Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    
    
    	Do I dare?
    
    	Well here goes.....
    
    	Of course I thought the performance by Jon and Richie was great.
    	I'm glad to see that Richie is coming more into the spotlight.
    	I think and hope that on the next album he will sing lead on
    	a song or two.
    
    
    	I don't think that Living Colour is that great that they deserved
    	as many awards as they got.
    
    	I don't like The Cult, The Cure or the Stones so I switched the
    	station when they were on...(go ahead....  :-)   )
    
    	I was glad to see Paula Abdul got a lot of awards and beat out
    	Bobby Brown.... I can't stand him!  
    
    	I loved seeing George Michael  (ok, now knock off the laughing!!)
    	
    	Madonna was good, but her "grabbing" herself and her two sidekicks
    	were a bit much.
    
    	Cher has a lot of guts....after her vid being banned after certain
    	hours I would have thought she would have worn something else.
    
    	And Andrew Dice Clay!!  He should just kiss his career goodbye!
    	I couldn't believe he did that!!  I heard on the news this morning
    	that MTV was not happy with him.  He told them he would clean up
    	his act and he did not use those jokes during the rehearsal.
    	Not cool.
    
    	I don't like Tom Petty but the duet with him and Axl was pretty
    	good.  But NOT Heartbreak Hotel....
    
    	All in all I enjoyed it I guess.....(although you probably couldn't
    	guess that from my note huh?)
    
    	Also, I have never once seen Neil Young's video that won for video
    	of the year!! 
    
    	JJ (who is probably going to get a ration of s**t for this note!!)
    
    

    
      What exactly did Dice do??? Say???....
    
    B.A.....6:30 comes early....
    
    

    	Well, by the time I got home last night, I was so busy packing
    	to go away that I forgot they were even on!!  Did someone tape
    	the show so I can borrow it to take a peek at what I missed?
                                                                    
    >>I don't think that Living Colour is that great that they deserved
    >>as many awards as they got.
      
    	I didn't particularly care for Living Colour all that much
    	when they first came out but I'm starting to like them more
    	and more.  (How many awards did they win anyway?)
    
    >>I was glad to see Paula Abdul got a lot of awards and beat out
    >>Bobby Brown.... I can't stand him!  
      
      	HAHAHA!!  That should deflate his ego a bit!!  (8
    
    	Tigga~~~~
        

Well, I ony caught the last hour or so (I also forgot that it was on), but 
here are my observations:

re: Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora


I thought they were really good! But you can really see that Jon is trying to 
become the Springsteen of the 90's - singing his big hits as acoustic numbers, 
telling little stories about his friends and when he was grwoing up, etc. Like 
J.J., I was glad to see Richie in the spotlight - he sang better than Jon 
(although Jon's voice was in better shape than it usually is).

re: The Rolling Stones

I was suprised at how good they sounded - at first I thought they were 
lip-syncing! My only regret is that they did "Mixed Emotions" - I would have 
preferred hearing an older song from them.

re: Paula Abdul

I was sorta touching that she was so moved by winning the awards. YOu could 
tell that she really appreciated the honor (unlike someone like Madonna). And 
I must admit, she looked pretty cute, too!

re: Cher

I still think she's disgusting!

re: Andrew Dice Clay!!  

He told a bunch of rude jokes (some of his nursery rhymes), and also used 
words like b*tch and sh*t. But I didn't think it was *that* uncool. Although 
I'm not a big fan of profanity on TV (when you know kids are watching), I do 
sorta applaud his "break-the-rules" attitude. I just think there may have been 
a better way to demostrate it. But at least he didn't compromise his act for 
the TV Gods.

re: Tom Petty

Well, I happen to like Tom Petty, so I was pretty happy to see him. I thought 
they sounded good, and was suprised that Axl's harmonies sounded so good. 

re: Neil Young

I love it!!! The video they banned from MTV won Best Video of the Year!!!! 
YEAH!!!! (And its a great video, too!)

cat

Arsenio was FLAMING with Andrew Dice Clay.....I would have dragged him of the
stage...he was DISGUSTING!  

