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    Such taste...
    
    I don't think I can manage a full discography of the Doors (I'm still
    recovering from the Hawkwind one) but I reckon that these are the
    _essential_ Doors albums - if you're going to buy any buy these:
    
    			The Doors
    			Waiting for the Sun
    			L.A. Woman
    			Strange Days
    			Morrison Hotel
    
    Paul
    ---- who wishes he could remember who he lent Morrison Hotel to.

    
    	The Doors got the name frome an Aldous Huxley book called
    	
    	The Doors of Perception.
    
    	Neal
    

    Flip, I was totally into the Doors in high school. 
    Every once in a while I'll pull out an album and they still
    blow me away.
    	This band has a kind of mystical quality, hard to explain the
    effect the Doors have on people. 
    	Sounds like you've read "No One Here Gets Out Alive" by 
    Daniel Sugarman, or if you haven't, you definitely should to 
    get a real idea of the kind of life Jim Morrison had, and the
    way things were in that era.
    	I have 
    		13
    		Morrison Hotel
    		The Doors
    		Strange Days
    and a couple others I can't remember, I haven't been into them
    for about 7 years now.
    
    /Motorbreath...always wanted to buy Weird Scenes Inside the Goldmine
    but never did

    
    re PRC
    
    Why did you laugh in her face?
    
    Flip

    The Doors bring back many memories of old Assabet Valley Reg. Voc.
    Tech HS !  I really got(get) off on The Doors.  I don't listen to
    them much anymore, but I used to ALL the time.
    
    Check out a tune called "The End".  It was the theme for Apocolypse
    Now.  Pretty appropriate if you ask me...
    
    jc (Always a Morrison fan...He isn't dead IMHO)

    RE: "The Doors of Perception" by Aldous Huxley...
    
    	Is a pretty far out book.  There's like thirty pages of Aldous
    describing a flower while doing peyote or mescaline or something.
    It's pretty funny and interesting too.
    
    	"Weird Scenes Inside The Goldmine" is a great album.  It's got
    a lot of tunes on it (double album) some of which are re-releases
    from previous albums and some of which are not on any other albums.
    
    I used to have it on tape, but that was many moons ago.  Now that
    I think of it, I'll have to go out and buy it (this time on CD!!).
    A truly classic album.  My personal belief is that The Doors' music
    is what drove Charles Manson, not The Beatles.  I know that we used
    to really freak on The Doors back in high school (sometime in the
    Middle Ages ;^)
    
    	joe.

    In one of The Doors' songs, Jim repeats the line, "The blue bus
    is calling us."  I always took that to be a reference to the bus
    that Neal Cassidy drove around during the Acid Test days.
    
    joe.

    
    Does anyone knw the details of "The Phantom's Divine Comedy"?
    
    Flip

    Do you Doors fans still think Jim is alive?
    
    It's killing me wondering.  I think he might still be in Europe
    somewhere, although I think it would be too hard for him to pull it
    off.
    
    Steve

    
    You have to remember that only two people said that they saw the body -
    and they were both French Policeman......his common-law wife (who is
    now dead - ODed on heroin) did not and  presented the media with a sealed
    casket.
    
    Then there was that album "The Phantom's Divine Comedy" with the
    musician's being "MIJ" and "X, Y and Z"...the guy sure did sound like
    Morrison....and wasn't there that song Mr Mojo Risin.
    
    I think he is still alive.
    
    Flip

    
    Morrission was the type of person who would have staged his death
    and then retire from the public eye.
    
    	Has anyone heard of the movie in production that centers around
    the theory that Morrisson, along with Janis Joplin and Jimi Hendrix,
    did not actually commit suicide but were instaed murdered because
    of their political influence?
    	There is supposed evidence that Jimmy Hendrix was alive and
    stabilized when he entered the ambulance that took him to the hospital.
    Apparently the medic who accompanied him in the back seat smothered
    him to death with a pillow.
    
    sean
    
    

    RE: Joe and The Blue Bus...
    
    I don't know much about the Acid Tests (other than what most DeadHeads
    know), but I always thought the Blue Bus was the blue bus that new
    recruits rode thru the gates of Ft Dix and other recruit depots...
    Yike!
    
    I figure if anyone could've staged his own death and not gone nutz,
    it would've been Morrison.  He was a wild man before his time.
    
    jc
    

    Hey all you Doors-heads out there, here's another bit of useless
    b*llsh*t guaranteed to give you the creeps (if you don't already
    know about it)...
    
    The line from L.A. Woman, "Mr. Mojo Risin'"  Know that one?  Well,
    if you rearrange the letters, it spells Jim Morrison.  Like whoa
    dude, freak me out y'know?  I mean totally...
    
    Now whenever I hear that song, it's sort of spookier...
    
    joe ("motel, money, murder, madness).

    He's dead.
    
    People that knew him/met him before his end said that the 
    man was on his last leg, mentally and physically.
    He supposedly chain-smoked cigarettes, sucking on them as 
    if he were trying to kill himself, he looked horrible, and
    the amount of drugs he supposedly ingested was staggering.
    His voice was very rough and hoarse, and he looked horrible.
    
    He lived two lifetimes in his short one, IMO.
    
