Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    Peter,
    	
    It's the distortion, the feelin', it's the RAW POWER (emotional,
    sexual, and otherwise ) !

    IT'S THE GUITAR PLAYERS
    
    Yuck, nuck, nuck !
    
    (Chauk one up for the string rapers...)
    Jeff

    Peter,
    
    	Heavy metal is sex with strings, G - strings or in some cases
        the whole set.   It's the ringing in your ears (after the concert
    	or just before orgasm ) and the rapid pulse.  It's blue's at
        MEGA VOLUME.  It's easy listening music at my house !!! 

    
    	   Hmm... what makes metal heavy... hmmm
    
    	   Sex with the strings sounds close... but it's more than that.
    	It's the rhythm that wrenches your whole body, the almost
    	random arrangement of sounds to produce a total expression of
    	some strong feeling... the stronger the better.  Heavy metal
    	springs fropm the origins of music itself... the need to 
    	express things too complex or powerful for mere words.
    
    	   Usually implied by the name is extensive use of guitars in
    	competative cooperation.  It is the unleashing of the demon
    	in the human... the beast in us all.  
    
    	- Greg
    

    
    
    	re: 4
    		I second that motion
    
    		Heavy Metal is the acceleration, the driving
  	  force, the immortal feeling....

    
        Heavy Metal consists of:
    
              1)  Heavy, loud, take-charge guitar riffs
    
              2)  Loud, pounding drums (especially bass)
    
              3)  High and low screeches from the lead singer
    
        and other qualities which go beyond words.
    
                                                       Shawn L.
    

    
    To paraphrase somebody i don't remember "I can't tell you what it
    is...But I know it when I hear it."
    
    /Bill Upham
    

    Rock is a stock car racing around an oval track.
    
    Heavy Metal is a Funnycar racing down the quarter mile - then bursting
    into flames after just breaking the world records - then everyone
    cheers without even knowing if the driver is dead or alive, because
    it doesn't matter.
    
    Chris D.

           
    IMO, Heavy Metal is an attitude:
    
      We're not going to take any sh*t from anyone!
    
    It's a rebellious, live-by-your-own-rules attitude.
    It's what we turn up loud when we're in the dumps,
    It's what we turn up loud when we're celebrating.
    It is the soundtrack to our lives. (pretty good, huh?)
    
    Alan S.  

    	Heavy metal can be defined as music with BALLS! I consider
    heavy metal as sound that will even mess up Tammy Fay's hair do
    at 100 yards and causes cats to turn inside out. White hot, ass
    kicking music that will turn window pains into a rubbery, snot
    like substance.
    
    Death to the voice coils,
    DonH
    
    

    
    	   Interesting classification scheme.  It seems that by
    	your definition Heavy Metal implies Old Metal (or perhaps
    	you simply neglected to add newer bands to the Heavy list.
    
    	   I do like the classifications though, and feel certain there
    	are others.  For example:
    
    	Trash Metal	(bands that spend five minutes rehearsing before
    			 recording an entire album, then stop with the
    			 first take).  Since I don't buy these albums,
    			 I can't list any names.
    
    	Punk Metal	(bands that rely more on the punk image than
    			 on musical integrity).
    
    	Pseudo Metal	(bands from other genres that put out one song
    			 that has metallic overtones).

    

    
    In response to all of the above,
    
    NOTHIN' MAKES HEAVY METAL, HEAVY METAL MAKES ITSELF !!!!!!!
    
    It's up to the individual as to what kind of heavy metal he/she
    prefers!
    
    SW

    WHAT MAKES HEAVY METAL ?
    
    
                   MY DOUBLE BASS' AT FULL FORCE
    
    
                                    JIM....TAMA
    

    What heavy metal IS has been pretty well described in the preceding
    replies, but what ISN'T heavy metal has not been described. Heavy
    metal isn't:
    
    o music listened to by a majority of screaming teeni-boppers (Bon
    Jovi)
    
    o music with too much synthesizers, keyboards, and not enough kick-ass
    guitar solos (Van Halen)
    
    o played by a bunch of fashion faggits (Poison, Cinderella)
    
    o an album with too many slow songs about love and happiness
    (Whitesnake)
    
    I can expect alot of arguments on this reply, but remember I am not
    putting down any of these bands (except Poison), I just don't think
    they heavy metal. 
    	Also, some bands are called speed metal, thrash metal, etc.
    this doesn't mean they aren't heavy metal, they are just heavier,
    or faster. On the other hand pop metal is not really metal, it's sort
    of like 'almost metal'.
    
