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Title:HEAVY_METAL - Talent Round-Up DayDay
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687.0. "Recording studios" by PFLOYD::ROTHBERG (Dance 2 the sound of the underground) Thu Oct 05 1989 16:07

                
                Couldn't  really  find  anything  pertaining  to
                recording studios, so ...
                
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PFLOYD::ROTHBERG "Dance 2 the sound of the undergro" 18 lines   5-OCT-1989 15:01
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                A friend of mine is looking to open a combination
                24 track studio  along with practice studios.  He
                eventually would also like  to  offer trucking of
                equipment  to local clubs and  possibly  a  small
                limo service.  I thought it  would be a good idea
                to get some input.  Some of  that  sounds  to  me
                like a good idea in theory, but from  a  business
                standpoint,  limo  service  could  very well be a
                costly flop.   He is also looking for a locale in
                the Southern NH,  Metro  region.  Any thoughts or
                comments  or ideas/suggestions would  be  greatly
                appreciated.
                
                Cheers, Rob
                

                
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687.1studioFUTURE::DSMITHWed Jun 13 1990 14:4213
    Here's a few...
               Work in combo with another studio that has different
    gear (ie. 24 track, etc) to interface with the digital 32...both
    could make some bucks that way since you can do some wonderful dubbing
    with the two...for example: LYX Music & Studio, Foster St, Worcester
                                (508) 752-6010
                                Producer Andy Celley (his dad was Duke
                                                      Ellington's mgr)
                                Paul & Bob run the office (Paul's a
                                sax player - big favorite with the
                                Worcester crowds - often plays with
                                Fly Amero band at the Firehouse Cafe
           
687.3Renting a studioFASDER::AHERBWed Apr 24 1991 22:564
    How much would it cost to rent a studio for 3 hours to make 6 songs and
    make 100 duplicates of the 6 songs... Would $600 be enough.. $300 for
    the recording and $300 for the duplicates?
    
687.4CAVLRY::ROBRDifferent eyes see different things...Thu Apr 25 1991 02:4210
    3 hours for 6 songs?!?!?  Good luck! :').  
    
    (PS, why are we in the FNM note....)
    
    Also, most studios don't do dubbing themselves, they usually send the
    tapes out to another company.  Prices vary.  Haven't recorded anything
    in a while, someone else can tell you better, but no way will you EVER
    get 6 songs done in 3 hours.
    
    
687.5VCSESU::MOSHER::COOKNo Vacancy!Thu Apr 25 1991 08:0212
    
    3 hours is not even enough for one song. As far as prices, you're
    looking at anywhere from $200-$300 per 100 tapes, depending on
    tape length, tape kind (normal, metal), housing type (white, see
    through). Tape boxes always cost around 25� a peice. Of course then
    there is the insert (j-card), and if you have those done professionally
    it will cost you, you'll probably have to buy in lots of 500 to 1000.
    
    Add in how much studio time it will take to lay down the songs AND
    mix them down to a master.
    
    /prc
687.6GSRC::COOPERMajor MIDI Rack Puke (tm)Fri Apr 26 1991 13:157
    I gotta agree with Rob...  It'll take you 3-6 hours to get the drums set
    up...Unless your not fussy and like your drum tracks to sound like
    trash cans full of broken glass...
    
    Your lookin' at a lot of money.
    
    jc
687.7USOPS::WHITMANFri Apr 26 1991 13:299
    
    
    	When we went into an 8 track studio.. it took us roughly 
    	22 hours.. (including mix-down) to do 2 songs. Granted it 
    	was our first time in the studio.. but we did'nt have alot
    	of mistakes..
    
