDisk TracyFri Jun 22 1990 09:353
    He tries to patent E=MC*2 as a way to add bubbles to beer. 
    But that was in Oz.
    Former British Colony. 
113.9BTOVT::BAGDY_ME=mc� - the formula for beer bubbles !Fri Jun 22 1990 12:544
        See P_name ! :^)  Good flick Tony ! 
        
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