I lost all respect (what little I had) for Madonna...she was a bit too
egotistical for my tastes.

I HATE PAULA ABDUL!!!!  Don't get me wrong...I love her music, and I think
she deserved every award she got, but I stopped counting at 23 for her
Reebock commercials.  <PUKE!>  I'll never be able to hear that song again.

Bobby Brown's voice was TERRIBLE live.  Goes to show what computer's can do
for you.

Robert Smith (The CuRE) looked scared to death being up there....but those
puppy dog eyes of his made me melt (he really is cute under all that makeup).
They were really bad compared to when I saw them in concert on Monday night.

Jon and Richie (sp?)....  Wonderful!  I really enjoyed the duet...I was
really impressed with Jon's dedication of the song....I think the guy has
talent (as does Richie), and I think that anyone that says he doesn't is
just jealous... :-)  

Tom and Axl.  WONDERFUL!  (Axl looks gross in a beard, though).  The 
harmonizing of the two voices gave a really interesting sound to the 
music.  They looked good together, they all played good together.

Duff's comment about Metallica was *WAY* outta line (evidently Metallica
won the category in the Grammys and Gn'R won it here?)  Anyway, I thought
it was wicked tacky.

Most of the performances were great except for Bobby Brown's.

BTW...for those of you that missed it LIVE, they played it again right 
afterwards, and I believe it will be on another night this week.

WAY TO GO Neil Young!  I thought all the other nominees for best video
were trash....not even in the running.

/wildkat

    
    All these previous replies mean nothing to us Brits who don't
    get MTV! What category did GnR win? What did Duff say?
    
    Andy                                          

    
    
    	Yeah, I forgot about the FYC's...
    	I can't stand them either....the lead singer gives
    	me the eebie jeebies.
    

    RE.6
    "Robert Smith (The CuRE) looked scared to death being up there....but
    those puppy dog eyes of his made me melt (he really is cute under all that
    makeup)."
          
    I don't really want to start a discussion but.....
    <SET MODE=FLAMING>
    Robert Smith of the Cure is about as cute as getting your finger
    nails pulled out!  (IMO)
    He was interviewed on MTV Europe and had some really sarcastic things
    to say about Metal and those of us who love it.  Basically it sounded
    to me as if he has finally realised that people love R&R, and couldn't
    stand the "END OF THE WORLD IS HERE" type monotonous vocals that
    he has.
                      
    <SET MODE=FLAMELESS>
    
    RE.7
    
    I get MTV in Scotland...... (on cable)<insert wicked grins>
    
    
    Bonzo

    Duff was COMPLIMENTING Metallica!  He basically said, "Guns n' Roses
    is accepting the Heavy Metal award for Metallica after the "screwup"
    at the Grammies."  At the Grammies, Jethro Tull won the award for Best
    Hard Rock/Heavy Metal.
    
    		- Paul

RE: .11

Is that what happened?  I only caught the word "Metallica" and then heard the 
crowd booing and the deathly look on Arsenio's face.

If he was complimenting Metallica, that's great!  :-) but that's not what it 
seemd like happened....and i couldn't hear what he said. Metallica was
nominated, right?  

/kath

    Ok, I've been pretty busy today and I wanted to say a few things about
    the show, sorry to get in on this late.

    I've only watched bits and pieces of it, as we were having band
    practice and it was being taped I wasn't paying attention, but we did
    stop a couple of times and watch.  No comments on the quality of my
    bands practices please, this was a very unusual one and not everyone
    was there.  The TV is not usually on and we don't usually stop for
    those trivial type distractions.

    To be the show got off to a bad start with Madonna up there dancing
    around and feeling herself off within the first five minutes.  She's
    revolting.  Her little diatribe just before introducing George Michael
    (gag) was about the most disgusting exhibition of egotistical excess
    I've ever seen.

