Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    Listen to it soon, Pete.  It's good.  Well, IMOTO.
    
    S

    I'll have to check this band out. A few people who's musical tastes
    I respect (and reflect) recommend this band, and I've heard they
    have a healthy underground audience.
    
    Can you provide any more info. on the band Pete/Steve? 
    
    /Motorbreath...

    Well, they come from the budding music scene in Seattle.  They come
    from the likes of "industrial noise" bands like Nirvana.
    
    They have one previous album, which I haven't heard, but my friend who
    was able to compare the two said the first one didn't sound like the
    second.
    
    I, personally, don't find them too much like J.A., but similar.  They
    aren't as funky or jazzy as JA.  The album is very heavy and noisy, but
    more defined than Nirvana, who are a lot noisier.  By noise, I mean
    like lots of overpowering distortion, not well defined vocals, etc...
    
    Soundgarden is noisy, like Nirvana, but a lot more powerful.  It's not
    speed or anything, but it is real heavy.
    
    Pete, you should get the album.  I think you said you only had a
    single.  What song was the single, BTW?
    
    S

    This band is very good!!!
    	I picked up Louder than Love and have listened to it twice,
    and I love it!!! This is a very powerful sounding band, very
    ballsy, very aggressive, grindingly loud and obnoxious. 
    	I believe the single Pete has must be "Ugly Truth" because
    that song reminded me slightly of Jane's Addiction. As for the
    rest of the album, I don't really know who you could compare
    them to. Some of their stuff sounds a bit reminiscent of heavier
    Led Zeppelin work, just riffs basically, listen to "Get on the Snake"
    for an example.
    	I personally think they sound a lot like Samhain or Danzig,
    especially Danzig.
    
    	They are a fun, loud nad-crunching sounding band!!!
    
    /Motorbreath...heavy metal psychedelia

    
    	I've listened to it twice so far, but I can't really say
    	that I like it.
    
    	I hear a mixture of U2 (who I don't like all that much) and
    	The Cult (who I like alot).  I think it's the The Cult in-
    	fluence that will make me give it another chance, but for
    	some reason I don't think it'll be enough to get me to like
    	it.
    
    	So far, the only song that really sticks out is "Big Dumb
    	Sex" ... the guitar riff in that song is great!!
    
    							GTI
    
    

    
    New Video: Louder than Live
    
    Flip

    
    
    	Soundgarden's new release should be out soon.  Heard a bit of
    "Jesus Christ Pose" (?) and it sounded quite good.
    
    
    Paul

    I bought the new tape lastnite, "Bad Motorfinger". It sounds great. I
    like more then the Louder then Love tape. Has alot of wild syncopated
    drum tracks on it.
    
    bob

    These guys are opening for the next leg of the GnR tour.
    
    /w

    Count me OUT if G & R comes to town again!
    
                (Unless the SKID KIDS open again)
    
                         Frizkid
    

    I've heard Louder Then Love and it rips!  Wish I could have bought it
    when I heard it!
    
    gh

Badmotorfinger is a killer album!!!!
It's much better than Louder Than Love.
Badmotorfinger has deeper, more furious, and more heavy-metalic sound.
(But it's not speed metal.)
Especially, the singer got real soulfull.
Just try to listen.

Toshiaki Tanaka

    I saw Soundgarden open for GnR last night.  This band SUCKS!!!  I can
    say that with assurance.  All I could think of during their set was
    Spinal Tap!!!  I was wating for the lead guitarist to bring out a
    violin, and try and play the violin, his guitar, and a guitar in a 
    guitar stand, all at the same time (remember that scene?).  I also had
    visions of that 18" "Stonehendge" coming down from the rafters!
    
    This band was noise.  Only the drummer was good imho.  Bad songs,
    boring stage personalities.  The Centurm crowd HATED them.  The band
    knew it too.  The singer was pissed when they finished, and said as he
    left "Don't applause, really, it's ok".  They had two encores scheduled
    on the set list they wisely did not play.
    
    a -1 on a scale of 5.
    

    
    
    Insert finger down throat.... 
    
    
    
    (better Buck?!) ;') 
    
    sounds like a cool band... Did everyone BO them off the stage?

    
    
    re.whitman
    
    THAt BOO not* bo
    
    shesh..................
    
    >>> Insert finger down throat....(better Buck?!) ;')
    
    No, now you have to throw UP! :*)
    
    
    	wendy o'
    

    
    
    
    re:Wendy'o
    
    Whhooops, Must of been Wendyolete... dang... 
    
    
    I gotta Chumm too?! HHhhuuMmppHHH.. HHHhhuUMMPhHH... HHUUUMMppPPHHH!!
    
    YYAAACCCCKKK!!
    
    (I think thats how you spell out the sound of Chummin.....) ;')

    
    
    That's gross Jim...but do me a favor... gather it up, in some kind of
    container and give it to me...
    
    My cousin's having a pinyata at his birthday party next week, this
    oughta be a great suprise...
    
    Chris

    
    >>>>(I think thats how you spell out the sound of Chummin.....) ;')
    
    actually i think puring a can of kennel corm into a toilet bowl is
    more of the sound quality you are trying to achieve:*)
    	wendy o'
    

    
    
    RE:Chris..
    
    Consider it done!
    
    RE: Wendy o'
    
    I did'nt have a can handy.. I'll just have a big lunch and 
    try it later...

Another no vote for Soundgarden.  I hate it when I see a band when I haven't
heard any of their stuff, but this band only had one speed.  Too many songs
sounded the same.

Spinal Tap?  Maybe - the drummer seemed quite live though...

Tim

    This shows you one more thing about GnR: Axl was quoted as saying he
    really likes this band.
    
    Chris D.

    I've heard some of their stuff and thought it was cool, maybe they just
    don't work out well in large venues?
    
    gh

    
    I think their new album is pretty good.
    
    MTV puts their new vid, under BUZZ CLIP.
    
    Chris

>    MTV puts their new vid, under BUZZ CLIP.
    
    Always kind of pisses me off that they have a "Rock BLOCK", a "Club
    BLOCK", a "Lame BLOCK", but just a "Buzz CLIP"!  Now there's consistant
    programming...
    
    gh

    
    Hate to burst yer bubble Houseman. 8^)
    
    the blocks aren't used anymore...those were just for summer.
    
    A BUZZ CLIP is one video by a certain group that just happen to be
    sortas 'hip' at the moment.
    
    BUZZ CLIPS:
    
    Soundgarden
    Nirvana
    Live
    PM Dawn
    Julian Lennon
    
    Chris

    No dude, the Buzz clips are the alternative bands, ie:
    
    Ned's Atomic Dustbin
    Soundgarden 
    Nirvana
    Primus
    Nine Inch Nails
    
    You'll NEVER see PM(S) Dawn of Julian Lennon doing a BUZZ clip!
    
    gh

    
    
    Man are you high??  8^)
    
    I have been home for 3 straight mornings/afternoons. MTV is always on,
    The PM dawn Buzz clip was just on aroun noon, the JUlian lennon one was
    on about 2.
    
    Soundgarden was on last night about midnight, and Live, was on about 3
    3:30 a.m. 
    
    Sorry dudee, but I'm right!
    
    
    Chris

    --and don't forget the RHCP buzzclip!
    
    Soundgarden rules!  Buck, I really didn't *expect* you to like 'em. 
    8-P
    
    'pril

    Pril,
    
    I'm really starting to doubt your ears, dude.
    
    Soundgarden fackin SUX!!!	

    Buck,
    
    I'm starting to doubt your, well .....
    
    'pril's not a `dude' ....
    
    
    Scary

    So shoot me already

    Lemme get my gun ...
    
    Scary

    
    Can I pull the trigger?!?!?!?! 
    
    Can I, Can I, Can I, Can I, Can I, PPLLEEAAAASSSEEE
    
    
    
    Chris (who has good aim!)

    We should auction off that luxury - and let the proceeds go toward a
    worthy charity.  Hmmm, we could probably save the whale, cure cancer,
    and balance the US budget with one drop of the hammer ...  8^)
    
    
    
    Helluva guy though ... waaaaaaaaaaagagaga ....   8^)
    
    Scary

    Yeah, and the partridge family RULZ!  ;)

    
    Hey, don't start that... ;)
    
    I must say though, the bus they had was most excellent.. heh heh heh.
    
    
    
    

    -2
    
    You KNOW it, sweetheart!

    Stoolin!

    
    Droolin!

    You gotta be foolin'! 8)

    No 'pril, they're LAMEin...and claimin!

    Sez you Farnelli! 8)

    Since the G+R tour is over, Soundgarden jumped over to open for
    Skid Row....
    
    
    Huey

	I borrowed SG 'BMF' over the weekend from a friend, because
	I like the tune "Outshined'  I hated it at first, but it
	has grown on me.  Anyway, 'Outshined' and 'JCP' aren't that
	bad.  But the other songs on the first side, seem to be
	a bit alternative for my tastes (kinda how I feel about
	Nirvana).  Anyway I will give the second side a listening
	to sometime, but they just don't seem to be my thing.