    A loud "Metal Up Your Ass",
    
    Dave
    

Well, like many other things in this conference, a person's definition of
Heavy Metal is an opinion. There is no right or wrong.

I happen to agree with what you are saying (for the most part), but not
everyone will. That is OK! That's what makes this conference cool.

In here, we try not to limit ourselves *too* much. Yes, we won't discuss
Simon and Garfunkel here. But we can talk about such pop/metal bands as
Poison and Whitesnake. Why? Because we want to! 

This conference was set up by people who were sick of getting flamed on
in the MUSIC file whenever we mentioned our favorite bands. So we
started our own conference. What we don't need now is some holier-than-
thou person to start telling us what we can and can't talk about. So 
please back off a little, huh?

If you only consider bands like Testament to be HM, and VH to be pop, 
that's fine! Please feel free to put in useful comments in that 
category. But also give us the freedom to discuss other types of metal,
including pop/metal or ballads, or whatever.

Hope this doesn't sound like too much of a flame, because it's not meant to
be. I just want to shut off trouble before it starts here, and this goes
into a rathole.

cat

    
    
    	re: 16...Gee Cat.  You sound like a Moderator, but without
    		 the ego.  (Just kiddn' mods)
    
    		
  	And it's a good thing you put that in here, because I was
    	just about to run up and down this guys (no offense Dave)
    	butt for his comments...
    
    	

    
    Don't forget...your parents MUST HATE it.  8^)
    
    

    
   re: .19
    
    	   Not just your parents, but all your old friends too.
    	Everybody has to hate it (except true metalheads) or
    	it ain't HEAVY!
    
    	-=[MOSAT]=-

    
    	Hell, my father likes Scorpions, Ted Nuggent and ZZ Top !!
    
    	What should I say ??
                                
    	Sometimes he listen to a ZZ Top tape I gave him so loud in his
    	car, going to work, that you can't even talk with him  :-)
     
    	However he's not a real Headbanger :
    		- works for 20 years in TI
    		- is a classical music addict	
    		- has short hair
    		...
    
    	but still like those bands. And sometimes I let him listen to
    some new CDs I bought.
    
    			Didier "It must be congenital ;-)" 

    I've come to a decision.  I know this shocks a lot of you.
    
    The thing that makes Heavy Metal truely heavy is the weight of the
    guitar amps.  You can't play heavy metal with some lightweight amp, it
    takes a real back breaker.  The more it weighs, the better (heavier) is
    must sound right? 
    
    I notice that many bands seem to try to compensate for having light
    weight amps by adding more cabinets (see the wall of Randall cabs at a
    Poison show?).  This may help a bit, but in the long run isn't going
    to cut it.  
    
    Heavy music simply requires heavy amps!
    
    gh
    
    ;^) 8^0 ;^) ;^) ;^) and an "agagagagagagaga" fer sure...

    
    Re. 22
    
    You said it Greg! Played with many people, heard many amps IMO __
    Marshall = HM  end of story.
                                 mike (I heart my Marshall)
    

    
    
    	Would a 36" thin splash (Zildjian of course) be considered
    	the cause of Heavy Metal?  ;')
    
    
    	Hollywood........................The tin man was'nt so heavy!
    

    From a Guitar players opinion, mechanically speaking its :-
    
    1) distotion
    2) minor Chord progresions " perhaps a few diminished 5ths here
    and there for a rhoads type style."
    3) Last but not least , tune in, turn up, and let rip!.
    
    Just an opinion,
                       Jon.

                         
    I thought that for the majority of "middle of the road" stuff,
    H_M is dominated by stuff like 9ths or chords with no 3rds etc.. 
    (ie power chords).  Mick Marrs wouldn't know a diminished fifth if
    it kicked him in the b*lls  8^)
                         
    Maybe I'm just thick.
                           
    -Tony (another UKnoter)

    
        For Mick Mars, a solo consists of a set of 'screeching
        slides' up the neck and some wimpy fingering.
    
        Don't get me wrong - I LOVE M�tley Cr�e, but Mick isn't
        the best guitarist.
    
                                                       GTI
    

    A ninth chord in HM?  No way. Try a ninth with distortion
    sometime...makes aweful noise.
    
    gh 

    
    
    re-1
    	A ninth chord with distortion sounds cool.
    	 an Augmented chord with distortion now thats wierd.
    