    
    	JW-
687.822 hours for 2 songs!?!FASDER::AHERBSun Apr 28 1991 23:237
    Trashcans in the drums... thats exactly how it sounds like now when I
    record drums on my multitrack.. I lay my only microphone next to the
    bassdrum and record the drums.. Do people normally put effects on the
    drums when the record in a studio? I like the drums sound on Black
    Sabbath's paranoid. I dont like the drums sound in bands like slaughter
    and Poison... Sounds like explosions as snare drums
    
687.9VCSESU::MOSHER::COOKThe Cookster, 297-6936Mon Apr 29 1991 08:1319
    
    Effects? sure. reverb on the snare, sometimes compression on the bass
    drums but I don't like to use it unless: a. the engineer knows what
    he's doing, and b. we have the right equipment to do the job.
    
    When you go in make sure your drums are tuned propely. Don't fall
    victim to tuning your heads way too high. They wind up sounding tinny
    almost like a 99� timbale. Personally I prefer an nice deep sounding
    drum. It sounds killer on tape! And try to muffle the bass drum 
    without throwing everything but the kitchen sink in it. It kills
    the true sound and purpose of the shell.
    
    Pay attention to your hihat sound in the studio. You don't want them
    to sound like garbage. If they are garbage go invest $200, it'll be the
    best investment so far. A good cymbal sound is very important, make
    sure you have overhead mics, even when your playing out!
    
    Also, don't forget to get all the squeaks and rattles out of equipment.
    
687.10In and outDECXPS::MCLEMENTSilence &amp; TearsMon Apr 29 1991 09:279
    
    You could always use a drum machine!!!
    
    1) You can program it at home, walk into the studio and plug it in.
       Always right one the first take, perfect time......;^)
    
    2) and you won't have to settle for glass crash sound..
    
                                                         Marko
687.11VCSESU::MOSHER::COOKThe Cookster, 297-6936Mon Apr 29 1991 09:515
    
    I'd *only* use a drum machine if all the sounds in it were sampled
    from a *real* drum set.
    
    /prc
687.12Excellent for pretty much everything except cymbalsGOES11::G_HOUSEDid someone say tone?Mon Apr 29 1991 12:2512
    Most of the drum machines available these days have sampled sounds. 
    Some are better then others.  You can easily get one with good samples
    that sounds great for $500 (many times for much less).  The only thing
    that I generally don't like about the drum machine sample sounds is the
    cymbals, they don't have the sustain and dynamics that the real ones
    do.  
    
    What I'd probably do is have the drummer program the drum parts he
    actually  plays into the thing for everything except cymbals and then
    add them later for a more realisic sound.  Best of both worlds.
    
    Greg
687.13Drum Machine? You bet!GURU::tomgDanger: Slow Thinker at WorkMon Apr 29 1991 14:3719

	For home studio recording on 4 track (maybe even 8 track)
A drum machine is the *only* way to go. It's nearly impossible to
get a good live drum sound without:

	a. lots of mics

	b. a good room to record in

	In a small studio environment a high quality drum machine
will work much better. Check out the Roland R5. Very realistic 
drums and cymbals.

	The biggest problem with drum machines is that they're not
spontaneous. Great drumming, IMHO is a combination of good solid
timing *and* getting that great roll/fill or whatever. Hard to get
with a drum machine..

687.14triggered samplesQRYCHE::STARRSRV......I can&#039;t believe you&#039;re gone....Mon Apr 29 1991 16:2016
I think that for me, the perfect solution would be to have a live drummer,
but to have his drums trigger samples, so you don't have to worry about miking 
the drums, getting the right sounds, sounds bleeding from one mike to the next 
(although mike bleed might be part of the appeal of live drums), etc.

Another advantage is that the drummer's playing can be recorded onto a 
sequencer, and then you can change single notes or cymbal crashes or whatever,
without having to re-do the whole piece! 