    I was pleased to see that Living Colour got a bit of recognition. They
    are an excellent band and I thought that they seemed to really
    appreciate the honor, as did Paula Abdul.  Now, I don't care for
    Paula's music, I'll turn it off whenever I can, but she did seem fairly
    genuine.  (but the Reebok commercials *were* too much)

    Perhaps I misread Duffs intentions, but I thought that his comment on
    Metallica and the Grammys was an insult.  I have it on tape so I'll
    have to watch it again.  I thought that it was interesting that Izzy
    wasn't there/didn't go up with them.  I could just hear them saying
    "Sorry Izzy couldn't be here tonight, he's in jail for peeing on a
    plane".  ;^)

    I thought that Def Leps performance was pretty lame, but the Stones
    sounded remarkably good.  The highlight performance for me was The Cure
    (sorry Bonz...I like 'em).  I had to turn my head away (to retain my
    dinner) when Bobby Brown performed.  Naturally the mute was on for
    that.  

    I also muted Bon Jovi and Richie, but the part I heard Richie sounded a
    lot better then Jon.  I think Alans right, they're trying to be the
    Stringbean of the '90s.  Since I don't like Bruce S, I don't like the
    stuff they're doing toward that end either.

    Andrew Dice Clay...hmmm.  He was incredibly offensive regardless of
    what media he was on but his choice of material was especially poor for
    prime time public TV.  I might (and have) watched him on HBO or
    something at a different time, but I thought that routine was totally
    inappropriate in that context.  I hear that MTV offered a public
    apology for his performance and has stated that he will never again
    appear on MTV (like he'd been on there a lot before anyway, huh?).  I
    didn't notice, did they cut his monologue when they played the show
    back the second time? 

    Speaking of comedians, that whiny guy with all the ailments (Richard
    Lewis?) really bombed!  I almost felt sorry for him, but didn't because
    I hate that routine so much.  Arsenio should have cut that poor guy off
    before he made such a big fool of himself.

    I thought that Axl sounded completely awful when doing those two songs
    with Tom Petty.  I like Petty (although not the song that he did or the
    Elvis tune especially).  Axl needs to learn a new dance too...

    Overall it was about what I expected...another pulp awards show that
    rewards those with better choreography then musical talent.  The only
    thing I was really thankful for in that show was the absence of that
    disgusting female that Kurt Loder has had with him the last few times
    I've seen him.  

    re: Whoever put in that Jethro Tull comment a few notes back

    While you are fully entitled to your opinion on the band, the 
    discussion in *this* note has nothing to do with them.  Nobody was
    "picking on them", they did not need your defense.  Why do you feel you
    must interject your rude, abrasive comment here?  Please don't put
    irrevelant notes into a discussion.  If you want to discuss Jethro Tull
    or praise them or whatever, there is a note specifically for that
    purpose.  Don't try to cause trouble in here.

    re: those that responded to the Jethro Tull comment
    
    Please don't encourage this type of thing.
    
    GH

Greg>>  Axl needs to learn a new dance too...



	 You're kidding, right?  Axl can move like that ANYDAY for
	 me...  He can move better than any HM guy I've seen.....Those
	 HIPS!  <whew!  is it getting hot in here?>  :-)


	 One more thing...I was *REALLY* impressed with DJ Jazzy Jeff
	 and Fresh Prince.  When they accepted their award, they said
	 (paraphrased) "this is a dream.  So, kids, lay off the drugs
	 and the alcohol and, with ambition this dream can be yours.
	 You will be up here."

	 I loved it.....

	 /kath

                Did ADC do his normal act or something?  What did
                he do exactly?    Nobody  has  answered that yet!
                (Maybe  .5  Alan did,  but  I  didn't  feel  like
                reading through the whole note,  other than that,
                I read everything else ...)
                
                

    
    	I took the comment about Metallica as a compliment.
    
        What I remember them saying was something like, "We're accepting
    this for Metallica, because they were ripped off at the Grandma's".
    
