Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    I haven't heard of them (hey, Colorado isn't typically where you get
    all the current rumors...).  They do sound interesting though.
    
    gh

    I picked up this album a couple of weeks back...and on first couple
    of plays, I didn't really get off on any of the tunes on offer.
    
    I got totally cheesed off with the constant timing/mood changes..
    you know what I mean, you've got your head down and your goin' for
    it in a big way, when suddenly it turns all ^&%$in' sweetness an'
    light!!!!!
    
    BUT I PERSEVERED LIKE CRAZY and now it's an album I really enjoy
    listening to - as opposed to rockin' out with. I mean , it's kinda 
    difficult gettin' into "Thrash Mode" when in 5 secs you're gonna
    be hearing "Hemispheres Pt 2".
    
    Gm.
                                                 

    Those guys were at the WJUL studio for an interview a few weeks
    ago for the Metallic Mayhem show. Heard a few of their songs,
    nothing really stood out. Not sure if keyboards belong in a Thrash
    metal outfit. They talked about different things. Their name came
    from a theater that Petrucci's father used to frequent as a kid
    in California. How to get started in Metal - be financially ready.
    I was surprised at the apparent lack of experience these guys
    portrayed. Noone claimed to have been a musician for more then a
    couple of years. A typical "conversation" sounded like this -
    
    DJ: Well, John, how did you get started on the base.
    J:  Well, you know, like I was just hangin' out and, well, John
        asks me to come over cause like, he needed someone to play base
        and like, I never played before, so well, I started playin.
                          
    Kinda makes you wonder what a collective intelligence could do in
    this business.                                 
    
                     

    Just picked up their album today, after reading about 'em in 106.
    Not bad, definite Rush sound, I thought I heard a bit of Marillion
    in there as well. People that hear it think it's Rush. The timing
    differences remind alot of Marillion. Excellent drummer!!
          Spaceknight
    

    
    Just got a promo of the new release (on Atco).  It hasn't left my deck
    in 4 days.  (I have not heard any older stuff by these guys so I can't
    compare).  Still tons of timing changes, so Alan still won't like them
    :').  I would not compare them to Rush this time around.  Maybe Fates
    Warning/Queensryche with some Metallica riffs and Styx type chorous
    lines.  Most songs are 8 minutes or so.  I thought the whole album was
    great except one song (I think it was Hold me Under) in which the
    ending sounds like someone hit stop during the record session right in
    the middle of a jamming part.  Absurd.  If you liked FW: Parallels,
    grab this!
    
    

    
    oh btw, album is called images and words.
    

    I heard a song off this one a week or so ago and I thought it rooled! 
    Could be an excellent album.  I liked their first effort as well, even
    though it was a little keyboard heavy.
    
    gh

    
    
    a nice blend of keys in this one.  not really heavy on the boards at
    all.  a couple of nice saga tpye guitar/key riffs too...

    I went over to a friend's house and he played some of these guys.
    I liked it!! Very good drummer and he has a cool sound also...
          Friz
    

    I was given their tape as a gift today... after a first play-through of
    it, I *really* like it.... it has some really cool tunage....
    
    When the song that sounds (like Rob said earlier) like someone hit stop
    in the middle of the recording session, I thought my tape player had
    eaten the tape... until a couple seconds later and the next song
    started.
    
    I noticed a few similarities to Rush, Queensryche, Fates Warning,
    etc... definitely a good tape.

    
    this album is just so plain incredible...  im listening to it even as i
    read the last note.  at work I listen to it for 6 hours straight over
    and over night after night and just absolutely still love it (of course
    everybody else in my department is entirely sick of it :')).
    
    a couple things i noticed that i just didnt pick up on before.  the
    guitarist is a total george lynch clone on several occasions.  (good
    lynch, not his new crap).  if i didnt know better i would put $$$ that
    it was lynch playing.
    
    also the singer just has so many types of singing.  one song at the
    beginning he sounds just like s. bach, then onto fates warning, then a
    mellow harnell sound...  incredible and incredibly talented band.  I
    have to find their previous stuff.
    
    

    Wow!  Sounds like I definately have to get this one!
    I loved WDaDU.  Do you know if they had one before that?
    
    
    Steve

	I have to agree with Rob.. This stuff roolz!!!!!!!!!!!!


	A MUST pick up!!!


						-Seth

Article: 18758
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Subject: Re: Someone tell me about Dream Theatre (or is that Theater?)
Date: Tue, 19 May 1992 06:13:13 GMT
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>	I guess the subject line says it all.  I've seen a lot of mention
>about this band on various newsgroups throughout the past couple of months
>or so, but I'm still unfamiliar with their music, although from what I've
>gathered, they sound like the sort of band that would appeal to me quite a
>bit.  I no longer have as much money to spend on CD's as I used to, and
>would like to have some reccomendations before going out and buying one
>of their albums.  Would you please mail me (or post, if you prefer) any
>suggestions about which of their albums are particularly worth checking 
>out?  I'd really appreciate it!
 
At this point there is only "When Day and Dream Unite" on Mechanic Records.
Since it's a small label, it could be hard to find (though in the UK
they had a back cover ad on Kerrang! when it first came out).
 
I think they sound like Rush mixed with Praying Mantis with... hmm...
a little Twelfth Night (Sears?  not Mann) thrown in.  I like the lyrics,
and the musicianship is good, though the mix is horrible.  The vocalist
has been canned (he was ok though not great), a new label found, and
a real producer used for "Images and Words" (if I recall correctly) which
will be released next month.
 
Since it's been a couple of years since "When Day and Dream Unite" was
released, you might be able to find them in the bargain bin with the
Buggles and GTR.
 
--

    Seems like this is a band you either really get into or really don't. 
    I've seen a *lot* of copies of their first one used!
    
    Alan turned me on to the first one, which I thought was interesting.  I
    think with a better producer they could sound incredible.  It's been
    awhile since I listened to it, but as I recall, the keyboards were
    really in your face on that one.
    
    Greg (who regularly prowls the used record shops)

    Their WAS a lot of heavy synth/keyboard stuff in the first one, 
    reminded me of Rush.  I thought it added flavor to their material,
    but they could have lowered the keys in the mix and still achieved
    the same result (a Rush-type sound).  It didn't bother me, but I'm 
    sure a lot of people were turned off by it.
    
    
    Steve

    Right.  I'd agree, it didn't really *bother* me, but I wouldn't have
    mixed it that way.  They could have brought out a little more "edge" to
    the music by pushing the keyboards down a little.
    
    gh

    Exactly.
    
    
    Rob, how heavy are the keys on the new one?
    
    
    Steve

    
    not very.  they mix right into the rest of the sound.  production on
    this album is great as well.  (dont know who did it though, no names on
    the tape i have).  

 I'm been a REAL RUSH fan for ages now.

 This sounds like I should really get involved with Dream Theater.

 What is their drummer like? And the rhythms. Do they have these
 4/4, 3/4, 7/8 changes in the rhythm?


 Toffe

    
    I'm a drummer and a total Rush nut.  This drummer, though no Neil, is
    WAY above average.  Tons of ideas and chops.  As for strange times,
    lots of those too.  Most songs are made up of several different parts
    put together (much along the lines of Rush or Maiden) and many of the
    parts are very odd times, some almost random.
    
    

    Well, a follow-up review is due here.... I've been listening to "Images
    & Words" almost non-stop since the tape was given to me...
    
    All I can say is.... THIS TAPE ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLZ BIGTIME!!!!!!!!!!
    
    There are a couple songs on the tape that *really* get to me (in a good
    way)... Strangely enough (or maybe not very strange at all), there are
    times when I could swear I was listening to the Alan Parsons Project...
    then comes a swing by of Rush or Fates Warning or Queensryche....
    
    Given that I really like all four of the other groups I mentioned
    above, it causes me to like these guys all the more....
    
    I was making a copy of the tape last night and a friend stopped by...
    she was enthralled with the group's sound.... and she doesn't care for
    heavy metal at all....
    
    AWESOME TAPE!!!!!  I *LOVE* IT!!!

    
    I just picked up this one today.  Too early for me to give a 
    detailed review.  First impression after listening to the 
    first 4-5 songs:   I love it!  Similar to the first release,
    but more varied style.  I'm not sure which singer I prefer yet,
    I'll have to listen more.  This one will NOT be a dust collector!
    
    
    Steve

    I got the 1st album when it came out a couple of years ago and thought
    it sounded like a cross between Metallica and Rush. Not bad at all.
    

	Buck, dude, you HAVE to pick up the new one from these guys!

	It rules!!!  I have been playing continuously since I bought
	it a months ago...  Get it!!!


								-Seth

    I went to buy this album tonight, and the person at the record store
    told they they had to pull this album off the shelf, as the band
    Killing Joke are sueing Dream Theatre for ripping off one of their
    entire albums!

re:-1 HAHAHAHA!!  Good one Buck!!

	You really should get it though...


	Just in.....Two more law suits have been filed...

	Killing Joke has filed a lawsuit against Michael Schenker
	they said it was their idea to be president of their own
	fan club...   See note 860 for more details!!


	Also..

	Killing Joke has filed a suit again James Hetfield of Metallica,
	aparently there are two reasons for the suit.  Killing Joke
	claims that it was their idea to burn themselves in concert.
	Also it is reported that James has copied a kniting pattern
	that Killing Joke invented, James gave NO CREDIT to KJ on the
	quilt...


							-Seth

    
    I have this album after ROBR suggested I get it. 
    
    
    Sounded pretty lame to me. 

    I like it.  I went out and got it after hearing Rob's copy!
    
    Chris..... You heard it too at Tigg's party... if you didn't like it
    then, why'd you go out and buy it!?   :')
    
    |KS|
    

    
    I thought maybe it would be better if I got to listen to it, without
    all the background noise... 
    
    I'll listen to it a little more, maybe it'll grow on me.
    

    I heard some song on the radio Saturday night by them, sounded kind of
    like Metal Church, I thought... pretty decent, though...  Is the whole
    album similar in sound to whatever song they played?

    re: -1
    
    There is one song or two where the singer sounds like the guy from
    Metal Church.  (Their new singer).
    
    I can't remember the names of the songs, but I have a feeling I know
    what song you're talking about.  The rest of the CD doesn't sound
    exactly the same as that.  A couple tunes are really mellow.  Sounds
    like the last 2 or 3 albums by Fates Warning if you've ever heard them.
    
    Sebastian Bach sings on one song I think..... Although he's not listed 
    anywhere in the credits or special thanks...
    
    |KS|
    

>    Sebastian Bach sings on one song I think...
    
    Friz will have to get it.

    Buck: Are you on drugs?  I thought BK was long gone?
    
      Friz
    

    
    WOW!!!
        
    
    Dream Theatre was TOTALLY AMAZING last night!  They had a great sound,
    a good song selection, and the JAMMED.  Incredible musicians ... the
    place was full of rocking Berklee students -- def. a 'musician's musican' 
    band, but as a whole they were really well received by the Boston 
    audience (which is more than opener's WILDSIDE can say!!).
    
    Robpose, I didn't see you there.  What did you think of last night,
    awesome or what?!
    

    Yeah it was killer!  I thought Wildside was great too!
    Was anyone else there besides me /k and Buck?
    
    |KS|
    

    
    
    	Buck, he was probably working......  he works some Godforsaken
    	hours like 11:00pm to 8am or something like that.....
    

    
    He was working, in fact he said so in a note somewhere last night.
    
    

    I read his note from yesterday as saying "I won't be out of work in
    time for Wildside (the openers)".  I mean, he was so gung-ho on going
    all week long -- WTF?!

    Ro-o-o-o-B...NA NANA NA NA NA.....You missed it and WE didn't!!......./k

    >Ro-o-o-o-B...NA NANA NA NA NA.....You missed it and WE didn't!!......./k
    
    
    Yeah -- not only did you miss a roolin show by the band, /k and I got
    into a BEEMer fest ... man, you should have been there!!

    I was there and I agree with .36 - an INCREDIBLE performance. A *lot*
    of talent on that stage ...
    
    Suegene 

    Hey Wpose,
    
    WHAR WHERE U?  We saw Danpose there, as well as the Boa road crew ...
    figured you couldn't have been (shouldn't have been!) far behind?!

    
    
    waaaaaa!!!
    
    yeah, i was planning on making it, and at the last minute, systems
    scheduled a project at work that i HAD to be there to support :'( :'(. 
    i'm soooo  bummed...  if anybody hears anything about them playing new
    england or new york, please let me know.  i'll drive up to 300 miles or
    so to catch their show if i have to.
    
    

    So, who from the CO crowd went and checked these guys out??
    
    Comments & reviewz requested.

    Did it happen yet?
    
     Friz
    

    No, they'll be here Nov. 4 and Foolish Pride is opening. In fact I just
    called KILO and double checked, so for all my efforts I should be the
    one to get the CD, don't ya think?
                                      Rat

    Nov 4?  Cool -- that give Coop/CJ, Glh/Dawn, Friz/Vicmeister, Rat,
    Devil Dawg, Hammer, and the lot of you to save your pennies for this
    show ... BELIEVE ME -- this band roolz, you will NOT be disappointed!

    
    
    
    Ya, but that doesn't help Chris out considering he lives out here 
    in Mass!! 
    
    ;')

    Won't have to save to many pennies 'cuz tickets are only $4.94!!!
                                                               Rat

I bought "Images and Words" last month and I like it. It's an excellent album
which recalls a bit Rush and Fate's Warning ("Perfect symmetry" time).
The singer has a voice which may recall occasionnely Sebastian Bach (of
Skid Row fame) and the new singer form Metal Church.
There are 8 songs of which few are over 7 or 8 minutes long. The music
balances between power metal, slow ballads and fine instrumental interventions.
The album needs repeated listening to really appreciate it. All the songs
are very fine and include few almost accoustical ballads where the voice of
the singer is very well put in evidence. All the instrumentals are of
jazz-rock quality and the overall recording is excellent. On headphones,
the listening is outstanding.

Well recommended !
Sorin
PS. I bought it after reading the good advices in these notes.

    I thought (live, anyways) that the Singer reminded me a LOT of early
    Geoff Tate/QR!

    
    haven't seen him live :'( :'(, but definately nothing like tate on the
    album.  now fates warning singer reminds me of tate!  :').  in fact
    when i played this one tune of parallels for paul mccarron, between the
    chords used and the singers voice, paul suggested death by gas or
    hanging for sounding so similar :').
    

    
    either way, DT is awesome!!!!  dont missem!
    
    now, wharz that contest...
    
    

    Hi folks!  Long time no note....
    
    I am borrowing a friend's account for a few minutes and HAD to come in
    here and state my opinion on DT's show at Axis on 10/7.... WHAT AN
    INCREDIBLE SHOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    I loved DT immediately upon hearing the cassette "Images & Words"... 
    after seeing them perform live (we were right up front near the
    keyboardist), I fell in love with their music all over again..... they
    have got to be one of *THE* best musical groups around... *VERY*
    talented folks and given the variety of syncopation of all their songs,
    I was ceaselessly amazed by them....
    
    Hope they come back to Boston again *REAL* soon!
    
    Have a good one, folks!  I'm outta here...
    
    -- Kristy

    
    i hope they do to... i missed 'em :'( :'(
    
    

    Well..... We're waiting, have you decided yet on who gets it?
    
                                                             Rat

    
    	Well, I gave this album a spin last night, and I have to say I'm
    	changing my first impression of them.  They don't suck ... they
    	are amazing.  The band is full of great musicians.
    
    	I'm not saying I love them ... I like them for now.  But the
    	fact that they're amazing can't be ignored.
    
    							GTI

    
    that's ewhy escobar doesn't like them!  he can't stand bands with
    talent :') :').
    
    

    
    It's not that their music isn't good. It just doesn't interest me.
    
    

    >It's not that their music isn't good. It just doesn't interest me.
    
    
    Too many notes!
    ;')

    
    Re: Buck
    
    > Too many notes!
    
    OK, Amadeus, I'm rollin'!!!
    
    -- 
    Kevin

    Not enough galloping bar chords.
    
          Friz
    

    Precisely!

    Well I think I'm gonna go check them out next month when they're here,
    anyone wanna go with or have me pick up tickets when I go get mine?
                                                                    Rat

    Alright, last chance.... I'm gonna go today or tommorow and pick up
    tickets for next Wednesday show so if anyone wants me to pick them up
    some (to be reienbursed of course) write or mail me!
                                                        Rat

    Where are they playing?
    
    danielle
    

    
    
    
    Escohead! WHERE'S MY CD!?

    
    At my house fool!
    
    ;')
    

    RE: danielle
    
    Rack N Roll, Colo. Spgs., CO
                                Rat

    Whoz goin to see the ever awesome DT this week in COS?

    I am, I am! Got my tickets Friday!!!!  
                                           Rat

    
    
    I might go, depends. 

    
    depenz on what??? don't miss the most spectacular display of
    musicianship this side of rush!!
    

I'll be therw with my spousal-unit.  Can't wait !!

DYLIW - A good friend drags you and your wife off to see Dream Theatre
last night ??  Thanks for BJ too, Rat - it was killer!!

DYLIW - You have a new fave band?

Anyway, I loved this show.  I'll even go as far as saying that this was
the BEST live performance I've EVER seen, save seeing Queensryche at
AJ's in South Carolina.  Wow.  I'm going off to buy their CD's at lunch.
Un-FACKIN-believeable !!

jc

Now for a more in-depth review.

Natalie (Rat), CJ and myself went to Rack-N-Roll last night to see 
Dream Theater.  I'd only heard the one song that's been getting airplay
on KILO, so I didn't know anything about the band.  Natalie had a pair
of tickets ($4.94/each) - At that price, I figured WTF, I'll check 'em 
out!

Well, WTF indeed.  This band RULES live...  I still haven't heard anything 
off their CD's, but I will be running off at lunch to buy 'em now.
Their performance was flawless and awe-inspiring.  I just sat there with a
beer in my hand and another glass under my chin to catch the drool.

The bassist was playing a 6 string bass, and he was incredible!  The drummer
was flashy and had flawless timing and tasty lix for days.  The singer is
FUGLY and sort of fat, but he had an EXCELLENT voice - a lot of range and
is very dynamic.

Now for the good part:

The (single) guitarist played thru a pair of 100wt MESA Dual-Rectifier heads 
and a pair of Armadillo 4x12's (leather and metal covered celestion loaded
Mesa/Boogie).  He also had a 18 space SUS-4 Rack full of cool goodies (can 
you say Eventide, Lexicon and TC ?? - I thought you could).  

So, you're saying  to yourself "Gee, the guy is an FX whore?" - NOT!  The 
guys sound was clean and tasty, not over-done with FX and harmonizer induced 
crapola.  When he did kick in the eventide,  it was sweet.   He played an 
Ibanez USA Custom UCG13_type.

He has a style like Yngwie meets Satch meets EJ meets Hetfield meets Gilbert 
meets Vai...  you get the picture.  the dude is super-flexable and has
amazing chops.  I was blown away.  Also, the keyboard dood was killer also.
He was playing note-for-note arpeggios with the guitar player at lightning
speed.  It was a nice touch.

When they opened up, Cindi and I looked at each other and mouthed "Rush"...
10 measures in, we looked at each other and mouthed "Metallica"...then 
"Queensryche".  The band seems like it has the best parts of three of my
fave bands.  I felt the same way wheen I heard Fates Warning 4 years ago...
Now FW is getting popular - I predict Dream Theater will ALSO become quite 
popular.

Thats about it in a nutshell.  Thinking mans metal!!

Twas the tightest live show I've ever seen - definately rank right up there 
with  Rush (live) and Queensryche (live).  The band SMOKES!  Go buy their CD's!

jc (still amazed!)

    
    another convert!!  :')
    
    ps, their first album is out of print (i just asked this morning) and
    am also told it was never available on cd (alan, did you have the tape
    or cd?  just wondering if that was true).
    
    

re: Coop
    
>    He played an  Ibanez USA Custom UCG13_type.
    
    g13?  The grim reaper painted thing, like you got?
    
    gh

>    ps, their first album is out of print (i just asked this morning) and
>    am also told it was never available on cd (alan, did you have the tape
>    or cd?  just wondering if that was true).

I had the CD, for sure, so that info is definitely wrong....

alan

RE: Greg

Same guitar, different paint job.

jc

    re: Coop
    
    Then it ain't a UCGR13, the number is different for each paint job.  I
    got the catalog here, what picture was it?
    
    gh

Well - I dunno - it was bright colors!
:)

    Well.....WHAT colors??  In what pattern???
    
    gh

    Greg,
    
    It's a custom color pattern.  It's basically painted Desert Sun Yellow,
    with Green, Blue, Black, and Red geometric shapes painted over it.

    Buck comes through again with the "what was that dude playing" info. 
    Must be a really custom "custom", I don't see anything remotely
    resembling that in the current catalog.
    
