Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    
        What was the outcome of the lawsuit against KISS?
    
    	They filmed a video in front of a store, and the owner of
    	said store didn't appreciate the "negative publicity" he
    	expected to get over it.
    
                                                       GTI
    

    
    Latest update on Sebastian..... Last night at the Springfield Civic
    Center Seb through a bottle out into the audience and it hit some
    seventeen year old girl in the face.  Anyway he got arrested and spent
    the night in jail.  Anyway he went to court today and got let off on
    10,000 bail.
    
                FYI - Heard this on WAAF today. - Kim

    
    	Nit..
    
    	Do you mean Threw???
    
    BK
    

    Ya'know... 
    
    I like their music, but I can't stand looking at them or listening to
    Seb when he's not singing.  What a bozo!
    
    gh

    As I heard it....Someone in the audience threw a bottle on the
    stage....which broke and Sebastian just picked up a broken piece
    of it and threw back.  Dumb move.
    
    I remember a number of concerts where things like bottles and other
    "heavy" objects came sailing from the audience onto the stage.
    Led Zepplin for one....Bonham got hit off the head and got up and
    walked off stage.  The same thing happened at a Rush concert.  
    Geddy finally stopped singing and asked people to stop throwing
    things.  
    
    What happened to the security....when I went to see the Crue...they
    just about stripped searched me....and I don't look like your basic
    "hell raising" type !!!!
    
    TicketWench

                That also happened at a Journey concert.  Someone
                threw a bottle  and  hit  Neil Schon in the head.
                He was bleeding pretty  good from the gash on his
                forehead.  Steve Perry was pretty p�$$ed about it
                too, but at least he didn't throw it back  at the
                crowd.  
                
                Makes you want to take the person  that  threw it
                and run `em through a meat grinder.
                
                Seb still  shouldn't  have  thrown it back, since
                his chances of hitting the person that originally
                threw it were infinite  !  Does this guy think at
                all ? 
                
                Reminds me of a short  clip I saw in a RIP mag, I
                believe,  last  month.  He said  something  about
                moving  to  the  Orient  so he could  do  massive
                amounts of Opium.  Sounds like a hipocrite to me.
                Wasn't he at the Moscow  Peace Festival preaching
                `No to drugs' ?  
                
                METALord"�_must_still_be_in_BASH_mode_! :^)

    
    
    	I heard the same thing Candy did.  Something about MORE
    	than one bottle being thrown up on stage and they finally
    	got PO'd about it and Seb threw a bottle back into the
    	crowd.
    
    	Now how bottles were allowed there in the first place, 
    	I'll never know!
    
    	Tigga~~~

    Don't you guyz get searched over there before entering any concert
    venue!  When I saw Rush at the SECC (Scottish Exhibition & Conference
    Centre) I was searched three times before getting in!
    
    As Tony can tell you, I don't look the lunatic type.
    
    
    Bonzo

    
    	Well, Sebastian (Skid Row) has pleaded innocent (so far)
    	to assault charges in the bottle incident.
    
    							GTI
    

    He beat the guy that threw the bottle and that is why he was charged
    with two counts of Assault and Battery.

    Sebastian is free,on bail today.And a caller on AAF,said
    that SEb,did not throw the bottle.He kiked it back off the
    stage,and after seeing it hit the girl,he jumped off the stage
    and was shacking the guy that threw the bottle,but was not beating 
    on him.
    

    
    
    There are thousands of people there what would posses him to
    kick it back off the stage!!!  You have to figure someone is
    going to get hurt!!!  SEB is jerk IMO!!!!!  HE is in control
    of the crowd he should have picked the bottle up and given
    it to the road crew then said something.  If I was the girl
    whose face got cut up I'd be suing him PDQ!!!!!
    
    

    
    I haven't heard that she is going to.  
    
    The story I heard was that he was drinking a beer when he came out.
    When he finished the beer he whipped the bottle into the audience
    and it smashed in her face. 
    
    Regardless of what happened his butt should be fried!!!
    
    Rae

    
    	i haven't really read through these particular notes but what
    exactly was the damage incurred?

    
    The girl got hit in the face with the bottle and had to be rushed
    to the hospital for many stiches.  From what was on WAAF this
    morning, her cousin called in her face is quite the mess.

    
    As in anytthing there are 3 sides to every story yours, mine and the
    truth.  Who knows what really happened.  Regardless it is a shame.
    
    

    Pete's the only person who's making sense. Great job Pete.