							-Seth

    Why are you wasting your time?
    
               Frizkid
    

    
    	I really get a laugh when I hear something referred to as being too
    	alternative.  I know what they mean but then again I have no idea.
    	Know what I mean?  It's clear to me that the pigeon hole labeling
    	system is sometimes useless especially when you describe something
    	using supleratives for something that is not well defined to begin
    	with by its inherent description and that varies from person-to-person. 
    
    	- Jim

I really think these guys and Spinal Tap are one and the same...

Tim

    
    
    	Re: Jim
    
    	Amen brother!!
    
    
    Paul

    re.49
    
    I saw the movie Spinal Tap then 2 days later I went and saw Judas
    Priest...........both one and the same!!              
    
    
                                                           Staynz

	My definition of alternative?  I don't know it is just a sound.
	Weird lyrics (IMO), a lot of Noise and not much music, no
	rythm, that is what I mean by alternative.  They are not HM
	IMO, just Heavy Alternative.  BTW a couple of song on the 
	second side are good.  But the release is not consistant.
	They seem to bounce back and forth between HM and Alternative.
	(Much more alternative though.)


						Anyway JMHOs,

							-Seth

    there is no way that I could class these guys as alternative.I feel
    they are just another of the many varying examples of rock music
    that are currently evolving.
    
    
                                                Staynz

    
    	And that is good independent of you liking them or not.
    
    	My 2� worth.
    	- Jim

>    there is no way that I could class these guys as alternative.I feel
>    they are just another of the many varying examples of rock music
>    that are currently evolving.
    
	'Varying examples of rock music that are currently evolving'

	Right!!!  Alternative!!!  That is the basic definition of
	alternative.


						-Seth

    	well would you class the new funk/metal thing as alternative,I
    certainly wouldn't.On a generic level its all rock/ metal what ever
    you may call it but in my mind,alternative is something completely
    different,unfortunately I can't think of anything just now but when
    I do I'll let ya know  8)
    
    
                                         Staynz

    
    	Maybe this should move to the "hey Pete why wasn't I on your
    	to-get list?" note or some other more appropriate place.
    
    	feel free to delete this if I don't get back before you do!
    
    	- Jim

	Right Funk/metal, rap/metal, and Soundgarden, Nirvana
	etc. Are Alternative/Metal...

	Dude, I think you have a complex about the word
	'Alternative' I think I causes some weird reactions
	in your mind.

	If you like it, you like it.


						-Seth

    unfortunately I don't have a complex about anything especially the
    word alternative.Soundgarden are just not what I would call
    alternative.And just because I debate a point(argue)it doesn't 
    necessarily mean that I like something.The only thing that causes a 
    "weird reaction" in my mind is nightshift......8)
    
    
    
                                                Staynz
    

	Dude, this is a bit silly...

	Let me finish up my bit...

	If you like Soundgarden good.
	If you don't like Soundgarden good.

	I think they are good on some of there HM songs.
	The other song are alternative, and I don't like them.

	Out of the 9 or 10 song I think I like 4 that are heavy, but
	not alternative.

	('Alternative of course using *my* ear, brain, and definition)

					That is all, I am done.
							-Seth

    my final reply.In my opinion,of which I am allowed to express,they are
    not alternative...........slightly different,yes but that is what gets
    you noticed.Just because a band has not received the commercial success
    that others have doesn't mean they are to be labled in any different
    manner.............but if you think about it,who the hell are we to
    label anything as there seems to be nothing out there that *is* true
    blue straight down the middle HM.
    
    
                                                 Staynz
    
    
                       

    MO:  They aren't alternative.  They have a lot of old Black Sabbath/
    Deep Purple influence...
    
    Just cuz they sound different, doesn't mean they're alternative.  Well
    maybe it does...  Whatever, they RULE! 8-P
    
    'pril

    Stanyz,Pril'......They're 'Alternative Heavy Metal'. 8)
    
          Personally....I don't agree in label in bands into a catagory but
    everybody else does it so....
    
     I think the singer has a good technical voice but it doesn't sound
    that great to my ears.  This whole Seatle thing really bugs me in the 
    first place....It great 'Alternative' music is getting alot more play
    but just don't expect me to like it because they put a few power chords
    in it.
    
                     Frizkid
    

    
    I have Loud Love (or something like that) two song ep or whatever.
    Sounded okay to me.

    
    	"Louder Than Love" - I always wondered if it was a take off from
    	Blue Cheer's "Louder Than God" or "Louder Than Live", it probably was.
    
    	- Jim

    Whatever, Soundgarden is one of the coolest new bands I have had the
    pleasure of listening to.  They've actually been around for a few
    years...4 or 5 I think.  The whole album rules, IMO.
    
    		It's got a groove I just can't get enough of!
    
    'pril

    
    	I vaguely recall a member of theirs doing a project with Alice in
    	Chains and Ann Wilson but I could be...
    
    	- Jim

    
    
    
    	Re: Jim
    
    	
    	Don't know if Soundgarden was involved but Ann Wilson did do
    something with Alice in Chains.
    
    	Also, there's some flick coming out (?) that'll feature oodles
    of Seattle bands.
    
    
    Paul

    
    	Paul,
    
    	The 'ole Sub Poop "Video Network / Program One" is okay and sort of
    	implied a follow up by the name.
    
    	- Jim

    
    
    	Re: Jim
    
        I read about it in USA Today.  Last week they ran a report on
    Seattle's music scene.  The movie was made to sound like some real
    Hollywood "coming to your local theater" type thing.  It'll have 
    music but that's not the plot.  I think the name was something like 
    "Singles"??  That could imply any number of things... music, dating 
    scene, baseball, Kraft cheese... 8^)
    
    
    Paul

    
    	Hum, I heard that Cameron Crowe was directing it and it was going
    	to feature Tad, Mudhoney, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and Nirvana but
    	an old ('90 or so) reference credits him on a film called "Singles" 
    	which leaves me more confused than usual but patiently awaiting 
    	any details.  Is it a "Singles" sequel or something?
    
    	- Jim

>             <<< Note 165.78 by SOURCE::ZAPPIA "have a hangover" >>>
                                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    No thanks, I already had one...
    
>    	to feature Tad, Mudhoney, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and Nirvana but
    
    *Too* cool!  Man, where can I see this jem?
    
    gh

    The show at Avalon last nite was great.....the only thing that suxed
    was the encore. They did this terrible 20 minute jam with members of
    the opening bands..

    
    
    	Agreed Bob...  great show!!
    
    	I blame that jam on the "last night of the tour" syndrome.  Wish
    they'd have announced they were gonna mess around for 20 minutes...
    could have bolted early.
    
    
    Paul

	Bummed that I missed Monster Magnet, the first band.  Although I
	enjoyed Sweredriver in the past the most exciting bit was when they
	ripped out a few bars of Sweet Leaf.  I would have preferred to hear 
	that.

	I liked the jam although it didn't really head anywhere.

	I can recall thinking places like JFK stadium, Shea, etc. were intimate
	settings, now even Avalon seems huge.  Axis size to Middle East
	(small) works best these days for me.

	Side note, after getting bored with the weak/expensive drinks I asked
	for a bit less on the ice which had been nearly filling the cup
	and if they're then not going to add more booze why not at least
	fill the glass with the mix (Coke in this case).

	Gripe of the day.

	- Jim

    -1 ..When he came through the audience...we pushed him to where he
    stood in the back. He landed right on one of the girls we were with.
    She hit the floor hard!        

    
    SOUNDGARDEN rooolzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    

    
    SOUNDGARDEN Drooolzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    

    Nooooottttttt! Ask Friz, he loves soundgarden. These guys are
    awesome..!
    
    :)
    Bob

    Bob,
    
    You're a nice guy, but I have top tell you, these guys REALLY SUCK!
    I mean, there photo is in Webster's next to the verb Suck!!!

    You sure thats not Shotgun Messiah....Im only kiddin ya, but honestly
    what about these guys do you dislike? Dont say everything..I like
    alot of different types of stuff including SG and cant understand
    why somebody would think they suck...Is it the grunge rock scene?
    
    Just curious

    Buck
    BTW- Somebody bought my BIG snake lastnite...Sad to see him go :(
    

    >Im only kiddin ya, but honestly what about these guys do you dislike?
    >Dont say everything..I like alot of different types of stuff including
    >SG and cant understand why somebody would think they suck...Is it the
    >grunge rock scene?
    
    I like a lot of different stuff, too, but anyone who really KNOWS me
    will know that there is a trend in bands that I like...MELODY!  To my
    ears, SG has plodding, un-melodic music.  I didn't say noise...I just
    find it unpleasantly un-melodic!  Anywho, even the punk bands I loved 
    in the 70s had melody and hooks...SG just doesn't seem to do that. 
    Also, I hate their song arrangements (too long)...like a grungier
    version of the Dead!!  8^(  I'm into well-crafted songs.
    