    Greg

    The dude has an Ibanez endorsement, so I suspect it's a REAL custom
    made guitar (like in every way, shape, and form).

    SO anyone wanna book it to Denver and catch tonight's show? 

    
    Sure.
    
    

    DYLIW You get to go and see a great concert
    DYHIW You don't remember the band at all cuz you were to busy doing
          BJs!!      :) or should I say :0
    
    The little bit I do remember of them there were great!
                                                          Rat

    Their first release 'When Dreams & Day Unite' was definately available
    on CD, as I have it.  I saw the CD in a record store, the other day,
    but I can't remember which right now.  If someone wants it, let me
    know, I'll try to find it.
    
    
    
    Steve

    
    sure jesse, im on my way again :').  remember last time i tried this? 
    a last minute flight, coach class to co springs via phoenix, via denver
    was almost $1000!  ouch!  :')  (plus extra for a shuttle out of denver
    :'))  and didn't arrive there till about 10!
    
    

    ATTN:  Rob

    Dream Theater -- Axis -- Wednesday -- December 16th ... BE THERE!!!
    
    
    Buck, who'll going again, for sure!  Anyone else?  We should have a HM
    night for this show, they're 
    
    RRRRRRR     OOOOOO    OOOOOO   LLL     IIIIIII  NNN   NNN   !!!   !!!
    RRR  RRR   OOO  OOO  OOO  OOO  LLL       III    NNNN  NNN   !!!   !!!
    RRRRRRR    OOO  OOO  OOO  OOO  LLL       III    NNN NNNNN   !!!   !!!
    RRR  RRR   OOO  OOO  OOO  OOO  LLLLLL    III    NNN  NNNN
    RRR   RRR   OOOOOO    OOOOOO   LLLLLL  IIIIIII  NNN   NNN   !!!   !!!

    yo buck.....i'm up for it!	!  ..........;')......../k

    Sethypooh??  You went last time, wanna go again??  |KS|?  Others??

    Buck - Me and CJ WILL be there !!!
    
    jc

    I'll go!  
    
    |KS|
    

    
    100 REPLIEZ!!
    

    Perhaps we can get as MANY people there as possible.  I know CJ
    and I would like to meet some of you new folk, and see some of the 
    old-timers too!!
    
    Not to mention seeing an awesome band !!  Who is this Wildside ??
    Sounds like a Motley Crue tribute band.  :)
    
    jc

    
    	Well considering it's two days before my birthday.....will 
    	you guys buy all my drinks?  =)
    
    	(and that's only if I have the night off from my second job)
    
    	JJ
    

    JJ - I'll buy you a drinkie or three...  SO won't Buck!!
    :)
    
    Take that night off - I won't hear ANY excuses!  In fact, 
    Take the next day off also.  Buck and I were discussing 
    off-line that there is a HoJo motel close by thats cheap...
    Perhaps we can rent a couple of rooms and swill til dawn...
    
    jc (Who loves to party in hotels.  :)

    
    
    
    I'll be there..

    
    YES!!!!  i'm making arrangements for that one TONIGHT!!  i wont be left
    in the c old again!!!
    
    

    ..ok...looks like we got a dream theater and pre-jj birthday party to 
    attend that evening.......;"))............/k

    
    
    	re: DT at Axis Dec 16
    
    	YES!!!!!!!!!  I will try my hardest to be there!!!!
    
    	I will drive back from Albany that afternoon if I have to!!
    
    	They are one band that NO ONE can miss!!!!!
    
    							-Seth

    After /k's party this FRIDAY (Nov 13th), I will start to compile 
    this HM "Dream Theater" get together in the PARTY note (100.*)
    to make it a bit more understandable.
    
    
    Buck, who thinks this might be a noteworthy HM get together!

    
    
    	Well I'll be asking for that night off on Tuesday when I 
    	go in.  Cross your fingers folks.  =)
    
    	Does someone have a DT tape I can borrow to listen to for
    	awhile?  The only time I heard DT was at Tigg's party this
    	summer and I didn't hear it that well.  (what I did hear,
    	I liked)
    
    	JJ who thinks this'll be a grand way to welcome in the big
    		25 a few days early.  =)
    

Hi there,

I won't be able to make it to your party :-), but does anybody know if Dream
Theatre are planning a Tour in Europe by any chance?

Also which Fates Warning album are recommended to start with, knowing that I 
already own everything from Rush, Dream Theatre and Metallica. Any advices?

Thanks,

Didier

Didier, I have listened Fate's Warning's "Parallels" and "Perfect Symmetry"
(this one, I have it). Although Parallels is fine, I prefer Perfect Symmetry
(it's a bit more complex).

For all those enjoying Fate's Warning, Dream Theater, Queensryche .. please
check at the occasion Last Crack's "Burning Time". LC is quite different from
other bands and it surely plays very intelligent music. If you like the former
bands you should like Last Crack's "Burning Time" (one of the very best albums
these years).

Sorin

    I like Fate's Warning's album "No Exit", it's roolin and they seem to
    have more of their own style on that one rather then the "Queensryche
    II" style they've adopted in the last couple.
    
    gh

    I heard one of DT's tunes the other nite on the radio...Although they
    all sound like great musicians, I personally didnt care for their
    style of music....
    
    Bob

    You stupid flannel/combat boot skinny puppy type.....Pull YOUR head
    OUT!
    
           Friz
    

    The pup's lookin for a combat boot upside the head, methinks.

    
    that one tune you heard (probably) is awesome, but there's even better
    on the album!
    
    :')
    
    that IS my style music!
    

    You BOB  - Like 'em or not, you'd BEST be there for this show!!
    jc (Who'll be there in SPADES!)

    
    okay, i got this night off!  we getting a room or what?
    
    

    I think we should!   I intend to imbibe heavily.  :)
    
    Cool ROB !!
    

    -1,-2 GET A ROOM!!
    
     Friz
    

    
    
    	This BETTER happen.  I'm putting in for the night off at my
    	part time job and the day off the next day from DEC.
    
    	And someone's going to have to help me get to Axis since I
    	have NO clue where it is...
    
    	tigg~~~~

    You can ride with me, Tiggee!!
    ];^>

    
    	Can someone bring the DT tape tonite so I can borrow it?
    	Pweeze?
    

    
    	RE: Buck
    
    	Put yer halo back on and I'll *think* about it. (8
    
    	tigg~~~~

    
    
    	Thanks Woobie!
    

Can I borrow it after JJ?  We work together.  She can vouch for me right
J?  RIGHT?!?  :^)

-a

    
    
    	Well I dunno!  =)
    

    .114....Ill take gregs advice....upside the head with my combat boots..
    its pretty ironic...thats how I dress..flannel/combat boots...Anyways,
    I still didnt really like the tune I heard....sounded boring to me...
    maybe If I ever get a chance to listen to the album, I might like
    them.......but as for now...........
    
    

    
    oh yeah, real boring band.... NOT!!!!  :')
    
    

    to each his own.....
    
    :*)

    
    
    Just heard today DT will also be playing at what used to be the Escape
    Club at Salisbury Beach on... um... some Sat in January (I believe it's
    1/9).
    
    

    
    know how to get to salisbury beach center?  go there, park in the loop,
    walk to the boardwalk, bang a right, it's down there on the right.
    
    

    
    	I heard "Pull Me Under" on WAAF today ... never heard them on
    	the radio before.
    
    							GTI
    

    I'll be at the Jan 9 show as well.
    
    Pull Me Under roolz for a radio single!

    
    re: .137
    
    you're kidding.  you dont know how to get to salisbury beach...
    
    um, er...
    
    from nausea, hmmm.....  not sure of the easiest.  most people i know
    from that area drive all the way via backroads.  i'd probably go 101e
    -> 95S, get off on 110 and follow that all the way in.  someone else
    can give you better directions.  seth will know how to get to salisbury
    beach :').  then again, maybe not.  He's too cool to hang at the beach
    in the summer :') :').
    
    

    
    I hear Pull Me Under on various radio stations.
    
    Yup, I love that tune.
    
    

    
    >can give you better directions.  seth will know how to get to salisbury
    >beach :').  then again, maybe not.  He's too cool to hang at the beach
    >in the summer :') :').
    
    	Yeah too cool!!! ;)  I have no idea how to get to Salisbury,
    	I don't think I ever have gone there....
    
    						-Seth

    Yah, I just heard "Pull Me Under" on the radio when I was driving
    home last night.  (and it wasn't even on a college station!)
    
    gh

    I know Im gonna get people up in arms, but I heard Pull me Under
    a few times in the past week....That song does nothing for me...
    its sounds to over processed....to me they sound like are trying to
    sound like YeS.....Granted I think YeS are great......All of the
    individual musicians sounded great...I loved some of the drum fills..
    but Im not really impressed by the originality of there music...It
    sounds like something Id hear on the Yes 90215 sp?? album.....
    
    IMO....that is.......go ahead fire away....
    
    Bob

    
    It does sorta get old, fast.
    
    

    Whats with the P_N's today...are ya bored...:)
    
    
    It grew old on me the first time I heard it...

    
    I can never decide....
    
    

    
    
    It is so silly for people to fight about it, it is all a matter of 
    taste....
    
    	I picked up DT-IAW a few months ago, I have been listening to 
    	it all the time, and I haven't got sick of it at all....
    	Just as good as the first time...
    
    Too bad you don't like it Bob, but so what?  It is all person anyway..
    
    
    							-Seth

    DT ROOOZL

    re: -1
    
    But if you have to send $20 then it's not free stuff!
    
    :')
    

    
    
    all right buck!!!  old quickly?  sha, like if!!!  :')  better than
    rush?  depends on my mood :').
    
    

    Its all a matter of personal musical taste....since Friz isnt here
    anymore...there's no need to argue about it...but I do think Rush
    is much better...regardless of what mood Im in  :*)

    >but I do think Rush is much better...regardless of what mood Im in 
    >:*)
    
    
    Sha .... as if....
    
    
    

    So far, I can only confirm the following from my knowledge:    
    
    1) Rob R.
    2) Buck
    3) JC
    4) CeeJ
    5) Seth
    6) Kristy
    7) Tigg
    8) JJ
      
    
    
    		D R E A M     T H E A T E R -- T*O*N*I*G*H*T !!!!!
    
    
				be there!

    
    
    	RE: last
    
    	And Paul McCarron... I talked to him yesterday and he's 
    	going to call me this morning to let me know for sure
    	but he did say he was going to hook up with us either
    	at the show or Uno's..
    
    	Alan and /k are Uno bound but not DT....
    
    	tigg~~~~

    I'm going in with /k, but I'm going to the DT show...
    
    :), danielle

    
    Driving home from work last night (another late one :-( ) I was
    listening to WAAF's top nine.  I damn near punched in another
    station when that horrible Pantera "song" came on, but I stuck
    it out.  I was rewarded by finding out that the DT song (don't
    remember the name) that's been getting airplay around here was
    the #1 most requested song of the day.  R00lin!
    
    I wish I was going to the show tonight but, alas, I seem to
    have gotten a life and can't get rid of it tonight.  Too many
    other things to do, not enough time to do them in and not enough
    money anyway.
    
    -- 
    Kevin

    
    
    The guitars in Pantera's WALK, are ROOLIN'!
    
    

    
    Yuk.  I can play better than those guys (Pantera) and I ST00L!
    
    JMNSHO
    

Was it before or after Detachable P#n!s???

Tim

    
    RE: -1
    
    Roolin' p_n from a roolin' song!
    
    

    
    Hmmm... If you can play better than them you must be quite a musician.
    They ain't _amazing_ but certainly don't deserve of a slagging off just
    because its not your cup-o-tea. Check out the entire album and then make 
    a sweeping generalisation if you must.
    
    -Tony (soapbox now under arm)
    

>    Yuk.  I can play better than those guys (Pantera) and I ST00L!
    
    Guy, singular.  There's only one guitar player in Pantara.  And FWIW, I
    have to agree with Tony, you must be one heck of a guitar player if you
    can outdo the guy.  Even though I don't like a lot of their music, I've
    heard him play some pretty cool fast stuff.  Maybe you should hear more
    then one song before you slag him so hard...
    
    gh (who also stools on guitar and couldn't touch the dude)

    
    'm agree you must listen to the whole album
    
    DT ROOLIng....................................yeah!
    

    
    Sheesh.  For the humor impaired, insert a smiley after the
    first line in .161 and before the "JMNSHO"
    
    Eye wooda thunk bye nau that ewe giez kood rekonize wen eye wuz
    jes fackin around.  Doo eye reelee haff 2 uze a smilee evry tyme
    eye maik a joak?
    
    I don't care for Pantera.  They're not my cup of poison.  My comment
    was not so much slagging them as poking fun at my (lack of) musical
    prowess.
    
    -- 
    Kevin - "FREE clues for sale, cheap.  Take two, they're small, and
             soon to be legendary. <smiley would go here if I used one>"
                                                                        

    Any more of this slaggin, and I'll have you in Personnell fast enough
    to make your head spin.
    
    /ghrc

    
    Ha!  My haid is already a'spinnin'.  You got anything to make it stop?
    

    This is most legendary....I think Ill drive past EM Leows on my
    way home tonite...
    
    /rjm

    Good to see /k and Alan show up after the Arc Angels show!!
    
    The show was ROOLIN -- had a great time .. tired, though (ugh!)

    Was the place crowded??
    
    Bob
    

    It was nice meeting you Buck...and Rob, jj, tigg, ken, jim, jc, cj (am
    I forgetting anyone?) We took lotsa pictures to put in the HM photo
    album...
    
    :), danielle

    One of the highlights of the show (for me) was 'O Holy Night' 
    ....sounded awesome..
    
    :), danielle
    

    
    
    'O Holy Night' was cool!!!!!!   The whole show was cool (the band that
     is)  I was hoping that buck was going to beat the crap out of a little
    	kid that kept annoying him....  The kids suffering would have
    	been legendary! /src!
    
    
    	(Danielle, no you aren't forgetting anyone!)  ;)
    
    
    								-Seth

    I'm sorry Seth...my brain is a little on the weird side this
    morning...my ears are ringing so bad, all I can hear is that ringing
    ...kinda like in Star Trek...and to top it off, I have a Calc 3 final 
    today, so I'll be shooting out of here soon...
    
    :), danielle

    
    
    	NO!!!! DON'T MENTION CALC!!!! PLEASE!!!
    
    	My ears were ringing earlier, but they are better now...
    	Where is everyone today?   They are all so lazy, I got a 
    	1/2 sleep last night, and I was still in at 8:30 (guess
    	that shows how crazy I am)
    
    
    						-Seth

    
    
    	O Holy Night?  Did I miss that?  =(
    
    	re: Buck
    
    	Thanks muchly for the ride back to Alewife!
    
    	The band was very good.  Too bad I couldn't see them better..
    	too many people.
    
    	JJ
    

    well i had a good time last night, hitting both Arc Angels and the
    Dream Theater show.......Alan, cabs are definitely the way to go don't
    you think.....;')).........good seeing the whole crew last night and
    meeting CJ and JC for the first time...god she's a tolerant woman.....
    ;')).......i don't think i'd want to be JC's tongue this morning......i'm 
    sure it needs a shave..........;')........can't wait to see the pictures 
    danielle............../k

Well, danielle, you forgot me, but I'll forgive ya.....

BUck, what's with the yawning??? You guys left early! We not only stayed
'til the end, but even went out for pizza afterwards! Now *we* have a right
to yawn!!!!  8^)

re: /k 

> Alan, cabs are definitely the way to go don't you think.....;')).........

No doubt! We did that up right!

re: the show

Dream Theater was good. The vocalist was wicked impressive. I wasn't quite
blown away by the guitarist as I thought I would be. Overall, a good show
(taking into account that I'm not a big fan of theirs).

re: ArcAngels

This was the show of the night! The ROOLED!!!!

alan

    I must have missed O Holy Night too!  The show was awesome however!
    
    It was great to meet some new noters (Daniele, Jeff, CIndy), and all
    the other familiar ones!
    
    Jeff, you're a character!  :')
    
    For those that didn't make it, I must recap something that happened at
    Unos before the show.  Karen asked the waitress for an ashtray as she
    pulls out a cigarette, and the waitress says "I'm sorry, this isn't a
    smoking section."  And Karen says "Ohhh it is now!"  Ha Ha hahaha!
    Good one /k!
    
    |KS|

    
    
    	Yeah, that was a hoot!
    
    	Thanks to /k for the offers to crash....I would have taken you
    	up on it but I have a lot of stuff I need to do today.  My apt.
    	is a disaster!  =)
    

    
    
    	Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn...blinkblink....
    
    	morning.  (8  Got home at 2:45am and woke up at 2:45pm.  (8
    	In between that I woke up long enough to haul my offspring
    	to daycare, came back and went to sleep.  (8
    
    	Didn't get the things done that I wanted to be sleep was a
    	bigger priority.  (8
    
    	It was a good night all things considered I guess.  But like
    	Rob and JJ - I'm old.  Too many people, too much smoke and
    	I like to SEE the bands I pay to watch perform tyvm...
    
    	tiggashimmyshimmy~~~~ (8

    oh that's right...i made you shimmy in Uno's...i wonder if the film 
    captured the real essence................;')).........shoulda come to
    arc angels with us.....we stood about 6 ft from the stage....nyah
    nyah.............../k.
    

    
    	RE: i made you shimmy in Uno's
    
    	ya.  ONCE.  Hope everyone got a good chuckle cuz it'll never
    	happen again. (8
    
    	tigg~~~~~

    ....if  i asked you nicely  AND  threatened to put that
    picture of you washing your hair before the firehouse gig in the 
    HM photo album, me thinks you'd shimmy again...........;'))......
                              hehehehehehehhhh............./k

    
    
    
    	re: /k
    	
    	mumblegrumblemumble...go 'way!!!
    
    	(8
    
    	tigg~~~~

    ....no way...consider me your personal haunt,...designed to remind and
    annoy you for many years to come...........;')).............../k

    
    
    	There will come a day when the tables will be turned and it
    	will be I threatening to put damaging pictures of YOU into
    	the HM album TOOTS.  (8
    
    	tigg~~~~

    Anyone up for DT at the Escape Club in Salsbury or at Club Babyhead
    in Providence in JAN???

    Re; .....tig, now really...would i do that to you??...i mean after
    all..you know where i live and all..............;'))......./k

    
    RE: Buck
    
    I'll prolly see'em at Escape.

    Anyone who thinks they may be going to that early Jan Club Babyhead
    show, you better score tickets in advance!!  CB only holds about 100+
    people, and the shows sell out REALLY quickly there!
    
    
    Tickets for CB shows can be purchased at Strawberries.  Ticketmaster
    does NOT carry CB shows...

    
    They gotta age limit?
    
    

    
    got a date yet buck???  need to know since i work nights.  i will DEF
    be at escape (i will lower myself to appear there just for DT :')).
    

    The dude who told me didn't know if it was Jan 9th or the 16th
    (both are Saturdays!).  I guess a call to Club Babyhead would
    prove information, but I, unfortunately, don't have the time 
    to do that right now...
    
    Anyone?

    
    if its a sat, i will probably go, assuming tix are available up here.
    where is babyhead in prov?  did it use to be the living room per
    chance?
    

    
    
    see buck dive for the x00 replieeezzz!!!!!!

    FYI -- sorry, I deleted my old post -- Club Babyhead is NOT, repeat
    NOT the old Living Room (sorry, I had mis-information!).  
    
    
    The DT show is January 13th (a Wednesday), and tickets are $6.

    DT ROOLZ!

    
    I saw the Pull Me Under video last night (or this morning) 'bout
    2:30am. 
    
    Maybe I was just sleepy, but it was a bit confusing. Some bedroom
    shots, and other junk, and a bunch of live stuff. Apparently the singer
    likes Napalm Death cuz he was wearin' their shirt.
    
    
    

    Note new p_n!

    
    Wed?  Well, see you all at Chapter 11 anyway!  Wed is not good for me.
    
    

    Watch the sparrow falling gives to meaning to it all

    
    That is a RULIN' part of the song!
    
    
    Dust fills my eyes... clouds roll by and I roll with them

    I was reading through this note string, and was amazed at how many
    people in here don't like DT for the sheer fact they are a MUSICAL
    band who use odd time singatures and many changes in groove.  That
    is exactly what DT fans love about this band, their diversity!!
    Even your average WAAF fan are liking DT for their musicianship.
    I think it helps set them apart, not hinder them commercially.
    
    And oh by the way, I found out at a recent Holiday party that I am
    related to the guitarist, John Petrucci!!  We play so much alike...
    8^)  (sha, as if)

Well I FINALLY got to listen to Images and Words yesterday
(albeit on a hand held cassette player with batteries that
needed changing...argh!)