    There's no doubt in my mind that he's cold dead.
    
    /Motorbreath...it's a romantic notion to hold onto, but he's with
    Elvis now.

    Yeah Joe that's an anagram. Isn't that what those things are called?
    
    I'm sure he knew what it was.
    
    /Motorbreath...who doesn't find anything spooky about THe Doors/J.M.
    except his haunting voice, and tunes like The End.

    
    
    Discography:
    
      Absolutely Live
      Wierd Scenes From Inside The GoldMine
      Greatest Hits
      Best Of...
      LA Woman
      Morrison Hotel
      Waiting For The Sun
      An American Prayer
      Classics
      Live At The Hollywood Bowl
      The Soft Parade
      Strange Days
      Star Collection, Volumes 1 & 2
    
    That's about all I can think of... feel free to add whatever I may have
    missed.   I've been into the doors forever.... my favorite album is
    Absolutely Live.. I love Celebration Of The Lizard... glad to see
    someone opened this topic!!!!!!
    
    - Angela.

    
    Re: Mr. Mojo Risin
    
    This was an intentional thing. Morrison used to regularly book into
    hotels and the like under the name.
    
    Paul
    ----

    ah. the Soft Parade and Waiting for the Sun... THOSE were
    the other Doors albums I had! Thanks for the discography Angela!
    
    /Moboreathen

    I didn't mean to insinuate that Jim did the anagram thing unknowingly,
    what I meant was that I never knew about it until a year or two
    ago.
    
    joe (let me sleep all night in your soul kitchen)
    

    
    The Doors are great, and I wish some new singer would come along with
    the deep voice of Morrison...
    
    Jim Morrison's life story is becoming a movie based on Sugarman's 
    "No One Here Gets Out Alive." Supposedly, Val Kilmer (Iceman in "Top
    Gun") is playing Morrison... and Ray Manzarek is involved in the
    production. I'm not sure Kilmer is a good choice, but who knows??
    
    A buddy of mine and myself used to listen to the Doors all through High
    School. We bought all their albums and read any material we could find. 
    I used to think he staged his death, but I'm sure he's dead and with
    Elvis now.
    
    "Let's swim to the moon, let's climb through the tide,
     surrender to the waiting world, that laps against our side..."
     Moonlight Drive
    
    "...out here on the perimeter there are no stars,
        out here - we is stoned, immaculate..."
    Texas Radio With The Big Beat
    
    "...the future's uncertain, but the end is always near..."
    Roadhouse Blues
    
    "...five-to-one baby, one-in-five, No one here gets out alive..."
    Five To One
    
    "...take it easy baby, take it as it comes,
        don't move too fast, 'cause you want your life to last,
        and you've been moving much too fast..."
    Take It Easy Baby
    
    "...her arms are wicked, and her legs are long,
        when she moves, my brain screams out this song..."
    Hello, I Love You
    
                 ------------------------------
    
    Night_Prowler  (who just had to put down some of Jim's lyrics)

    Actually, I saw apic of Kilmer next to Morrison...  With long
    hair and a little makeup (druggie-white ;) He might look a lot
    like Morrison...  We'll see, We'll see.
    
    jc

    
    I think there's a lot of Jim Morrison in Ian Astbury from The Cult. 
    Both in their performances and singing.
    
    Steve

    Nah...
    the dude from the Lost Boys (who is also in the running for the
    part in the movies about Jim and Co.) looks a lot like J.M.
    as well as Harry Hamlin.
    
    If you want to hear someone that sings like Jim Morrison, check
    out Glenn Danzig's new band DANZIG.
    Not only are they the best horror-movie-metal band in existence,
    Glenn also sounds a LOT like Jim Morrison.
    
    /Motorbreath

                I hear  Jim  Morrison  when  I  hear  Billy  Idol
                myself.    I    also  think  this  is  the  wrong
                conference  for  The  Doors,  but  who  asked  me
                anyway??
                
                +), Rob
                
                

    As one might figure from Flips lead-in in the base note, I am a big
    Doors fan!  Absolutely (live) one of my favorite groups of all time. 
    
    re: Flip
    
    You asked which album you should get next?  DEFINATELY get the first
    Doors album if you don't have it.  I think the early material is much
    better then the later (like LA Woman, which I love).  The first album
    (self titled) is most peoples choice for the best Doors.  
    
    The one I'd get after that is "Morrison Hotel".  "Waiting for the Sun"
    would also be a good choice.
    
    I tend to not like "best of" collections, but 13 is pretty good.
    
    As far as favorite songs, I'd say that some of my favorites are "When
    the Music's Over", "Celebration of the Lizard" (both the full version
    on Absolutely Live and the abbreviated studio version called "Not to
    Touch the Earth"), their cover of John Lee Hookers "Crawlin' King
    Snake" (one of the best I've ever heard), "Backdoor Man", "Five to
    One", "The End" (of course), "Peace Frog"...
    