    Paul 

    
    Re: Rob
    
    	He did a few (2?) new nursery rhymes and some of the old ones.
    He did a couple of heavy girl jokes along the line of stuff he's done
    before.  Different jokes but same ideas.                             
    
    Paul

    I took Duff's comment as a compliment to Metallica too, the booing
    was probably from the die hard G 'n R fans that wanted them to keep
    it ....
    
    Jethro Tull ... I agree with what Mr. House said ... sheesh ...
    
    ADC's jokes ... I taped it and haven't seen that part yet, I'll
    have to check it out when I get home.  I'm a sucker for fat chick
    jokes anyway (it should be a law that fat chicks CANNOT wear tank
    tops with or wiithout a bra ... peeeeuke !).
    
    
    				Scary

    There's a pretty good writeup of the show in today's Boston Globe (for
    what it's worth, he took the Metallica comment as a compliment, too).
    It's got a complete list of the award winners.
    
    		- Paul

    A few back someone mentioned that they were wondering where Izzy of 
    Guns 'n' Roses was.  I thought he was the guy on the black Les Paul
    during Axl's and Tom Petty's set.  If someone has it taped maybe they
    could take a closer look and confirm/deny this.  It sure looked like
    him.  Tom Petty has only one guitar player and he was quite evident at
    the front of the stage.
    
    				the bomb
    

>    A few back someone mentioned that they were wondering where Izzy of 
>    Guns 'n' Roses was.  I thought he was the guy on the black Les Paul
>    during Axl's and Tom Petty's set.  

I thought the same thing, so you're not the only one! 

cat

P.S. Rob, you shoulda read my note - I did answer that question!  8^)

    Acordding to a report that i heard on headline news yesterday Izzy
    was there, and he and Vince Neal got in a fist fight backstage over
    what described as a personal matter.
    
    Rock Brigador

    Well, I'm reeeeeaaaallly sorry if I've hurt some of your HEAVY METAL
    feelings, but I'm a little fed up with all these minor weights nicking
    Jethro Tull not only on the tube but in this here conference (if
    you care to examine your backnote on the Grammys). And who made
    you King o' the Conference anyway? If you're so into the metal thing,
    how come you get all upset when someone does a little hacking on
    YOUR favourite artist? Wimp,wimp,wimp,wimp,wimp,and so on....
    
    When Tull was touring the world and laying down the framework for
    future metal/classic/folk/rock groups, the guys in Motley Crue were
    probably still busy being a nuisance to their grade school
    teachers, and while I can appreciate what the metal genre has to
    offer to music it is obvious that a lot of the people in this
    conference are ignorant to all but a very narrow band in the total
    music spectrum.
                                              
                                                   RF
    
    
                                                   RF
    

    re.35
    	Yeah, so Jethro Tull is an old band. So what?
    
    You're probably right about a few HM fans being fans of a narrow
    spectrum of music, but if you're generalizing, then you are definitely
    mistaken. Look in the note that lists the conference contributors
    favorite non-metal musicians. 
    	Jethro Tull gets respect in here, as I'm sure they do 
    in HM band circles, but NOT as a heavy metal band (at least in
    my, and a lot of other folks' books). 
    	When they were voted best HM band at the Grandma's, it was
    kind of funny, because they aren't even considered a HM band!!
    
    That's the big deal. Relax... I think YOU are being a bit 
    of what you are accusing us of.
    
    /Motorbreath...Metallica is HM, Tull is, well, whatever it is.

    re .35 Tull is an old band.
    
    
    Sure they are, real old in fact. I'm sure you think they have great
    songs. I can appreciate that. Personally, I have never liked *any*
    Jethro Tull song. I also never liked the old Boston Celtic teams that
    were winning championchips when Magic Johnson and James Worthy were
    bugging their gradeschool teachers. What about Chuck Berry, or Buddy
    Holly or any of the early pioneers of rock? Were they not actually
    paving the way for Tull while Tull was bugging their gradeschool
    teachers? Like .36 said, Tull winning "Best Heavy Metal Band" is a
    joke. They were certainly not the best heavy metal band last year. It's
    like Mike Schmidt getting voted to the all-star game even though he
    didn't deserve  it this year. I think the award was given out by people
    like you who seem to have this fetish for the past. Maybe they deserved
    some sort of award in the past but certainly not this year. I am also
    not one of the sensitive ones who get offended every some one flames
    metallica or anyone else. There are Tull fans in this file that I'm
    sure would be happy to discuss their music with you. 
    