Still, I liked it the first time through. And I think it
will grow on me.

They definatly have a "Rush" sound to some of thier songs though.
I didn't think so at first when I only heard "Pull me Under".

But "Surrounded" seems to.

Anyhow, I like it.

Now if I could listen to it in CD quality, I might REALLY like it
(instead of hearing "warbled" lyrics...gack!).

-a

PS  All that ranting and raving about getting the tape ripped off?
    well, er, my sources were incorrect (gee, should I mention
    names?!?!?)  "they" were just a twi...oh, never mind. :^)

    
    I finally went out and bought the actual CD for this thing.  My tape
    disappeared someplace, somewhere at some point.
    
    

    Just a reminder -- if you're not already planning to check out
    CoNTaGioUs this Saturday at Derringers, the awe-inspiring DREAM THEATER
    is plaing this Saturday at Chapter II (formerly the Escape Club) at
    Salsbury Beach.
    
    
    B there or B []

    bucky boo...any chance of getting advance tickets for
    D.T. at salisbury........i'd love to see Contagious...but am 
    officially too old to go to Derringers..........;'))............./k
    

	re: /k  

	Yeah, you can get advance tickets, I got some from
	Strawberries....   DT for the thrid time... ;)


						-Seth

    
    I'm probably goin' too.
    
    

    Will this be a Cruella DeVille show, /k??
    
    
    /b

	      re: chris...........cool......i guess I will
	      see you there......dt rules........they put on a 
	      great show...../s

    
    
    
    re: /k
    
    Officially to old for Deringers? I believe Chapter II is also an
    all ages club but MINUS the booze.. But, its probably better that
    you don't drink, at least you won't smash your face off of other
    peoples skulls... ;')
    
    

    Anyone with a pointer to the "Directions to Clubs" note??  /k and
    I have absolutly NO idea how to get to Chapter II!!!  8^(  That's
    what I get, I guess, for missing all of those LEGENDARY Cycstic
    Flowers shows, I guess!  8^)

    
    
    	note 14
    
    	tigg~~~~

>    Just a reminder -- if you're not already planning to check out
>    CoNTaGioUs this Saturday at Derringers, the awe-inspiring DREAM THEATER
>    is plaing this Saturday at Chapter II (formerly the Escape Club) at
>    Salsbury Beach.
    
    I thought DT was opening for Contagious?
                                           
    Be there or be brackets.

    Ahem -- Now that Tigga~~ is rich, she has NO EXCUSE not to attend this 
    Saturdays *fabulous* DT show in Salisbury!
    
    8^)

    I heard that they are playing at The Vertex(sp??) in Hadley on
    Sunday?? I didnt see anything else about this show, but I heard it
    on AAF so I figured Id post it..
    
    Bob

    
    
    REL: 222    -< I still have to buy the CD.........>-
    
    
    So does'nt Chris Escobar... I WANT *MY* CD!!!!! 
    

    Maybe Chris will loan me the CD........
    
    
    :*)

    
    
    
    	RE: Buck
    
    	tigga would except that tigga has made other plans.  (8
    
    	tigg~~~~

    Anyone know WHAT or WHERE the Vertex (??) in Hadley is???
    
    Curious me

    Id buzz AAF....They were advertising it + giving away free tixs.
    
    Bob
    
    Hadley is just before Holyoke (out near springfield)
    
    

    the vertex is the new name for the old Katrina's or kristina's or
    something like that.....lots of people have played there..../k

    Killer, sounds like it's gonna be a *legendary* Dream Theater weekend!
    

    Buck---verify that Sunday show....thats what I heard....but I tend to
    be wrong sometimes.....sometimes that is!?!?
    
    Bob

    Confirmed DT Show MA show info:
    
    
    Sat, Jan 09		Chap II		Salisbury	
    
    Sun, Jan 10		Vertex		Hadley
    
    Wed, Jan 13		Babyhead	Providence

    
    I'll be at Chap II

    Directions to Vertex, in case anyone wants to go:
    
    - Mass Pike to "Palmer" exit
    - Ask booth dood best wat to RT 9 West
    - Club is on RT 9 in Hadley, one town over from Palmer.
    
    Tix are $7 in advance, $10 at the door.  Doors open at 7:30pm.
    

    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    			Watch the sparrow falling
    			Gives new meaning to it all	
    			If not today, nor yet tomorrow
    			then some other day
    
    			I'll take seven lives for one
    			and then my only fathers son
    			as sure as I did ever love him
    			I am not afraid

    
    
    
    
    
    
    

    
    
    
  		  	This word is spinning around me
			The whole world keeps spinning around me
			All life is future to past
			Every breath leaves me one less 
     			 To my last

			Pull me under Pull me under
			Pull me under I'mnot afraid
			All that I feel is honor and spite
			All I can do is set it right


    

    
    
    	Picked up the Dream Theater CD last week and my portable
    	CD player last night..
    
    	It's way cool.  I can see now why people have said it's
    	Metallica/Rush sounding.  Pretty decent!!
    
    	tigg~~~~

    >	Picked up the Dream Theater CD last week and my portable
    >	CD player last night..
    
    I knew I liked Tigga~~ for a good reason...
    8^)
    
    (a reason besides the fact she is cuter than JJ)
    ];^>
    
    
    >	It's way cool.  I can see now why people have said it's
    >	Metallica/Rush sounding.  Pretty decent!!
    
    Rush/Queensryche/Metallica imvho

    
    
    
    Buck, the Dream Theatre slut! all shows!?

    Yes WhitPose -- ALL shows!!  This band ROOLZ -- I can really relate to
    what thaty're doing musically ... I am so very into this tape.  When I
    was without it for 5 days in OK, I was mental!  Thank god they were
    playing PMU on KATT in OKC!  This tape has been in constant loop
    rotation in both my truck cassette deck and on the home CD.
    

    
    
    
    I think PMU is cool.. I'll let you know what I think about the 
    rest of it once I get my free cd from Escoblouse... 
    
    

    > When I was without it for 5 days in OK, I was mental!  
    
    You were mental LONG before that!

    >You were mental LONG before that!
    
    
    I beg your pardon?!
    8^)

    
    	re: Buck
    
    
    	ppppffftttthhhhhh!   =)
    

>    I beg your pardon?!
    
    You can beg, but you won't get it.
    ;^)

>    	Picked up the Dream Theater CD last week and my portable
>   	CD player last night..
 
Now let me borrow it will ya? After all I *did* go shopping with ya when
ya picked it out.

>    	It's way cool.  I can see now why people have said it's
>    	Metallica/Rush sounding.  Pretty decent!!
 
Actually I thought it was more Rush/Queensryche sounding , but...

>    Rush/Queensryche/Metallica imvho


oops...ya ya. :^)

But still thier own style too.

    Quickie DT weekend review:
    
    
    CHAPTER II -- Hmm, I believe Seth, Kristy, /k, Danille, Rob, Sister_t,
    and Chriscopose were in attendance.  The band was just *ok* imho --
    they were plagued by AWFUL PA problems ... the lack of monitors
    somewhat effected the vocal intonation at times, but it was no fault
    of the bands.  Still a fun night, however...
    
    
    VERTEX -- a return to greatness ... although since this club is ON the
    U-Mass (Zoo MA) campus, it was literally PACKED with college kids.
    The band sounded great and played great, and even played a long encore
    as people in the audience were so into them!!  No encore at CHAP II ...
    they were outta there asap.

    
    RE: Escape
    
    Nothin' like a mosh at a DT show, eh?
    

	The Escape show was cool!  They had a few sound problems,
	but the *BAND* was excellent!!   Each show seems to get
	more violent than the one before!  ;^)


	Hey Buckpose what did you think of Devine Regale? 

							-Seth

    >	Hey Buckpose what did you think of Devine Regale? 
    
    WTF was Devine Regale??
    
    We Liked the "2nd" band (the Megadethish one).  We didn't like any of 
    the others ones ... ESP that band which went on RIGHT before DT --
    retch!

    Dream Theater isn't the place for a mosh pit.  I think it was
    idiotic...As for Chapter II, the show was OK, would've been better if they 
    played a little longer...
    
    :), danielle

    They started a mosh pit at Vertex, and the bouncers (many of them in
    attendance) shipped out about 12 guys out of the club!!)

    
    It was bound to happen. Chapter II is loaded with Hardcore Punks that
    will be in attendance for the BioHazard show in a couple of weeks.
    
    
    Poor girl in front of me with a $1500 dollar camera was in the middle
    of the damn mosh when it started. Hopefully she got out in one piece.
    
    

    Buckpose,   Devine Regale was the band right before DT.  They
	were just going on when I got there..  I thought they
	were not that bad, they had terible sound problems (as did
	DT), but a side from that they are pretty good.  I heard
	their demo, so I know they can do MUCH better...


							-Seth    

    
    
    One of the first bands Audatory Imagery was rulin'. Their drummer
    ripped it up. 
    
    Anybopdy like the Bon Jovi look-alike band?
    
    

    re: biohazard fans......yeah...some of those mosh-pit morons looked
    like toxic waste themselves......i cant' believe that was going on
    around us.............one again proof of the M.A.U. theory......./k 

    
    I'm sure you harbored deep desires to join the fray, /k...
    
    ;')
    
    

    probably if she had a shotgun......Pits are great, but sometimes people
    get way to violent....I know people who mosh,...violently....they go in
    with swinging fist......hitting other moshers and anybody in the way..
    
    Bob

    oh yeah chris...in a big way i wanted to join in....fortunately i'm a
    little higher up on the food chain than those vegetables ....i think
    the guys in front of me were a little surprised when i 'suggested' that
    they stay away from me........................musta been the look in my
    eyes....remember that look chris??................;'))........../k
    
    

    
    RE: Bob
    
    I love to mosh... but Dream Theater just ain't the place to do it.
    I also can't stand Hardcore punks who swing elbows.
    
    Re: /K
    
    Yeah... I know the look. ;')

    re:
    .....a little higher up on the food chain than those vegetables.....
    
    Bwhahahahahahahahahahahaha!!
    
    /k, does that make you a /karnivore?
    
    BJ

    ...;')...yup....i'm a mammal, i need oxygen....:"0.....yeah, what chris
    said....i certainly wasn't expecting a mosh pit at dream theater...had
    i known, i wouldn't have stood where we were....no way.....yeah, those
    punks looked into the eyes of PMS and got afraid.....vewwy afwaid.....;')..
    ......./k

    
    PMS Stares have been known to kill before...
    

    through walls!!!!!!

>    Poor girl in front of me with a $1500 dollar camera was in the middle
>    of the damn mosh when it started. Hopefully she got out in one piece.
 
Having never been in a mosh I don't know, but I imagine that's GOT to 
be scary for a women, or anyone who doesn't WANT to be there and can't
get out.

   
-a

    
    Actually you can get out. You'll be pushed out eventually. It's not
    like the entire floor was a mosh.
    
    

    Do you think it would hurt this band's popularity if they're faith
    became public knowledge?

 Which is???

I don't listen to music for religion (though sometimes I listen
to religious music) so I don't really care what they are.

They just rool, that's all I know, or care. 

Music is music, is what it is.

-a

    for PRILMONSTER ... on her last day...

    ....as long as their not zen-budhists...i just HATE that in a band...
    dont you?............................/k
    

>    ....as long as their not zen-budhists...i just HATE that in a band...
>    dont you?............................/k
 
    Just don't rub their belly's and you'll be cool.   
    

    ...;').....i'm already kool....just ask anybody....;"))....../kchilly
    

Do they run around airports selling flowers?

    I coulda SWORN I saw Dream Theatre selling flowers at the airport a
    couplea nights ago!
    
    gh

    How do you think they paid for all their top notch equipment?!?!?

    Thanks Buck, for the 69...!!  8)

    Dream Theater is back in Colorado on the 2nd of February (I think)
    and tickets are now $12! (all ages show, aaack!)
    
    From $5 in November in CO, to $10 in MA, to $12 now... they're
    touring their $sses off!
    

    COop
    
    Can you cross-post that in GUITAR (don't read that conf. anymore!),
    I know a few people will be interested.
    
    As far as prices, go, the last 4 DT shows I saw cost $10, $8, $6, and
    $7.50, respectively?!
    
    
    Yes, they are touring a lot, getting the good word out...

    
    
    Yeah, I heard they were playing the City Auditorium this time. at least
    thats what I thought. I'd like to see em if thats where they are going
    to be playing.
    
                      mike
    

    Yeah, they're playing at City Auditorium, Feb. 8th. I heard it on the
    radio at lunchtime.  Tickets are available now.

    gh

  >  From $5 in November in CO, to $10 in MA, to $12 now... they're
  >  touring their $sses off!
    
    
    Gee according *certain people* (not mentioning names) in this
    conference that constitutes *selling-out*!
                                              Rat (who oughts go see them
    again since I barely remember their last performance!:)) )

    I don't think that has anything to do with selling out, just selling. 
    They're still playing the same music, aren't they?  See the "what's a
    sellout" topic (well, except for the chit-chat).
    
    gh

    I saw that topic after I wrote in here.... besides I was just trying to
    make a point to a *certain* few!
                                    Rat

Dream Theater could never sell out in my mind...

...Course I said the same thing about Metallica and MegaDeth not too long
ago...
:-)

PS - I mentioned in GUITAR notes that I was going to get tickets tomorrow 
at lunch...  You Co.Spgs noters SEND MAIL !!

>                                              Rat (who oughts go see them
>    again since I barely remember their last performance!:)) )

Thats never happened to ME before...  'Cept at Axis..

:-)

jc 

    
    
    	(insert snickering sarcastic voice here)
    	Gee Coop, can't hardly imagine why you don't remember anything
    	from Axis!  =)
    
    
    	JJ
    

    .....hey jj......word has it you were the same way at the last dezyne gig 
    at the officers club at ft. devens........
    

    
    speaking of dezyne, how about some breaded chicken, jj?
    
    

>    	(insert snickering sarcastic voice here)
>    	Gee Coop, can't hardly imagine why you don't remember anything
>    	from Axis!  =)

:-)

jc (Who was BLOTTO !)

 

    
    re: Buck
    
    	Gee, and to think you said you had a life...musta been a lie.  =)
    
    re: Rob
    
    	Don't remind me!  =)
    

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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Michael A. Heiser) says:
>
>Does anyone know if this is a Christian band?
>
>    Mike

   I don't know much about their Christian validity, but I can tell you that
there are references to the "afterlife" and the fact that "he is risen" as
well as references of symbolism of light, dark, and the spiritual world.
   As an added twist, on the inside cover of the DT album, "Images and Words"
there appears to be a modified "sculpture" of the sacred heart of Christ
which looks to be made out of wood and bob wire fence. Interesting, I thought.
   At any rate, I can't really tell if they are a Christian band, unless they
come out and say that they are. I really don't care if they are or not person-
ally, they're music is the most refreshing that I have listened to since
Marillion and King's X. Which brings up an interesting point. If you listen to
to any of the following groups, I thing you'll really like Dream Theater:

                        Rush
                        Yes
                        Marillion
                        Queensryche
                        Genesis
                        King's X

    And obviously there are other bands out there too with similiar styles
but these are just a few to compare to DT.
    Hope this helps.....

                                     -Ed

  =====================================================================
             Edwin 'Big Ed' Weiland - [email protected]
            Architectural Engineering; Penn State University
 "There are two ways to be and truth does not depend on me." --King's X
  =====================================================================



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>
>Does anyone know if this is a Christian band?
>-
>
>    Mike
>    
>    "in this day & age...music performed by humans...hum?!" 
>       - wilde silas tomkyn


Nope... they're into New Age themes in their lyrics and I met the band
last December.. the guitarist, though, is a really nice guy.. the
keyboardist probably thinks I need my medication dosage increased! ;-)

Phil

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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Phil Powell) says:
>Nope... they're into New Age themes in their lyrics and I met the band
>last December.. the guitarist, though, is a really nice guy.. the
>keyboardist probably thinks I need my medication dosage increased! ;-)
>
>Phil

  Phil,


   Are they Christians though? As in, is any member of the band a Christian?
They may not be a "Christian band", but may have Christian values, and I am
curious to know if they said anything to that effect.


                                     -Ed

   ====================================================================
               Edwin 'Big Ed' Weiland - [email protected]
              Architectural Engineering; Penn State University
   "Oh, His children smile because they know He loves them." -King's X
   ====================================================================

    .....have you ever noticed that if you look at the band picture on I&W...
    their eyes follow you no matter how you hold it............??........../k

    
    I bet you liked that /k.
    
    ;')

    ...;')...not me...you know how i just hate being the center of
    attention..................................;')00000000000.........../k

No wonder with the getup you're wearing today.  (According to Danielle
anyway - I haven't seen it)

TIm

    Hay Tim,
    
    How bout a roadtrip to Boves??

Boves' network is DOA this morning  8-(

That's a long drive, Buck....  Takes over 2 hours 8-)

>That's a long drive, Buck....  Takes over 2 hours 8-)
    
    Tim, you're talking to someone who'll drive for 15 hours to ride a
    roller coaster!!

It's 230 miles from here buck...

    I think we should do an "HM at Boves" night -- waddaya say?  A couple
    of carloads of people up there (I'll drive, WTF) ... it could happen.

    
    I went to see dream theater 300 times.
    

    -1   Most LeGenDaRY

    What's Boves??............../k

    >What's Boves??............../k
    
    Besides being Tim's node name, it's a most excellent Italian restaraunt!

    
    Where??
    

    
    
    
    Knowing buck, it's probably next to some roller coaster that we'd all
    HAVE to stop by... 

    
    
    	It's in Burlington, VT...
    
    	a good four hour drive from the Marlboro area
    
    	tigg~~~~

    Four hour drive??  Who's driving, Pete??

I've made it in 2� hours from Marlboro.  Who's riding with me?

Tim

	Is that close to Albany?   It's near the VT/NY boarder right?


						-Seth

Only 12 miles from NY...

    
    
    	'scuse me.  Guess I'm just not a maniac driver... took me
    	about three from Gardner so 2.5 from Marlboro is a bit
    	far fetched, IMO.
    
    	tigg~~~~

>    	about three from Gardner so 2.5 from Marlboro is a bit
>    	far fetched, IMO
Bet?

By the way, who's a maniac?

    No way Tigga, he was beamed up.

    
    It's on Pearl St. in Burlington VT.  I took some friends there on my
    way home from Montreal.  They were all crying about how hungry they
    were and just to stop any place.  I told them shut up and wait till you
    try it, it will be worth the wait.  I ACTUALLY got them to agree to
    this!!  They flipped!  This is the BEST italian, and it is CHEAP!!! 
    Spaghetti and meatballs is like $2.95, for a huge plate.  You get full
    loaves of excellent bread as well.  I'm always up for a trip.  My
    family has been going to this place for three generations.  Boves son
    is taking over the place these days, but he is a way cool guy.  PS, it
    takes me about 3 hours or so from here at normal speeds, though one
    year, I made it from Lebanon, NH (at the border of NH/VT) to Burlington
    in under an hour.  It was my father's birthday and Boves closed at 10. 
    I got a late start.  135mph all the way down 89 gets kind of scary,
    especially with only 2 lanes and lots of trucks on the road at that
    time of night :').  Needless to say, I'm always up for a Boves trip.  I
    only have two orders left in the freezer from my last trip :').
    
    

Kind of makes you cry when you realize my little sister lives about 5
minutes from there on North Avenue doesn't it???

    
    nope.  you cant appreciate what you can have every day (besides if i
    lived 5 minutes from boves, i'd weigh about 300 lbs.)
    

17 days until my THIRD DT show...  I can't fackin' wait !!

BTW Rob, the best Italian food is at Marconi's in Ashland Mass.

:-)

I've eaten at Boves
Boves is a good friend of mine and
Marconi's is no boves...

    
    
    Coop, I don't believe it.  I have traveled all over New England in
    search of a closer Italian resteraunt that is comparable to Boves.  I
    haven't even found ANYTHING that I call good italian, except Lucia's
    (thanks Alan, /k).  
    
    Now Tim, have you checked out Marconi's so we can laugh at coop?  If
    not, I'll check it out just to make sure :').  Where is Ashland?
    
    

    
    
    
    There is a new Italian restaraunt in Marlboro (somewhat new). In
    the place of the old City Hall Music. I haven't tried it, but I 
    guess the guy makes all his own pasta and bread etc... 
    
    

I went to a place in downtown Ashland (?)  with a fish tank in the front
and lots of booths.  You take 135 east from 495, take a left into Ashland
ctr at the Timex factory and a right onto the road past the RR tracks and
it is right there.

Is that the place Coop?  

If that's the place, don't even bother Rob, some people just don't
understand...

Timbo

Can we start a Boves's note???  I think we should

Boves - preferred by metalheads 3 to 1...