    I could go on and on.  I think that's enough to tell where my tastes
    lie.
    
    re: .11  "the blue bus" (from "The End")
    
    I always wondered what this line ment until I was in LA once and was
    riding public transit (you got it, the bus) around the Venice Beach
    area (where Morrison/the Doors lived when that was written).  The bus
    lines there are color coded...
    
    gh (who rode the blue bus, just for Jim)
                                 

    re: Rob
    
    Wrong conference?  I'd disagree since there are 29 notes prior to yours
    that showed genuine interest in the band.  If there's interest in
    discussing them, then it's appropriate for this conference IMO.
    
    I never noticed Billy Joel sounding like Jim Morrison either, but I'll
    listen for it when I hear him the next time.
    
    Greg

    
    	i saw on mtv news at night that there are going to be 2 movies
    out about the doors????  Are they being directed by that Oliver
    guy who did Platoon?  

    re: recommendations
    
    I was thinking about this again this weekend, and I think that for a
    first choice, the first album and next would be either "Waiting for the
    Sun" or "Strange Days".
    
    I heard Billy Joel this week too and I did't think he sounded at all
    like Morrison.
    
    Greg

    
    Ummmmm, Greg, no-one said he sounded like Billy Joel!
    
    Ummmmm, Rob said he sounded like Billy Idol!
    
    sigh.
    
    Flip

    re: Flip
    
    Right you are!  I must be completely stupid!
    
    I could actually see it with Billy Idol.  
    
    gh (no WONDER I was so confused)

    I know it's in here somewhere, but what is the best Doors album.  I'm
    ashamed to say I don't have one, so I need your help.
    
    Thanks,
    Steve

    Go for their first (self titled) LP.
    
    It's got some GREAT tunes on it !
    
    jc

    
    	Just wimp out and get their greatest hits album.
    
    	That's what I did.
    
    							GTI
    

    "Weird Scenes Inside The Goldmine" is their best album (IMO).
    
    Supposedly, the cover of "Strange Days" was shot in MacDougal
    Alley, Greenwich Village, NYC.  I went there once to see for myself
    and it looks like it could be, but...???
    
    It's not too far from Electric Lady Studios.
    
    	joe.

    WSITGM is a very cool album.  I'll second Joe's opinion.
    
    jc

    re: Joe
    
    You set up the trip (and pay my airfare, naturally) and we'll go hit LA
    and ride the blue bus!
    
    I'd still say the first album is the best.  Been awhile since I heard
    Wierd Scenes.. though.  Absolutely Live is pretty cool too.
    
    gh

    But I don't want to go to L.A., I want to go to CXO.
    
    I heard a great live version of "Light My Fire" the other day.
    It sure must have been something to see The Doors live...
    
    joe.

    I'm at CX0 and I want to go to L.A.

    
    Another vote for "Wierd Scenes Inside The Gold Mine".
    
    "I tell you this, no eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the
    dawn..."
    
    
    Night_Prowler
    

    Another Doors note, this is GREAT! My favorite all time band.
    There will never be another Morrison. If you had ever seen 
    Morrison and The Doors live I don't think you could really compare
    Ian Astbury along with him (Morrison). I saw The Doors 3 times,
    I've heard alot of horror stories about there concerts,but the
    ones I saw were great! Intense. As far as a favorite album, I 
    have a hard time picking one, but I'd say the first - freshest
    sounding IMO. But, buy them all! They're definetely worth the $$$.
     I have the "Phantom's Divine Comedy" album. There's one song in
    particullar that the singer sounds "just" like Morrison. At the
    start of the song there's a speaking part, guy sounds just like
    Morrison even talking. IMO the album's a roos - in between each
    song there's a little part of a poem (recorded backwards0 and if
    you spin the album backwords all the litte parts end up making one
    whole poem. I used to have what it was written down - all I can
    remember is that it's about a guy getting "possesed' by his image
    (Morrison?) and not being able to conrol himself until final self
    destruction. Hmmm. Interesting.         
      Unfortunately, aside from the one song, there aren't too many
    places on the album where the guy does sound like Morrison. A
    couple, but not many. Then there are the album credits - 
     singer: Mij and Ergg Toirted(?), bass: X, drums: Y, piano: Z.
    I forget the name of the studio. In an interview with Manzarek,
    I heard him bring the person doing the interviewing bring up the
    album. Manzarek was aware (as were the rest of the Doors) of the
    album, and more or less, shrugged it off, saying something like
    "it was a hoax". He also wished the rumours of Jim still being alive
    were true, but he's convinced (at least publicy) that Morrison's
    dead. He also said the only one who would know for sure would have
    been Susan (Morrison), but that she took that to the grave.
     Other than the full discography of Doors albums, I have a few boots,
    one of which is a Doors "concert" recorded in a gymnasium at 
    Danburry High School in Conn. in 1967. Wow! The Doors at a High
    school - what a trip that must have been!
    
      Steve S.        
      

    Re. 127.44 -- I agree absolutely.  Whenever I hear a Doors song
    or see a tape of them, I still become mesmerized.  What I would
    not have given to see them live, even though Morrison "died" when
    I was only seven, too young to have appreciated them.  I have to
    settle for the albums and tapes of their concerts.
    
    However, I hear there's a Doors movie finally coming out.  If it's
    anything like Sugarman's book "No One Here Gets Out Alive," it should
    be fantastic, but of course, it will depend on the acting.  Val
    Kilmer, of "Willow" is playing Morrison.  He could look the part,
    with some help from make-up and hair, but it's his acting I worry
    about.  Let's face it, in order to do Morrison justice, the part
    has to be played just right.
    