    Also, I really don't "get" their image (do they even have one?? 
    Seriously).  AND, I think they have one of the WORST live acts (stage
    presencly speaking) of any band I see.  I have seen SG in concert 3
    times now, and when I see them, by the 2nd song:
    
    - I'm really bored
    - I'm getting a headache
    - I want them to leave the stage
    
    ...and that's just me being honest...they really bother me, seriously!
    
    Now, I loved WASP, and I'm sure they gave some people a headache and
    all the bad vibes I get from SG, but to me, they were high energy
    punk-influenced metal, and their tunes had some cool hooks, and even
    some melody to em!!
    
    That, in a nutshell, is why I'm really not into this band
                                          

    RE: Big snake...
    
    No way.  How long was he when he sold?

    I HATE EVERYTHING ABOUT HIS BAND! It's the truth....
      Suckage....8P
    
             Friz
    

    A buddy let me borrow Badmotorfinger ... sucks ...
    
    Scary

    Buck:Good call!
    
     Scary: Sucks bad.....Did you fall asleep or take the Cd out first?
    
     Friz
    

    Buck--about 12 ft...I understand what your saying. I personally hated
    Louder then Love...but for some reason I like bad motorfinger. SG
    stage show was boring, but sometimes I get in the mood for that heavy
    grunge rock and thats when I listen ti SG
    
    Friz---Cmon "Suckage", couldnt ya think of a real word? Someday you'll
           like SG....I know it   :) 
    
    

    Friz.....Im not deaf....I just like a W I D E variety of music.
    	     Im not stuck in the Pose rock listenening mode....sorry!
    
    
    :)
    Bob

    
    Yeah, like, listening to more than one genre is a novel concept, isn't
    it?! 8-)

    
    
    I gave these guys chance, but every time I hear them my stomach turns
    more and more... 
    
    I disliked all this type of music, but I now have a new respect for
    Pearl Jam ever since MTV unplugged which they did an EXCELLENT job 
    at!
    
    
    JW-

    Pearl Jam seems to be sort of in a different vain...even Mother Love
    Bone wasn't your typical Seattle thing.
    
    
    Buck, Pres. of PIHOS!

    BOB:Why should I waste my time....It's such a worthless cause!
    If you like Soundgaren you must be mentally insane so why should I 
    have hope for you. 8)
    Pete:I listen to a few different types of music...FWIW.
    Jim:HEY!! That's when I started liking PJ!!! They did a great job on
    that unplugged didn't they? I TOLD YA SO!
    Buck:Welcome aboard the PIHOS train!!!!! 
    
         Just say "NO" to OVER-HYPED Seattle bands. 8)
    
              Frizkid
    

    
>    Buck, Pres. of PIHOS!
	GET LOST YOU WANNA BE LOSER!!!!!!


	*I* am the president!!!!  You scum sucking pig!!!


	Soundgarden sux BIG time!!!!!  I gave them a chance,
	and they lost..


						-PresOfPIHOSypooh

Suggestion to improve Soundgarden:

Rototill everything over and plant tomatoes.

Tim

    Seth: Since when have you been Pres.?  I thought it was "PARTNERS"?
    Buck is a wanna be but I think he should be in. 8)
    The more the merrier....
    TIMDUDE:Yea...Tomatoes! Then we can throw them at them the next time
    the come around.
    
             Friz
    

	Yeah, Buck can be a member but he is CERTIANLY not President!


	Friz we were partners, but you like Pearl Jam, where as I
	still hate them!!!!


							-PIHOSypooh!

    You clowns are *too* harsh!  Grunge roolz and Soundgarden is hot!  They
    were the one band I remembered from that Skid Row/SG/Pantara show
    Frizpose took me to awhile back.  Give Bob a break!
    
    gh

    OHHHHHHH      YOU FACKIN' LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      I was sleeping during most of the Soundgarden show but I noticed that
    you weren't into it that MUCH!! SHHHEEEZZZZZ LIES...ALL LIES!!!
    I saw you really getting into Skid Row though or was that just peer
    pressure?
    
     Grunge droollzzz and Soundgarden is the worst of the them. They have
    the highest snooze factor that I've ever seen. BLAH!
    
           BOB: ONE BREAK....COMIN' UP!
    
             Friz
    

I definitely remembered them from GnR / SG too.  Doesn't mean they can play
though!  The bass player was visiting another planet during their set.

Droolz??  More like Stoolz.

Tim

    The bass player: That dude was more interested in his shoes than the
    crowd. I doubt he could even tie his owe shoes for that matter.
    Hurky-durk! DOY!!!!
    
     How about STOOLZ x 1,000,000?
    
           Friz
    
    
                 

    Say what you will, boy, I enjoyed Soundgarden's show!
    
    gh

Well I'm gonna lose my RON (Read Only Noter) status now, might as well
jump in here, as these guys are putrid.

The first time I saw them on MTV I turned it on just after the intro,
and I started to chuckle because I thought it was some sort of parody.

Then I realized they were serious, or at least thought they were.

Lead singer chews marbles, lead guitarist has stubs for fingers, but other
than that they're pretty good....NOT!

I still get a chuckle every time I see 'em.  I keep thinking the talent 
pool over there must be pretty low or sumpin'.  ;^\

-andy

PS.  Hi Tigg  (bet she's confused now...)

Re:  PIHOS

I prefer PIHOG (People In Hatred Of Grunge) thank you very much.

NOT everything that comes from Seattle is grunge.

Queensryche ROOLZ.  They are from Seattle and they are NOT grunge.

Ann and Nancy Wilson of Heart are from Seattle.  Woo.  Woo.  Woo.  dy.

Granted there is a lot of sh_t coming out of Seattle right now, but
there is some wicked awesome stuff coming from there too.  Boston was
like that a while back.  There were a few roolin' bands and a million
turds.  Actually, Boston is still like that.

-- 
Kevin

    
    
    PIHOS= Permeable Idiocyncrasies Hallucinating on Suppositories!!!!
    
    SOUNDGARDEN ROOLZ
    
    The Seattle scene is very happening and anybody who doesnt like
    that or bashes the bands out of there is probably mad that there
    City isnt getting the same attention...musically that is!
    
    :*)

    We could always get nit picky and say that in all reality, Heart
    comes from Vancouver (originally), and Queensryche are actually from
    Bellview (SP?), WA.

     Going against the grain:  Soundgarden is fair.
    
     Rather Medium.
    
    Ratt
    

    I think Soundgarden are excellent medium rare.  Don't get them too done
    though 'cause they get really tough.
    
    gh

There are actually FANS of this group in here?  :^)

This is the same band that, when they came on and my 2 year old was in the
room (listening to MTV like she does sometimes) get's this disgusted  face,
says "stinks" (actually, "tinks"), and goes in the other room to play with her 
Duplos instead?!

That band?

Seriously, the man can NOT sing a lick.  I realize this isn't the whole
story of a band, but I just can't get past that.

Taste variation, an amazing thing sometimes I guess. ;^)

-andy

    Chris Cornell has one of the most powerful voices in the rock bands
    that are emerging today....
    
    IMO that is......No comment friz or Ill egg yer car with a peice of
    Seattle stone!
    

    HIS voice.....ACK!!! It that was true Metal would be in SAD shape.
    Thank God it's just your ears are WACKED!!!
    His wimpy voice?   WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
     I'm rollin'!!!!!!!
    
          Seattle stone will break and shatter on my car....
    
      Friz
    

    Can we give it a break with the contentless replies in this topic?
    
    gh

    Yes...Father.  8P
    
           Friz
    

    I think they're ok.I wouldn't go and see them in concert unless by
    chance they were supporting someone but they are "ok"
    
    
    
                                                          Staynz
    
    Friz.......put that tongue away!!  8)

    
    
    Well, I jut picked up the BadMotorFinger album by these guys...my
    opinion on it in a few lines..., anyway's, I figured I'd check the 
    notes file and see what other people thought of these guys. Turns out
    they don't get a very good rating by the "usual" noters of this
    conference. This figures. Reading through the repliess in this note
    there were such entries as the singer having a "weak" voice (WHAT?!?),
    the band having no melodies (WHAT?!?), boring (EXCUSE ME?!?)...I just
    couldn't believe what I was reading...actually (no flame intended)
    though given the "these-guys-are-great hype" bestowed upon many of the
    bands in this notesfile (most of which personally I think are only o.k.
    ...at best) I can understand why these guys aren't liked. I guess I
    come from the old school of what REAL Hard Rock is defined as...and in
    my "humble" opinion these guys are IT!!! As far as the singer being 
    "weak", gimme a break - he has got to have on of THE best rock voices
    around. Granted, these guys are not defined as in th vein of "todays"
    heavy metal classifications - they're more of the way I expected the 
    pioneers of heavy metal sound to progress...which is just Heavy Rock
    (ala Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Bloodrock...etc...).
    