Tim

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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] (Phil Powell) writes:
>In article <[email protected]> Young Indy <[email protected]> writes:
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>[email protected] (Phil Powell) says:
>>>Nope... they're into New Age themes in their lyrics and I met the band
>>>last December.. the guitarist, though, is a really nice guy.. the
>>>keyboardist probably thinks I need my medication dosage increased! ;-)
>>>
>>>Phil
>>
>>  Phil,
>>
>>
>>   Are they Christians though? As in, is any member of the band a Christian?
>>They may not be a "Christian band", but may have Christian values, and I am
>>curious to know if they said anything to that effect.
>>
>>
>>                                     -Ed
>>
>>   ====================================================================
>>               Edwin 'Big Ed' Weiland - [email protected]
>>              Architectural Engineering; Penn State University
>>   "Oh, His children smile because they know He loves them." -King's X
>>   ====================================================================
>
>
>I never had the chance to share with them in the realm of faith - I'm
>afraid I do not know, yet their lyrics do not reflect their faith provided
>they be Christians at all...
>
>Phil
>
>--
>   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
>     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
>        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
>           internet:  laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80

After reading the words to their music it is highly doubtful to me that
they are "serious" about their faith IF any of them are Christians.  I
tend to doubt that any of them are UNFORTUNATELY.  Musically this band
is AWESOME and it's too bad that there aren't many (if any) Christian
bands with this kind of talent.  I happen to love progressive rock which
Dream Theater borders on.  I wish there were lots of Christian bands in
this genre and others that really put out good music and put on great
stage shows.  I think God deserves the best.  I listen to alot of
Christian music because it is lyrically appealing to my spirit, but musically
most of it is pretty average.  Just one guys opinion.

    re [-1]....
    
    who cares what they are?  Does it really matter?...
    
    ;), danielle

    
    I think they're human. But I'm not sure...
    
    

    
    find me ONE other than yourself.
    
    

I asked.  I thought they were chicken worshippers or something...

Tim

	Mike,  I am very surprised at you, you should know better
	that to actually put some information in this conference.
	This is not the place for ANY types of REAL information,
	it is only a place to fight about who has beeter taste,
	and who wears more makeup...


						-Seth

    Sorry Seth!

    ROb,
    
    I did ask...

    And I was also curious.  
    
    gh

    
    yep, but offline indications to me also showed you didn't really CARE. 
    it did not make a difference to you one way or another, you were only
    curious because mike brought it up in the first place, that's why i
    said show me someone who really CARES, not someone who is curious.
    
    

    Who are you talkin to, Rob?  Me? (I was .-1)  I don't remember talking
    about that offline.  I suppose I don't really *care* what their
    religious persuasion is, but I did find that discussion interesting
    reading.  (Certainly better then most of the content free chatter that
    goes on in here, at least it had something to do with a band...)
    
>you were only
>    curious because mike brought it up in the first place,
    
    Sorry, but Mike wasn't the first one to bring it up.  Buck asked
    whether DT were Christians in the CCM notesfile (note 218.0) over a
    week before  Mike's first note in this topic.  He didn't start this, he
    just tried to help out by finding the answer to Buck's question.  I
    presume he only crossposted the responses he got in here since there's
    a lot of interest in the band in this file and not many of the noters
    in here follow the CCM file.
    
    FWIW, I seriously doubt that even Mike CARES what the answer is...
    
    gh

>    curious because mike brought it up in the first place, that's why i
>    said show me someone who really CARES, not someone who is curious.
    
    Wrong again, Rob.  Buck created a DT topic in the CCM conference
    because he wanted to know.  He brought it up.
    
    Mike

    
    not what his mail said :').
    

    
    hey, just noticed labrie isnt on the first album.  howz the singer on
    wd$du.
    

    
    A big congrats to Dream Theater -- They ranked in not ONE, but THREE
    of the Top Grossing concerts in the country last week (in the Top
    40).  All three shows were sellouts.
    
    
    Hmmm, the Babyhead show I went to was a sellout, the Vertex show was a
    sellout, one of the Axis shows was a sellout...

    
    
    It wasn't because the other 37 bands had the week off was it?
    
                                                                    mike
    

Buck, how did they pull this off?  Aren't they playing clubs at
$12-$16/ticket?

    
    Probably cuz most of the big names are out of the country or didn't
    tour this week.
    
    

>    Probably cuz most of the big names are out of the country or didn't
>    tour this week.

Almost NO major acts tour in January! There are certain standars from the
music industry - and one is that all major tours end before the Christmas 
holidays, and don't start up again until the middle of winter or even spring.
(Another is that there is never a major album release in January.....)
So it's easy for any touring band to get into a Top 40 grossing situation
this time of year....

alan

    Alan writes:
    
>Almost NO major acts tour in January! There are certain standars from the
>music industry - and one is that all major tours end before the Christmas 
>holidays, and don't start up again until the middle of winter or even spring.
    
    If you'd like a listing of the MAJOR acts currntly on tour, I'll be
    happy to provide you with them...
    
    
>So it's easy for any touring band to get into a Top 40 grossing situation
>this time of year....
    
    Not really -- Look at the Phoenix at all the shows in the Boston area
    this month ... then think of how many shows just like it are happening
    around the nation, and you tell me it would be easy to log into the 
    Top 40 shows in the nation for the week???
    
    
RE: Tim 
    
    Yeah, their ticket prices are raning from $10 - $16, but the thing that
    separates them from the competition is the sellouts.  If you sell out
    at a lower ticket price, it will still beat a major who only fills
    2/3's of an arena at a much higher ticket price.
    
    
    Others doing VERY well at the moment is the Megadeth/Stone Temple Pilots
    tour, which is really ripping up ticket sales!

Not Mel Torme, not possible.

	re: Rob & Buck,


	Hey did I ever tell you guys that *I* have the first DT release? ;)
	hehehehehe  

	The guy on the first tape is no LaBrie (sp?).  He does okay,
	but I can see why he is gone....   The songs are good, but 
	it is no I&W.


						-Seth

    Dream Theater just released their 2nd single off of Images and Words --
    it's Take the Time.  Wow -- surprised, I thought it would have been
    Surrounded for sure!
    
    Anywho, since the edited Pull Me Under to death, I wonder what they'll
    do to Take the Time, which is a MUCH longer song!!

    
    Dream Theater - March 10th at the Avalon. Tickets go on sale friday.
    

    YES!!!
    
    I was gonna say, I heard them on this show this past weekend, and they
    just finished gigging Los Angeles, they said they were headed to TX,
    and then onto FL, and then back up the east coast.  Figured they'd
    be back in Boston at some point.

    
    wed night eh?  crap....  looks like a go into work late type night...
    

    We have those all the time, right /k?

    ./...i dont' know what you are talking about...i'm usually in bed by 
    10......................................./k

    >....i dont' know what you are talking about...i'm usually in bed by 
    >10......................................./k
    
    ...but what time do you go to sleep.....???........./b

    ...generally i don't....being the insomnimaniac that i am..../k
    

    
    the only time she sleeps is when i call and wake her up :').
    

    ...true....they say that timing in life is everything....and yours
    sux rob...............................;').................../k

    Yo, Buck!
    
    Do you know when DT is supposed to be in FLA?
    
    Beejay

    >Do you know when DT is supposed to be in FLA?
    
    Nein!
    

    Beg pardon all, but for the learning impaired, could someone please
    explain just what occured with this band? I went back and checked
    the old notes, they had some kind of court battle with another band,
    got that part! Now, how long has the re-released "Images and Words"
    been out, and what was the outcome of their court battle?
    
    Sheesh! Gotta go scour the music stores for "When Day and Dream Unite"
    now, off to Tower Records I go...
    
    
                                                 Thanks in Advance,
                                                  Spaceknight
    

    
    huh?  court battle? i&w rereleased?  did i miss something?
    

    Who is going to DT? Is is 18 and older? Mar 10?

>    Who is going to DT?
    
    Been there, don't care to go back.  I mean, the people were nice
    enough, but the heaves, shakes, and headaches don't cut it.  I have an
    aversion to white lab coats now.
    
    gh

    I'm going (but you knew that).  The show is 19+

    
    
    HAHA HEHEHE,,, Greggy your too much!

    
    I didn NOT!~

    
    i will attempt to be there.  

    RR... Can I get tickets at Strawberries?  is that Mar 10?
    Thank you very much

    Here is the concert info for anyone who missed it in 22.*
    
    BAND:	Dream Theater
    WHEN:	Wednesday, March 10th
    WHERE:	Avalon Ballroom, Lansdowne Street, Boston, MA  (Next to AXIS)
    SHOW:	...is 19+
    TICKETS:	Through TicketMaster outlets
    

    
    in otherwords, no you cant get tickets at strawberries.  ticketmaster
    or door only.
    

	Hey Crumpet,

	Can I get tickets at Record Town????


					

    Boy these guys are busy tourin'!  
    
    Nov- CO
    Dec- MA 
    Feb-CO
    March- MA again?
    

    Buck, in the Radio_Radio notesfile, they have the Dream Theater show
    listed as Friday, March 19th at the Avalon....which one is it?
    
    :), d

    >Buck, in the Radio_Radio notesfile, they have the Dream Theater show
    >listed as Friday, March 19th at the Avalon....which one is it?
    
    The show IS Wednesday, March 10th.  I asked the person who posted
    that WTF he was doing, and he said it was a typo -- the "9" and
    the "0" being right next to each other, etc.

    Is it reserved seating?  When does the show start?
    
    DOn't know (yet) if I'll be in town or if I can go.  If I can
    pick up tix on the day of the show and not have to sit alone I'm
    interested.

>    If I can pick up tix on the day of the show and not have to sit alone
>    I'm interested.                                          
    
    I go to almost every show I see anymore alone.  Not from lack of asking
    people to join me, it just never seems to work out (or nobody wants to
    see the groups I do).  If I waited around for someone to go to shows
    with, I'd miss basically everyone I want to see.
    
    gh

    
    reserve seating???!?!?!?  hahahahaha!!!!!
    
    more like sardine seating.  prepare to be squished and sweat.
    you wont be able to walk or see either :').
    
    

    Rob,
    
    The auditorium in CO Springs was *empty* :-(
    

    
    wow!!!!!
    
    just the opposite here.  /k and d. almost got run over by a runaway
    skinhead pit that suddenly broke out (several times) :') when they were
    at chapter '11'.  packed everyplace 
    
    thats right, you were there at axis.
    

    >>just the opposite here.  /k and d. almost got run over by a runaway
    >>skinhead pit that suddenly broke out (several times) :') when they were
    >>at chapter '11'.  packed everyplace
    
    Yeee.....that was a night..... 

    DT are way big up here in the northeast!!  I've seen them twice at
    Axis, once at Chap 11, once at Vertex, and once at Babyhead.  The
    only show that wasn't a sardine pit was the first show at Axis I
    caught with /k (we actually had seats!).  Everything after that
    has been a sold-out sardine nightmare!! 
    
    I expect the Avalon show to see-out, so I don't know about "day of"
    tickets.  I would DEFINITELY get them in advance kids!
    
    The avalon show will be "General Admission", but is multi-level in
    there, so you can choose a certain elevation to stand at to see (if
    you get there early enough).
    

    
    
    I don't think there will be problems getting tickets the day of 
    the show for Avalon..
    
    

    Avalon holds 1500 people -- you take your chances...

    I was listening to Dream Theater this morning, and I really hate the way 
    they end "Pull Me Under".....it's just chopped off at the end.....
    
    
    
    
    

    
    
    Well, considering when they played Axis I had no problem getting in.
    I think Avalon will be no problem.. 

    I guess you didn't see where it said LAST TWO shows...

    I don't know how many tickets they sold here in Colorado
    Springs, but it is an auditorium, much like a basketball court,
    and the seats were only filled to half court, and no one sitting
    up on the side bleachers (they weren't letting anyone).  We
    got advanced tickets because we thought they'd sell out (and
    paid $16) when we could have gotton them at the door for $12.
    The sound was terrible in the place (BAD acoustics!)  I don't
    think they were quite ready for the auditorium yet, they sold
    out the local club (Rack and Roll) their first time around.
    It was an all ages show both times.  Most of the people there
    at the concert were the local musicians.  I could pick out 
    several bands in the crowd.
    
    cj                                     

    Which shows were your last two shows?

    >Which shows were your last two shows?
    
    Vertex and Babyhead

    
    
    Well, isn't Avalon bigger than both of those? I went to the last show
    they played in Boston.. big hype on WAAF, PMU was getting massive
    airplay... and they still didn't sell out.. looked pretty close, but
    no problem getting in. 
    
    I would think twice if they were playing Axis.. but Avalon, I would'nt
    worry.. 
    
    
    Whit-

    Any advice for going to this show at Avalon?  I ordered my tix
    over the phone but I've never been to Avalon.  I know how to get
    there but how early (a) do they open the doors and (b) is it wise to 
    get there?  I usually avoid gen. ad. shows but I really really want
    to see this band.
    
    And parking, is there usually space at that garage next door?  How 
    much of a ripoff is it?  Coming in from the countryside I probably
    won't have much choice about it, since it'll be hard to leave work
    by 6.  
    
    Thanks for any info...
    Laurie B.
    

    Park in an empty lot with no attendant...it's free and you probably
    won't get towed, unless they want to tow 20 cars along with yours...
    there is one down the street from Axis, past the taxi building...

    This band sucks, I don't understand why anyone would want to go see
    them.
    

    RE:-1
    
    It must be PMS, you still haven't gotton over that Greg? ;-)

    Greg...May_Be It's a TOOMAH!!   :_)
    
    I still haven't heard Enuff of this band to give MHO.
    
      Crazy_Yeah"I'm_In_The_Dark_Ages"_Al

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    I pulled this off the Usenet a couple weeks ago... just fyi for any DT
    followers that are interested in joining the Dream Team...
    
 
If you want to join the fan club and get all kinds of free stuff,
send $20 (+ $3.50 US, $5 Canada) to The Dream Team, P.O. Box 230156,
Hartford, CT 06123-0156.  Send your name, address and shirt size. 

    Oooooooohhh....the "DREAM TEAM".......

    
    Buck, I think Dream Theater should hire you as their personal
    publicist.
    
    

    
    400 Dreaming Replies
    

    
    I've only got one thing to say...Dream Theater fackin roolz the
    universe, ok? <puff> You can take your Warrant's and your Motley Crue's
    and your Poison's and all thsoe AC/DC wanna-be bands and get em all
    together in a McDonald's and wait for some maniac to come along and
    blow em all away, ok?  And you know who that manic is?  I'll tell you
    who it is ... two words -- Dream Theater, that's who!  Ya got it? 
    <puff> These guys were in the woodshed practicing their little brains
    off while most rockers were busy soiling their diapers and trying to
    mousse that little curl on the top of their bald little heads! <puff>
    I've got two words for you -- Berklee College.  I've got two more words
    for you -- Musical Literacy!  So, next time your done listening to
    those sophomoric metal meanderings of yours, why don't you do yourself
    and your brain a favor and walk right down to that little corner record
    store, you know, the one next to the convience store where you buy beer
    and condoms every friday night? <puff> You walk in the record store,
    and you say to the little pimple-faced geek working behind the register
    "listen man, I want to buy Images and Words right now, or there are
    gonna be a lot of messy cheeseburgers, you got it?  Bottom line, Dream
    Theater fackin rooolz the universe...period...end of discussion!

    
    I think they suck.
    
    

    BIG TIME SUCK.....

    Well Chrisco, if you think they suck so much, why don't you give your
    I&W CD to Whitpose -- I mean, he DID win it from you in the first
    place?!

    
    Because I keep forgetting that's why. If he'd remind me, I'd give it to
    him.
    
    
    
    
    
    

    >Because I keep forgetting that's why. If he'd remind me, I'd give it to
    >him.
    
    It;s not like he hasn't asked:
    
Note 542.223                      Dream Theater                       223 of 405
MR4DEC::JWHITMAN                                      7 lines   7-JAN-1993 11:58
                                    -< ;') >-
    
    RE: 222    -< I still have to buy the CD.........>-
    
    
    So does'nt Chris Escobar... I WANT *MY* CD!!!!! 
    
    
Note 542.240                      Dream Theater                       240 of 405
MR4DEC::JWHITMAN                                      7 lines   8-JAN-1993 12:33
    
    
    I think PMU is cool.. I'll let you know what I think about the 
    rest of it once I get my free cd from Escoblouse... 

    
    Er... well... he hasn't said please... ;')
    
    
    

    
    
    Thanks buck!!! 
    
    WHERE'S MY CD ESCO!?!? 

    
    It's right in the middle of my CD collection. And guess what, I even
    replaced the Jewel Box cuz it was cracked. What a nice guy I am, eh?
    
    

    
    
    What a nice guy.. now give me my cd ya scumbag.. I'm gonna hafta
    report it stolen and call your ole'man.. 
    
    Then again, if I did that he'd probably just arrest me for some
    minor violation.. ;')

    
    >> Then again, if I did that he'd probably just arrest me for some
    >> minor violation.. ;')
    
    	Up against the car, you long haired freak! 
    
    ;')
    
    
    

    re: .401
    
    Yer lucky I don't still have my reply when you sent me that a couple of
    months ago...
    ;^)
      
    gh

    FYI -- here is the info on how to obtain copies of Dream Theater's
    first (and now out-of-print) album, "When Dream and Day Unite"..
    
    DISCLAIMER: I am totally un-connected with the person described below,
    and receive no monitary reimbursement for the following post.  The info
    contained below is being posted FYI ONLY -- If you're interested in the
    material being offered, you can take it from there.
    
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Dream Theater - When Dream And Day Unite (Cass) [USA] $3.95
Dream Theater - When Dream And Day Unite [Germany] $18.95
    
   The debut release by this band has been sought after since the original US
CD issue went out-of-print in short order.  A cassette version is available to
those interested in sampling the band, while a German reissue is available
for those who prefer the CD format.  Musically, I would classify this as AOR
with a progressive bent, along with bands such as Magellan and Echolyn.
    
    
    Interested parties, please send a reply to ...
                       
                         US1RMC::"[email protected]"
    
Once I get your reply, I will send you an invoice.  Shipping costs are $1.95
for an order with a single CD, and $2.95 for any order with 2 or more CDs.
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Date:    Mon, 1 Mar 93 15:32 EST
From: "Jeff Hochberg" <[email protected]>
Subject: Interview with Mike Portnoy

Newsgroups: alt.rock-n-roll.metal,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.progressive
Subject: Interview: Mike Portnoy of Dream Theater

Alright! It's finished! For those of you who DON'T subscribe to Ytsejam
(the Dream Theater mailing list), here's the deal. On Saturday I had
an interview scheduled with Mike Portnoy for my radio show (The Metal
Machine on WPSU), and thought it would be a neat idea to post it to
usenet as well. I came up with a whole interview's worth of my own
questions, but I thought it would also be a cool idea if I could
include questions from net.fans all over the world. So I posted an
article (to the mailing list) to this effect, recieved a bunch of
questions via e-mail, and incorporated them into the interview.

The scenario: It's about 8:30 pm on Saturday, February 27th. I'm at
 Hammerjack's in Baltimore, and the pre-show "meet & greet" party for
 the band, a bunch of Rock 103 contest winners, and some other various
 VIPs is in full swing. I've just finished talking to Mike and his tour
 manager about when and where our interview will take place, and the
 consensus is: after the party, upstairs in the dressing room. Cool.
 I have a couple of beers, hang out with my friends, mingle with the
 band a little (who are finished with soundcheck and have just taken
 a peek at the final edit of their new video), and about an hour later
 the party is over. Mike, myself, and a couple of others go upstairs to
 a little room adjacent to the dressing room, close the door, sit down
 on the floor Indian-style, and start to B.S. I pull out my notebook
 and tape recorder, press RECORD, and the here's what happened:

        MY INTERVIEW WITH MIKE PORTNOY (slightly edited)
        ------------------------------------------------

Mike: [talking directly into the microphone, acting goofy] Hi,
      this is Mike Portnoy! And we're here in Baltimore, in
      some shabby room at Hammerjack's.

Me: So, this is pretty much the last couple weeks of the tour
    here in the U.S.?...

Mike: Yeah, we've been out 5 months now, and we've got about 2
      more weeks here, workin' our way up the east coast... then
      we get a much-needed 10 days off, and then we go to Europe
      for a month. So we're gonna be leaving for Europe at the
      end of March and we'll be there till the end of April...
      we're playing England, Germany, Scotland, Holland, Italy,
      France, Spain, places like that. Places that we've never
      been and have always dreamed about...

Me: And what happens after that? I read in an article somewhere
    that you're supposed to be touring through the fall?