    As far as whether or not I believe Morrison is dead, I would have
    to say "yes," as much as we all don't want to believe it.  The photos
    taken of him during his last days in Paris show him looking awful--
    pale, bloated, tired, worn out -- and considering the abuse his
    body went through, packing probably 80 years of living in 27, I
    would say it finally caught up with him.
    
    Then again, he would definitely be one to pull off a fake death,
    but after nearly 20 years, SOMEONE would have found him.  But like
    Elvis, we should let him go...

    
    	re: .45
    	
    	Yeah, I would have to agree also that Jim is history.  Jim 
    	would want people to drive themselves crazy thinking he was
    	alive long after he died (it's worked, too!).  I'm surprised
    	that no one has been crazy enough to dig up the grave and
    	check out the coffin to confirm/relinquish any doubts...
    	You have to wonder though after all suggestions of pulling
    	off a fake death to increase record sales, the Mr. Mojo Risin'
    	contact name he said he'd assume when he split to Africa for
    	good and his fascination with the poet Rimbaud who had done
    	all his work by age 20 or so and then left for Africa, never
    	to be seen again.  8^) 
    
    	BTW, .44 said his "wife's" name was Susan?  Actually her name
    	was Pamela Courson and if I remember correctly, they weren't
    	LEGALLY married.  It was an unofficial type of ritual.   Someone
    	correct me if I'm wrong.  
    
    sean

    Re: .46
    
    I think Jim Morrison and Pamela Courson were legally married after
    many years of on-again/off-again live-ins.  
    
    I'm also surprised no one has been crazy to dig up the grave either.
    Hope no one gets any ideas.

    re.46
    
      Yeah, I OOPsed - his wife's name was Pamela. Thanks for correcting
    me. Did anyone out there know that many of the songs Morrison wrote
    were written for or about Pamela. Love Street in particullar - it
    was about a store down the street from where she lived.

    Latest update on the "Doors" movie -- It is currently shooting with
    Oliver Stone (Platoon) as director.  Besides Val Kilmer as Jim
    Morrison, it also stars Billy Idol.  The bad news is production
    is being delayed because of Idol's recent motor cycle accident.
    My guess is the movie will be released around Christmas time.
    
    One thing I can say for sure is that if Oliver Stone is directing,
    it will not be "just a typical flick about a dead rock star."  Stone
    will, in my opinion, present a realistic, accurate and well done
    film on Morrison and the Doors.  After all, no fictionial account
    of Jim's life could stand a chance in hell against the real thing.
    His real life rivals that of any fictional biography.  Like they
    say -- truth is stranger than fiction, and in this case, it's also
    much more interesting.

    	Who is Idol portraying in the movie anyway?   This movie is
    	definitely going to be a must see.  They couldn't have gotten
    	a better director, IMO.
    
    	I'm interested in seeing how much this movie will agree/contradict
    	with Sugarman's/Hopkin's bio?   I'm also wondering if it will
    	focus a little bit more on the lives of the other Doors members...
    
    	Oh, one more question.  Is the movie called "The Doors"?  Seems
    	to me Stone could come up with a better name than that.  Thanks
    	again for the update.
    
    sean

    I think Idol is portraying the part of Tom Baker, who was Jim's
    best drinking buddy.  Yes, the same Tom Baker of Dr. Who fame. 
    I wonder why they didn't chose the real Tom Baker?  He's still
    around.  I get a little nervous about Billy Idol's acting ability...
    But, Oliver Stone should whip him into shape.
    
    The title "The Doors" is tentative, as these things usually are.
    It may change before final release but as it stands, that is the
    title.
    
    I'm trying to dig up who else is in the movie and exactly how much
    it will focus on the other Doors.  More than likely, it will mainly
    be about Morrison as was the Hopkins/Sugarman bio.
    
    I still can't wait to see it.........

    .51�                     -< Has Billy Idol ever acted before? >-
    
    	Of course! He a singer! :*)
    
    B.A.

    
    RE:	Of course! He a singer! :*)
    
    Really?!?!?!?!?  ;^>
    
    J-Dot

    
    
      I only have two things to say:
    
                        1) IT HAD BETTER BE GOOD!
                        2) they should have gotten the guy from
                           Lost Boys to play Morrison 

    heard on MtV News Billy's part has been changed to that of a Director
    who did some work with the Doors         
    
    tOe

    
     Let me get this straight - the guy that plays the detective on
    Twin Peaks is the one they signed to play Morrison???  I refuse
    to believe it, the guy looks nothing like Morrison!

    
    
    	I thought Val Kilmer was given the role of Morrison.
    	I haven't watched Twin Peaks to know if it's the same
    	guy - but I wouldn't think it was.
    
    	?!?
    	
    	Tigga~~~

    
    	As far as I know Val Kilmer isn't on Twin Peaks.....
    

    Val Kilmer IS playing Morrison.  To give you an idea of his physical
    resemblance to Jim, check out the movie "Willow."  
    
    I haven't been able to confirm it, but Kyle McLachlan is probably
    playing John Densmore.  McLachlan has starred in "Dune", "Blue Velvet",
    and "The Hidden."
    