     Sorry for the book I've written here but when a truly GREAT album like
    BadMotorFinger comes out and doesn't get the appreciation it most
    certainly deserves it gets to me, especially when other bands with 
    albums out at this time (Pearl Jam comes to mind - now THAT singer
    SUCKS!!!) has everyone falling on their knees "droolin'". 
    
     Hope these guys are around for a long time...
    
     Steve S.  
    

    re: -1
    
    Very well put dude!
    
    I agree 100%
    
    Weak voice my a$$, Chris Cornell has a wicked powerfull voice!  In
    fact, I think he sounds a little bit like Dio on 'Outshined'.
    Anybody who's listened to his softer singing on Temple Of The Dog and
    thinks he doesn't have a *good* voice must be hard of hearing!
    
    And you can definately hear Black Sabbath's influence on Soundgarden.
    Especially during the slow part of 'Rusty Cage'.
    
    The noters who have put them down mainly complained about their live
    performance.  I've never seen or heard them live, so I don't know how
    they sound that way.  How do they sound live?
    
    |KS|
    

    That`s very true,Steve. I`ve got the "Louder than Love" album,and
    it brings to mind Led Zeppelin,Black Sabbath,Mountain - that sort
    of sound.
    
    I can`t really it being a bright new sound or wot not,i must admit.
    Same goes for Nirvana,which to means sounds like "Masters of Reality"
    part 2.
    
    

    re: Steve       
    
    Ken's right, most of the people that didn't like them are either
    completely biased toward pretty-boy music or just saw their live show a
    a large venue.  I believe their live show doesn't translate well into a
    stadium sized crowd.  If you notice, there are a number of us "regular
    noters" who do enjoy Soundgarden.  I was just listening to
    Badmotorfinger this morning and it's definately got some cool stuff on
    it.
    
    Now, I wouldn't say that they're the best band I ever heard, but
    they're definately interesting and I enjoy listening to them.  I have
    both Badmotorfinger and Louder Then Love and think that for the most
    part, BMF is the better of the two albums.
    
    As far as Chris Cornell's voice goes, he's definately pushing it pretty
    hard.  When I heard him live his voice sounded kind of weak from having
    been abused too much.  I'm sure with some time to rest it, it sounds 
    much better, the studio albums show that.  On the other hand, I think
    his voice sounds pretty nondescript on the Temple Of the Dog material
    that I've heard.  It's better on the Soundgarden stuff 'cause he's
    pushing it out more.  
    
    However, I will say that I disagree with you about Eddie Veder's voice
    (the guy from Pearl Jam).  I like his voice much better.  He has a
    strong powerful voice and uses it without abusing it, where Chris
    Cornell basically just screams out the lyrics (like I do when I sing).
    Eddie will still have the ability to sing in 5 or 10 years, I doubt
    that Chris will.
    
    gh

   > However, I will say that I disagree with you about Eddie Veder's voice
    >(the guy from Pearl Jam).  I like his voice much better.  He has a
   > strong powerful voice and uses it without abusing it, where Chris
   > Cornell basically just screams out the lyrics (like I do when I sing).
   > Eddie will still have the ability to sing in 5 or 10 years, I doubt
   > that Chris will.                
    
           Amen! ***IMO*** Eddie has much better voice with loads of most
    personality.  Hopefully we won't have to wait 5 years for him to lose
    his voice....I just can't stand the thought of another Soundgarden
    album.
    
     Live: Soundgarden was the one of the worst acts I've ever seen
      they bored me to tears.  Alot of the crowd was sitting down at the
    show I was at. Skid Row kicked their collective BUTTS!
    
            Friz
    

    I don't think audience reaction is a good gauge of a performance. 
    People seemed to be hopping around for Pantara at that show too, but
    what I saw of their performance wasn't so hot.  On the other hand, the
    crowd was fairly sedate for Soundgarden, but I thought they played
    well.  The crowd went wild for Skid Row, who I thought put on a pretty
    generic performance.
    
    Guess it's all what you expect from something and what gauge you use to
    measure it by.
    
    gh

    
    re. 137 -
    
     Agreed, Chris Connell will probably not have a voice in (the future),
    he is a screamer. As far as the singer for PJ, after a whole bunch of
    listening I "might" end up liking him (more than I do now), but I don't
    like having to get "used" to a singers voice. Never the less, I think 
    they're a really good band and I like their music.
    
    re.139 -
    
     Isn't that the way it always seems to work out for an opening act?
    Typically people are so psyched about seeing "the band they really came
    to see" that they don't even want to acknowledge the opening band
    (unless it's a Monster of Heavy Metal bill or some sort of thing like
    that). It's a tough position to be put in and anyone in a band that's
    been an opening act for even a club band (you get a few minutes to play -
    for the experience of playing out mostly) knows how tough it can be.
    Unless you're really prepared to blow the other band off the stage and 
    steal the show you aren't going to get anywhere with the fans/groupies/
    whatevers. SoundGarden probably are not ready for the big venues
    (especially supporting a group like G&R - even though I don't like them 
    it would be a seriously impossible task to blow these guy off the stage 
    in front of their fans). As far as seeing SG live, personally I
    haven't but, I don't neccesarilly rate a band by their ability to play
    live - you're talking to someone who's been sadly dissapointed in
    concert by the like of Led Zep, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Ozzy,
    Aerosmith (Tyler's voice was blown, band was more than drunk) and 
    quite a few other's I can't think of right now. 
    
    
    Steve S.  

    re: .142
    
    Eddie's voice is definately different, it took me a few times through
    the album to get used to it too.  I think it's very unique though, and
    that's very important to me when listening to new music.  I get tired
    of hearing the same old thing!
    
    I agree on the opening band thing, and I also think that Soundgarden
    just isn't cut out for arena shows.  I think they'd be kill in a medium
    to large club.  They seems like a "up close" kinda band.
    
    Don't let the hecklers get to ya, you know what you like!
    
    Gh

    I'd rather slide down a 50' razor than listen to Soundgarden!!

    Yea...Slide down it into a bath of rubbing alcohol with spiders in it.
          Naked! Sliding down the front...Can't you feel it?
    
           Friz
    

    
    re. last two -
    
      For some reason I get the idea that you guy's would actually get into 
    that - why not go the distance and add a little rust to the blade and
    some iodine to the water - don't be skiddish.
    
    Steve S.

    Thats my nickname! 80

    Steve: Yeah...I'd enjoy anything more than listening to DEAFgarden.
    They are the worst band I've seen come around in a long time....
    
          Friz
    

It's not that I hate Soundgarden, but after seeing them, there was nothing
they did that grabbed me and said "I want to hear more".  It got kind of
boring towards the end.

Tim

    re: buck & friz
    
    	closed minds think alike...
    
    'pril

    
    
    	Add me to the closed mind list!! hehehe
    
    	Actually I bought Soundgarden, and gave it a fair shot, and
    	IMO it s**ks!
    
    
    								-Seth

    You mean "posed minds"!

    Well, considering the sources, I'd say Soundgarden is one of the best
    bands around...
    
    8-P

    April: I think you meant 'great' instead of 'closed' don't you? 8)
    
     Why do we get labeled at "closeminded" just because we hate
    Soundgarden? I think my mind has been QUITE open lately don't you?
    
        Friz
    

     
     Re: Yesterdays Replys...
    
     I thought Soundgarden was really good in concert (But Pearl Jam was
    better),  either you like their type of sound or you dont.... You don't
    just really like one song, either you like 'em all or none...
    
     Ratt
     

 >   Thats my nickname! 80
    
    What?  Skiddish?
    
    |KS|
    
    

    
    
     re.147 -
    
    Sorry 'bout that (not about it being your nickname).
    
    
    Say, aren't there a couple of replies from yesterday missing??
    
    re. Friz(?) -
    
    If you'd rather listen to Bobby Brown then that explains why you can't
    appreciate the good music that's around - like SG.  *:^)
    
    Steve S.

    YEAH...YEAH!!! Whatever....
    
    Come to think of it: I'd rather listen you bitch about how good they
    are to listen to them. THEY AREN'T SH*T! THEY FACKIN' SUCK!!!!
    
               Friz
    

    
    Friz-
    
    After reading the replies you wrote for other bands, I must recommend
    to the convention that they take no heed in the words you speak.
    
    Please...the crowd at a Skid Row show do not make critics of good
    music.  Although I do myself like the Skidsters.  Take no heed in the
    poofy haired opinions of the posers.
    
    Steve

    Really I could careless what YOU think....The people that like
    Soundgarden are a bunch of deaf idoits. IHO...
       Please Steve....Get a life or your suffering will be legendary.
    
    /prc
    

    
    No, I don't think concert crowds are good critics.  Look at all the
    people that still go to watch Kiss, and Pantera, and the Clairol
    sponsored metal tours.  ;-)
    
    S

    HA!HA!HA! NOT! 
    
         Concert crowds usaully yell for anything so if the crowd is
    sitting down ya know SOMETHING is wrong.  I think the band they were
    watching at the time SUCKED and had NO energy. At least Pantera had
    loads of energy.  It was either that or the crowd was breathless
    waiting to see if the bass player from Soundgarden would look up from
    his shoes...
    