    Hope this helps
    
    
    the devil dog.
    
    p.s. you still haven't said why...

    Well, JT was never really much of a HM band, but boy could Ian write
    some lyrics. Still one of my favorite bands, even tho' they haven't
    done much lately..
    
    -rt

    I think it's been mentioned before but since few of you seem to
    have seen it ;^)  
    
    
    	Tull did not win the grammy for best Heavy Metal Band.  They won the
    grammy for best Heavy Metal/HARD ROCK album, namely, "Crest of a
    Knave".  Whether you agree with this or not, the real argument here
    should be that the grammys would be better off with two separate
    awards, one for Heavy Metal and one for Hard Rock.  Tull would qualify
    under hard rock in most people's books.  I doubt that the people who
    pick the grammy winners know enough about the subtleties of rock music
    to make the distinction, however.  I tend to ignore all types of award
    shows, they seldom deal with reality in the first place.  Don't let
    them bother you.
    
    
    					the bomb

    To quote Eddie Murphy...
    
    "What have you done for me lately !?!"

    jc

    AH HA! This is the question. What is the distinction between hard
    rock and heavy metal. Personally, I feel it is a matter of evolution
    and what came first. When JT was in it's infancy, blues was all
    the rage in America and Britain. Groups had to do music which fell
    into this category. But, as Ian Anderson (front man for Tull) explained
    it: "I got tired of borrowing the black man's riffs and decided
    to delve into my own cultural background". Where would metal be
    today if all the Jimmy Pages and Tony Iommis of the world had just kept
    hammering out the same old blues patterns?           
    
    Also, in Tulls most successful years, there were no TV awards shows
    for groups to appear on. All there was was Midnight Special and Don
    Kirshners  Rock to showcase the latest talent. The heavy groups
    then were considered underground and received no airplay or at least
    very little. Big players like Genesis, King Krimson and Yes made
    it on word-of-mouth only. Just like Metallica did when they were
    starting off. This whole awards show business has taken them all
    out of the realm of mystery and imagination and into the world of
    common commercialism. Who wudda thunk? James Hetfield on my TV along
    with Pepsi and other consumer products....
                                                    RF
    

    re: .35
    
    In my previous reply, I was not objecting to giving an award to Jethro
    Tull so much as I was objecting to the manner in which you voiced your
    opinion.
    
    As far as Jethro Tull getting that award; I don't think they deserved
    it because the Grammy is a yearly thing and while JT has put out some
    good music in the career, I personally thought that the album they put
    out that year was VERY weak compared to their other material, and
    especially weak when compared to the other nominees for that award. 
    There was some powerful music put out last year, why not award some of
    it rather then a lame attempt at a come-back from a good but long
    dormant band?
    
    gh

>>    it because the Grammy is a yearly thing and while JT has put out some
>>    good music in the career, I personally thought that the album they put
>>    out that year was VERY weak compared to their other material, and
>>    especially weak when compared to the other nominees for that award. 
  
    	Thank you, Greg.  Once again you've read my mind.  (8
    
    
	Tigga~~~

    Alright, now that we're back on track, I thought the show was just a
    hair better than lame.
    
    With the exceptions of the Cure, who I thought were pretty cool, and
    sounded the best there.
    I have to say the Cult was good, because they were.  Actually, they
    were just alright.  Ian's voice was off a little bit.  
    Bon Jovi actually were good.  They sounded good, and were just hanging
    out, being cool.
    