    IMO Seb probably did not drink the beer or whatever was in the
    bottle... All the shows I have worked the road crew sets the drinks up 
    either off stage or onstage. Bottled beer is poured into drinking cups 
    if they happen to drink something that night. Most bands only use
    alcohol onstage as a prop. Most if not all cups are filled with water.
    I hardly doubt Seb brought the bottle up onstage.  There are many bottles 
    after a show on the ground in front of the stage brought in by the
    crowd.   
    
    Again just MHO...
    
    DECrew -

    Is it something about Aerosmith shows that there is always a big
    drinking incident?
    
    When I saw them in '87  on NYE, there was some guy who looked like he
    had been dead for about 7 years, and on top of that he was so hammered
    he couldn't even stand up.  The guy standing next to him was cool about
    it, and tried to help him, but then the guy wandered out into the aisle
    and fell down the stairs, only to be collected by security.
    
    It's ridiculous.
    
    Or he could be like Jaymz Hetfield and scream "STOP THROWING FU**ING
    S**T AT ME!!!!"
    
    About Seb, it's too bad that happened.  When you're freaking out
    onstage it's hard to keep your wits about you, and he just got out of
    control.  He should still get the fine, but he's no more an a$$ than
    JBJ would be if he did it.  Seb's a prick anyway.
    
    S

    
    	Hopefully Seb ..FINISHED..all the beer...I'd hate to see him
    waste it like that....it's a shame...
    
    	John Cougar Melonhead got clocked by a bottle once..left the
    stage for a few minutes and then cam back and sung Hurts so good...
    
    BK
    

    >Is it something about Aerosmith shows that there is always a big
    >drinking incident?
    >
    >When I saw them in '87  on NYE, there was some guy who looked like he
    >had been dead for about 7 years, and on top of that he was so hammered
    >he couldn't even stand up.  The guy standing next to him was cool about
    >it, and tried to help him, but then the guy wandered out into the aisle
    >and fell down the stairs, only to be collected by security.
    
    So what's new?  Joe Perry was at all the old A-smith shows...
    
    ;^)

    I saw Asmith at the Boston Rathole back in `75 on their Toys tour.  I
    don't know how wasted the band was, but Joe Perry was layin into this
    mega-blues lead, doin the Chuck Berry backwards duck-walk thing.
    Anyways, this guy in the front row reaches out and yanks Joe's leg out
    from under him, landing him and his guitar on the floor!  Joe then
    stands up, and proceeded to wing his black Les Paul Custom over the
    guy's head!!  Security dragged the guy outta the arena, with everyone
    kicking him as they dragged him down the aisle!
    
    I never heard of Joe landing in jail for assault, or the guy filing
    charges over that one...guess times have changed, huh?
    
    But then again, that was when concert goers consisted of bikers, rock
    musicians, and druggies...all in their 20s/30s.  It was rare in those
    days to see a teenager there!  Now, its a totally different story!

    Right, I've called up my local Cybernaught Death Squad leader to gather
    the crew and go get the idiot that threw the bottle at Seb!
    
    I'd just like to point out that when we mentioned Vince Neil throwing
    his mike stand into the crowd *he* wasn't called a jerk!
    
    Flip
    
    ps.	Rae, the CD and the netire singles collection is in the post!  8^)
    
    

    
    
    	I figured Flip HAD to be out since she didn't come to
    	Seb's rescue sooner!  (8 (8
    
    	AHEM... you got something against Vince, HUH!  (^;
    	(8
    
    	Tigga~~~

    
    You lot happen to be ripping apart the man I love!
    
    
    Seb + Flip
     2 Gether
     4 Ever!
    
    

    I don't remember that incident with the mike stand, but I've thought
    that Vince was a jerk for a long time.  That deal with Razzle is a
    perfect example.  Why is it that celebrities get off when they perform
    heinous crimes?
    
    gh 

    re.37
    Okay, Vince is a jerk?
    
    Would you have told the court "no no no, have no mercy on me, don't
    let me get out of this for a measly million and a half dollars, I
    don't deserve that, just throw me in jail for 15-20 years!"
    	
    	If you were to look at the many publicized cases against famous/rich 
    people in the last few years, you'd see that more often than not, they
    are made examples of, and got harsher sentences than non-celebs,
    because they are so high profile. I don't agree with you at all.
    
    	NOW... you want to talk about people getting off easy because
    they are involved in politics/the justice system.... that's a different
    story... or how about how many women get mercy from police on
    driving infractions because of their sex... etc. etc. etc.
    