Mike: Well, I'm sure we're gonna tour all year, up until the end
      of the year... I'm not sure exactly what our plans are for
      after Europe, but one of 2 things will happen, I mean, by
      the time we get back from Europe, that'll be 7 months on
      our own, headlining, so we're definitely ready to move up.
      The ideal situation for us would be to pick up on another
      major tour, an opening slot, just because we've done 7
      months on our own now, so... hopefully, there's a couple
      things in the works with another major act that could work
      out, and if for some reason those fall through, then we'll
      just continue doing what we're doing now...

Me: I know you had that one show over the summer with Iron
    Maiden... have any other bands approached you about an
    opening slot?

Mike: Yeah, well, there's a couple of things in the works... I
      don't wanna jinx 'em, I'm superstitious (grins)...

Me: ..that's cool....

Mike: ...hopefully they'll pan out, and during the summer we'll
      be out with another band.

Me: And when you do come back to the States again, will it be another
    big huge leg, because people are asking from all over the place,
    you know, "when are they coming back to the west coast? When are
    they coming here or there..."

Mike: Well, definitely summertime we'll be back in the States, doing it
      from the middle of May on, it's just a matter of whether we'll be
      doing it ourselves or with another band. We've hit pretty much all
      the major markets in the States at least once, doing clubs and
      stuff, and next time out we're probably gonna a step up and
      start doing theaters and stuff... we've been doing a bunch of
      theaters on this leg now, just because the response has been so
      well. The turnouts are great, so we're gonna start stepping up to
      bigger places, finally.

Me: You mentioned before that you guys had just checked out the new
    video that just got finished, can you tell us anything about it?

Mike: Well, it's a video for "Take the Time"... it's an edited version,
      of course, but it's not that bad, because it's still about 6
      minutes long... It's actually, in our eyes, the first Dream
      Theater video, because the video for "Pull Me Under", as great as
      it's done for us, I mean, it's great that MTV is playing it as
      much as they are, but it's not really the video that we wanted.
      It was a last-minute thing, it was done on a low budget, we didn't
      have too much input into the making of it, it was just like [snaps
      his fingers] the label just put it out just to have something out
      there. So luckily MTV's playing it, I mean we didn't even expect
      that, so that's great, we can't complain, but this time out, this
      video is really the first video that we're really involved with
      the making of. It's just a performance video, there's no
      conceptual footage, no other actors, it's just us playing and it
      really showcases us playing, you can see the instruments, and it
      has a lot of personality to it. It's just a performance thing...

Me: Was it actually at a show, or did you play in an empty hall, or
    whatever?..

Mike: Yeah, it was a soundstage where we filmed it. It was a 14 hour
      shoot, and the soundstage had about 3 different stages, so we
      shot some of it in one setting, and some of it in a different
      setting, you know, but no audience involved. This way we could
      just focus on what we were doing, whereas the first time around
      the footage of us was live at a show, so we weren't able to
      really focus on the filming of it.

Me: OK... let's see...

Mike: Would anybody like some gum? [shares his gum with us, and then
      [leans over and says directly into the mic] This is good gum!

Me: I don't think I really have to ask this, but I think I will just
    for the record anyway: how do you guys feel about the edited
    versions of your songs?

Mike: It's definitely... insulting to us, as artists or whatever you
      want to say, you know, just to have have something that we spent
      so long putting together just chopped up and thrown away like
      that, you know? It's like bringing up a baby, spending all this
      time bringing up a baby and then somebody just takes it and like
      tattoos it or something [?]... So, it's tough. It's a tough call,
      I mean at first we completely objected to doing edits and stuff,
      but I guess with a band like ours where we're writing 8, 9, 10
      minute songs, it's inevitable that some stations are going to
      need shorter versions to fit into their format, so.. it's alright,
      we can deal with it, as long as we have creative control over
      what the edit is. And luckily a lot of the cool stations are
      playing the full-length versions anyway... and the most important
      thing is: I'd rather have the label let us record the 10 minute
      versions and then edit it for release than having us edit them
      to begin with on the record, I mean the most important thing is,
      when its 10 years from now, they're not gonna be listening to the
      edited version on the radio, they're gonna have the record in
      their record collection, and that's gonna have the full-length
      versions. So, the versions that are on the album, at least
      they're full-length and we're able to have the full songs there.
      Even if somebody hears the edited version on the radio, they're
      gonna go out and get the full-length version anyway, so that's
      most important.

Me: Just out of curiosity, are the edits a contractual thing, or
    pressured on you, or voluntary....

Mike: It's just one of the many creative pressures... it's one of those
      creativity things you lose control over. The more people you have
      involved and the more "business" it becomes, the less creative
      control you have.

Me: So there's no clause in the contract or anything.

Mike: No, but it's like... if we refused to have edits, then they're
      not gonna release singles and do videos, so we have to get the
      music out to reach people some way or another... Actually, the
      CD single for "Take the Time" has liner notes on the back that
      we wrote, asking radio programmers to take the time to play the
      full-length versions.

Me: Really? Because I have the promotional single right here, and it's
    just plain white.

Mike: Yeah, that's not actually the fully packaged one, that was just
      an advance one that they sent out real quick. You'll probably be
      getting the real one this week if you haven't already. It's fully
      packaged and it's got a cover, and on the back it's got a note
      from us asking you to play the full-length version. It says,
      "Think of all the things you could do in 8 minutes, you can go
      to the bathroom, you could have a cigarette, [everyone laughs]
      you could catch up on some sleep..." so hopefully we can persuade
      them to use it as "bathroom music".

Me: A-ha... inside the mind of a DJ. Let's see... when I talked to you
    in Pittsburgh, you mentioned something about an EP possibly coming
    later this year with "A Change of Seasons" on it?

Mike: Well, it's still a possibility. Whatever our next release is,
      "A Change of Seasons" will on it. Whether or not we do the EP or
      we just hold it for the next album, we don't know yet, I mean
      there's been talk about us doing an EP with "A Change of Seasons"
      and some live tracks, but it's just talk right now. But it will
      be released... whatever our next release is, it'll be on there.

Me: And that's your lyric-writing debut...

Mike: See, that's why I don't have any lyrics on this album, because
      "A Change of Seasons" was supposed to have been on this album,
      and, I mean, that song is the equivalent of like 4 or 5 songs,
      lyrically. So when everyone was saying, "OK, I'll write these
      lyrics, I'll write these lyrics..." for all the rest of the
      songs that are on the album, I didn't take any because it
      would've been too much [laughs], and I ended up getting dicked
      out of lyrics altogether...

Me: Yeah, I have that song on a demo...

Mike: With vocals, or without?

Me: Without. I've never heard the one with. What are the lyrics
    about? It's kind of weird to talk about a song that no one's
    heard yet, but...

Mike: It's sort of like a whole conceptual thing broken down into 4
      different sections, lyrically. It's using the different seasons
      as a metaphor for the different emotions that the main character
      is going through... it's almost like _The Wall_, it's sort of
      like this one character who's going through all these different
      emotional things: he's dealing with death, he's dealing with
      relationships, and it's sort of like his point of view, and...
      going insane and not being able to cope with all these problems,
      and it's just using the seasons as a metaphor for all these
      different emotions and feelings that he's going through. So
      each section is a different state of mind for the main
      character.

Me: Would you ever consider doing a concept album in the future?
    Some people say that _Images and Words_ is kind of thematic in
    some ways...

Mike: Yeah, that wasn't on purpose, that was just coincidental...
      because we were all writing, drawing from the same inspirations.
      All the lyrics on this album were written during the period
      when we didn't have a singer and were changing labels and
      changing management, so we were all dealing with bad situations,
      and that came out in the lyrics. But, I mean, "A Change of
      Seasons" is as close to a concept album or a concept piece as
      we've ever gotten, so there'll be that, and someday, I mean, we'd
      love to do it. All of our favorite bands have concept albums, you
      you know, Genesis, Marillion, Rush and Yes.... so it's something
      we would love to do...

Me: Hmmm...

Mike: ..Queensryche...

Me: Tell me a little bit about how you guys get together and write...

Mike: Basically, the four of us- I say four, not including James just
      because he wasn't there for the writing of this album- the four
      of us just get to rehearsal without any preconceived ideas and
      we'll just start... you know, somebody will have an inspiration
      musically and start coming up with something, and maybe I'll come
      up with a cool time signature change on the drums or something,
      you know, a different groove, and that'll spark the bass line,
      and then the guitar and keyboards will- and this is just one
      example, I mean it's different of course with every single section
      of the song- but, it's just like a chain reaction thing. We get
      together and start shooting out ideas and the sparks start flying,
      you know, the creative sparks just [snaps his fingers] keep going,
      and then we all start putting in these ideas, and it's like,
      "well, let's take this part, and we'll play it this time in 3/4,
      and then later on we'll do it in 4/4, and we'll bring it back
      in.." All these ideas just keep accumulating and accumulating
      and growing, and it turns into the song. It turns into a 10
      minute song, next thing you know... [laughs]

Me: We heard you guys playing at soundcheck, working on some stuff...

Mike: Yeah, that was actually "A Change of Seasons". We haven't played
      that in about a year, and we're gonna actually make its
      premiere next week in New York. We're doing this show at the
      Limelight next week, it's next Thursday, March 4th.. and they're
      promoting it as like a big theater show, almost like going to a
      play... no opening band, we're gonna do two hour-long sets, with
      a 20 minute intermission, and they're gonna hand out programs,
      like a playbill, they're gonna have ushers in tuxedos, they're
      gonna have curtains all around the stage and stuff... So, we
      wanted to do some special stuff there, so we're gonna do a bunch
      of unreleased stuff, a lot of old stuff that we haven't been
      doing, and...

Me: Do "March of the Tyrant"!

Mike: Oh god [laughs]... that is OLD.

Me: I love the ending of that song. In fact, was gonna suggest that if
    you were trying to think of other stuff to do as B-sides or
    whatever, make that into a instrumental...

Mike: I would love to do some of that old stuff, but it's tough getting
      the whole band to agree even to do stuff off our first album, so
      no one feels like we're taking a step backwards, you know, "we
      wanna look forward to the future...", that whole attitude, so...
      But I would love to do some of that old stuff, just for the
      nostalgic purposes.

Me: OK, along the same songwriting-type lines, this is something I'm
    personally really curious about. How do you guys write the vocal
    melodies, since your songs start out as instrumentals... do you
    come up with it as a band, or hand the lyrics to the singer and
    say "work on it", or what...

Mike: No, actually, the melodies come from whoever happens to write
      the lyrics. Usually what we'll do is we'll go through that whole
      music-writing process that I was just talking.... we'll go
      through that, we'll put the song together, and as we're writing
      it. we'll consciously say "OK, this'll be a vocal section, this'll
      be the first verse, OK, then this'll be the chorus, this'll be the
      second verse..." So we know where the lyrics are gonna go once the
      song is done, and once the song is done, then one person will
      say, "Hey, I've got an idea for the lyrics" and somebody will
      just grab the song and go away and write lyrics. The case in the
      past has been that whoever wrote the lyrics, wrote the lyrics
      with melodies in mind, so... up till now it's been weird, because
      we've always written without a singer. Our whole first album was
      written before Charlie was in the band, and this whole album was
      written before James was in the band, so whoever writes the lyrics
      writes 'em with melodies in mind, and then, in the case of this
      album at least, they would work with James and give him the
      melody ideas and phrasings that they had in mind when they were
      writing the lyrics, and then James, of course, embellishes them
      and puts his touch on them, but usually the lyricist works on
      all the melodies.

Me: How many vocalists, roughly, did you audition before you found
    James?

Mike: Well, we got about... over 200 tapes, but we didn't physically
      *audition* 200 people. But yeah, we got about 200 tapes, I've
      got a box about that big [pointing to a box] filled with tapes..
      But out of those 200 or so tapes, we only only auditioned maybe
      20. I mean, it took a lot for us to actually call up somebody.
      You know, out of all those tapes.... there were so many different
      qualities we were looking for, and the only one you can really
      get off the tape is the voice, and only so many people even got
      past that first point where we actually liked the tape and called
      the person up. So we auditioned about 20 people, and some of
      them, we would work with- there were a couple people we worked
      with for like weeks or months at a time- and then other people
      just came down for one audition and we just knew it wasn't it.
      So... it was tough, man, it was a very, very tough period for us.

Me: What did the audition consist of, and what were the criteria, aside
    from finding who could go *Aaaaaaaaaa!* in tune...

Mike: Well, we were looking for, obviously, someone with a wide range
      and a good voice, a good strong voice... something that was
      melodic, so those were all the aspects of the voice we were
      looking for, but there's also their "look", you know, we wanted
      someone who looked unified with us as a band... that was a little
      bit of a problem with Charlie, and somebody who had a common
      musical direction. A lot of musicians like progressive music
      and the kind of music we play, but very few singers can actually
      get it, you know, most singers want to do more commercial stuff,
      so it was tough to find a singer with a common musical direction
      or vision as ours, so that was important, and of course a
      personality, somebody that we can live with every day for the
      rest of our lives and be able to work with. And as far as the
      process goes... if we liked the tape, we would call the person
      up, chat with them, see if they were cool or not, we'd tell them
      to learn a bunch of songs off the first album at that point,
      because that's all that was available. They would come down, run
      through those songs... if they got past that part, then we
      would start breaking out new ideas and saying, "hey, sing this"
      and seeing how well they could improvise, how well they could
      take creative ideas and mold them. So it was very, very
      frustrating, and a long process...and only one survived, and
      that's the Canadian that's in the band now. [laughs]

Me: A good choice, I'd say. Just out of curiosity, what ever became
    of Charlie?

Mike: He's a lot older than us, he's in his 40's now, his early 40's,
      and it just never worked out with him, and as far as what he's
      doing now, I don't know. We saw him once on this tour, and that
      was our first time seeing him in years...

Me: Was the parting amicable? Was he fired?

Mike: He was fired... he didn't leave the band. We kicked him pretty
      hard, actually. But we left on good terms, I mean, I lived with
      him for about a year, when he was in the band we lived together.
      We were all pretty close, so we left on good terms, but then
      things went sour after that because he was bad-mouthing us, and
      I guess things would get back to him that we were bad-mouthing
      him and stuff, so it got a little rough after the breakup, so
      we didn't really stay in touch with him. I don't know what he's
      doing.

Me: OK, this is a little bit off the subject, but a lot of people have
    been wondering about the status of Watchtower and Fates Warning.
    I figured since you're friends with 'em, you could let us know
    what the deal is....

Mike: Actually, I just saw members from each band. As far as
      Fates Warning goes, we just saw Ray in Arizona and Jim in
      L.A. just a couple of weeks ago, and contrary to popular
      belief, they haven't broken up, they're working on new
      material, and looking for a new record deal. They got out
      of their deal on Metal Blade, which is something they had
      to do to really move forward, but it's gonna take a while
      before they can really get a new deal, you know, this stuff
      takes time, so.... they're just working on new material and
      looking for a new deal, and they'll be back. And
      Watchtower... we just saw Doug and Rick when we were in
      Austin 2 weeks ago, and they've been on hold for years for
      two reasons: first of all, because they've been looking for
      a new singer, and they can't find a new singer, and Ron,
      the guitarist, he's been through a couple of hand
      operations. He hasn't been able to play guitar in a couple
      years, so his hand is finally healing, he's finally
      playing, and they've just been waiting for his hand to heal
      all this time, and now he's finally playing again, they're
      getting the band back together, and they're still looking
      for a singer, but we also saw Jason McMaster, who was their
      old singer who's now with Dangerous Toys, and they were
      talking about possibly doing a reunion album, like Jason
      going back to the band and then just doing an album
      together. So, there's what Watchtower's doing....

Me: Cool, thanks. OK... compared to your first album, this album
    obviously has such a fuckin' awesome, huge sound. How much of
    this to you attribute to your producer, better technology,
    bigger budget, or all of those things?..

Mike: Probably the first and the third. Better technology is
      probably only because it was in the hands of the right
      people, but I think the 2 reasons that the album might
      sound bigger and better are obviously the producer... I
      think David did a great job getting the sounds, the record
      sounds really good and full and clear, and everything is
      audible. That's one factor, and the other factor is
      obviously money and time. Being on a major label, we
      got a much bigger budget, I mean, our first album we did in
      like 3 weeks on $30,000, this time around we had over 2
      months and we did it for over 200,000. So, you know, you
      get what you pay for, so you get more studio time and you
      get a better producer... so, those were all the factors, I
      suppose.

Me: Taking all that time and care in doing the album, what types
    of things did you do differently? In particular, the drums
    and the guitars sound much, much better...

Mike: What did we do differently? We were able to just
      concentrate on everything a little bit more, and work on
      getting better sounds. The first time around, everything
      was so rushed, we had 3 weeks, and that's including the
      mix, so we had about 2 weeks to record and about a week to
      mix the first album. It's sort of like, you get in there,
      bang out your parts, OK, on to the next instrument, it's
      like one after another. This time around we were able to
      really pick the parts apart and analyze them and try
      different ways of playing them, different ways of
      orchestrating them... and, you know, we were just able to
      relax and be able to concentrate on the sounds and the
      orchestration of the instruments.

Me: Is the snare drum sound a triggered sample?

Mike: [snort].. yes. Unfortunately... that wasn't my choice, it
      was forced upon me by our producer. But I won't get into
      that.

Me: It sounds nice and punchy, though.

Mike: Yeah, it's punchy, but... It's big when it's supposed to be
      big, but it's also big when it's not supposed to be big.

Me: Was that the only thing, because I can't tell if the rim
    clicks and stuff were samples also...

Mike: There was an occasional acoustic snare drum mixed in, I
      mean, we recorded all my natural drum sounds, and then had
      the option of triggering it, so at times, when it was
      really dynamic or there were a lot of intricate parts going
      on, we tried to mix in the acoustic snare sound as much as
      possible. But, that's the one thing that bothers me about
      the album is some of the stuff on the drum sounds. I think
      they sound great overall, but there's a lot of fine-tuning
      that I would have personally liked to have done, but, you
      know... that's another story.

Me: What's the status on plans for re-releasing the first album?
    Are there any?...

Mike: Hopefully... I mean, everybody's looking for it,
      everybody's asking for it, and nobody can get it. Atco is
      looking into buying the rights to it an re-releasing it.
      Someday it'll happen, I'm sure.. but hopefully it'll happen
      soon. Hopefully this year, but I don't know.

Me: Any chance of re-mixing it or anything?

Mike: Yeah, if they were gonna re-release it, we would like to
      re-mix it. And people have asked if we would re-do the
      vocals: I don't think so, just because, you know, that's
      not the way it was. So we'd leave Charlie on there, and
      hopefully re-mix it. As far as James doing those songs,
      we'd like to release live versions or something so people
      can hear him singing it, but... Hopefully that'll all
      happen. We're crossing our fingers, just because a lot of
      people are looking for it.

Me: OK, let's see here... "The Killing Hand". This is more a
    question for John, but someone wanted to know what the
    inspiration was for the lyrics on that song. Isn't that a
    science fiction story he wrote, or something?

Mike: Yeah. I'll answer for John, so it won't be COMPLETELY
      accurate, but it'll be my interpretation of the story that
      he tells. It's science fiction... it's just a story he made
      up, it's sort of a Twilight Zone sort of story that deals
      with somebody- at least this is was he says- it deals with
      somebody standing in front of a wall, like a memorial, and
      seeing all the names of people that have died from a war,
      and the character is wondering how they all died, and
      somehow he gets miraculously brought back in time and he's
      able to see actually how all these people died... and there
      was some sort of holocaust or something... and I'm being
      very vague and general, but this is basically it... he
      witnesses a holocaust or something, where there's a leader
      wiping out all these people. Basically, he goes back to the
      wall, you know, by the end of the song, "when I go back
      again, will it be the same"...

Me: Yeah, I'm rushing through the lyrics in my head as you're
    describing it...

Mike: So he goes back to the wall, and then there's one more
      name.. "one more name appears" on the wall, and it's HIS
      name, and the big twist... the big Rod Serling twist, I
      believe, is that HE was the Killing Hand. He was the one,
      by going back in time, that killed all these people, or
      something like that...

Me: Wow.

Mike: ...and the key phrase is: "or something like that".
      [everyone laughs]

Me: Is "Metropolis" the same type of thing? Does he do a lot of
    writing like that, like writing a little story first?...

Mike: Yeah, I guess John's lyrics come from from like a storybook
      sort of thing, a fictional thing. Of course there are
      exceptions, but I think that's more of where he's coming
      from, almost like the old Neil Peart lyrics. And Kev is
      more from like a religious or a spiritual sort of
      inspiration, he writes a lot of stuff like that.

Me: That leads right into my next question. Does the band have
    any particular religious or spiritual beliefs? Not as a
    whole, but the individuals...