        Friz
    

    
    }} No, I don't think concert crowds are good critics.  Look at all the
    }} people that still go to watch Kiss, and Pantera, and the Clairol
    }} sponsored metal tours.  ;-)
    
    Ahem, EXCUSE ME!!!  Do NOT lump Pantera into Clairol sponsered metal
    tours...  thank you.
    
    'pril (the deaf idiot...  8( )

    re. 160 -
    
      My, my, my, touchy aren't we? Even if I differ with you on your 
    opinion of these guys (which you know I do) I would never be so
    juvinial as to call you a "deaf idiot" due to your musical taste.
    Take a chill pill or pick up your ball and go home. We only play fair
    in this note :^))
    
    Steve S.

    Steve S: No...I'm not touchy just bent on telling everybody how TRES
    LAME Soundgarden are.  Let's be real here:
    I hate Soundgarden...You don't. I don't think either one of us will
    give up an inch so let's drop it. Plus...I've had this conversation
    with some many people it's getting real stale. (Kinda like
    Soundgarden's "music")  O.K.? Thanks...
    
     April: Listen darling....Pantera are the true definition of SELL-OUTS!
    Look it up in the dictionary...they'll be there.
     PLUS: They were they deserve to be....OPENING FOR SKID ROW!
    I doubt they'll ever be any bigger.
    
       Friz
    

    Geez, he goes from raving about Poison to busting on Pantera... 
    Talk about back-a$$wards!  

    No....I'm not Kriss Kross.  I say what I think not what other want to
    hear. 
     Not that it right...It's just my opinion.
    
               Friz
    

    Pantera...sell outs???
    
    funniest joke I heard all day!

    o.k. Do you have all the albums before Cowboy's from Hell?
       Or did you know they were around before that? 
    I'm sure they'd like to keep their past a secret....
    
                     Friz
    

    re: Steve G.
    
>    Please...the crowd at a Skid Row show do not make critics of good
>    music.  Although I do myself like the Skidsters.  
    
    Right, that's what I was trying to say a few notes before.  Skid Row's
    audience is completely different then what Soundgarden would usually
    draw, it's no wonder they didn't get big crowd response at that show.
    
    Besides, 13 year old kids just don't have the mental capacity to
    comprehend Soundgarden anyway, and that was about 90% of the
    audience...
    
    gh

    
     So, Friz...what do you think of SoundGarden?!?
    
    
    
    
    Steve S.

  Right, that's what I was trying to say a few notes before.  Skid Row's
    audience is completely different then what Soundgarden would usually
    draw, it's no wonder they didn't get big crowd response at that show.
    
    >> Skid Row audience IS completely different...They have taste in
    >>music. I'd agree with you about draw...Soundgarden could never draw
    >> that many people.
    Besides, 13 year old kids just don't have the mental capacity to
    comprehend Soundgarden anyway, and that was about 90% of the
    audience...  
    >>I think you're hardly being fair here...Skid Row has more than an
    audience of 13 year olds. I saw people they from 7 to 35....So give it
    up man.  You know in your heart that Skid Row had a much superior
    show..And so do I.
    
     Friz
    

    Steve: HA!HA! I think they're bad for your teeth but are good if you're
    constapated.  
    
          Friz
    

>    Besides, 13 year old kids just don't have the mental capacity to
>    comprehend Soundgarden anyway, and that was about 90% of the
>    audience...  
>    >>I think you're hardly being fair here...Skid Row has more than an
>    audience of 13 year olds. I saw people they from 7 to 35....So give it
>    up man.  
    
    You missed the perfect opportunity to slam me there.  All you had to
    say was "Yeah, *you* were there".
    
>    You know in your heart that Skid Row had a much superior show..And so do I.
    
    Skid Row did put on a good show.  I enjoyed it quite a bit.  However I
    thought Soundgarden's portion of the show was more memorable.  I liked
    'em both, and I didn't allow myself to be biased about their respective
    performances by the reaction (or lack thereof) from the rest of the
    audience.  Even if I was the only one in there that liked Soundgarden,
    I still enjoyed them and their set.
    
    gh

	This conversation, like most of the ones here, is really lame...

	Taste is something that is an individual thing.

	Everyone bickers over which groups are better.  Well, here
	is my input on Soundgarden.


	As I said, I bought BADMOTORFINGER, I gave it a bunch of listens
	to give it a fair chance.  The music got on my nerves very quickly.
	The singers voice was terible with all that screaching...  
	I didn't not like it at all, now it just collects dust...

	FWIW although I said 'PIHOS' I do not say this blindly.  I have
	given the majority of band with the 'Seattle Sound' a chance
	and they just don't cut it, in my book.

	I bought Soundgarden - BadmotorFinger
		 Nirvana - the newest one
		 Alice in Chains - Facelift

	I gave all a fair shot, I have also listened to Pearl Jam, My Sisters
	Machine.. and so on...

	So I make a fair judgement on all....  When it comes right down
	to it... (IMO)  Seattle Su*ks!!!!


							-Seth

>>	So I make a fair judgement on all....  When it comes right down
>>	to it... (IMO)  Seattle Su*ks!!!!

Does that include Queensr�che?  I can't see how you can say that?  "Seattle
sucks" is like saying "Boston (MA) Sucks" because I don't like Boston (way)
and Aerosmith (no way).

I like some Nirvana, but probably wouldn't buy Nevermind.  I bought Pearl Jam
and really like that.  I would listen to BadMotorFinger if someone lent it to 
me (hint, hint), but seeing them live turned me off too much to risk buying
the disk despite recommendations from people like 'Pril.  She was emphatic
about BloodSugarSexMagic and I have to agree with her on that.


By the way I heard the new song by Sonic Youth this morning.  Talk about
Grunge...

Tim

>By the way I heard the new song by Sonic Youth this morning.  Talk about
>Grunge...
    
    Any SY aren't even from Seattle, they're based in NYC (as I
    remember)...
    
    I haven't heard their new album myself, but I've read other people's
    reviews that said it's tamer then a lot of their older material.  I
    liked their previous one, Goo, quite a bit though.
    
    Gh

    re: last 2
    
    Sonic Youth are based in New York (they played a free concert
    in Central Park with Sun Ra on the 4th of July) I would hardly
    call them "Grunge". I would probably classify them more as
    Noise Rock. (Another useless term)
    
    -Bill
    

  Sonic Youth are based in New York (they played a free concert
    in Central Park with Sun Ra on the 4th of July)
     >>Yea..I've heard them. I doubt anyone would wanna see them EVEN if it
    was free. 8)  8)
    
   I would hardly call them "Grunge". I would probably classify them more as
    Noise Rock. (Another useless term) 
      Yes....I sincerly think the world of rock could benefit
    if we stopped using so many lame terms to describe music.
     As it is right now, everybody is so divided by this "labeling"
    the scene seems to be hurting.
    
       Friz
                               

>     >>Yea..I've heard them. I doubt anyone would wanna see them EVEN if it
>    was free. 8)  8)

    I would!!!  They're HOT!  I'd even pay to see 'em!

>      Yes....I sincerly think the world of rock could benefit
>    if we stopped using so many lame terms to describe music.
>     As it is right now, everybody is so divided by this "labeling"
>    the scene seems to be hurting.

    I completely agree!  This has bothered me for a long time.  It's also
    one of Jim Zappia's pet peeves, I remember having several discussions
    with him before he left about this.

    re: Friz

    Just friendly advice?  Can you delineate your responses from the
    extracts from other people's notes a little bit better?  The ones like
    .-1 are difficult to read.

    gh

    Greg: Will do....Sorry, I was in a hurry.
    
         SY hot? Well...Maybe in another life time. 8)
    
              Friz
    

	re: Tim..  (It was Tim right?)


	I just read your message, I said a similar thing in 99...


	It is not the city it is the sound..


	I would be a hypocrite if I hated a band because of the city
	they came from.


						-Seth

Well to revive this long-dead topic, I heard a song off the new Soundgarden
album on the way home last night.  I think it was called Spoon/spooner whatever.

I was surprised but I liked it.  I never thought I hear something by them I
liked...

Tim

Rolling Stone gave the new SoundGarden 4*/5*.  The new song is called Spoonman
to correct my previous reply.

Tim

    Good reviews in Rolling Stone?  Does this mean Soundgarden's sold out
    now?
    
    gh

    I think I've heard the single and thought it was quite good!
    
    
    					ian

    
    Love the new song....does anyone know the name of the new album?
    
    Flip

    
    The album is called "Superunknown".
    
    Del.

Saw the last 15 seconds of the video for Spoonman.  Looked like some wierd dude
with a mohawk was playing spoons for it...

Is this album released yet?

Tim

    I Think the Album comes out this week.I saw the Vid for Sppon_Man also.
    One Part has me Rollin....It's when they show pictures of the Band 
    members being dipped into A Tar_Pit.
    