    I hope their acting is better than those movies I mentioned.

    
     re. last few -
    
       Thanks for helping me out  - I was going into cardiac arrest
    at the thought of the Twin peaks guy playing Morrison. WHEW!!!
    

    Survey says:
    
    		BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!
    
    
    	I think Idol's rendition bites the bone.  He owes fans of
    	the Doors an appology.  To think I used to like him......

    
    Personally I think Billy Idol should be dragged behind a car at a high
    rate of speed for many miles for covering LA Woman.  Hearing that on
    the radio rilly made me ILL.  LA Woman is a sacred song - Jim's farwell
    to Los Angeles.  No one but Jim Morrison should sing that song with the
    Mr. Mojo Risin in it and all.  
    
    "Well, I've been down so god damn long - why don't all you people set
    me free"
    
    
    -Jerry

    Gawd, all you Doors fans b!tch!ng about Idol's cover...like 
    Morrison himself was a god or something?!  Get real....the doors
    had their flaws, and I think that Idol's remake holds a lot of weight
    in the creativity dept.  I think Idol's groove is much hipper than
    the original!!

    
    	RE.63
    	I hear ya Buck. 
    	For some reason, people always get upset over sh*t like that.
    It's a good cover. Take it for what it's worth: a COVER. 
    
    If you were around when The Doors were "alive" you probably wouldn't
    have such a high amount of respect for him. (basically a waste product
    hell-bent on self-destruction, as well as large amount of his
    concerts S*CKING because he was so screwed up).
    	I'm a Doors fan.. I like the cover.
    
    /M

    Re. 63:
    
    If Billy Idol has so much creativity, why did he have to remake
    (or more accurately, BUTCHER) someone else's song?
    
    Morrison is doing 360 degree turns in his grave....
    
    Idol's version sounds like a recording made in a hospital
    emergency room, with the patient in convulsions after consuming
    a bottle of turpentine.

    
    IMHO - I was hoping that LA Woman would never become "hip" but hey if
    that is what you are into at least you have some joker (Billy Idol) to
    give it to ya.  I guess it is anything to make a buck and as long as
    there are people to buy these sh*t covers then the "artists" will
    continue to leach other peoples talent.

    	He's doing the cover because he's a Doors fan, and because
    he's in a movie about Morrison.
    	You guys show a lot of maturity. 
    	Idol covers ONE song, and he's suddenly out of creativity.
    I get a kick out of that one.
    	That means that Morrison had no creativity in covering
    the (excuse me while I laugh in your face) sacred song GLORIA?!
    And didn't he also cover some "hope it'll never be hip" blues
    tunes?
    
    	/Motorbreath

    I am a firm believer that covers CAN be artistic.  Listen to a few
    arrangements of other people's tunes...you don't have to wimp out like
    Great White did with that Mott the Hoople cover (almost an exact
    cover).
    
    It's def. NOT a cop-out iMHO.

    
    re .64
    
    All Morrison tried to do was to "break on thru to the other side" -
    "penetrate the evening that the city sleeps to hide".  He was an
    intelligent man who had the gift of words.  I guess if you look at
    Morrison from a superficial view out the tinted windows of your BMW
    then he was a "waste product" but if you take into the account the
    times he lived in - he was simply prescribing to the "Mind at Large"
    theory from the book The Doors of Perception.  It was his trip.

    re.69
    	wow man. I worshipped Morrison as a high-schooler but
    still I look at him through the windows of my '85 Scirocco
    as what he was: an artistic person who just happened to also be
    a waste product. 
    	I don't think you'd see Jim getting all upset about his song
    being covered so many years after his death. It does nothing but
    attract more people to the Doors, and to his work.
    	
    
    /Motorbreath... I honestly think he'd laugh at your opinion of him
    	were he alive.

    Jesus Crow! Will all of you just drop it! Everyones entitled to their
    own opinion. No one is right and no one is wrong. 
    
    Bill

    	I'm in full agreement with /Motorbreath on this one.  When I
    heard Billy Idol was making a cover of "L.A. Women" I said, "Cool,
    can't wait to hear it".  I think that, if anything, his remake is
    a tribute to Jim.  He's not trying to pass it off as his own in
    any way.
    
    	BTW, I'm a big Doors fan and wasn't really too keen on Idol
    until I heard his latest album.
    
    sean

    re.71
    	What's wrong with discussion that isn't smothered with
    8^)'s???
    	Relax Bill, it was a good discussion about a range of issues.
    
    /Motorbreath...

    re 71
    AHHHHHHHHHHH What ever. I was just doing it to say ::Lawrence loose his
    cool. I love watching that guy get upset over nothing. Just call me an
    instigater (Sp?);-) %^) :^) 8^) 

    re 74:
    
    I should have known you'd find this note, Bill.  Now that you've
    side-tracked the subject, go back and listen to your rap music...
    
    As for remakes of old songs, yes, I will agree some are good.  As
    a matter of fact, in the movie "The Lost Boys," there was a remake
    of "People Are Strange" (I forget the name of the band).  I'll have
    to confess it was not bad.  
    