Its amazing what technology can do today, and it seems silly not to take 
advantage of some of it! I'm more a believer in straight-ahead, bash-it-out, 
rock and roll than most people in here, but that doesn't mean that I'm tied 
to the past, nor unwilling to use today's technology. It's just a matter of 
using it wisely....

alan
687.15..FASDER::AHERBMon Apr 29 1991 23:264
    Ive used drum machines in thet past.. It doesnt have as much energy as
    a real drummer and try doing WAR PIGS on a drum machine..Or a RUSH
    song.. then again the onyl drum machine I have is a BOSS dr. rythem
    
687.16good studiosMCIS3::DBEVERIDGEMRO3Mon Jul 22 1991 13:3116
    GOOD STUDIO RECORDINGS!!!
    
    
                 pete,
              Long time no see.
              I dont know if you talked with kirk lately,
              but we (namesake) cut a demo a couple of 
              months ago. It came out beautiful. Well
              the studio is in allston, its called the
              lanes. Its right near bunrattys.
              ******brand new 16 track*********
    
    
                                 your old bassist
                                      gregg
                                 
687.24home studios vs. commercial studiosHAVASU::HEISERstep into my grooveMon Sep 09 1991 13:507
    This may be a dumb question but...
    
    What's the biggest difference in achieving sound quality between these
    portastudio multitrackers and a full blown studio?  Is it just the
    quality of equipment and number of tracks?
    
    Mike (who's curious)
687.25IMTDEV::COOPERStep UP to the RACK !Mon Sep 09 1991 14:183
Both.

More tracks on a bigger/faster tape transport etc...etc...
687.26CAVLRY::BUCKCarry on, cuz nothing really mattersMon Sep 09 1991 15:0511
    More tracks is superfluous!!  A lot of great sounding albums have been
    done on 4, 8, and 16tk equipment!!  The key to a better sound is the
    qualities of the tape:
    
    o bandwidth of tape 
    o quality of tape
    o size of track space
    o equipment used in the A-D-A conversion.
    
    Quite oftem, less-is-more in recording...aka, 16tks will sound better
    than 24, etc.  Just judge the quality of the equipment, basically.
687.27HAVASU::HEISERstep into my grooveMon Sep 09 1991 15:273
    so what kind of equipment is reasonable/good?  Wall to wall Roland
    processors?  Bryston or Boulder amps?  Yamaha mixers?  Tascam
    recorders?  AKG mics? etc.
687.28QRYCHE::STARRSpontaneity has its time and place.Mon Sep 09 1991 15:5917
Besides the obvious advantage of a larger number of tracks (which means you
don't have to bounce tracks, hence saving additional hiss and allowing more
freedom in the final mixdown), there are several other (probably more 
important advantages of studio vs. home:

  - Outboard equipment - high-quality processors like EQs, reverbs, etc.
  - Professional mikes - Neumman and AKGs for vocals 
  - Room acoustics (if recording anything live)
  - The experience of the engineer/producer - this is what is most valuable, 
    imo, over doing it in your basement. 

And, personal opinion here - I dunno if its documented - I've had a real bitch 
of a time getting any decent bass sounds onto a 4-track. I really think that 
the small area allowed to capture the sound is the reason for this. Especially 
when you start splitting the cassettes into 8 tracks.

alan
687.29fun factFASDER::AHERBAl is the *first* nameFri Sep 20 1991 23:492
    The first Black Sabbath album was done in 10 hours on a 8 track
    
687.30NEWOA::DALLISONshe takes down his particularsTue Sep 24 1991 08:524
    
    And was recorded fifteen miles away from where I live.
    
    FYI 8*)
687.31SUBURB::COOKSI Reek Of PutreficationTue Sep 24 1991 13:357
    And needless to say is probably better than the last album they did
    which probably took a couple of months and many thousands of dollars.
    
    Joe Strummer - (Who can relate to the potential horrors and
    embarrassment of doing a dodgy demo).
    
    
687.33VCSESU::COOKMetal thrashing mad!Thu Apr 16 1992 14:493
    
    Everywhere I've seen, you have to have a minimum of 500 made. Costs
    big $$$$. I'ld like to get just 100 made of ours.
687.34CAVLRY::BUCKCoaster MasterThu Apr 16 1992 15:042
    The more copies you have made ,the less the overall $$$ of the copies
    are.
687.35GAMGEE::ROBRGecko&#039;s running wild in Hawaii!!Thu Apr 16 1992 22:365
    
    when i was in LA i recall looking at ads for such a thing.  if i
    recall, 500 CD's started at around $3000 or so...
    