Mike: Not as a whole. Individually, I mean, I'll speak for
      myself, I don't have any particular religious beliefs or
      anything, but I think if there's any person in the band
      that is very inspired by religious and spiritual sort of
      things, it's Kev. You'd have to ask him, but he's real into
      that sort of stuff. John Myung, too, he's really into that
      sort of thing too, so Kevin and John are more up that sort
      of alley.

Me: What were some of your personal drumming influences, who made
    you want to pick up sticks and start playing?

Mike: When I started... I mean, I grew up listening to music
      since I was a *little* kid... my dad was a disc jockey on
      the radio, and he was very hip, he was listening to a lot
      of the stuff in the 60's when I was born, so as soon as I
      was born I was listening to the Beatles, and the Who, and
      the Stones, and Hendrix, and the Doors... so I was like
      this little rock-n-roll kid when I was real young, I mean,
      I was like the only kid in my elementary school who had
      hundreds of records and stuff, so, when I started playing
      drums, back then I was listening to a lot of Kiss and
      stuff like that, the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, the Who, so
      those were some of my first big drum influences, like Keith
      Moon and John Bonham. Then I started listening to stuff
      that was a little bit more progressive, like Rush and Yes,
      so Neil Peart was my drum GOD for years and years and
      years, I mean that's all I did was listen to Rush. The same
      goes for the other guys in the band, too, Rush is the big
      one. So I was listening to Peart and stuff like that, and a
      lot of Frank Zappa... his music was a big, big influence on
      me, and still is, and then through the years I started
      listening to a lot more heavy stuff, lot of the heavy
      thrash bands like Anthrax, Metallica, Testament, Pantera,
      so all those drummers influenced me with my double-bass and
      stuff. And then a lot of more jazz-oriented stuff, like
      Chick Corea, like Dave Weckl on drums, and Al DiMeola and
      stuff like that... but I don't know. It's not only drummers
      that influence me, it's just music in general. I can get as
      much inspiration on the drums listening to the production
      on a Public Enemy album as I can listening to a Chick Corea
      album listening to Dave Weckl play drums, or listening to
      Jane's Addiction or Pantera, you know, so it's just trying
      to listen to as many different styles of music as possible
      and just take it all in.

Me: Someone came up with the idea to start a petition drive to
    get you guys on tour with Rush.. [laughs] He wanted me to
    run that by you and see if that would have your blessing. You
    guys are on the same label and all...

Mike: Yeah! Yeah, do it. Hey, I mean, that would be incredible.
      It's just a matter of timing at this point.. I don't know
      when their new album is due, but I haven't heard anything
      about it. We're gonna be touring all year, so it would be
      great if it could work out. Actually, another one of our
      childhood dreams came true a couple of weeks ago. We've
      always wanted Rush to hear us, or see us, our bring us on
      tour with them or whatever, and just a couple of weeks ago,
      actually, not Rush, but the other big one for us, Yes, came
      down to see us when we played out in Hollywood, so that was
      incredible for us, we were awe-inspired by them, man, it
      was like we were scared shitless to go on. [everybody
      laughs] We're hanging out in the dressing room, and they
      all came in, and it was like, "Fuck, man, how the hell are
      we gonna go on now?" So that was cool...

Me: This may be covered by the possible EP, but do you plan to
    release a commercially available single, maybe for the next
    single, because all the others all the way back to "Status
    Seeker" have been promotional-only...

Mike: I think so. I don't know if it would be in America, though,
      I mean, I know there's been talk about them doing it in
      Europe, because CD singles are really big over there...
      when you get CD singles, most of them are imports. So I
      know there are plans to do that, because we have some stuff
      we want to put on the B-sides, like we have a song
      "Forever" that you probably know from one of our demos...
      we've recorded that, so we have that sitting on the shelf
      that we could use for a B-side. I don't know if they're
      gonna release anything in America, but they might, we've
      heard talk about it.

Me: Who wrote the words to that song, by the way?

Mike: "Forever"? John Petrucci.

Me: Another good one for John. What's been your most memorable
    moment so far on this tour, do you think...

Mike: Oh, that's easy. Actually, Yes is now up there, but until
      Yes coming to see us, hands down, the most memorable thing
      for me was the first night in Japan. We went to Japan back
      in November and did a bunch of shows. The first night we
      played there, I mean, it was the biggest rush I've ever
      had, playing there and coming on stage in the dark, and the
      intro tape is rolling, and then we kick into "Metropolis"
      and the lights go on, there's like thousands of screaming
      Japanese kids... it the biggest rush I've ever had, it sent
      chills down my spine. To me, that was the most memorable
      thing...

Me: The first album has already been re-released over there,
    right?

Mike: Yeah. They sell the albums in the lobby when you play in
      Japan, so not only did we have merchandise for sale, they
      had big stands where they sell both albums, so they had
      boxes and boxes of the first album out there. The same with
      Germany, too, I know it's still available over there...

Me: Are there any moments you'd rather forget about?...

Mike: Well, there's a few cities I'd rather forget about..
      [laughs] I don't know, there have been a couple of shows...
      Luckily, thank god, almost all the turnouts have been way
      beyond what we expected. I mean, I would say since we've
      been back out this year, 80% of the shows have been sold
      out, and the others are all packed. But there were a couple
      cities toward the beginning where the turnouts were just
      ridiculous. We played a show in New Orleans and there were
      like 40 people there, and then a couple places like Omaha,
      Nebraska and Cedar Rapids, Iowa and places like that...the
      turnouts were good there, but it's just that the crowd
      reaction is so weird, you know, they're very laid back and
      they don't really know how to take to the band, so there
      have been some weird experiences.. but they've all been
      experiences, so I'm glad I've experienced them all.

Me: I understand the Majesty demos are on CD in Europe?

Mike: In Germany.

Me: Is that a bootleg, or was that something authorized...

Mike: No, it's bootleg. It's a mass-produced bootleg. It's
      somebody who obviously mass-produced like hundreds or
      thousands, I don't even know, of Majesty demos on CD.

Me: How does it sound?

Mike: [laughs] Well, the demo to begin with doesn't sound that
      good, I mean it was done on my 4-track and it's kinda
      wishy-washy, so the conversion to CD... it doesn't sound
      any better because it's on CD. When I found out about it, I
      told them, like, "Shit, I wish they came to me for the
      master tape", because I've got the master sitting in my
      bedroom, at least it would've sounded better. So this is
      probably off of a tape that was like a couple of
      generations down, so the sound isn't that good, but it's a
      cool collector's item.

Me: What is your opinion overall about bootlegging in general?

Mike: Well, you're asking either the right guy or the wrong guy,
      because my personal opinion is.. I mean, the first half of
      the tour, I was letting people in with video cameras and
      cassette tapes. I personally have no problem with it
      whatsoever, I think it's cool, because I'm a collector
      myself... I have bootlegs of like every band, video and
      audio, so I'm fully supportive of it. However, there are 4
      other people in my band, and a crew and a manager and a
      tour manager, and since then I've been told not to let
      anybody else into the place with tapes recorders and video
      cameras. So, I personally have nothing against it, and when
      I see somebody filming, I don't say anything.. and I hope that
      they get away with it, and I pull 'em over afterwards and
      say "Hey, send me a copy" [everyone laughs], you know, but
      the crew and the rest of the band don't feel comfortable
      with it.

[extended personal chit-chat about tape trading, etc. deleted]

Me: Well, that's about all I have. Did you guys think of any
    other stuff while we were talking? [addressing my friends
    Dave, Eric, and Tom, who are also metal DJs at WPSU]

Dave: Yeah, I thought of one. Was it a conscious effort not to
      drag an opening band out with you, and just hook up with a
      local band in each city?

Mike: No.. I mean, I don't even know who we would take out. If we
      headline during the summer, if we don't get on another
      package and we go out ourselves, we're gonna take a band
      out, I just don't know who it would be. This time, I don't
      know why it didn't happen, it just didn't, so we have
      different bands in every city. We had no objections.. there
      have been a couple of bands that have done a bunch of dates
      with us, this band here, Psychotic Waltz [pointing at his
      shirt] did 3 shows with us on the west coast, and there
      have been a couple of bands that have done various shows
      with us... It wasn't our decision, I mean, we'd love to
      take somebody out, especially if it fit musically.

Tom: Fates Warning...

Mike: Yeah, Fates.. hey, we've been talking to them for years
      about touring together, but right now the timing wouldn't
      work out. They're not gonna have a new album out for at
      least a year, I would assume, but we'd love to do it. We've
      always talked about touring together. Anything else?

Me: I'm trying to think. I guess not. Can you do a couple of
    ID's for our show?...

Mike: Sure.

[remainder of the time is spent recording a couple of radio ID's
for our show, and small talk about this and that]

So there you have it, folks! Hope everyone enjoyed it. (You'd better,
it took me 7 hours to transcribe!) Thanks to everyone on the Ytsejam
mailing list who offered question ideas. I included just about all of
'em, I think. Anyway, stay tuned for more interviews like this in the
future, hopefully...

                                               Jeff

Here is some misc Dream Theater info:
    
    Ytsejam is Majesty backwards.  Majesty was the bands original name but
    when they got signed, they found out that name was copyrighted by a
    band a long time ago.  The people who had the name were unwilling to
    let the name go, even though they never released an album under that
    name (at least I think that was the story.  Mike Portnoy told us this
    before the show here in San Diego).  During the concert the singer
    pronounced it "Yit-see Jam" or something along those lines.
    
    There was a single released for "Matter of Time" I'm pretty sure. 
    Brian got one through the fan club.  No b'sides or anything on it
    though.

    Well, I saw Dream Theater Saturday night at Hammerjacks in Baltimore
    and needless to say, once again they were incredible.  Since the last
    time I saw them (mid-December), they've added some pyrotechnics to the
    show.  Here's what they played:

	Metropolis
	A Fortune in Lies
	Under a Glass Moon
	Surrounded
	The Ytse Jam/Drum Solo
	Another Day
	Pull Me Under
	Take the Time/Guitar Solo
    
   Encore:
	Keyboard Solo/Wait for Sleep
	Learning to Live	

    James LaBrie mentioned before "Take the Time" that it's going to be the
    next single and video, so keep your eyes and ears open!  Besides the
    special effects, there were a couple other differences between the
    shows I've seen.  The first time, they played "O, Holy Night" between
    "Wait For Sleep" and "Learning to Live."  Also, John Myung and Johm
    Petrucci did a bass and guitar duet, but didn't do one on Saturday. 
    Mike Portnoy dropped a drum stick during his drum solo last time, but
    this time he was perfect! If you get a chance to see a show at
    Hammerjacks, DO SO.  The place is great!
                                            

    re: .414
    
    I bet Windows noters just *love* you...
    
    gh

WARNING -- another *long* Dream Theater interview follows!
    
    
    SUBJECT:  An Interview with Dream Theater guitarist John Pertrucci:
    
    
How long has Dream Theatre been together?  What brought the band
together?  

    ANSWER:  Dream Theater has been together for about 7 years.  Kev, John,
    and I grew up together, and Mike was "discovered" while we all attended
    the Berklee College of Music in Boston.  Our current Canadian
    "throat-minster" was found through one of our friends at Mechanic
    during auditions.

    
Who are your major influences as a guitarist?   Who are the influences
of the other band members?

ANSWER:  My major influences can basically be broken down in two categories:
1) THE STEVES: Steve Morse, Steve Howe, Steve Vai, Stevie Ray Vaughn
2) THE ALS:  Alex Lifeson, Al Dimeola, Alan Holdsworth
    
    Pretty bizzare eh?	John's major influences are Steve Harris, and Geddy
    Lee.  Mikes are numerous including Terry Bozzio, Neil Peart, Vinnie
    Calauta (sp?).  Kev's are Rick Wakeman, Jens Johansen, Michelle
    Camillo, George Winston, and loads more..

    
Do you consider yourselves more of a metal band or more of a progressive
group?

    ANSWER:  Thats a good question!  In fact I think the thing that keeps
    us "modern" and not sounding dated is that we do have a heavy sound. 
    Metal is just as big as an influence as 70's prog-rock on our writing
    style and sound as a band.

    
What were the circumstances of Charlie Dominici's leaving?

    ANSWER:  Charlie is a very talented musician but all of us sort of new
    from the beginning that he could never take us where our dreams aspired
    as a front man. His live performance lacked and he was considerably
    older than us.

    
Why has is taken so long between albums? 

    ANSWER:  Well basically because we have gone through changes!  It took
    us a year and a half to find a new singer.  It took 18 months to get
    out of our old record deal.  We then recorded a demo for Atco Records
    and eventually signed with them.  I quess just a lot of red tape!

    
Will your 20 minute song be released on your next album?

    ANSWER:  No.  "A Change of Seasons" will not be released on our
    forthcoming record, but we hope to include it as a focal peice on a
    live 5-song E.P.

    
What does the new album sound like compared to When Dream and Day Unite?

    ANSWER: First of all James (our new singer) is 1 million times better
    and more emphasis is show on the vocals and their place in the songs. 
    The production is so much better.  All of teh instruments are much
    clearer and separated.  Also the guitars are a lot more up front and
    heavier.  There is also a soprano sax spot light by Jay Beckenstien of
    Spiro Gyra, and many uses of acoustic piano throughout the entire
    record.

    
Tell us a little about the new singer.

    ANSWER:  Our new singer's name is Kevin James Labrie.  We call him
    James as to not confuse him with Kev, our keyboardist!  He lives in
    Canada and his old band was called Winter Rose.  The guy is completely
    amazing and super cool.  He is also pretty damn handsome, which is
    cool, cuz it attracts a lot of women!

    
Is there a particular form of music you see the band sticking with
(metal, progressive, whatever) or will you become more experimental as
time goes on?

    ANSWER:  I think Dream Theater will always primarily be a rock band. 
    However the range of influences that sneak their way right into our
    music is ever changing and endless, so who knows?

    
Where do you see Dream Theatre in 10 years?

    ANSWER:  Working on our third record...Just kidding!  More refined as
    players and writers, a lot more fans, and a lot more roadies!
    

    Besides being readily availble on CD in Germany and Japan (in stores,
    mind you!!), Dream Theater's first album, "When Dream and Day Unite"
    is all but MIA here in the USA!!  
    
    However -- the album (CD) *can* be ordered through Columbia House's
    catalog:
   
    Dream Theater "When Dream And Day Unite" -- 384842
    You can also call an 800 number to order this.  It's 1-800-457-0500.

    
    Cheers,
    Buck
                                    

    FYI -- Someone on usenet has a live DT bootleg they are offering copies
    of.  The show was recorded in Buffalo on January 16th.  If you're
    interested in more information on this, send mail to 
    US2RMC::"[email protected]" -- the guy's name is Tinch.
    
    
    
    Cheers,
    Buck

    
    	Columbia House?  Haven't even noticed it in the catalog.
    
    	I'll have to look again next time I get one.
    
    							GTI

    Wondering what those lyrics at the very end of Pull Me Under
    are?!?!?
    
    
    "Oh, that this too too sullied flesh might melt, thaw, and resolve
    itself into a dew..."
    

    It's a famous line from Shakespeare, which was also used in a Sting
    song called Another Day.

    Well, today is the day when dream and day unite at the Avalon Ballroom
    in Boston!!
    
    Just a friendly reminder --
    
    
    	D R E A M	T H E A T E R	   L I V E
    
    
    Tonight, Wednesday, March 10th
    Avalon Ballroom
    Lansdowne Street (Next to Axis)
    Boston, MA
    
    Doors open at 8pm

    
    
    	Anyone read the 'jacket' to the I&W CD?  Under the thank yous
    	it says 'the dancing dward, Bob and the Log Lady'....
    
    	DT are Twin Peaks fans!  Very cool.  =)
    
    	JJ
    

    
    	OOps...that should have been dwarf not dward.  =)
    

    Ah yes, Dream Theater...yawn...

    
    Dream who?
    
    

    I think they are a garage band or something....

    
    What kind of music do they play?
    
    Do they act out on stage like a real 'theater'?
    
    

    I heard that not only do they act out stuff on stage (the "theatre")
    part, they've also been known to induce sleep (the "dream" part).
    

    I think that they play folk, but a few people said that they are
    starting to get a little harder.  As for them acting out on a stage
    like a real 'theater', I'm not really sure. Probably, they sing pansy
    songs anyway......

    
    Don't they sing that song "Push Me Over"?
    
    

    Yeah, that's it!!!  The name was right on the tip of my tongue.....

    
    they have an album.... "Pictures And Stuff", right?
    
    It's all coming back now!
    
    I love their banjo player!
    

	Yeah, you guys are funny, but what can I expect from people
	who like the dead, grundge, and Metallica....



								-Seth

        ->> they have an album.... "Pictures And Stuff", right?
        ->>
        ->> It's all coming back now!
        ->>
        ->> I love their banjo player!
    
    Yeah, he's good...I'm really interested in the mandolin player.  He's
    cool...Their new album 'Pictures and Stuff' sounds a little more
    bluegrassy than their first one...Maybe if they are lucky they'll 
    play at the Newport Folk Festival this year....but that's a lot to 
    expect out of a new folkie band.  Especially since their album hasn't
    even touched the charts yet....
    
    ->>   -< Proving you have bad taste over and over again! ;^) >-
    ->> Yeah, you guys are funny, but what can I expect from people
    ->>  who like the dead, grundge, and Metallica....
    
    Oh Seth, today is not the day to talk about having bad tastes with
    me...
    
    :), d
    

    
    >> Yeah, he's good...I'm really interested in the mandolin player.  He's
    >> cool...Their new album 'Pictures and Stuff' sounds a little more
    >> bluegrassy than their first one...Maybe if they are lucky they'll 
    >> play at the Newport Folk Festival this year....but that's a lot to 
    >> expect out of a new folkie band.  Especially since their album hasn't
    >> even touched the charts yet....
    
    	I love the pictures of them in the inlay. All dressed up in
    	over alls with baseball caps. But I wished they didn't have
    	shaved heads.
    
    >>   -< Proving you have bad taste over and over again! ;^) >-
    >> Yeah, you guys are funny, but what can I expect from people
    >>  who like the dead, grundge, and Metallica....
    
    	Oh please. Dream Theater are DRASTICALLY over-rated.
    	Good, yes,... Great, maybe... the best, not even close.
	
    
								    
    

    ->> I love the pictures of them in the inlay. All dressed up in
    ->> over alls with baseball caps. But I wished they didn't have
    ->> shaved heads.
    
    I know....the singer would look so much better with hair.  And the
    beard on that bassist is nasty!  And someone told me he has 5 wives...
    yuck... 
    
    ->>  Oh please. Dream Theater are DRASTICALLY over-rated.  Good, yes,... 
    ->>  Great, maybe... the best, not even close.
    
    Yeah. I agree...they are overrated in here.  I do think they are wonderful
    musicians, but not THE BEST...and I'll say that about a lot of bands,
    even the Dead. 

    
>    	Oh please. Dream Theater are DRASTICALLY over-rated.
>    	Good, yes,... Great, maybe... the best, not even close.
	Overrated by who?  Just because Buck likes them and posts
	a lot of notes doesn't mean they are over-rated.
	People who appreciate talent in music, and not just noise
	fill DT concerts.  I hardly call progressive fans liking
	a progressive group 'over-rated'.
	
>                         -< Can you say "No Feeling" >-
	Sure..... "Joe Satriani"... ;)


							-Seth

    
    >> I know....the singer would look so much better with hair.  And the
    >> beard on that bassist is nasty!  And someone told me he has 5 wives...
    >> yuck... 
    
    	Yup. And that patch he wears over his eye. Gotta go.
    	The bassist's beard is really gross! It's like 4 feet
    	long. And dirty and tangled. Yuk.
                                         

    
  >>	Overrated by who?  Just because Buck likes them and posts
  >>	a lot of notes doesn't mean they are over-rated.
  >>	People who appreciate talent in music, and not just noise
  >>	fill DT concerts.  I hardly call progressive fans liking
  >>	a progressive group 'over-rated'.
    
	Sorry, I don't have to like dream theater to appreciate
    	talent.  
    
    	They're overrated, IMO, Period. No need to argue, paigeboy.
    
    		
    

    RE: Greg, Danielle, and Chris
    
    Obviously, the complexity and intensity of DT's music is far beyond
    your comprehesion.  Some people don't like Opera either...nuff said!
    

    
    It's one thing to appreciate their music, it's another thing to treat
    them like Musical Gods. 
    
    They make some pretty good tunes, 'nuff said.
    
    

    
>	Sorry, I don't have to like dream theater to appreciate
>    	talent.  
	That is the point, you don't.  The worst 'artist' in DT,
	has more talent than all of the 'band members' in Metallica
	put together.
   
>    	They're overrated, IMO, Period. No need to argue, paigeboy.
	That is because you can't support your statement.
 
>         -< Progressive? Ha! No feeling is more like it. Machines! >-
	It is progressive like it or not.   Although I would pick
	no feeling over 'Lets rip of the public by posing some more'
	feelings...