    As for bad performances, that pretty much leaves everyone else.
    Def Leppard, who were great when I saw them on Hysteria, really sounded
    terrible, and the new song is bad.
    I can't stand Tom Petty, and Axl just couldn't help him.
    Bobby Brown sounded terrible.
    Madonna sounded alright, but she's a pathetic excuse for a person.
    The Stones were lame.
    
    That's all I can remember.  I thought it was good that they didn't have
    the whole show overdubbed.  If they actually had the bands playing, it
    probably would have been a lot worse.  That just left it up to the
    vocalists to carry the band.
    
    I also thought that G&R's dedication of their only award was cool to
    Metallica.  G&R don't win that many awards, and for them to give it
    away was a good gesture.
    
    That's about it.
    Steve

    Well, I watched this again paying a little more (or is that "little
    more"...) attention this time.  Thank goodness I was able to fast
    forward through the commercials and crappola, 'cause that was about 90%
    of the show.
    
    I thought that of the performances, I enjoyed The Cure the most.
    I thought that The Cult was really good too (makes me wanna go buy a
    Les Paul).  The Stones were pretty good and pretty much the rest was
    either poor or not to my taste.  Axl sounded purely awful.
    
    I couldn't tell if the other guitar player with Petty and all was Izzy
    or not, they never really showed him.  Could have been though.
    
    I didn't think that Robert Smith looked scared at all.
    
    I now reconsider my first impression about what Duff said about
    Metallica.  It was definately a complement.  I think the reason that I
    didn't think so before was that Metallica was also nominated for the
    award that GnR won.
    
    Gotta go, just wanted to drop this here quickly.
    
    Greg
        

    
    	What did Duff say about METALLICA????
    
    KB  ( I like to be different_
    
    

    
    I think Duff actepted an award on behalf of Metallica because they
    should have won it last year.....
    
    or summit like that.
    
    Flip

    Here is what happened to clear all the speculation up once and for all!
    
    In the Grammy awards earlier this year, Metallica was nominated for
    best heavy metal/hard rock album, along with Jethro Tull, Jane's
    Addiction, and Iggy Pop.
    
    Jethro Tull won the award (although in my own opinion, that was one of
    Tull's worst albums) and now everyone's upset because they think anyone
    should have won except J.T.  
    FYI: Next year's Grammy's will have separate categories for Heavy Metal
    and Hard Rock.
    
    During the MTV Awards (which is what we're talking about, remember?)
    Metallica, G&R and some other bands were nominated for best metal
    video, which G&R won.  When accepting their award, Duff definetly
    complimented Metallica by saying that they are dedicating their award
    to Metallica because they should have won at the Grammys.
    
    Simple, eh?
    Steve

From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: clari.news.music
Subject: Winners at the 1990 MTV Music Video Awards
Date: 7 Sep 90 05:27:15 GMT
Priority: major


	Best female -- Sinead O'Connor, ``Nothing Compares 2 U.''
	Best group -- B 52s, ``Love Shack.''
	Best new artist -- Michael Penn, ``No Myth.''
	Best video from a film -- Billy Idol, ``Cradle of Love'' from ``Ford
Fairlane.''
	Best dance video -- M.C. Hammer, ``U Can't Touch This.''
	Best choreography -- Janet Jackson and Anthony Thomas for ``Rhythm
Nation.''
	Best direction -- David Fincher for Madonna's ``Vogue.''
	Best video -- Sinead O'Connor, ``Nothing Compares 2 U.''
	Best male -- Don Henley, ``The End of the Innocence.''
	Best metal/hard rock -- Aerosmith, ``Janie's Got A Gun.''
	Best rap -- M.C. Hammer, ``U Can't Touch This.''
	Best post-modern -- Sinead O'Connor, ``Nothing Compares 2 U.''
	Breakthrough video -- Tears For Fears, ``Sowing the Seeds of Love.''
	Best special effects -- Jim Blashfield for Tears For Fears ``Sowing
the Seeds of Love.''
	Best art direction -- Martin Lasowitz for B52s ``Love Shack.''
	Best editing -- Jim Haygood for Madonna's ``Vogue.''
	Best cinematography -- Pascal Lebeque for Modonna's ``Vogue.''