    
687.36Sounds highGOES11::G_HOUSENow I&#039;m down in itFri Apr 17 1992 13:184
    I'm pretty sure you can do better then that.  Check the ads in the back
    of Mix for a lot of prices.
    
    gh
687.37DPE::STARRRed Wine and WhiskeyFri Apr 17 1992 14:297
>    when i was in LA i recall looking at ads for such a thing.  if i
>    recall, 500 CD's started at around $3000 or so...

That's *wicked* high! You should be able to get 1000 CDs for about $2000-$2500. 
Up to $3000-$3500 if you want nice packaging and all that stuff.

alan
687.39VCSESU::COOKMetal thrashing mad!Fri Apr 17 1992 14:542
    
    We're going to do CD's definitely, when we get another 5 songs down.
687.40My Day In The Studio, by Alan StarrDPE::STARRRed Wine and WhiskeyMon Apr 20 1992 16:15338
I guess you could call this a "book report" of the time I spent last weekend 
in the studio. Greg House and Tom Gallo both asked me to "keep notes" on
what happened (and how/why/when) for future reference, and I thought some
of this might be of interest to others as well. Please note that this is my
first time recording in a "real" studio, so I may be repeating things that
others find totally obvious. On the other hand, I may leave out some glaring
details, so feel free to ask me anything about the experience.

First off, some background: My band, See No Evil, needed to go into the studio
to make a half-decent demo tape. We're a cover band, and needed something to
pass out to club owners/managers and agents. Previously, we had been using
a rough 4-track recording that was done in our rehearsal space, and it was
rather shaky (although at the time we thought it was good! 8^). The aim of
the session was to cover 5-6 songs, recording only about 60-90 seconds of 
each song, in order to create a 8-10 minute medley.

BASIC STUDIO INFO
-----------------
Studio: West Sound Studios
	14 Sherwood Rd.
	Londonderry, NH 
	603-434-3676

Producer/Engineer/Co-Owner: Mike West

16-Track 1" Tascam recorder with outboard dbx, a 32-channel Tascam board 
(w/16-channel sub-mixer on it). Bunch of outboard gear, but some of the most
used were (3) Yamaha SPX-90II and (2) Yamaha REV-5. He also has a lot of
MIDI/keyboard stuff available, which we didn't use. 

COSTS
-----
Studio Time (10.5 hrs. @ 22.50/hr)	$236.25
Tape cost (one reel of 3M 1" tape)	  78.00
DATs (2 @ 13.50 each)			  27.00
					-------
Total					$341.25

BEFORE GOING IN
---------------
One of the biggest problems most bands have in the studio is lack of 
preparation. Its something that we tried very hard to avoid, and for the most
part we were successful. For several weeks before the actual recording, we
were playing the pieces of songs that were planning on recording over and
over. We made a tape of those exact 8 minutes we wanted to capture, and the
guys would go home and listen to them and play along with them. We figured
out all our weak spots, and worked on them. And just basically really 
tightened up the songs, so we could play them in our sleep by the time
we go there.

Also, some basic stuff - all the guitars were intonated the night before, and
had new strings on them (including the bass). The drummer was recommended to
have new heads put on (pinstripes preferred). Although he didn't put new
heads on, the ones on there were in good shape so it was ok.

TIME BREAKDOWN
--------------
9:30-10:00am - free load-in time, off the clock
10:00-11:00am - miking the drums
11:00-noon - miking the guitars and bass, getting setup with headphones, etc.
noon-2:20pm - recording basic tracks for 4 (of 5) songs
2:20-3:20pm - lunch break (off the clock)
3:20-5:30pm - recording basic tracks for last song, adding leads (and acoustic
              guitar track) for all songs. Also, breakdown and loadout of 
              drums (and amps, once finished with them).
5:30-7:00pm - recording vocals (in empty drum room)
7:00-9:15 - mixing the songs down to DAT
9:15-9:50 - making cassette copies, cleaning up, billing, etc.