    But Billy Idol's version of "LA Woman" s*cks! (IMHO)  

    re.75
    	I felt that cover of People Are Strange was bogus, they 
    tried to COPY the Doors. I think Idol's cover is cool cuz it's
    Billy Idol's version of the song, and I'm not just saying this
    to be contradictive, honest!
    ;^)
    
    /Motorbreath

    	We must be on the same wavelength today /Motorbreath 8^)
    I felt People are Strange was just a copy, with no individual artistic
    input.  Idol's version of LA Woman took a lot more of a creative
    approach... it wasn't just a bland copy.  That's why I'd rather
    listen to Idol's remake then the People... remake, it adds another
    "dimension" so to speak.
    
    sean

    Re 76 & 77:
    
    	I said the cover of "People are Strange" was not bad, I didn't
    say it was all that great, either.  I guess I tolerated it because
    "People" was in the style of the Doors, maybe you're right, a copy.
    But it just sounded better than the style of Idol's "LA Woman".
    Agreed, Idol definitely added his own "dimension" to it, but it
    ruined LA Woman to me.  
    
    When bands remake someone else's song, they walk a fine line between
    a tribute and an insult (or a copy).  And as a matter of fact, I
    did not care for the Doors cover of "Gloria".  
    
    So I guess the point is if a band is going to remake someone else's
    song, they'd better be careful.

"People Are Strange" was covered by Echo and the Bunnymen.

    
    re .79
    
    YYYYYYYYYYUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    
    
    I saw the vid LA woman and didn't even realize the doors weren't
    singing it 
    
    hows that for bimbo action?
    
    But, I thought the video was a very good modern day and relevant to the
    song, etc. you know what I'm saying?
    
    I thought any doors fan would be pleased with it..  its a very "doors"
    vid..
    
    IMO
    
    Francine

    re.80
    	Have you introduced yourself?
    Your well-worded replies don't seem familiar to me.
    
    

    
      The cover of People are Strange by the Bunnymen featured Ray Manzarek
    on keys, and was produced by Manzarek - that's probably why it sounds
    more like a copy of the song. I liked it when I first heard it but
    have swayed from that opinion, now I don't like it all.  As far
    as Idol's cover of L.A.Woman, I haven't heard it, yet. I guess I'm
    responsible for all the rederick(sp) going on about it ( I'm the
    one that originally asked about it).  I'm interested in hearing
    it to see how good (or bad) of a job he did with it. I already know
    that there's no way I'll like it as much as the originals - I'm
    a die hard Doors/Morrison "fan" and I don't think anyone could do
    justice to any one of their songs by remaking it.
    
       Steve S "...there will never be another one - like you...
                   there will never be another one who can - do the
                   things you do..."

    Re. 83:
    
    	If you get WBCN, they play Idol's "LA Woman" quite frequently,
    too frequently for my tastes.  I'd like to hear your opinion of
    it when you hear it.  We should have a tally of Doors fans verdicts
    on Idol's cover.  So far, it seems to be half & half...
                                                           
    I'll be glad to start off:
    
    	BILLY'S COVER	     Thumbs UP    Thumbs DOWN
    	                                       X

    	Like I said before, I give it a thumbs up because I feel:
    
    	1.  It pays tribute to Jim.  This song is proof that even
    	    in his death/eternal absence, his music shall live on
    	    forever.
    	2.  Idol put his own style into the music so that it was not
    	    jut "another" cover.  
    	3.  I feel the song is well done and sounds good.  
        4.  I prefer the original over the cover, but I do not feel
    	    the cover does any harm and is a good 90's version.
    
    	A lot of the opinion depends on whether you like Idol or
    not, I guess.   
    
    sean

    
    	What Sean said.
    
    /Motorbreath...has the EXACT same opinion

    Maybe someone can enlighten me. I keep seeing how Paula Abdul is doing
    the choreography for the Doors movie. WTF is dancing doing in a movie
    about the Doors? The closest I can figure is maybe go go dancers like
    in Laugh-In.             

    Toenail, people did dance to doors music...
    
    CJ

    
    re. last couple
    
      I believe that PA is helping to choreograph Morrison's moves.
    I don't know how much that has to do with dancing - it has more
    to do with body movement.
    
      related/unrelated dept: I heard on the radio the other day that
     John Densmore is writing an auto-biography of his "life" with the
     Doors, due out this September. In it he will "expose" the "suicide"
     of Morrison in France ('71).  Hmmmm - another tell-all.

    re: Densmore bio.
    
    Hmm...  I hadn't heard about that, but if it's true, I hope it's
    not a bunch of horse hockey like all these others books that 
    "espose the true story" years after the fact.  I would expect
    more than that from Densmore.  After all, he made plenty of $$
    with the Doors and continues to do so from the royalties.  
    
    BTW, what was your source on this bio?  Anyone else heard of this?
    Or is it all extra publicity for the upcoming "Doors" movie?

    
    re.90
    
      I heard about it on 'FNX a few days back.  Really, I don't know
    if we can expect more from Densmore - from what I'd heard in an
    interview a couple of years back he was pretty bitter about his
    days with the Doors. I just hope he doesn't crucify them. He was/is
    IMO one of the best, most underated drummers I've ever heard.
    