       Crazy_I_Bet_This_Is_A_Good_Album_Al

    The album is awesome!
    Blows Badmotorfinger away...
    
    But that is just my opinion.
    
    Best songs...
       Black hole sun
       The day I tried to live
       Spoonman
       Fell on black days
       Mailman
    (not in any particular order)
    
    Chris
    

    Any_Body catch them on HBB This Week_End? I missed it.
    I think "Ohhhhh RickIYYIYYYyyyyyy"was with the band in Atlanta.
    
    
           Crazy_Fork_Man_Al

    I heard Spoonman on the radio last week and really liked it.  Cool
    sound, very different then BMF.
    
    Greg

You can hear the spoons being played when you listen carefully.  I was going to
get this yesterday but ran out of time.  I'll pick it up very soon though.

>    I heard Spoonman on the radio last week and really liked it.  Cool
>    sound, very different then BMF.
    
    I agree. I hate to use a cliche but the album has a "darker" feel to the
    songs than BMF; more foreboding or melancholy.
    
    chris
     

    I bought the Superunknown. I just listened to it twice, so my
    impression may change later. 
    First of all, I LOVE BadMotorFinger. I was even surprised that the
    singer improved his voice a lot then. I liked the heaviness and
    aggressiveness like Black Sabath then. So, I expected more this time.
    Probably, I expected too much. I was hoping that Superunknown would be
    more DIRECTLY furious. Therefore, I must admit that I was a bit
    disappointed when I listen to it first time. I am NOT saying that
    Superunknown is a boring album, but different from what I expected. The
    singer is still powerful and the band is very tight and heavy. I just
    find it less heavy metal. Anyway, I hope that the album will be selling
    good because I'm their fan.
    
    Bye,
    
    Toshiaki Tanaka from Tokyo, Japan

I have to disagree with the previous review.  I haven't heard all of
BadMotorFinger, but what I've heard I didn't like.  When I saw SG live I prayed
for them to finish... On the other hand...

This is a great album.  The band is now into tempo changes, dynamics, harmony
and melody.  It clocks over 70 minutes and has a bunch of great songs...  I've
been burned a few times by buying an album due to songs I heard on the Radio,
then finding out that is the "best" song.  So if you like Spoonman, I think
you'll love this album because that is not the best song on the album.  Check
out "The Day I Tried to Live", or "Black Hole Sun".

Black hole song has sort of Pink Floydish sound to it.  Spoonman and Let Me
Drown remind me of Led Zep and I've heard some early Black Sabbath - like
portions...

Tim

    ....Soundgarden at the Wallace Civic Center, June 18th,,,tix on sale
    Monday, May 16...opening acts Tad and Eleven...should be a good show...
    
    mac
    

    soundgarden what a bunch of namby pamby whimps is all that i can say,i
    saved all my dosh up to see them at reading,and what happens the singer
    gets a sore throat and pulls out,i go to work most days with a raging
    hang over and still manage to my work so now feel pearl jam are 10X
    better those girlie soundgarden whimps
        		the brick

    yesterday i saw soundgarden live .... 
    if you have time check em out on the rest of there european tour !
    it was really amazing .. at the end they smashed there equipment !
    in mid concert he wanted the crowd to sit down , after 2 trys the hole
    hall was sitting on the floor ... the he jumped on the sittin poeple..
    
    max_
    
    ps.
    i didnt know till now that a guitar can stand this many hits on the
    floor !
    

    
    
    	I've never understood why musicians would destroy their
    	instruments on stage.  Stupid stunt if you ask me.
    
    	(Don't get me wrong, I like Soundgarden's music)
    
    	JJ
    

    
    	If anything, they should destroy their rivals on stage.
    
    	Picture Chris Cornell carrying a bound and gagged Eddie Vedder
    	out onto the stage and swinging him against a Marshall stack
    	over and over.
    
    	Now THAT'S an encore worth seeing.
    

    	Speaking of stunts like that, I remember, Motley Crue playing
    in New Jersey and Nikki Sixx, turned his bass around to the crowd,
    and it read BON JOVI SUCKS, crowd went nuts, then he smashed the
    bass to bits...During the same show, Vince was screaming for the
    crowd to make some more noise, and said This ain't no Debbie Gibson
    or Bon Jovi concert, were Motley F'n Crue...Gotta love little band
    feuds...
    
    Bobby T

    > I've never understood why musicians would destroy their
    > instruments on stage.  Stupid stunt if you ask me.
    
    I can think of a few musicians who SHOULD destroy their instruments:
    Clapton is a good example, Neil Young is another, etc.

    I Like to Think of it as A_Sacrifice to The Audiance.
    
    
      Crazy_As_Hendrix_Put_It_Al

    I've never understood why musicians would destroy their
    instruments on stage.  Stupid stunt if you ask me.

Ask Pete Townsend or Roger Daltrey, they were really good in these things...

    
    it was unique and original 30 years ago(but still stilly)now it's stale
    and silly!
    
    
    						ian
    
    if they don't want the instruments...sell 'em!

Even the who got tired of doing it and that was when they could afford to do
it...

    I was irked when Nirvana has ressurected this tired old theatrics.
    Seems like once again this is the thing to do.
    
    Buck, who always like those musicians who brought out the crappy
    guitar before they were smashed.

    
    Buck....musicians who brought out crappy guitars etc.....
    
    
    you mean like Ritchie Blackmore?
    
    					ian

    No, no...crappy guitars - like Gibson, Fender, etc...

    re: ian
    
    exactly!

    I heard some news on the new disc coming out in April or May. 
    Definately a single coming out on April 24.
    The guitar player said that the disc is alot buzzier than Superunknown. 
    He said they wanted to make some NOISE, and he thinks that's what they
    did with this one.  Sounds cool.
    
    Paully

    
    	I preferred BMF to SU, so this is good.
    
    	Did they have another after SU, or was that the last?
    

    
    SU was the last disk they put out, unless there is live stuff out.
    
    BMF is better than SU, for sure.
    
    Dave

    
    	Eh All,
    		SoundGarden does have another one comin' out...at around
    the time Paully said. (Re: .214) When I called the BEAR to find out
    more, the only thing she could tell me was that some of it sounded like
    LedZepplin III (Mandolins) and then got real heavy! For those of you
    who may have missed it...there is another SG file in Radio_Radio.
    I didn't think this group should have been in the Heavy Metal but
    rather, they should have been in the Alternative. But dats just me!!!
    
    
    	H.A.G.O.,
    
    		 J

    
    	RE: .217
    
    	There is another music FILE [or CONFERENCE] called RADIO_RADIO,
    	and in that FILE is a NOTE [or TOPIC] for the band Soundgarden.
    

    I finally heard the new one on the 20th at a local bar, missed most of
    it cause there was a band (CRAPY) tuning up!
    
    	Anyone else hear it?
    
    		If so, what ya think, and whats the name of it?
    
    
    	H.A.G.O.,
    		 J

    
    	Crapy?  Never heard of them.
    
    	What kind of music do they play?
    

    They 're a cover band...and the only talent they have is the
    drummer/vocalist. They call themselves "Brinin' down the House".
    
    Cover tunes include stuff from...
    
    	Tom Cochran (shutter)
    	Collective Soul (shiver)
    	Fleetwood Mac (sh!t)
    
    		All O.K. to Good bands, but really bad covers!

    May 13th is the day the new SG album gets a full spin on the radio!
    
    	That first track they released just isn't getting enuff airtime!
    
    J

    So did anyone catch the "World Album Premier" last night?
    
    	It was wild! First off these guys are hilarious, and pretty much
    down to earth.
    
    The album is called "Down on the Upside" and the following are the only
    tunes, I was able to hear...
    
    Rhinosaur - A most excellent tune, alot like the Superunknown stuff!
    Burden in my Hand - Cool tune, actually sounds like a tune from LedZep.
    Never the Machine 4ever - Great track, very raunchy, kinda like 4th of
    			      July. Written by Kim Thayil (sp?)
    Blow up the Outside World - O.K., it sounds like a Beatles tune, a
    				little heavier, but you get the idea.
    Ty Cobb - missed this one!
    Dusty - Cool, didn't hear all of it.(soulmate cacklin' in my soundhole)
    Pretty Noose - The first release of the album, really really cool. I
    		   kept wahing up last night every 2 hours with one line in
    		   my head.
    
    Me thinks she's a keeper...limited vinyl copies on sale today, CD on
    sale on the 21st.  Get in line now!
    
    	J   

    For any of you intrested...
    
    	The new Down on the Upside has 16 tracks:
    
    1-Pretty Noose (4:12)      2-Rhinosaur (3:14)     3-Zero Chance (4:18)
    4-Dusty        (4:34)      5-Ty Cobb   (3:05)     6-Blow Up the Outside
    World          (5:46)      7-Burden in my Hand                  (4:50)
    8-Never Named  (2:28)      9-Applebite (5:10)     10-Never the Machine
    Forever        (3:36)     11-Tighter & Tighter                  (6:06)
    12-No Attention(4:27)     13-Switch Opens                       (3:53)
    14-Overfloater (5:09)     15-An Unkind (2:08)     16-Boot Camp  (2:59)
    
    Tracks that sound like they came from Super Unknown 1,2,3,4,7,8,9 & 10.
    "                                   " BMF           5,11,12 & 16.
    "                                   " LTL           6,13,14 & 15.
    