MIKING THE EQUIPMENT
--------------------
I paid special attention to the miking of the various pieces of equipment,
since this is something that people are always interested in. The drums 
were first to be done, and took about an hour to set up. 

On the BASS DRUM, Mike had an AKG D212 mike inside the bass drum, and he took 
the head off the front. 

On the SNARE, he attached an EV N/D408 mike directly to the snare, and placed 
it right above the lip of the snare. He also had to place some sort of muffler
on the snare, because it was ringing a bit too much, After that, it sounded
real fine.

For the three TOMs (2 rack mounted and one floor tom), he used Sennheiser mikes 
(not sure of the model number) - all were placed about �" above each tom, at 
about a 45� angle. 

For the HI-HAT, he used a Shure SX12-48 (I think that's what it was!), and
just had it pointed horizontally towards the hi-hat, about level with the
hi-hat cymbals when its closed. 

And for the cymbals, he used an AKG 414 for one of them, and one Nuemann U87A 
for the other two (each placed about 4-6 inches above the cymbals). 

BTW, I should mention that the drums were in an isolation booth by themselves.

Each of the two guitars had their own isolation room. Dave Ickes' Boogie was
miked by an EV RE20, and Jack Barrier's Fender Twin was miked by a Yamaha
MZ204. On Dave's Boogie, the mike was placed about a foot in front of the
amp, pointed directly at it. For Jack's Twin, the mike was also pointed 
straight at it, but only about 6" out.

The bass was run directly into the board.

GENERAL RECORDING INFO
----------------------
First off, it should be noted that ALL instruments were recorded as dry as
possible, and effects added later. The guitars only had distortion on them,
and there was a bit of noise gating and compression on the drums, but that 
was about it. Everything else was added in mixdown. For Dave Ickes, that 
meant that he ended up abandoning his GSP-21, and going straight from his 
guitar into the Boogie.

The band recorded their basic tracks live, with the two guitars, bass, and
the drums all playing together. With the exception of the drummer, the rest
of us were all in one room. Everything was heard through the headphones, 
and I sang a guide vocals to go along with the music. There was also a click
track that was sent to us from the control room, which helped us out with 
the timing (and would allow us to go back and overdub the drums later, if
we needed to, which luckily we didn't).

Also, we tuned every instruments after every take! This was important, to 
keep everything sounding *just right*. Even being a tiny bit off made a really
big difference in the sound, and we had to go back and redo a couple parts
because someone was slightly out of tune.

All the instruments volumes were kept ALL the way up, at ALL times during the
recording process. I don't know why this was (shoulda asked!), but I know
Mike reminded and asked us several times to make sure the volume knobs were
all the way up on all the guitars. (Maybe its because he simply didn't want
us changing volume levels on him partway into recording, maybe there's some
other reason, I don't know....)

We worked on one song at a time, which means that we would get down a basic
track that we were happy with first. Then go back and punch in overdubs and
leads, and also re-record any tracks that had glaring errors. It turns out
that on each take, there was at least one guitar track to be re-done. For
the most part, we tried to get a good rhythm section take, and then redo the
guitars if needed.

THE SONGS
---------
Hard To Handle - This was the first song we did, and it took a few takes to
realize that the distortion was too thick on Dave Ickes guitar. After we
cut that back some, it was much better. Word of advice - a guitar that sounds
really good alone might sound terrible when mixed in with the band. Many 
times, you don't need a TON of distortion to get a good rockin' guitar tone.
Other than that, nothing special about this song really, pretty 
straightforward. No solos or anything.

Jenny Jenny (867-5309) - This was a touch more involved, because there were
three guitar parts instead of just two. But for the most part, it was no big
deal. We ended up getting a good rhythm section track, then going back and
re-recording all the guitars one at a time.