    	M
    	 B

                                  <Maybe??>
    
   (Reply -> 25.29)
    
    Yes the Minor Progresions I was typing about are in fact "mainly"
    Power Chords with no 3rd's "ie A5 or A no 3rd".
    But Power Chords can be in the form of roots and 3rds.
    EG:-
         A5 or A no 3rd consists of ( A,E,A), E Bieng the 5th.
    
         A/C# or A,C# Bass consists of (A,C#,A) C# Bieng the 3rd.
    
    This chord A/C# is played as Power chord using only the 4th and
    7th frets of the A and D string respectivley, a working Heavy Metal
    example of this chord bieng used is in AC/DC's Hells Bells,
    and if that isn't Heavy I'll snap my strat!. As for 9ths , Nope,
    suspended 4ths yes.
    
    If still in doubt, check Bert Weadons Play in a day!
                                            
                                 Jon.

                      <I ALWAYS play my 3rds>
reply > 25.34
    
    Was this comment directed @ the question or the answer???
    
     Yours in anticipation,
                            Jon.

                        <Self tort, me!>
    
    
    Very democratically put,
   I wonder how many peolpe catch on to "third_chord_degree snob",
   your obviously used to a wider fret board.
   
  Humbly Yours,
                Jon.

    Hey Jon!  Have you put in a bio in note number 3 yet?
    
    Go for it!  (nice to have another player here)
    
    gh
    
    Oh yeah, I usually like to have thirds in my chords, otherwise (like
    Buck sez) it's tonality is ambiguous.  ...But sometimes that can be
    advantageous (prevents problems like, "Whaddaya mean I was outta tune,
    it's *supposed* to be MINOR")
    
    gh (redundancy check) 

              
              
    Re: including thirds
                                                         
    It depends on what you are doing.  I guess they are time when its
    not worth including it just for the sake of melody (does Wurzel 
    include the third in an A5 most of the time ?? 8^) ).  
    
    On analysis of Maidens earlier stuff, you will find that A.Smith 
    plays a hell of a lot of 5ths (no 3rds) whilst Dave Murray plays
    exactly the same 5th progression but WITH the 3rds, so with him 
    including them gives the sound that much more bite - but not enough
    to make it sound wimpy (which IMO is what would happen if one  
    guitarist played the hole thing WITH the 3rds).  It balances well.
    
    I agree with Buck that todays guitarists is striving for more of
    a "harmony" approach rather than bone crushing power chords - but
    I believe there is room for both.  Also, the latter style is much
    more likely to get a "rock" guitarist more respect from other
    musicians.  I guess it boils down to preference and the players style.
                       
    Just some bullshit,                                                        
    -Tony               

    People who look like WHITPOSE

    
    ... give H_M fans a bad name.
    
    
    

    > ... give H_M fans a bad name.
    
    ...then buy Harley's and give Bikers a bad name, too!
    

    Blood,sweat and beers....
    
         Friz
    

    Don't bust on the coolest rocker that side of Iowa!!
    Whitpose is the best bass player in Boston. You're pathetic if you
    don't know that!  Didn't you hear him last night at 4 a.m. on WROT 
    with MP?  Anyone who hangs out with them has got to be cool...
    
              Friz
    

    WROT -- rooin!!

    But has he played at EM Lowes?

    Last time I talked to him he was planning on it....
    
         Friz
    

    
    
    
    RE:Last few..
    
    
    AAHhhhhhhahah!! you guys are a riot.. ;') ('cept chris.. :'))
    
    Well, just got back from vaca, trying to catch up on the notes.. :')
    
    
    BTW: I DID play E.M. Loews!! on August 8th! ;') I sang backup vocals
    for 'Lisa Joy Doll' (she does a rock/rap thing). Now I am just too
    cooooool!! ;') 
    
    Wpose-!

    
    You would do a rap/metal mix. 
    
    

    I would do POLKA music if I could be cool and play E.M. LOEWS! 8)
    
        Friz
    

    Hey,Watch it with the"Polka_Bashin"quips...
    
    By,the way..I lookin for copies of any"Happy_Louie and his
    wife,Glumpski"records..
    
        Crazy_My_Last_Name_Is_A_Type_Of_Polka_Music_Al

    
    peter, 
                You got that one right. It's a way of expression,---- --!
                   Raw,in every way, 
    
                              pockett
    

    My leather pants full of sweat...8*]
    
     Friz