    So far only about half the album is really "Kick @$$" the rest are
    different and may need some getting used to.
    
    	J

    Cool, can't wait to hear it!

    Most of the heavy tracks sound like "ultramega" more than any of the 
    other albums.  

    Ultramega?  I've never heard of that album.

    RE: .226 
    
    Me neither...do you know something me and BARBER_A don't know?

    
    It is titled UltramegaOK and I have it. Early SG. It's ok...I prefer
    BMF for its noise anyways! Haven't gotten SU or the latest yet.
    
    I think it came out after/before Louder than Love.
    

    
    	Yes, it must have come out before or after "Louder Than Love".
    	That sure covers all the bases.
    
    	8^)
    

    You took the words right out of my mouth, Shawn.  8)
    
    UltramegaOK.  I wonder if you can buy it in stores, cuz I've never seen
    it.

    Cool & thanks, Ya really do learn something new every...How the hell
    does that go again?

    day?

    re. 231
    
    Ultramega OK should be available in record stores.  It is hard to find
    but it should be in their catalogs.  I have a copy, but I found it in a
    used CD bin about 4 years ago.  Also, I think it actually came out
    after Louder than Love but the recordings were done before that.
    
    Eric
    
    P.S.  If you haven't bought the new album yet, I definitely recommend
    it.  Another Soundgarden classic.

    I got it, but haven't listened to it yet.

    "Ultramega" is killer like the rest of them.
    

    
    	I picked up "Ultramega OK" at Newbury Comics in Shrewsbury the
    	other night.  However, I believe I got the last displayed copy,
    	so I can't guarantee that they have any more.
    
    	But that means it's at least partially available.  I probably
    	should have checked Strawberries in Westboro as well ... and if
    	THEY had it, you could almost be sure that any department store
    	[Rich's, Target] would also carry it.  8^)
    

    How does it compare to LtL, BMF, SU & DotU?
    	...or have you had a chance to spin it yet?
    
    It may be even slimmer pickins' up north...but I must find it..I MUST!

    I found it.

    
    	Haven't listened to it yet, and it's not scheduled at the top of
    	my list right at the moment.  I'll probably listen to that and
    	"Down on the Upside" back-to-back sometime within the next 1-2
    	weeks or so.
    

    Quick! Fax me a copy...oh wait a minute...scratch that last one!
    
    Maybe! I can drive down to...No...wait...Texas is way to far from here!
    
    I guess I'll have to check out CD Warehouse/HMV/Record Runner etc..
    
    [^:=

    
    <----- and when you get it, it goes to me.
    

	Does anybody listen to early SG, Screaming Life or Fopp, EP's that 
	come as one disc...Listen to their roots, you'll like them even more.

	/Cap'n Quad

    
    	Well, I moved "Ultramega OK" to the top of my listening list and
    	gave it a spin this morning.  All I can say is that it was OK.
    
    	A far cry from the recent releases in the way of production,
    	sound quality and processing, for sure.  Diverse selection of
    	songs.  Chris sounds like Chris, so you know it's him that's
    	doing the vocals ... and the band basically sounds the same.
    
    	I'd recommend it for Soundgarden fans, but right now I can't
    	say that I'd recommend it for anyone.
    

    Cool, thanks Slab!
    
    	I think I'll have to put'er on my "Got it Need it" list!
    
    		J

    
    I'll have to give UltramegaOK another listen to see if I still like it.
    I have BMF and like it, but haven't bothered to get SU or DOTUS yet.
    
    If/when I do I'll post it with my other discs I am looking to offload.
    
    

    SoundGardens new one (DotUS) entered the charts (U.S. Billboard 200) 
    at #2 in it's first week!
    
    FYI
    
    	J

    Listened to parts of DotUS this morning on the way in.  Vintage stuff!!

    RE: .248
    What are your favorite new tracks on this new one?
    
    Mine have got to be...Pretty Noose - excelent pick for the first
    release.  Rhinosaur - Cool tune!  Dusty - Freakin' cool tune!
    Ty Cobb - Wild tune (kinda like face polution)!  Never the Machine
    4ever - Kim Thayil * What else can I say?
    
    The rest I'm still tryin to get used to...

    Can't answer that yet.  I haven't even opened the jewel box except to
    remove the CD for the 1st time.

    
    
    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
    
    Cool, I just upgraded my Comp. headphones to go to 11 with Bass and 
    treble adjustments with Badmotorfinger blasting. Now everyone's looking
    over the petition wondering where the music and pencil drummings
    comming from..........      Cool.....   
    
    							Dawg~~~~~

    
    Hey J,
    
    Tanx for the tip, dude.  Picked up DotUS on Friday and put'er through
    for a quick spin.....pretty decent.  So far I gotta say that my fave's
    have gotta be Pretty Noose, Blow Up the Outside World and Ty Cobb...
    But that's only on the first listen, we'll see what more exposure
    brings.
    
    Cya,
    Rick

    Why am I obsessed with Chris Cornell?  Why have I been downloading
    pictures all day?  Why did he have to cut his hair?

    
    	And, most importantly, why do you think we'd be able to answer
    	any of that??
    

    'pril, you can stroke my long locks anytime.
    -ss

    Oh no....
    
    Now you've gone and gotten Rachel all excited!  She wants in on the
    action too.  8)
    
    Paully
    

    Thanks, but you and Lyle can keep that thing to yourselves.

    I'll have no part of back-door Rachel.
    -ss

    I believe the correct term is "INMATE SHOWER-TOY" Rachel
    
    Paully 8)
    

    
    EPPERSON!!!
    Long time no hear from.....
    
    Lets keep it that way shall we. 8)
    
    Dave

    Doubtful. In the words of the great G_Carlson, "I`m like herpes".
    I`ll keep coming back `til the day I leave this place. Which is only
    a couple of months. I`ll miss you guys soooooooooooooooooooooo much.
    Where will I be able to talk about killer bands like Type O Negative,
    Poison, Vince Neil, Warrant, Kiss, Van Halen, etc. I don`t know how
    I`m going to handle it.

    
    8))))
    

    
    re:Paulla
    
    If you're gonna jump in on this little game,
    at least get the name right.....'k dude.
    
    It's Rachelle, not Rachel.
    
    Oh and Epperson, buddy.....I don't think you could
    handle this thing.  So step off punky=)
    
    Buhbye

         Rachelle...... sounds kinda sexy. That is, if it's a woman. It is
    a woman, isn't it? Isn't it?!?
         But back to Soundgarden - I heard they're starting a tour in
    August. Anyone know anything more? 

    re LARABIE
    
          Who in the hell are you anyway pal? I don`t think you want to 
       play this game with me. Sign off before you get your feelings
       hurt.

    
    Thanks for comin out!!!!

         Please note the topic is titled "Soundgarden", not "kindergarden".
    Now put something in about the band or go to the whining topic. 

    Sorry Ed. It`s sometimes hard to avoid the freaks on the tube this late
    at night. Some people sign on just to play childish games.

    
    re: -1
    Ya man, you're the King at that!!
    
    re: .264
    Ed,
    Here in the Great White North, Molson Breweries is sponsering a contest
    on radio stations throughout Canada where you win tickets to see a band
    play in a small club somewhere in the country. The kicker is you don't
    know which band until they walk on stage. Two weeks ago, in Vancouver,
    Soundgarden was the band. This past weekend it was Metallica.
    Other than that, and that Soundgarden is in Lallapolooza(sp), I don't
    know if they are touring by themselves. 
    When they do come near here, IF they come near here, I'll be getting my
    tickets. (unless Smilin' Jack gets them first!!)
    
    Dave
    

         Those Canadians get all the lucky breaks! Probably because the far
    north has the most tolerable climate at this time of the year...
    

    
    Not to mention the 16 tix Davey won to the Molson Canadian Wall of
    Rock.  Three bands playing: I Mother Earth, Our lady Peace and The
    Barstool Prophets.
    
    Talk about lucky.

    RE -1
    
    I WILL BE THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the beer will be
    flowing.  
    
    Just hook me up to an IV an start the beer flowing..........and don't
    stop.
    
    P
     

    Pril.. Way back...
    