Bad Case Of Loving You - The problem with this song was again the guitar 
tones. This time around, Jack didn't have *enough* distortion on his guitar, 
it was too clean. We ended up going back and having re-cut his track, using
his guitar through Dave's Boogie. 

Cold Shot - We sort of whipped this one out real quick, before heading off to
lunch. Only took about 3 takes, and then the guitar lead was overdubbed later.

Wonderful Tonight - The most intricate of the songs, this is the only one 
which used all 16 tracks. There were four different guitar parts on here - 
two different rhythms (one picking the chords, the other simulated the organ
by playing double-stops), then the lead guitar, and finally an acoustic guitar
(doubling the picking rhythm). At first, we thought there was no reason to 
add the acoustic guitar in there, but then Mike suggested that we should do
it anyways. Luckily that happened, because the final mix sounds *fantastic*
with the acoustic in there! The acoustic (an Ovation Balladeer) was recorded 
in an isolation room, with the Neumman U87A mike placed about a foot or so 
in front of the soundhole. No signal was taken from the built-in pickup.

VOCALS
------
We knew vocals were going to be the key to a good tape, and we were also aware
that our background harmony vocals are the weakest part of the band. Because
of that, we specifically picked songs and sections of songs that minimized
the need for intricate harmony work. None of the pieces had more than one
harmony line to them, and we kept them pretty simple for the most part.

Hard To Handle - This one was a two-take effort, and I was really surprised at
how fast it was done. (I guess I expected to spend a lot more time on vocals
than we ended.) After two takes, we just had to punch in one line on the 
chorus, and it was done. No background vocals.

Jenny Jenny (867-5309) - Again, another quick one. I think this one was done 
in just one take, with no punch-ins. There were two background vocals parts
here - one is a harmony part during the verse, which was sung by Dave Nelson.
The other is the answering vocal during the chorus, which was sung by both
Dave Nelson and myself. This was done in two takes, with both of us singing
together live.

Bad Case of Loving You - I must have been getting cocky, after getting the
first two songs in one or two takes, because this one suddenly gave me all
sorts of problems. But I think mostly because my vocals weren't loud enough 
in my headphone mix, so I couldn't hear myself well. After a terrible first
take, I thought this one might give me problems, so I decided to save my 
voice and go on to the other songs. After doing "Cold Shot", we came back
to this one, and I was able to do a half-decent job the first time through.
We ended up punching in a couple lines that were a little sharp at the end
of the chorus, but nothing too bad. We then wanted to add a harmony to the
chorus, which was usually sung by Dave Ickes when we play it live. 
Unfortunately, it was tough for Dave to right in and sing that line, without
any warmups or anything, and he was having a tough time. I ended up giving it
a go, but it was touch too high for me to sing. In the long run, we ended up
slowing the tape down a touch, to drop the song a full step, and then I was
able to sing the harmony part no problem. Since we didn't actually slow the 
tape down that much, it didn't sound too Chipmunky when we sped it back up.

Cold Shot - I'm not sure, but I think this was another two-take song. I do
remember that I was singing and incorrect word, and had to go back and re-do
it again because of that! Again, nothing fancy though, and this went pretty
quick.

Wonderful Tonight - again, the most difficult of the songs we did. For some
reason, its much easier to sing on-key when you're shouting out and really
letting it rip, rather than singing quietly (or at least it is for me, I 
dunno if that;s a general rule or not). After two tries through, we decided
to record this one line at a time (yup! ONE line at a time!), so we could
get it just right. It took a bit of coaching from Mike to help me out, and
point out exactly where I was singing sharp (again with the sharp! I thought
most singers sang flat! Not me though...,.. I gotta be different!). After
doing the first and second line individually, I had a better feel for the
pitch, and was able to complete the verse all the way through. Then the bridge
had to be done several times also, trying to get it just right. This was sort
of a real pain, but Mike was patient with me and helped me through it. For
background vocals, we just added a single vocal singing "ooooh", to replicate
the album. This wasn't as bad as I feared, and actually was done in either one 
or two takes.