							-Seth
	 
   
    		
    

    
>    It's one thing to appreciate their music, it's another thing to treat
>    them like Musical Gods. 
	Hahahaha!!! Funny I think I said that to you a couple of month
	ago regard how you worship Metallica!!! 


				    

    RE: Chris and "no need to treat them like musical gods.."
    
    
    Look, I went to school with these guys.  They had gigs every day
    DAY -- and it wasn't playing "Jump in the Fire" either ... they
    were DIVERSE musical gigs ... from latin sambas to be bop to
    swing jazz to jazz fusion to progressive rock, etc. etc.  And these
    guys can burn in all styles, not just rock.  They also were trained 
    in ENSEMBLE playing.  Look, all the bands you may like are probably
    good BANDS -- but are they good musicians??  Maybe at what they do
    in their own circle (example, Jaymz is an excellent thrash rhythm
    guitarist!), but as real, diversified MUSICIANS, they can't cut it,
    and I'd like to see ANYONE in rock today who could just walk into 
    any type of gig and burn it...  I know Vai could, and Satch, but
    Kirk or Lars or any of those cats?
    
    NOT!

    
    What does Metallica have to do with this. We're talking about Dream
    Theater. They're good musicians. And I agree it's progressive. 
    But that's it. IMNSHO. 
    
    And I feel bad for you, if the only way you can praise DT is by putting
    another (and other) band down. You're a joke. 
    
    

    
    Once again, why must you praise  one band by putting another band down.
    That doesn't say much in my ears for the band. I like DT's music, I
    like a lot of it. I like *ALL* of Metallica's music. That's *my*
    personal taste. But you don't hear me going "Metallica's the best
    because DT sucks"
    
    Please.
    
                                   

    ->> -< Not my problem if you can't appreciate GOOD music! >-
    ->>  RE: Greg, Danielle, and Chris
    ->> Obviously, the complexity and intensity of DT's music is far beyond
    ->> your comprehesion.  Some people don't like Opera either...nuff said!
    
    I think that the important thing to address here is that everybody is
    different.  We all like different things, have different views, and 
    different musical tastes.  Music is a universal language, and there
    are so many different types and styles.  So don't put me down saying
    that I don't appreciate 'GOOD MUSIC' when I am more flexible than you
    ever could be.  I do like Dream Theater, and Chris and I are kidding
    around with the folk thing....but it feels like there are a lot of
    put-downs to other music in this file because "Dream Theater Rules"...
    and Dream Theater this and that.......

    re: Youngster, er...Danielle
    
>    Oh Seth, today is not the day to talk about having bad tastes with
>    me...
    
    Let us know when a good day is, ok?  My schedule looks good for next
    Tuesday, how about your's?
    
    re: Chris

>    >> I know....the singer would look so much better with hair.  And the
>    >> beard on that bassist is nasty!  And someone told me he has 5 wives...
>    >> yuck... 
>    
>    	Yup. And that patch he wears over his eye. Gotta go.
>    	The bassist's beard is really gross! It's like 4 feet
>    	long. And dirty and tangled. Yuk.
    
    No kidding, somebody get that dude a BATH!  Looks like he lives under a
    bridge!
    
    re: Danielle (again)
    
> ...when I am more flexible than you ever could be. 
    
    Woah, I love a woman who stretches out!
    
    re: Buck
    
    Can you say "dated"?  I thoughtcha could.  Dream Theater, boooooring. 
    Rock & roll is about music with an edge....
    
    (ps, you take this stuff toooooooo seriously, I can't believe you
    actually fell for our baiting!)
    
    gh
    

    re: [greg]
    
    Hahahaha..........;') ;') ;')  
    
    
    :), danielle

    Yo Buck...get FLEXABLE!

    
    "Get flexable"
    
    Hahahaha... love it.
    
    

    "ESOD"??  Explain?
    

    I'll take a guess..Eat S*it Or Die?

    Probably......hahahahaha....

    But that phrase normally has an "and" in it, not "or"??
    
    gh

    
    hey, what time does dt go on tonight?  ive managed to swing being able
    to go into work for 1:45am.  just want to make sure that's late enough. 
    friggin $18.50 a ticket.... sigh.....  i swear the prices double every
    time they come back....
    
    

    
>    What does Metallica have to do with this. We're talking about Dream
>    Theater. They're good musicians. And I agree it's progressive. 
>    But that's it. IMNSHO. 
	Trying to make a talent comparison between a band you like
	and a band I like, but I guess you missed that....   I don't
	care which you like better, it is all a matter of taste,
	but anybody saying DT is talentless is full of it. 
   
>    And I feel bad for you, if the only way you can praise DT is by putting
>    another (and other) band down. You're a joke. 
	/prc?  Is that you???    'You're pathetic' is a standard
	prc quota when he had no point.
	

							-Seth 
   
    

    
    
    
    18.50!? SHA! RIGHT!!! 
    
    

    Ya know...
    
    I oughta fly out there, team up with Buck-meister, and we go around
    slapping the dog-snot out of all ya !
     
    :-)
    
    You folks gotta remember - DT and the whole style of high-tech music
    is life-long.  Do you think Yes and Rush will ever stop getting
    airplay??  I doubt it.  Will Nirvana and Pearl Jam ??  Probably.
    Flahses in the pan - people will tire of their lack of talent and
    imagination.  Grunge is like a kidney stone.  It'll pass, but not
    without some pain.  :-)
    
    jc
     
    
      

    
 >>	Trying to make a talent comparison between a band you like
 >>	and a band I like, but I guess you missed that....   I don't
 >>	care which you like better, it is all a matter of taste,
 >>	but anybody saying DT is talentless is full of it. 
   
    	Please point out where I said DT was talentless?
    
    	Where, or where did I say it? Can anyone find the note?
    
>>	/prc?  Is that you???    'You're pathetic' is a standard
>>	prc quota when he had no point.
    
    	What are you talking about? So now I can't even use
    	"you're" in front of a word. Puuuhlease...
    	In fact, in the words of /prc, you _are_ pathetic.
    
    	Go play with your anotomically correct DT dolls. You're boring.
    	(Oh no! I used "you're"... I'm /prc, I'm /prc!!!)
    
    
    

    Seth, please do me a favor and DROP IT.  The whole conversation is
    OVER.
    
    
>    KDX200::COOPER "Hello me, it's me again!"
>        You folks gotta remember - DT and the whole style of high-tech music
>        is life-long.  Do you think Yes and Rush will ever stop getting
>        airplay??  I doubt it.  Will Nirvana and Pearl Jam ??  Probably.
>        Flahses in the pan - people will tire of their lack of talent and
>        imagination.  Grunge is like a kidney stone.  It'll pass, but not
>        without some pain.  :-)
>
>        jc
    
    Steven, I agree a little but I think that Eddie Vedder's voice will
    always get airplay, no matter what band he is in. 8^P   And Dream
    Theater are just babies as far as how long they have been around, so
    who knows what's going to become of them?  Maybe their next album is
    going to suck...it can happen...:-)  
    
    :), danielle

    
    coop, great kidney stone analogy!!!  :')
    
    escopose, the /prc style of noting has NOTHING to do with you're.  It
    was the pathetic that was so obviously /prc.
    
    PS, DT rules!!!  Every time I see them they just amaze me.  Toward the
    end of Waiting for Sleep they went into this thing where they just ran
    different parts of the song all together in what seemed almost a random
    order.  Of course it wasn't but watching them was like watching a
    machine with all the gears and pulleys turning and moving in sync.  It
    was just incredible to see.  This is the sort of band that just
    inspires the musician in me.  This is the reason I play an instrument. 
    To be a part of a team that is the perfect music machine is my dream.
    

  
    
    <<< Note 542.465 by KDX200::ROBR "This world is spinning around me" >>>
   
    >> To be a part of a team that is the perfect music machine is my dream.
    
    	Thank you for saying that. Rob agrees with me. DT are machines.
    
    	Don't deny it now either... you said it...
    
    

RE: Rob

thankyouverymuch...

    Great show!   Glad I went.
    
    What was the name of the warmup band?  I couldn't quite catch
    their name.  

    Oh yea, I'm taking this one too!!

 >  Great show!   Glad I went.
  
    Agreed!  The sound was WAY off for the first 3 1/2 songs, but by the
    start of the 5th tune, it was perfect, and the band was very psyched 
    about last nights gig!!
    
      
 >   What was the name of the warmup band?  I couldn't quite catch
 >   their name.  
 
    Hard to hear, but it was either MOON_CRUSH or MOOD_CRUSH ...
    
    They were kind of cool as well..

I'm jealous you got to go and I didn't !!

:-)

>    Seth, please do me a favor and DROP IT.  The whole conversation is
>    OVER.
	Sorry, I didn't know you were the notes police.....
	Well if you say it is over it is over, your majesty. ;)


	As far the the 'conversation' these type of 'fights' about
	taste is standard HEAVY_METAL material, if you don't like
	it hit next unseen, or go back to 'The Dead'

						-Seth 

    >	Well if you say it is over it is over, your majesty. ;)
    
    
    Hey, Majesty is Dream Theater's *original* band name!!
    ;')

    
    
>    Hey, Majesty is Dream Theater's *original* band name!!
>    ;')
	I know! ;^)

	But Buck you are taking a chance by writing a note about
	DT in the DT note....   Watch out for the patrol(wo)men!!!!
	They'll put a stop to that real quick! ;)


	I am going to see DT in Poughkipsie N.Y. Tonight...
	Can't wait!!!

						-Seth

    The name of the opening act was Moodcrush I think.  they were pretty
    good, especially the last song they did!
    
    |KS|
    

    Saw Paul McCarron at the show -- he said to say "Hi" to everyone!

    re: Coop
    
    I think we're already seeing a diminishing in desire to hear stuff like
    Yes and Rush.  It's been ages since I heard a Yes song on the radio and
    even when I did, it was always the SAME two or three songs (and nothing
    even close to their most interesting work).  Rush?  I hardly hear them
    either.  Soon as the last of the dinosaurs (like us) that grew up with
    them die off, then they'll be history.
    
    The current popularity of low-tech type bands is a direct signal that
    people are tired of hearing stuff like that.  Even in it's heyday,
    there's limited appeal for people/bands that play technically difficult
    musical styles.  The majority of the audience for any of these bands
    are musicians, not the general public.  The general public could care
    less if music is well written or perfectly executed, they want to hear
    something that's memorable and has a good groove.
    
    re: Chris
    
>    	Thank you for saying that. Rob agrees with me. DT are machines.
    
    Mike Ferris and I were just talking about this at lunch yesterday.  One 
    of the biggest reasons I find DT disinteresting is that they're just
    *too* slick and perfect.  I like emotional music and this just doesn't
    do it for me.  It's interesting, in the same respect that someone that
    paints a picture that looks as good as a photograph, but at that point,
    the photograph is just as good (and a heck of a lot easier and less
    expensive).
    
    gh

    Re Moodcrush (opening band)...I thought some songs had potential,
    especially the last one, but it was WAY TOO LOUD, or at least way too
    distorted.  The sound was much better for DT, although some of the
    soft vocals were a little too fuzzy for my taste.  
    
    This was my first time to Avalon...do people there frequently smoke 
    controlled substances so openly?  I liked the club a lot...we had
    free parking and great sight lines over the floor crowd from the
    left-hand side railing.  
    
    Laurie B.

>   It's interesting, in the same respect that someone that
>    a picture that looks as good as a photograph, but at that point,
>    the photograph is just as good (and a heck of a lot easier and less
>    expensive).
    
    Yeah, but what about the talent it would take to paint a picture that
    was indistinquishable from a photograph?   Not to mention the fact that
    that person could then paint photograph quality scenes that were
    complete fantasy and could never be captured in a photograph!
    
    |KS|
    
    

>    Mike Ferris and I were just talking about this at lunch yesterday.  One 
>    of the biggest reasons I find DT disinteresting is that they're just
>    *too* slick and perfect.  I like emotional music and this just doesn't
>    do it for me.  It's interesting, in the same respect that someone that
>    paints a picture that looks as good as a photograph, but at that point,
>    the photograph is just as good (and a heck of a lot easier and less
>    expensive).
    
    gh, thanks for admitting that DT = Steve Vai and you don't like either
    one.  There's hope for ya brother!

    re: .478
    
    I didn't see any "substances" only smelled them....  *was* kinda
    suprised though at how many times I noticed it though!
    

    re: Ken
    
>    Yeah, but what about the talent it would take to paint a picture that
>    was indistinquishable from a photograph?   
    
    But that was my entire point!  It clearly takes incredible amounts of
    skill to be able to do that kind of thing, but the end result is no
    better then that done without the attendant skill.  Therefore that use
    of skill is misplaced for most people that would view the painting,
    who couldn't care less if it was a painting or a photo.  Sure, there
    will be a very small subset of people out there that will *highly*
    value the piece for the skill it requires to execute it, but most
    people couldn't care less about the process, only the end result.
    
    BTW, skill != talent, in my book.
    
>    Not to mention the fact that
>    that person could then paint photograph quality scenes that were
>    complete fantasy and could never be captured in a photograph!
    
    But, if it appears to be a photograph, people will think that it is,
    whether it really occurred in time and space or not.
    
    re: Mikey
    
>    gh, thanks for admitting that DT = Steve Vai and you don't like either
>    one.  There's hope for ya brother!
    
    Totally different thing, Vai makes me feel something when I listen to
    his stuff, DT doesn't.
    
    gh
                                                        

�>    gh, thanks for admitting that DT = Steve Vai and you don't like either
�>    one.  There's hope for ya brother!
�    
�    Totally different thing, Vai makes me feel something when I listen to
�    his stuff, DT doesn't.
    
    right and the next thing you'll tell me is that you sense all kind of
    emotions from your new Poison CD.

>    right and the next thing you'll tell me is that you sense all kind of
>    emotions from your new Poison CD.
    
    You keep trying to convince me of that, but I *still* say Poison sucks!
    
    Now take off those womens underwear and wash that makeup off your face!
    
    gh

    Like I told ya yesterday, there's a time and place for peaking.  BTW -
    my wife says your taste in makeup is lousy.

 >   skill to be able to do that kind of thing, but the end result is no
 >   better then that done without the attendant skill.  Therefore that use
    
    Yeah, but the end result is better if the painter painted something
    surreal that could not be photographed, but yet still looked like a
    photograph!
    

    Re. Greg
    
    Wasn't it you that was arguing the fact of how little skilled musicians
    are out there and yet they're the ones who sell out just to make it?
    
    Now you're stating just the opposite of what you did before that
    technique isn't as important as feeling.....
                                                Rat

    re: Ken
    
>    Yeah, but the end result is better if the painter painted something
>    surreal that could not be photographed, but yet still looked like a
>    photograph!
    
    You can set almost anything up for a photograph using props and stuff. 
    The idea is though that if it looks like a photograph, then it probably
    isn't going to be all that different from the topics you'd find in one.
    
    I used to take a lot of "art" type photograhs.  You might be surprised
    how abstract photographs can be, it ain't all people and landscapes. 
    In fact, my stuff was abstract enough that it turned most people off. 
    I got so I wouldn't take any "normal" photos 'cause that didn't
    interest me and I ended up getting out of that particular hobby (which
    I was deeply involved in) because of it.
    
    re: Nat
    
    I'm not sure what it was that I said that you're thinking about, but I
    don't think I intended it the way you're saying it.  I've always loved
    music that has little or no technical merit.  I also like a lot of
    people who are monsterously skilled at playing, but it's not for the
    skill.  
    
    Mikey's noting my love for Steve Vai's stuff is a prime example.  I
    love Vai's music and he makes me drop my jaw in awe sometimes at the
    things he can play, but it's not solely because of his playing skill
    (which is tremendous), it's because of the way he uses it in a musical
    context.  
    
    Chris Impelleterri is an example of someone who's got great playing
    skill that I can't stand.  His music is totally cold and uninspired.  I
    think there's a note in here somewhere on him, check my responses on
    it, even way back then.  He's an amazing guitarist, but I hate his
    songs.
    
    Technical skill is a means to an end, not an end in itself.  The art is
    the music, not the athletic ability used to make it.  What I've heard
    of Dream Theater's music just doesn't inspire much inside me.  They're
    clearly very skillful and know their stuff, but I don't particularly
    enjoy it.  I mean, it's not like I hate 'em or anything.  I won't
    change the station if one of their songs comes on or anything...
    
    I'm mostly just baitin Buck and Rob by saying that stuff in this note
    anyway...  ];^)
    
    gh
                

    
    
    
    ->> <<< Note 542.472 by DECAGE::HOWES "When angels waken with a kiss....">> 
    ->>
    ->> >    Seth, please do me a favor and DROP IT.  The whole conversation is
    ->> >    OVER.
    ->>        Sorry, I didn't know you were the notes police.....
    ->>        Well if you say it is over it is over, your majesty. ;)
    
    Seth, what I mean is that I'm not wasting any more time on something that's
    really stupid.  And the first thing that you do today is try starting it up
    again.  That's why I asked you to give it a rest for once.  
    
    ->>        As far the the 'conversation' these type of 'fights' about
    ->>        taste is standard HEAVY_METAL material, if you don't like
    ->>        it hit next unseen, or go back to 'The Dead'
    ->>
    ->>                                                -Seth
    
    (sigh).....:(  
    
    ->>        But Buck you are taking a chance by writing a note about
    ->>        DT in the DT note....   Watch out for the patrol(wo)men!!!!
    ->>        They'll put a stop to that real quick! ;)
    ->>	                                           -Seth
    
    whatever
    
    
    /danielle

    
    yep, youre right chris, i said it and i knew what i was saying when i
    did.  emotional music for me is music that is pure logic.  perfection
    of form and technical writing.  that's why groups like DT, rush and
    yngwie are my favorites.  I find TONS of emotion in them.  Yngwie a bit
    less because that's just one person taking the lead and not everybody
    working together as a perfect logical unit.  of course i like tons of
    other stuff, but they don't inspire me like rush and DT.  I suppose
    that why I like a lot of fusion as well...
    
    

    -1
    
    You forgot Yes, Fates Warning, Leatherwolf, and Kansas!  I totally
    agree -- brillint music (to me) :== a group of musicians who can
    come together together and make a chemistry to produce a complex,
    masterful work.  That can be the London Philharmonic or it can be
    Weather Report.  Unfortunately, I don't think it includes such
    bands like L7 or Metallica.

    
    speaking of weather report, do you have a favorite?  i have heavy
    weather but i didnt find it too inspiring for some reason...
    
    

    
    You're right, that catagory you described doesn't include; Metallica,
    Guns N' Roses, Megadeth,...
    
    Oh I almost forgot... those are the biggest names in Metal. Oh I'm
    sorry... did you say Dream Theater, Yes and Rush is what the people want?
    
    Face it, DT are great musicians. They're music is great. But it's 
    all just a bunch of chords and time changes. 
    
    Sorry, I find more emotion in the "die" chant in Creeping Death than I
    find in the whole I&W album.
    
    
    
    

    
    	Personally....I think I&W is great just from the lyrics
    	alone.....  

    You see, I (me, personally) think the "die" chant is stupid.
    JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION.  To *me* -- Emotion is the sweet sax
    solo at the end of Another Day, or the end of Metropolis...

    
    Ok... and which member of the band did that Sax Solo?
    
    

    
    actually the sax on the album was done by Jay Beckenstein who was
    loaned to them from GRP.  the sax when live is played by the keyboards.
    what's your point?
    
    

    
    500 dreamy replieeezzzz...
    

    
    ps, jj is right.  just the lyrics in themselves make this band
    something special and rare.
    

    
    The lyrics? They're second rate Jim Morrison wannabes. The lyrics on a
    portion of the songs turn me off.
    
    

    Oh yeah, the are second rate!!  Nothing like...
    
    "Die, Die by Death.  I creep across the land, killing first born
     man"  Those are f***ing brilliant, man!!
    

> emotional music for me is music that is pure logic.  perfection
>    of form and technical writing.  
    
    Rob of Vulcan speaks.

>    "Die, Die by Death.  I creep across the land, killing first born
>     man"  Those are f***ing brilliant, man!!
	hehehehehe ;)


	BTW the show last night a Poughkeepsie, was really cool, the
	opening band 'Head' were terible they are like a bad cross
	between Siagon Kick and Shotgun Messiah  Brrrr!!!

	Everybody moshed to 'Pull Me Under' again. ;)



							-Seth   

    
    greg, peace and long life :').
    