    	I've done things that were out-of-control, and regretted it,
    celebrities are no more angelic than you or I.
    	I appreciated Vince's Rockers Against Drugs commercial, and 
    the clean lifestyle he tries to live now.
    
    /Motorbreath

    >Okay, Vince is a jerk?
    
    I always thought he was a jerk, regardless of whatever happened with
    his trial and all that.  The reply I was responding to basically said
    "Nobody thought Vince was a jerk for maliciously throwing stuff into
    the crowd at a show".  I consider that sort of action inappropriate for
    *any* performer.  Perhaps his personal life is different, I don't know
    him personally.  His personal life is none of my business.
    
    >Would you have told the court "no no no, have no mercy on me, don't
    >let me get out of this for a measly million and a half dollars, I
    >don't deserve that, just throw me in jail for 15-20 years!"
    
    Is that a direct quote?  Quite honestly, I never heard any of the
    details of his trial.  
    
    I just know that he was convicted of felony drunk driving and
    manslaughter and spent a maximum of a few months in jail.  How long
    would you be in jail if you killed someone while driving intoxicated?
    
    >	If you were to look at the many publicized cases against famous/rich 
    >people in the last few years, you'd see that more often than not, they
    >are made examples of, and got harsher sentences than non-celebs,
    >because they are so high profile. I don't agree with you at all.
    
    I have never heard of a major celebrity receiving a long term jail
    sentence even though they might have performed some crime which anyone
    else would have gotten at least 3-5 years for.  Drug busts happen quite
    often to people in the music industry (probably because the practically
    advertize their heavy use of them) and they get off by playing a
    charity show or with a fine.  Hardly what I'd call a harsh sentence.
    
    Maybe a couple of examples of these abnormally harsh sentences would
    clarify this situation for me.
    
    gh

    Zsa Zsa didn't get off... Stacy Keach spent a lot time in jail
    for drug charges...granted it wasn't in the U.S.
    I also remember a segment on just this subject on the Today show,
    where it was stated that, on the average, famous/rich people actually
    got harsher sentences than the average person, since judges knew
    they were high-profile cases that would draw attention to them, and
    also to make examples of them.
    
    /Motorbreath

    
    	Didn't he and Linda get bagged in London?
    
    							GTI
    

Paul got busted in Japan - I don't remember the exact city (Tokyo?)....

There seems to evidence on both sides, I guess. Keith Richards was convicted 
of possession of herion in Canada, and only had to do a benefit concert to get 
out of it. 

Although the guy from Motley Crue got off light, the same may have happened to 
anyone with a previously clean driving and arrest record. Its pretty rare to 
see them throw some yuppie in jail just because he f***ed up once like that - 
usually its detox for a while, suspension of license, and a fine.

alan

    I believe it was Tokyo....anyone remember when Dwayne Glasscock
    of WBCN called over there to get him released !!!!!  I miss those
    Saturday morning adventures of the $6 clone....;-)

    
    	I think Zsa Zsa should have gotten the chair...
    
    BK
    

    I saw a show recently and don't remember what it was.  I think it might
    have been a bit of MTV news where they interviewed several people
    involved in the entertainment industry (not the celebs themselves, but
    agents or something like that) who basically said that it was *very*
    common for celebreties to get off when having committed crimes.  They
    added that the gross majority of these never come to press.
    
    They gave a bunch of examples too...
    
    I know this is pretty ambiguous since I can't remember the source or a
    lot of the details.  Sorry about that, but it seemed pretty convincing
    at the time.  Perhaps someone else saw it and could add more details.
    
    Greg

    
     I didn't see the news thing that Greg is talking about but my ob-
    servations are that celebs being actors/actress or in music are most
    certainly above the law. Justice for all? I think not! In this this
    country there is a known law:
    
    Fame + Money = Power
    Nobody + Poor = Jail
    
    As far as I'm concearned, the cover art for Metallica's AJFA
    says it all.
                   my .02
                          mike
    

    I saw a TV program some while ago about the "social" set in the US
    that included someone talking about the "land of the free" ethos.
    
    In effect what the person said was that the US is the land of the free
    if you have a lot of money and have a good lawyer. They went on to say
    that to get the second you need the first!
    
    I think the same applies in the UK as well. 
    
    Keef.