    -Steve

    Just finished reading John Densmore's bio, "Riders of the Storm,"
    and it is quite emotional.  The pain this guy was in was incredible,
    and he wasn't really negative about Jim, he was frustrated because
    Jim self-destructed and nobody knew what to do for him.  In the
    beginning, Densmore was really proud of the Doors' creativity, and
    their electrifying concerts, but then Jim's excessive drinking threw
    the group on a downward spiral none of them knew how to stop, or
    more accurately, none of them knew how to talk to each other on
    a truly personal level.  He felt guilt all those years after Jim's
    death (and his own brother's suicide) because he might have been
    able to do something but felt he could have done something.
    
    All in all, it's very fascinating.  You feel like you actually
    joined the Doors and went on tour for 5 years then felt the pain
    when they crashed.  Some were expecting Densmore to rip apart the
    band, but they will be quite surprised.
    
    After meeting him and grabbing about 30 seconds to talk to him,
    he seems like a really cool guy.  His hands are so small it's a
    wonder he could play drums so good.  He was very tolerant of people
    who handed him a dozen things to autograph and even let somebody
    take a video of him.  I just wanted him to autograph the book for
    me and talk to him a minute.  
    
    BTW, Entertainment Tonight reported that the "Doors" movie will
    be out in March.  Helluva long wait, but I think it will be worth
    it.

    John D. was on the syndicated radio talk show "Rockline" last night.  I
    just caught the last couple of minutes of it though.  From what I heard
    he seemed to be personable and pleasant.
    

    Rulin'.
    
    �|-)        

    
    Why does this topic exist in this conference? It's already covered in
    MUSIC.
    
    /prc

    Re:Pete
    Yea, I wuz wonderin' that myself..............
    I wouldn't really classify them as heavy meatal would you?
    �|-)
    'pril

    
    	RE: Rulin'.
    
    	April - could you please list a more logical reason behind
    	your likes and dislikes when you list a band??  Although
    	the conference is close to death, in the event someone
    	DOES pick it up, it'd be nice to read a reason behind your
    	views...
    
    	RE: Pete
    
    	Don't start.
    
    	tigga~~~

    
    The movie about the Doors is coming out soon, I saw previews on TV.
    And this topic still doesn't belong in here. 8-P
    
    /prc

    
    I saw the movie this past week, and I have mixed emotions. I thought
    the movie was good, BUT I was disappointed that it didn't spend more
    time on Morrison and the Doors as a musical entity.
    
    Oliver Stone (director) seems more interested in using Jim Morrison
    to represent the drug culture of the late 60's that led to the deaths
    of Hendrix, Joplin and the demise of many others. The whole movie is
    done from the realm of being "high". Granted this is how Jimbo spent
    most of his time, but I would like to have seen the way they worked
    on creating and writing some of their songs. There a few of these
    moments, but they are not covered in great detail, nor are there enough
    enough of them, in my opinion...
    
    All in all, I think the movie is good as a representation of the
    60's rock culture, w/ Morrison as one of its icons. But it fails
    as a movie about the MAN himself and the group. BTW - Val Kilmer
    does a very good job as Jim Morrison, I was surprised...
    
    
    Night_Prowler
    

    
    	re: -1
    
    	That's basically what the TV Guide said (I believe that's
    	where I read it).  The reviewer thought that Stone should
    	have put more emphasis on the rest of the group as musicians
    	rather than on Jim as a druggie.
    
    	JJ
    

    I saw part of a MTV Rocumentary on the Doors last weekend that had
    interviews with the remaining Doors and Ray Manzarek(sp) said basically
    the same thing.  He was careful to point out that, while Jim did a lot
    of drugs, he wasn't wasted *all* the time like I hear they characterize
    him in the movie.
    
    gh

    I heard part of a live interview with Ray Mansarek(sp?) on Boston's
    100.7 fm
    
    Apparently the DJ knows him, but Ray was basically saying that he
    didn't like the movie, or even consider it realistic.  He said the
    concert scenes were "goofy".  He said, and I am paraphrasing, that
    a Doors concert was a mesmorizing experience, a religous bonding with
    the Doors, and that Morrison was hypnotic.  He thought the frenzied
    atmosphere of the concerts, like people tearing their clothes off
    was stupid.  
    
    He also made some comments about whoever made the scenes was on coke
    or something slamming Stone like that.  
    
    I have seen the movie, and I also had mixed feelings about it. I
    enjoyed it, but didn't really explore enough the "art" of the Doors
    as a band, or the genious of Morrison.  
    
    Well I am obviously not a movie critic, but I would say that seeing
    Meg Ryan's ni**le is worth the price of admission.
    
    /Jim
    (Don't give me shi*, I was just kidding) 

    
    
    
    	I saw the movie. I really like Oliver Stone's movies. I knew 
    	this would be a good one. I really enjoyed it. Im sure Jim 
    	wasnt stoned all the time! It really gives you an idea how
    	Stardom affects people! Jim was Poet trapped in a Pop Stars
    	body....Val's BUNS was worth the price of admission and so
    	were the frontal shots. 8^)
    
    	SueJ
    	The soundtrack is great also!!!!!