MIXING
------
Well, here's the critical part of the whole process - putting it all together!
To my surprise, the actual mixing of instrument levels took minimal time. Once 
they were set up, they pretty much stayed the same for all the mixes. But
the part that took all the time was adding in all the effects on different
instruments! Boy, what a pain!!!

This section is going to be mostly generalities, since I wasn't able to 
remember all the setting and effects Mike used on everything. For the most
part, the only things that Mike played with a lot were the reverbs (mostly
on the snare), and certain effects specific effects we wanted on the guitars
or vocals for each song. 

The first thing I have to mention - learn how to use something called Pitch
Modulation!!! This was used to a GREAT extent to help fill out the vocals 
and some of the guitar parts. What this basically does is takes the original
signal and duplicates it twice, one just above and once just below the pitch
of the original signal. This does three things - first, each of the two 
altered pitches are panned left and right, helping with the stereo imaging.
Second, it makes the vocals sound much more full and, well, for lack of a 
better word, more "professional" sounding. And third, it helps hide the 
little pitch variations in the vocals, which might show up otherwise. I guess
this effect has a touch of the "fix it in the mix" to it.

So - all the vocals were sent through pitch modulation. Some more than others, 
depending upon the effect we were looking for. For example, "Bad Case Of 
Loving You" is heavily modified, while "Cold Shot" is hardly touched at all,
so it retains that personal warmth that SRV had on the original. The 
background vocals were also fed through the pitch modulation, and usually had
a bunch of reverb thrown on them, so they sounded a bit "airy". Again, this
helped hide some of the inferiorities of the background vocals, making us
sound much better than we probably are!

When there were distorted guitars, these were pretty much left alone, except
for some basic reverb added to them. On the clean guitars, there was sometimes 
some pitch modulation, usually some chorus, and reverb. Also, on "Cold Shot",
we added some flange to the guitar (to help simulate an organ sound that's
on the record).

For the leads, it was pretty much the same as the other guitar parts, except
that there was some delay added on. (I should note that I was surprised that
delay wasn't used that much as an effect, it was mostly reverb and pitch 
modulation, and some chorus. Delays were not used much at all!)

Unfortunately, I didn't notice much else in the way of effects. I particularly 
wished I had noticed more EQ stuff, and more compression setting. But by
this time I had been there about 12 hours, and was starting to get pretty
beat! 

The first songs took about a half-hour to mix down, the following ones each
took about 20 minutes. Dave Ickes and I were the only ones to stay for the 
complete mixdown. For the most part, we just let Mike do the work, and then
we would make comments for suggestions. There were some minor things we
pointed out to him (certain effects we wanted, bringing up the snare a bit 
in "Bad Case Of Loving You", etc.), but for the most part he knew what we
wanted and was able to get the results on his own. I suppose it probably 
helped that we were doing cover songs, since he already knew what the 
originals sounded like.

SUMMATION
---------
Overall, we were incredibly pleased with the result, and the entire 
experience. For a minimal price, we were able to get a pretty high-quality
demo tape that we should be able to use to a variety of gigs. If it even
helps us get ONE show, it will pay for itself!

I truly believe that the recording was a success for two reasons: our 
preparations, and Mike West. 

We spent a LOT of time getting ready for this session, carefully mapping out
exactly what we wanted to accomplish, and practicing the parts to death. We
walked in there fully prepared, both musically and equipment-wise, and there
was no lost time. This was important, since we had a LOT to do, and we had
very little time to waste. As it was, we went over our allotted time by about 
a half-hour, but that was no big deal. But if we had been less prepared,
this session wouldn't have been nearly as successful.