    
    Anyone happen to read the article in the lastest issue of Rolling
    Stone (the one with Tom Cruise on the cover) about Heavy Metal
    specifically Judas Priest going on trial this week in Texas because
    some kids commited suidcide and they are blaming Judas Priest.
    In reading the ariticle these kids were destine to death anyway and
    IMO H-M had nothing to do with it!  If anyone would like to read it
    let me know and I will xerox it and send it to you.  It is worth
    a good laugh and is pretty incredible how stupid people can be!
    
    Rae

        I read  that  while I was there.  Sounds really stupid to me.
        Note the section where Ozzy mentions that Suicide Solution is
        SUPPOSED to be an ANTI-ALCOHOL/DRUG song.  I think people had
        best  stop  looking  for  a  scapegoat  and  get  their  $h�t
        together !
        
        METALord"�

    
    	I knew I forgot to put something in here!!
    
    	Yeah, I saw the article (and read the whole thing, even!!),
    	and I think the trial is 7/12 or something like that.  The
    	article said that there was a history of alcohol and abuse
    	in the family, and the parents are trying to blame it on
    	the music.  Geez!!
    
    	The lawyers even changed the story part-way through the
    	trial (if I remember correctly) because they weren't getting
    	too far with their original line of attack.  I think the
    	lawyer(s) is/are coaching the parents as to what to say.
    
    
    	The second kid died not too long after (a year or so), but
    	I forgot what he died of.  I think he got back into drugs
    	or something, and left a girlfriend/baby behind.
    
    	The whole thing is a bunch of bull.  I really can't see how
    	they could win this case.
    
    							GTI
    
    

    I think it will without a doubt be one of the biggest obfuscationss of
    justice if they win. The whole case seems to be based on an assumption
    that music was at fault. if I have facts strait the kid was either
    drunk or on drugs, as many in here can contest, drinking tends to
    confuse our thought process. Therefor if he was drunk, could a lawsuit
    be brought against the manufacturer?  
    

    
    	RE: Devil Dog
    
    	Hell, the parents will probably contest that the music also
    	drove them to drink before it drove them to kill themselves.
    
    	Who knows how much blame they're willing to put on the music
    	instead of the real problems (abuse, alcoholism, etc.).
    
    							GTI
    

    
    	Van Halen has a suit against 2 Live Crew for illegally samp-
    	ling "Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love" on one of their albums.  The
    	same 2LC song also has a sampling of GnR's "Sweet Child of
    	Mine", but no suit has been filed by that band yet.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    
    I heard it also, on AAF.  Its extremeley obvious!!!  VH will win for
    sure.
    
    
    Goddess

    
    	RE: VH will win for sure..
    
    
    	That's what I thought about Vanilla Ice ripping off Yes.
    	But he insists there's an extra beat in HIS song...
    
    	And MC Hammer ripping off Prince and Rick James (although
    	I believe he credited both)
    
    	sheesh... it's a craze now. (8
    
    	tigga~~~

    
    	I thought it wa Queen that Vanilla Ice used....
    

    It was quuen.  Check this trash out:
    
    Queen Bassline:
    
    ______== ___     | ______==  ___    |
    | | | || | |  %  | | | | ||  | |  % |
    o o o oo o o     | o o o oo  o o    |        
    1 + 2 +  3 + (4)   1 + 2 +   3 + (4)
    
    Vanilla Ice Bassline:
    
    ______== ___    ^ | ______==  ___    |
    | | | || | | 7 |  | | | | ||  | |  % |
    o o o oo o o   o  | o o o oo  o o    |        
    1 + 2 +  3 +(4)+    1 + 2 +   3 + (4)
    
                   ^
                   | One little extra eighth note...BFD!

    
    
    
    its okay, as long as they get permission..
    
    FYI - its Freddie Mercury and David Bower duet.
    
    
    Goddess

    
    
    
    
    FWIW....MC Hammer does give credit to Prince and Rick James....in fact,
    Hammer's name is second on the list.
    
    k

    
    
    	RE: Queen
    
    	OOps... you're right.  I always got them confused.  
    
    	tigg~~~

    
    UK Death Metal band Carcass are at the centre of a bizarre instance of
    graverobbery in Atlanta, Georgia.
    
    Three men, Scott robert (20, Sidney Harrison Tullis (19) and Rober
    Frank Simmons (22), have been charged with felony offences of
    'vandalism of a place of worship' and 'maliscious removal of the
    contents of a grave' following an incident at Luxomni Cemetery, Lilburn
    in Atlanta.
    