    
    
     I went and saw it also. I have some good and bad to say about it.
    But, I believe it was a pretty good representation of JM's life.
    I believe he wanted to live his life in that lifestyle fully know-
    ing he was going to self destruct. I wanted to see more of the
    interaction with the rest of the band myself. All in all I really
    enjoyed it.
                  mike
    

     I  have seen to movie too........
     
       Athough I am much to young to understand what was happening
    back then I am very facinated by the thing.  I enjoyed the movie
    but I very grumpy and soft-spoken after it was over. I am 
    very interested in Jim M. and not so much the band because 
    the music was o.k. but the ideas of this self-proclaimed were
    very weird. 
    
         I got the book "NO ONE HERE GETS OUT ALIVE" and it
    seem to have alot more insight than the movie.  The movie 
    skipped so much!!!  I'ts excellent so far!!
    
      The new Rolling Stone is great!! It stated that the incedent
    in Maimi were Jim threated to bare all was a lonely cry
    for people to like him and his music instead of his body.
    So he was an artist that was feed up with his fans and 
    then threated to give them what he thought was his only asset
    his pride and joy...
    
              Morrison was the Doors because the "Doors" put
    out two albums after his death and the albums didn't
    sell SH*T!!! I'm glad they did to!!Just to prove to the 
    glass "Doors" they are nothing without JIM MORRISON!!
    
                          Frizkid
    
    

    
    Well said Buddy! ;^)
    
    SueJ

    
    Me and my SO saw it. She grew up in those times so she really wanted
    to see it. We felt it concentrated on the dark side of Morrison and
    didn't go into his soul and good side enough. 
    
    I'm also surprise it didn't touch on his friendship with Manson.
    
    /prc

    
    I've read both No One Here Gets Out Alive, and Riders On The Storm.
    They both are very good, in my opinion. I've always been a BIG
    Doors fan and I disagree with the note a few back about the band
    besides Jim being "glass".  Robbie Kreiger, the guitarist, is very
    well-respected and actually wrote Light My Fire, Touch Me, Take It As
    It Comes, and alot of the melodies. John Densmore, the drummer, was
    also considered an excellent percussionist among his peers and critics.
    Ray Manzarek's organ-playing I think speaks for itself. It wasn't that
    the band was a no talent w/o Morrison, it's just that they lost there
    "vision" and focus.  Kreiger didn't want to use the name Doors on
    subsequent albums, but Manzarek did - Densmore was "on the fence", so
    the label went ahead and used it... I think a mistake!
    
    Anyways, if you become interested in the Doors I would read both books,
    because No One.... is very factual and has good events in it, but
    Riders... is written by Densmore and reveals what was going on "inside"
    the group. Also, a Rolling Stone interview with Morrison in 1971 is
    very insightful....
    
    RE: Pete -  He wasn't friends with Manson... they had met, but nowhere
    have I ever read that he hung around with the guy. And I once did a
    research paper on him in college (Morrison that is)...
    
    
      Night_Prowler

    
    
      To say that Morrison was the Doors in a way is true but it is
    also very untrue. Many of the Doors songs were written by Krieger.
    In fact, most of their hits. He grew to hate Light My Fire. The true
    side of the statement is that Morrison was the mystery behind the Doors
    - his voice was so different than any others of the time (and since, imho)
    and his words were poetry, not just words. Other groups during the '60's
    were putting too much of their music and words into direct statements of
    what was happening (as far as rioting, revolution, etc...).  Not many people
    realize that Krieger wrote the line "they got the guns but we've got
    the numbers..." and that Morrison DIDN'T want to sing that line because
    it was too much of a statement of revolution - he was afraid that the 
    media would blame him for enciting the "kids" to riot. He was right.
    Not that Morrison wasn't a revolutionist of the time - he was as 
    much as anyone of the 60's was, looking for a change. 
     
     All Morrison ever wanted to do was his "own thing" and people wouldn't
    let him - they wanted something more - someone more than Morrison knew
    that he was. He responded in the only way he knew how. He used it and 
    abused it - but that only made him more of what he didn't want to be
    and it perpetuated the mystery.
    One thing to consider in all of this is that Morrison never wanted to
    be the singer for the Doors - he didn't think he could sing, he just
    wanted to provide the words for them - it was Manzarek's idea, really 
    who told him he had to be the singer. He turned out to be the rage of
    the '60s. 
    
    

    
    I was over a friends house yesterday and found out something very 
    interesting.
    
    You know the Doors song with the line, "Take me to the next whiskey
    bar"
    
    Well, Jim didn't write that song at all. It was written by a German-
    American in 1920's-1930's. I heard the original version and it's
    almost similar. Jim changed the second verse around very slightly
    but other than that it's exact.
    
    FWIW,
    
    /prc

    Speaking of the Doors...
    
    IRFHIW my alarm goes off this am and that stupid a$$ Doors song is
    on ... you know, the American Indian sounding one??
    
    Buck, who hates them all, but hates that one a lot...esp. at 6:30am!

    
    re. last -
    
      Oh, you mean you RFHIW you're FORCED to listen to REAL music playing
    at 6;30 in the morning?
    
    re. 115 -
    
      Where have you been - everyone ('cept you, obviously) knew that.