    Same here.. I miss his beautiful hair! (sigh)
    
    SueJ
    

    
    	As most of you know, last weekend I went to Vince Neil in Toronto.
    I was also suppose to go to Lallapuluza (sp) in Quebec City on the
    Sunday. But due to partyin' at Vince Neil til 4 am on Saturday,
    I couldn't make the 8 hr drive to Quebec City for Sunday night (and
    besides I had a passenger to bring back to Ottawa, and I couldn't
    get the Monday off) Anyhow, my buddies went to Quebec on the Saturday.
    One of my friends plays in the NHL (Scott Pearson - Just signed
    by the Toronto Maple Leafs - Monday) Scott is a huge metal-head,
    and he use to play in Quebec. Anyhow they were partying in a bar
    and had heard of a Metallica cover-band playing in another bar.
    So Scott went up to this guy, and asked him in french, if he knew
    where this other bar was. The replied he didn't speak french, so
    Scott told him, he was english too. It turns out the guy is
    Soundgardens tour-manager, he was there with the drummer and Guitarist
    from S.G. So they are all partyin, go to the other bar, party some
    more, then Scott takes these guys to Quebec's best Bar "Chez Daigot
    Bear" (sp) At the end of the night the guy says, I'll leave all
    you guys back-stage passes for tomorrow night...
    
    	So Sunday Night, Pearson and the other guys get their backstage
    passes, meet up with the tour-guy again and they got to sit right
    on stage and watch S.G. After S.G's set, they went back and partied
    drinking beer, JD, eating and just hanging out with the band. Then
    the guys from Metallica came in about 5 minutes before their show
    and told Scott and the guys to come on out for their show too. So
    the guys from S.G. gave them a ton of beers and JD to take with
    them. They sat on stage with Metallica too, and the guys were talking
    to them in between songs etc. And again after the Metallica set,
    they went backstage and partied with all the bands...Scott said
    it was unbelievable...
    
    	Mind you Scott has partied with a bunch of Metalers, he was
    at Dio's castle in LA, Dio's drummer came to Scotts house in Cornwall,
    Cinderella's drummer is a friend (when Arcade played in Quebec,
    he wore Scott's hockey jersey on stage), he knows Ozzy's tour-manager
    and White Zombie's tour-manager and Scott also set up my tickets
    to see Kiss here in Ottawa. His list of Metal-Connections just keeps
    growning and growing...Again, he said it was unbelievable, and the
    guys had an awesome time...And I was "suppose" to be there...Oh
    well, I had the best time at the Vince Neil show...
    
    	Bobby T

    
    -1  Boy, am I jealous...

    
    	Please, Buck, tell us again about your dinner date with Bon
    	Jovi.  8^)
    

    
    	Re .275
    
    Hey, I'm just passin on a Metal-Related story, if I wanted to make
    you jealous, I'd stand next to you at a urinal...*))
    
    	Bobby T
    

    Re: -1
    
    don't you know the cardinal rule of using the urinals!  always look
    straight ahead...don't turn in the direction of the other people takin
    a leak.  
    
    Shane, who is reminded of the 'hey man, nice penis' skit on SNL...
    'thanks...' 'yeah people say I've got my father's penis'....'so how's
    your penis ?'

    Don't you mean Nuno, GTI?
    
    8^)

    Shane,
    
    Reminds me of this mens rooms back in the old MLO facility...Written
    high above the urinal in small letters was a note saying "stop looking
    up here, you're pissin on the wall!"
    
    8^)

    Re: -1
    
    haha...yeah did you ever see Eddie Murphy's standup where he's talkin
    about what Richard Pryer told him ?  Richard Pryer was takin a leak
    at the urinal.  Some clown takin a leak next to him glanced over and
    recognized that is was Richard Pryer, was so excited that he turned 
    around to shake his hand and said 'hey your Richard Pryer'.  Then I 
    think Richard said...'yeah...and your pissin all over my leg a**hole'
    
    Shane, who's goin home now

     I went to Lollapalooza July 10, and I thought that Soundgarden was
    incredible. Chris Cornell's voice was extremely powerful. When they
    played Jesus Christ Posse, I was amazed at the intensity of his voice 
    I definitly suggest seeing them if you get a chance. If you are a
    musician at all you will quickly realize the talent Chris Cornell
    posesses. The only problem with the concert was that the crowd was out
    of control. I had to hold my girlfriend the whole time so she didn't
    get beaten or lost.
    
                                                 JIM
    

    SORRY, Lollapalooza was July 9, I was thinking about my birthday which
    was the tenth.      
    
    
    					JIM
    

    Who exactly was in Jesus Christ's POSSE???
    
    Paully 8)
    

    
    I wasn't that impressed wiht them when I saw them in Vermont
    
    
    						ian

    
    	BTW, found another Soundgarden CD ... "Screaming Life/Fopp".
    
    	Recorded in '87 or so, I think.  Haven't listened to it yet,
    	so I have no idea how good it is.
    

	Duuuuuuuuuuuhhh, I told you about Screaming Life/Fopp back in .243

	/CQ

    Really, Shawn.
    
    Duuuuuuuuuhhh!

    
    	Well, you see, I said I found it.  I didn't say I discovered it,
    	nor did I say I invented it ... I said I found it.
    

Shawn can't even remember what he's bought so how's he going to remember what
you told him?

Tim

    
    	Hey, I've only bought about 8 duplicates in the last 1-2 years,
    	and that's a relatively small #.  8^)
    
    	Does anybody want to buy:
    
    	"Dead Winter Dead" - Savatage
    	"Fireball Zone" - Ric Ocasek
    	"Rat Race" - Child's Play
    	"Project" - Planet P
    
    	I think I gave most of the other duplicates to Steve Grenier.
    
    	8^)
    

    	Anybody hear about the guitarist, slappin some chick who tried
    to take a photo. He was charged, and held in jail for a few (6hrs)
    hours. Don't know all the details, but there was something to do
    with either her or his mother aswell...Can someone give us more
    "scoopin's"...
    
    	Bobby T

    I think that was here in Redneck Land (the Carolinas) at the
    Lollapoloser thing. I saw a piece on the local news but I didn't pay
    much attention ... I think it said he got out on $25,000 bond.
    
    Great way to treat a fan, huh? Of course, I've met a few of the local
    yokels who were obnoxious enough to probably deserver a good slap. ;-)
    
    

    Can't be as bad as our Prime Minister choking another face in the
    crowd!   He got away with it...why won't Soundgarden?  [^8=
    
    

    
    	"Get on the Snake" is on the "Lost Angels" soundtrack.
    
    	And that's a great movie if you want to stare at Amy Locane
    	for the better part of an hour and a half.
    

    	Anybody want to get rid of a copy of Badmotorfinger - SOMMES
    version with the extra CD.  Been looking all over and can't find it. 
    I'll definitely pay top dollar for it.
    
    Thanx,
    Eric
    [email protected]
    SCOMAN::EMCGREW

    Anyone see the video for "Burden in my Hand" ?
    
    Pretty cool I thought, and it's of course very fitting for the tune,
    kinda creepy at times too!
    
    	J

    
    Yup, cool vid.
    And it is kinda creepy.....
    

    So I'm listening to the radio and I hear that SOUNDGARDEN has broken
    up!
    
    	This sucks!  By far one of the most talented bands out there, let
    alone Seattle. (IMHO) I knew there were problems with Chris Cornell not
    liking where the band was heading, musically that is.  So I had a bad
    feeling about this happening.  
    
    	J

    
    That's what I heard also.....the radio said the split was amicable,
    which is probably not true because I heard a while back that
    they were having problems.
    
    Too bad - they were damn good.
    
    
    CF

    	This is the first I've heard of this.  This completely ruins my
    whole day.  They are my favorite band by far.  This really does suck. 
    I'm gona do some research today to see if I can find any sort of
    confirmation.

    
    here is your confimation....
    
    
    they have broken up,my buddy Kurt Loader told me last night and Kurt
    doesnt lie! 
    
    
    					ian

    
    ian and KL buddies? Now there is a pair! ;-)  I heard this yesterday
    and it was confirmed this morning on WAAF, saying the split was
    amicable. I have heard otherwise to the latter part of that statement.
    From what I heard Chris wasn't happy with the way the band was heading
    (or did I hear this in here yesterday some time??).
    
    Anyways, dats all folks!
    
    

    I think I may have mentioned that thing about Chris, Mike.  I read that
    on the web over a year ago...I feared the worst and it happened.
    
    But that means is that they will likely hook up with other
    solo's/broken groups/newbies and create more stuff, right?
    
    It won't be Soundgarden though.
    
    	J

All they need is Chris.  He is the band.  He writes and is their distinctive
sound.  The rest of them just latched on for the ride.

    Now Give Some Credit to The Other Band_Members,Tim.
    
     Yeah..There was A Big Press_Gatherin With All The BAnd Members There.
    
    
       Crazy_Reuion_In_10_Years_Al

    Ya, I gotta agree with Crazy_Al.
    
    	Kim Thayil is a wicked guitarist.  Ben Sheppard is a cool bassist.
    And Matt Cameron is terrific drummer.  
    
    The four of them together were Soundgarden, neither one of them as an
    individual.  Chris did write the majority of their material, but the
    rest of the band was kickin' in towards the end.  
    
    	Gawd Bless Mommy and Daddy and Soundgarden!
    
    		J

    
    Yup, did you hear Kurt mention something to the extent of..
    
    "with the early 90's grunge scene coming to an end..."
    
    ---good deal.