    The men allegedly celebrated Allen's birthday by drinking beer and
    listening to Liverpool based Carcass' "Symphonies of Sickness" opus.
    
    On hearing the track "Exhume to consume", the three allegedly adjourned
    to the cemetery for what Allen described as 'some spooks and some
    laughs'.
    
    Allen told the Atlanta Constitution newspaper:  Sid started digging upa
    grave.  I said I didn't want anything to do with it, but they started
    threatening me and my girlfriend and they had shovels in their hands.
    
    I was in a bad spot.  I didn't know whether to run for it because my
    girlfriend might get hurt, so I just sat down."
    
    The grave the men disturbed belonged to Nola Mae K McCart who died in
    1987 aged 69.
    
    Allen was freed on a $2,100 bail bond, while Simmons and Tullis were
    still being held by police pending receipt of similar bonds.
    
    Allen claimed he would write to the deceased family and apologise, and
    continued:  My brother died last year, and if it had happened to my
    brother, I would have been very upset."
    
    Carcass offered "no comment" on the story, but Steve Martin of the
    band's US distributors Important claimed that all members of the band
    were vegetarian and that "their extreme lyrics satarise the consumption
    of all meat".
    
    

    
    	The Cult is being sued by a Sioux Indian for the band's use of
    	his picture on their "Ceremony" album.  Apparently, the band
    	also used his picture in the video for "Wild Hearted Son", dep-
    	icting a "burning" of the picture in the video, signifying the
    	death of the kid.
    
    	I think the suit is for $6M.
    
    							GTI

    The kid saw his picture in flames on the T.V. screen and freak out.
    His parents are suing the label,the photographer and the band.
    
     Ian says "it's nonsense".  
         
           $6M is alot of money for The Cult to be paying but I think
    they'll win this battle.
    
               Friz
    

    ...p.s....the Cult also say that the family signed a release for the
    use of the kids picture 3 years ago....end of story./............../k

    >...p.s....the Cult also say that the family signed a release for the
    >use of the kids picture 3 years ago....end of story./............../k
    
    Surely the powers that be weren't stupid enough to be putting this
    kids face on millions of album covers and in videos without prior
    consent via the proper legal documents ... get a grip!!
    
    Sounds like a money scam...
    

Eugene, Oregon:

A convenience-store clerk who survived a vicious
beating during a 1994 robbery has filed an $11 million
lawsuit alleging that so-called "death metal" music
drove her assailants to violence.

Donna Ream is suing the bands Deicide and Cannibal
Corpse; the bands' record and distribution companies,
including EMI, Virgin Songs Incorporated and Sony Music
Distribution.  Ream's lawsuit also names Record Garden,
a Eugene shop where some of the music was purchased.

The lyrics of death metal graphically describe acts of
murder, mutilation and torture.  The lawsuit claims the
men who killed Francis Wall and assaulted Ream listened
to the music just before entering the store.

One man is on death row for the murder conviction.
    

Maybe they watched too much Barney before robbing the store

    
    	Or Betty.
    

    > The lawsuit claims the men who killed Francis Wall and assaulted 
    > Ream listened to the music just before entering the store.
    
    Well, I'm at least glad that defense lawyers are laying off blaming
    Twinkies.   Don't know what I'd do if they had to pull Twinkies off the
    shelves.
    
    ;-)
    
    I hope that some day some Heavy Metal band turns around and countersues the
    bejeesus off people doing these kind of lawsuits.   I think these
    people (and people in general) need to have some kind of "risk" to
    think about before entering these lawsuits.  As far as I'm concerned,
    it's harrassment.
    
    I mean, I have sympathy for their loss, but I have to believe that all
    they are trying to do is make money off it, not retribution or
    correction.
    
    I read about those two kids who shot themselves after listening to
    Judas priest and I have only this to say about their parents:
    
    	Hannibal Lector...    Better parent then these kids had
    
    These folks abused and neglected those kids for years (documented court
    evidence) and when they finally couldn't take anymore and decided to
    end it all, the parents try to make a quick buck off it by blaming
    heavy metal music for the results of the parental attrocities they
    committed.
    
    One last word:   Sheesh!!!!!!!!
    
    	db

        Cannibal Corpses' "Pick Axe Murders" rulz!
    -ss
    

    Re: -2
    
    	Yeah and if the attackers were black, Hard Core Rap would have been
    blammed. Or if they were Rednex...well they wouldn't have been able to 
    pull it off!
    
    J