    I know this may be a dumb question but...
    
    
    
    HOW DA HELL CAIN SH*THEAD O'CONNER WIN BESTEST VIDEO?????
    
    That may as well have been Suzanne Vega singinng Puka.'Cept Vega's vid
    had more imagination to it. The music world truly weeps after some of
    the travesties on the eMTyV awards. What a sham!

    Skinhead got best video??  For which one?
    
    Wierd.  I like her music and all, but I thought both of the videos I've
    seen were pretty lackluster.
    
    gh

    I think her music is acceptable, but take away the Aural Exciters,
    Harmonizers and other F/X and she probably can't sing worth pea-soup.
    
    I hate MTV for doing this to us.
    
    jc (Sinead O'Conner indeed)

    
    	re: coop
    
    	I think you're right.  On top of winning three awards, she 
    	performed too.  I thought it was terrible.
    
    	JJ
    
    	

    You'd be surprised how many vocalists sound absolutely terrible without
    effects.  It's amazing how much they add.
    
    Try and picture Ozzy without that chorus on this voice...
    
    gh

    In the old days, you could tell who played studio games with their
    voice by seeing them live.  Technology has brought back the guess work.
    
    Mike

    You should hear me sing Little Teaser without delay, compression and
    chorus !  Sounds like a cat fight  ;)  !
    
    jc

    Hey, but now most bands use the same techno-stuff live ... no
    difference.
    
    Check out the MUSIC file sometime and listen to all the pro-shinehead
    fans rave about her.  To each his own though ... but could you imagine
    (uh, this is for guys, and some adventuresome girls ...) waking up next
    to her after throwing a good drunk the night before.  Yeah .. I can
    picture Jack Daniels yak running into her ears ... 8^)
    
    Scary ... yeah, that is pretty Scary indeed.

    
    I've seen Ozzy live twice, he sounds fine.
    
    F.

    
    
    Okay, so now we have it...
    
    Sinbad O'Conner is really Ozzy Osbourne with a skull cap on!! 
    
    Wagagagagagagaga!

    Actually I think Skinbag's face is beautiful... the hair thing, well...
    it's not much worse than someone wearing a wig, is it?
    
    /Motorbreath..right Rob?!??! ;^)

    re: Francine

    It wasn't a qualitative statement.  Whether you like how it sounds, I
    was just saying you *never* hear Ozzy sing without a chorus on his
    voice, live or otherwise.  He's technologically dependent.

    I personally think he's got a great rock & roll voice, but he sounds
    totally different without effects processing his voice.  Listen to him
    on the old Was Not Was album "Born To Laugh At Tornadoes" where he did a
    guest spot on one song.  You can't even recognize his voice there
    because you're used to hearing it with that chorus.

    gh

    
    Well I'm not mad or anything..
    
    i can't remember the concerts too well but I thought he was singing
    by himself..
    
    IMO Ozzy live even if the just talks to the crowd is fine with me!!
    
    what about early Sabbath?
    
    F.

    I wasn't comparing Ozzy's music with Sinead's (clearly they're so
    wildly different that any attempt at comparison would be pointless),
    just saying that they both make heavy use of effects on the vocals,
    that's all.
    
    Someone a few notes back said they didn't like Sinead because her
    vocals sounded processed.  I just pointed out that practically everyone
    uses vocal processing these days and that makes a signature sound for
    many singers (like Ozzy, Peter Gabriel, and others).  It's not a bad
    thing IMO.  I like effects on vocals.  Personally I never noticed it
    that much on Sineads, but I don't listen to her music that much.
    
    I'd have to go back and listen, but I *thought* that even the old
    Sabbath stuff sounded that way.  Could be wrong on that though.
    
    gh
                                                                    

    Listen to Black Sabbath's LIVE AT LAST. There is no effects on his
    voice.. There is some cheap distortion on the guitar that causes
    feedback when Iommi is not playing it