And the other reason was Mike West himself. I gotta hand it to him, he really
knew what he was doing! The studio is right in his home, and he works there
full-time, usually 6-7 days a week. This is a big advantage, because he REALLY 
knows the equipment he's working with. There's no fumbling around with stuff
he's not familiar with, there's no wasted time on his part. He sits there and
twists knobs, and dials in sounds, all without a second thought, like the board
and the gear were an extension of himself. Also, he really know the rooms and
how miking things will sound, so we allowed him to dial in whatever tones he
wanted on the guitars and stuff. That worked out fine, again, because he knew
what he was doing. I guess we took a chance on allowing him so much freedom
to control our sound, but in this case were lucky enough that it all worked
out well. 

So - there's the key to a good recording. Good preparation, and a good 
engineer/producer! Keep that in mind, that both of those things are equally 
important. Before you step foot in that studio, you should have clearly
defined goals, and have a plan to reach them. (We had everything timed
out beforehand exactly, and came very close to sticking with those time!)
And make sure you get an engineer who knows his work, and knows the studio.
It will save invaluable time and energy.

Hope this all helps (anyone who got this far)! I know there's a lot of stuff
in here, some is probably good info, some is probably gibberish. If I think
of any more things that I've forgotten, I'll try and post an addendum. And
as I mentioned up top, feel free to ask any questions of me about any step
in the process, I'll try and answer as best I can!

alan
687.41GAMGEE::ROBRGecko&#039;s running wild in Hawaii!!Tue Apr 21 1992 03:4213
    
    You ended up going to West after all eh Alan?  I always liked the sound
    that came out of there.  I haven't been there in a LONG while but I
    guess it's gotten MUCH better.  I was there with Formicide in midsumm
    a few years ago, 90 out, no fan, no A.  Talk about heat exhaustion. 
    Are all the brothers still there?  I only saw you mention Mike.  How
    are the rooms set up now?  They used to have to the right of the booth,
    one room, with the drum room off of that one and two room behind you. 
    If you were all in one room (except the drummer) they must have changed
    things around since no way you could all squeeze in one of those tiny
    rooms before.
    
    
687.42DPE::STARRRed Wine and WhiskeyTue Apr 21 1992 12:3931
Hey Rob,

> You ended up going to West after all eh Alan?  

Yeah! I thought I had mentioned it to you (and thanked you for the reference)
in Mutterings, but maybe you don't get to read all of that stuff....

> I haven't been there in a LONG while but I guess it's gotten MUCH better.  
> I was there with Formicide in midsumm a few years ago, 90 out, no fan, no A.  

It was great for us! And yes, they have AC now. (Although we didn't need it,
except towards the end. I can imagine what it must be like in the summer!)

>    Are all the brothers still there?  I only saw you mention Mike.  

They're all involved, but only Mike is there full-time. He was the only one
that was there that day with us.

> How are the rooms set up now?  They used to have to the right of the booth,
> one room, with the drum room off of that one and two room behind you. 

Its still pretty much the same. The drummer was in the far back room. The
room right before that one (the one you have to go through) is now the 
keyboard room, and we were all in there. A little tight, but not too bad.
The guitar amps were in the hallway and in the small closet.

BTW, something I forgot to mention in the last article - the vocals were
recorded with the Nuemman U87A mike. I stood about a foot or so away from
the mike, except on the softer songs, where I stood about 8" from it. 

alan
687.43GAMGEE::ROBRGecko&#039;s running wild in Hawaii!!Wed Apr 22 1992 05:387
    
    Ah, I was probably on vacation when you mentioned it.  I came back and
    set seen 2000 notes or so :').  Glad to hear they are still reasonably
    priced and do a good job.  Now I know I can still safely recommend them
    :').
    
    
687.44Wicked_DiscWMOIS::MAZURKASon_of_A_Wicked_Good_TimeWed Oct 25 1995 15:0312
    NewBury Comics has opened their own Record_Label called"Wicked Disc".
    The first release is"This is Boston,not LA",A reIssue of the Classic
    HardCore Compilation.First time on CD.
    
    The First Band to sign is"MilkMoney"and The CD is Called"Wheelie".
    
    Wicked Disc 
    38 Everett St.
    Allston,MA  02134
    
    
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