    FWIW, I have to agree with Buck on the "die die" chant thing, pretty
    juvenile.

    re: Seth

    They mushed to "Pull Me Under"?  VERY strange...

    gh

    
    they didnt mosh THIS time... now the chapter 11 show... THAT was a
    mosh!  :')  (not a great mosh, but still a mosh).  i was fairly close
    to the front with buck.  i think we would have noticed a mosh.
    

    
    oh wait a sec... poughk... whatever...???
    
    there was another show last night???
    
    where the hell was that???  (ie poghmumblefratz)???
    
    

    
    That's funny I was born in Poughkeepsi.
    
    
    

        ->>They mushed to "Pull Me Under"?  VERY strange..
    
        ->>they didnt mosh THIS time... now the chapter 11 show... THAT was
    	->>A mosh!  :') 
    
    yes, the Chapter 11 moshing thing was very strange....and to top it off
    we were all near the front where it started....
    
    	->>  oh wait a sec... poughk... whatever...???
    
    There was a show at Poughkeepsie, NY last night.......I think near NYCish..
    they're also playing in Rochester, NY soon....I have friends going....
    
    

re: Greg
>    They mushed to "Pull Me Under"?  VERY strange...
	  ------

	Yep, got out the sleds the dogs and everything!!!! hehehehe ;^)
	It is kinda silly to mosh to DT, the the heavy parts of the
	song, "live" do get EVERYONE moving.   Even the security guards
	stopped watching the crowd, they looked at the band, and were
	bobing their heads around. ;^)

re: Rob
	Yup, last night in Poughkeepsie N.Y. about 40 miles north of
	N.Y. City.....   'Twas cool.

							-Seth

    
    whens the show in rockchester???  if its a fri or sat im going!! 
    (interested buck?)
    

    I donno, Rob.  Rochester would be a cool trip, but not through the
    Blizzard of the century...

    I think it's during the week, but I'll check...

    I mean, Rochester show......oops

re: Seth
    
>>    They mushed to "Pull Me Under"?  VERY strange...
> 	   ------
>
>	Yep, got out the sleds the dogs and everything!!!! hehehehe ;^)
    
    Musta been SOME show!!!  While the band's up there acting out their
    songs, the audience is breaking out the dogsleds!
    
    I think my spelling musta been a Freudian slip...
    
    gh

If I remember right Rochester is 350 miles from the 495/Mass Pike
intersection.  Take if from me...  Going to Rochester from here is the trip
from hell.  It'll take you a good 6 hours because everybody goes 60-65.

DO NOT go in the snow.  They get real snow near Buffalo.  As in park the
car on the side of the highway because we can't move...

    
    "Acting out their songs"
    
    	
    I love it. ;')
    
    

    
    
    	Chris
    
    	Give it a rest.  You like Metallica and not DT...we get the
    	point.
    
    

    re:  JJ
    
    I think you're missing his point, he *likes* DT!  It's been on his
    "what's hot" list for weeks.
    
    gh

Dream Theater rools!

BTW - The sax solo in question was recorded by the sax player from Spyra Gyra,
I think...  Isn't that right dood??  What a SWEET TOON !

jc (Who only recently has one thing in common with John Pertrucci)

    
    
    	re: gh
    
    	Well then I guess I don't get it......  oh well.  =)
    
    

>                       -< music is math and algorithms >-
    
    silly me, I always thought that was for computers.

>    did.  emotional music for me is music that is pure logic.  perfection
>    of form and technical writing.  that's why groups like DT, rush and
    
    So to take this logic a step further, the Ultimate band would be a drum
    machine and a synthesizer for all the instruments all on MIDInet. 
    There you'll have enough math and algorithms to lacquer quite a woody.

    
    
    
    
    I THINK THEY ALL SUCK!! 

    
    I agree with Whitpose. Dt, Metallica, all of them... they suck!
    
    I'm droppin' metal for Rap... where Machines do the work.
    
    

    
>    I'm droppin' metal for Rap... where Machines do the work.
 
	Okay, take care.... See-ya... Hasta!  ;)


						-Seth   
    

    
>    You can set almost anything up for a photograph using props and stuff. 
>    The idea is though that if it looks like a photograph, then it probably
>    isn't going to be all that different from the topics you'd find in one.
    
    Okay, let me use an example, to make my point.  Have you ever seen that
    painting by M.C. Escher of the waterwheel where the water rolls off the 
    wheel, and then appears to travel down a canal only to wind up back at
    the top where it drops off like a waterfall down over the wheel again?
    It's an optical illusion.  How could you ever photograph something like
    that?  I guess it doesn't have to be photograph quality to get the
    desired effect, but you know what I mean!
    
    |KS|
    

    
    
    mike, if it were computers playing all the parts, the music would still
    be enjoyable to me, but it would lose the feeling i get watching people
    that are musically perfect.  that is the thing that really turns me on. 
    people that are so good together that they COULD almost be machines.
    

    Re: Last 50 or 60
    
    Here's mt two cents worth :
    I think progressive is going to make a come back and Dream Theater si
    going to open the doors and pave the way!
    I've been buying up progressive stuff like King Crimson's Box set,
    Yes's Box (and tapes) I've been listening heavily to ELP. I love
    progressive rock. If no one catches on to it now. When I get good
    enough to play in a band I'm going to bring it back in full glory!
    DT has its low spots for me but I haven't heard a group more closely
    play progressive than these boys!
    
    GO DREAM TEAM!
    
    Chris Vermette

    
    "Musically perfect"
    
	I can not believe you said that.
    
    	Claiming that any band is perfect is completely and utterly
    ridiculous.
    
    (Now they're not even human! They don't make mistakes! They're
    perfect!)
    
    

    re: -.1
    
    
    	I think that the Dream Theater perfection is stylistic of today's
    music. Industrial is using computers and other stuff to make sound. I
    think that technical players are going to be coming out of the wood
    work. dream Theater is deffinately a technical band.
    	I agree with previous notes about it sounding to perfect. I like
    listening to the sound of a vinal album being played(the hiss and white
    noises effect). I think is adds to the whole package. But music tech is
    only going to get better and will make sound more perfect. I personally
    like the way albums were produced in the late sixties and early
    seventies. I play on recording AAD or ADD.
    	I just babbling but here's two more of my hard earned cents:
    	Don't blame DT for being a sign of the times(and of the possible
    future) they have learned to make there sound that well, so well that
    we die hards of the hiss age want to cry, that we dislike what they are
    trying to accomplish. Entertainment in a world of Rap [  B*)  ].
    
    IMMHO - Chris "I was born about 20 years too late" Vermette

    I've been listening non-stop to WDADU ... this is a great album!
    The production is typical "low budget for 1989" ... ok, but not
    great.  Anywho, the slick production does not mask any of their
    playing, and in fact it sounds less "mechanical" and more like
    real people just jamming.  
    
    Album highlights:
    
    Ytse Jam
    The Killing Hand
    The Ones Who Help Set the Sun

    
    How about that hack job on Take The Time that's on the radio. And I
    thought Pull Me Under was bad.
    
    

    
    I heard that the other day -- boy, can a razor ruin a song!  8^(

    
    I wonder who does the editing. A cut version wouldn't be bad, if they
    did it right, but the cuts are always in the wrong places.
    
    

    
      DT's  I & W has several songs that fall out of radio's acceptable length.
    
      Radio did it to In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida and is still doing it! Plat the
    drum solo!
    
    							-B{}{}M-
    						

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    This is a list of all sources for Dream Theater's "When Dream And Day
    Unite" that I know of as of March 22, 1993.  If you know of a WDADU
    source that is not on the list (or a source listed that is out of
    stock) please e-mail me at  [email protected] so I can
    keep this list current--my main info source for this list is Internet!

________________________________________________________________________________
And now, The List:

Columbia House carries WDADU; the catalog number is 384842.  Order normally, or
call 1-800-487-0500 to order.  (Note:  This is NOT listed in the usual catalogs
to my knowledge.) This is the only place that I know of that sells WDADU on
cassette.  Probably American.

Life By Design carries WDADU on CD (Japanese) for $21.17 ($22.45 on CO). The
address is:
    Life By Design
    129 N. Wahsatch
    Colorado Springs, CO 80903
    Ph. #: (719)475-0937
    Fax #: (719)471-1408

CDs We Bee sells the Japanese CD of "When Dream And Day Unite" for $23.99.  I
have heard good things about this store...the address is:
    CDs We Bee
    S. 3420 Whipple St.
    Spokane, WA 99206
    Ph. #: (509)922-7378--ask for Spike.

Sound City 2000 sells the Japanese WDADU CD for $25.99 (+$3.75 P&H).  The order
number (which MUST be included in the order) is N02-D042687-J. (BTW, is this
the catalog number for WDADU?)  Write to them at:
    Sound City 2000
    P.O. Box 22149
    Portland, OR  97269-2149
    Ph. #: (503)654-2196

The Exclusive Co. is selling the German WDADU CD at $15.99--the lowest price
seen yet for WDADU on CD.  There were only 3 copies when I talked to him last,
though, and I have no idea if he is getting any more.  Write to them at:
    The Exclusive Co.
    508 State St.
    Madison, WI 53703
    Ph #: (608)255-2433

Worldwide CD is also selling the German WDADU CD for $18.00.  The address is:
    Worldwide CD
    P.O.  Box 543
    Villa Park, IL 60181
    Ph. #: (708)941-7619
    Fax #: (708)941-7923

    Reportedly, Goldmine Magazine (a rare records/boots mag) is offering
    WDADU-- could someone give me the address so I can confirm this? 
    Thanx...

    Still trying to confirm the Slipped Disc lead...no response yet to my
    letter (of course that could be due to the blizzard, tho'...)  I will
    list an address when I get confirmaton that they still have it.  (BTW,
    Dream Theater mentions them in the liner notes to I&W...)
    ________________________________________________________________________________
    Well, that wraps it up for this week--keep your eyes peeled, good luck,
    and as always, DREAM ON!!!!!

    RE: .3
    
    Not that you're probably still reading this file, but a lot of what
    I read in your reply is total BS --     
                                 
    >Those guys were at the WJUL studio for an interview a few weeks
    >ago for the Metallic Mayhem show. Heard a few of their songs,
    >nothing really stood out. Not sure if keyboards belong in a Thrash
    >metal outfit. 
    
    Thrash metal??  DT aspires to be nothing more or less than a
    "Progressive Rock" (the band's term) band!
    
    
    >They talked about different things. Their name came from a theater
    >that Petrucci's father used to frequent as a kid in California.
    
    Correction, drummer Mike Portnoy's father gave the band their name,
    not Petrucci!
     
    
    >I was surprised at the apparent lack of experience these guys
    >portrayed.  Noone claimed to have been a musician for more then a
    >couple of years. 
    
    What?!?  4 out of 5 members spent 4 years at Berklee College of Music.
    I know, they were in my graduating class!!  And, you don't just WALK
    into Berklee to start to learn your instrument -- you have to take an
    admissions test to prove instrument proficiency!  So, take your "none
    of them have been a musicians for more than a couple of years" and 
    smoke it buddy!
    
    
    >A typical "conversation" sounded like this -
    > 
    >DJ: Well, John, how did you get started on the base.
    >J:  Well, you know, like I was just hangin' out and, well, John
    >    asks me to come over cause like, he needed someone to play base
    >    and like, I never played before, so well, I started playin.
     
    Well man, like, if you ever like hung out with any of the cats at
    Berk, you know?  Like, you'd kind of understand the gist of the
    school lingo, you know?  Kind of like 60s Hippy meets "valley girl".
    But what does prose have to do with chops??  I knew this fiend of a
    player named Vadeem who was being begged by several top artists 
    (Chaka Kahn, Barbara Streisand, Patti LaBelle) to play in their
    recording/touring band ... he burned, but "to like, you know, listen
    to him talk, you know?  you'd think, like, he was an idiot".
    
  

    
    You're replying to a 3 and a half year note? 
    
    

    
    buck, i of course agree with you 100%, but im curious, when i was
    practically begging you to buy the album, you wouldn't go near it.  you
    had  never heard of the guys.  now that you find they are so great,
    they were suddenly school buddies (a previous note mentioned that when
    you were in school with them, they jammed out like 5 nights of the
    week, etc).  did you KNOW these guys or did they just go to the same
    school?  hell, jay leno went to my old school.  probably 15 years
    before i did though :').  not trying to bust them, just curious.
    
    

    
    Yes, If I recall, I was only the second person in this conference who
    bought the album. Rob wouldn't shut up ;') about them, so I checked
    them out. How strange...
    

	Do you remeber the day you bought Dream Theater I&W???? ;^)


	14-Jul-1992.... ;^)


							-Seth

    
    Yeah, the about 3 days after Tigga's summer party. 
    
    

You guys are laaaame - check out the base note for when I got my first
Dream Theater album.....

alan

    Oh I'm sorry, your  Highness, didn't realize you bought yours so
    early.

    

    
    alan does get the DT credit for when the first album came out, and we
    all ignored him :').  then i forced everybody to listen to it as
    tigga's party (well sort of, it was rather distorted :')) over and
    over.
    
    jack gave me a copy about 6 weeks before it came out.  (ps, i also have
    new savatage and testament.  dont THINK they are out yet).
    

	Rob how is the new savatage?  I heard they got
	a new singer...   What does he sound like?


					-Seth

    Rob asks some interesting questions of Buck.  I can't wait to hear the
    answers.
    
    Mike

>    depenz on what??? don't miss the most spectacular display of
>    musicianship this side of rush!!
    
    Rob my friend, I am going to have to take you to a Dregs show.
    

    >buck, i of course agree with you 100%, but im curious, when i was
    >practically begging you to buy the album, you wouldn't go near it.  you
    >had  never heard of the guys.  now that you find they are so great,
    >they were suddenly school buddies (a previous note mentioned that when
    >you were in school with them, they jammed out like 5 nights of the
    >week, etc).  did you KNOW these guys or did they just go to the same
    >school? 
    
    I remember Majesty from Berklee -- they were one of the "Hot" bands
    to catch (you know, word of mouth ... Majesty is doing a recital in
    E10 on Wedneday, check it out...).  Never heard of "Dream Theater"
    til I bought the I&W album!!  Indeed, after learning they went to
    berklee, I went and checked my yearbook -- there they were ... john,
    john, and mike, Class of 85.  i remember seeing Mike Portnoy around,
    and Jung Myung did lots of sessions.  I think Petrucci was in one of
    William Leavitt's guitar ensembles with me, but I'm not sure.  Anywho,
    I remember the faces, and the "former" band (who were more often than
    not an instrumental band).  The whole "Dream Theater" thing came later
    I guess..

    
    ...and oh by the way -- I also checked by "musician resource" listing
    I had when I was an active engineer/producer.  I have the addresses
    and phone numbers of John, John, and Mike from Dream Theater still in
    my book!  AND -- they're still legit ... just called Mike Portnoy --
    his answering machine msg sez "Hi -- I'm on tour in Europe, leave a
    message after the beep"...
    

    
    cool!!!  hi, im in europe... NICE!!  :')
    

    "Cool" perhaps, but also pretty stupid.
    
    He might as well say "Hi, no one is going to be in my house for awhile. 
    Come and rip me off!"
    
    The cops make a point of telling people not to do this.

Really,

Maybe he needs new stereo equipment...

Tim

    
    You know you have a problem when you think a bands answering machine
    message is cool.
    
    ;');');')

    
    um, maybe he is set up like me.  i leave messages on my machine telling
    where i am when i go away.  i also live at home and just have my own
    line.  when im gone, there are still plenty of people about.
    

    Yeah, I was just thinking the same thing, Rob.  Maybe he doesn't live
    alone, just has a personal phone line.
    
    gH

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Hi again!  Got some new sources, and some updates on a few old ones, so here we
go again (CO noters, take note of source in the Springs!!)!  

    
And now, The Mother Of All WDADU Lists...

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As always, Columbia House is carrying WDADU on cassette through their ordering
club. This is their print of the U.S. version.  The order number is 382842.
Order normally, or call 1-800-487-0500.  (Note: You have to be a member or join
Columbia House to go this route.  Also, the wait can be long--but it's
definitely worth it...)

A person on Internet is selling the U.S. version on cassette, as well as the
German CD.  The cassette goes for $3.95 and the CD goes for $18.95.  Contact at
"[email protected]" for more info.

I have heard some people in Goldmine, a rare-records magazine, are selling
WDADU.  You may try this route, especially if you also collect bootlegs and
such.  The phone number for subscription is (715)445-2214.  It is also
available in some collectibles stores for $2.95...

Record-Rama is selling the German (?) version of WDADU.  I was unable to get a
complete address or price, but the phone number is (412)367-7330.
The partial address is at the corner of McNight St. and Siebert Rd. in
Pittsburgh, PA.  (I would appreciate more info on this...)

Life By Design is now carrying the German WDADU (they were carrying the
Japanese version) on CD for $21.17 ($22.45 on CO). (Note: credit card orders 
not accepted--check or Money Order only)  The address is:
  Life By Design
  125 N. Wahsatch
  Colorado Springs, CO 80903
  ph. #: (719)475-0937
  Fax #: (719)471-1408

CDs We Bee is carrying the Japanese version on CD for $23.99.  Hopefully, soon
I will have an e-mail address for this...stay tuned...for now, write or call
at:
  CDs We Bee
  S. 3420 Whipple St.
  Spokane, WA 99206
  ph. #: (509)922-7378--ask for Spike.

Sound City 2000 has the Japanese CD for $25.99 (plus $3.75 p&h).  The order
number (which must be included in the order) is N02-D042687-J. The address
is:
  Sound City 2000
  P.O. Box 22149
  Portland, OR 97269-2149
  ph. #: (503)654-2196

Metal Disc is selling WDADU (no price or country info given).  The address is:
  Metal Disc
  P.O. Box 4649
  Thousand Oaks, CA 91359
  ph. #: (805)492-METL

The Exclusive Co. is selling the German CD for $15.99 (they may be out at the
time of this writing...I don't know.  Please give me recent info on this).
Try them at:
  The Exclusive Co.
  508 State Street
  Madison, WI 53703
  ph. #: (608)255-2433

Worldwide CD is selling the German CD for $18.00...call or write at:
  Worldwide CD
  P.O. Box 543
  Villa Park, IL 60181
  ph. #: (708)941-7619
  Fax #: (708)941-7923

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    On my way downtown with spouse and child to get my copy NOW!!!!

From USENET:

I saw them last night (30th) at the Marquee in London and they were 
incredible!

Give me a day or two and I'll post the rest of the European dates.

I do know that they are playing Stockholm tonight (31st) and they 
return to the Marquee on Friday 23rd April - I'll be there.

Cheers,

Mark

    
    
      Dream Theater just re-booked their gig in Syracuse. They were
    scheduled a few weeks ago, but we got hit with four feet of snow and
    EVERYTHING shut down, including the gig.
      The new date is May 17th which is a Monday, so I know there won't
    be any band conflicts. And the promoter, Chuck, is a friend of mine
    so hopefully that beer I bought him last month will come in handy
    for primo seats!
      
    							-B{}{}M-

    > Dream Theater just re-booked their gig in Syracuse. 
    
    >  The new date is May 17th which is a Monday
    
    Huh???  I thought they were gonna be in europe until (at least) the
    summer?
    
    If not, Buck/Rob - Syracuse is a mere 5 hours away. 
    
    	db - who hasn't seen them live yet

    Here is a list of dates that Dream Theater are playing on their current
    European tour:

March
30    London            England

April
1    Stockholm          Sweden
2    Copenhagen         Denmark
4    Ludwigsburg        Germany
5    Milan              Italy
7    Augsburg           Germany
8    Munich             Germany
9    Hamburg            Germany
10   Utrecht            Holland
12   Bonn               Germany
13   Paris              France
14   Werl               Germany
15   Frankfurt          Germany
17   Dudley             England
18   Milton Keynes      England
19   Bristol            England
21   Glasgow            Scotland
22   Buckley            England
23   London             England
                 

    Oh yea 5 69's!!!

    Rat, I don't know how you have energy for anything else with all those 69's
    you keep snagging.
    

> 22   Buckley            England
    
    A private audience Buck?
    
    ;-)

    >Rat, I don't know how you have energy for anything else with all those 69's
    >you keep snagging.
    
    Well it's a tough *job* but someone has to do it.... :^) or better yet
    :^0

    
    syracuse... dave, im there!  (Assuming its not snowing in may :'))
    

    
    
      Got my tix for the Syracuse DT gig. My connection (the owner) came 
    through. The girl in the box office was gonna give me second row in the
    balcony, which wasn't all that bad (actually the way the place is
    arranged there isn't a bad seat in the house). So I talked to my buddy
    today, who was gonna sell me tickets on Friday after work but he'd
    locked the keys to the box office IN the box office just before I got
    there. He told me to come back today and he'd hook me up with great
    seats. Check this out: Orchestra , Center, Row AA (first row). 
      Talk about psyched. I'll be able to give Coop some of Patrucci's
    Tri-Axis patches from where I'm sitting! The band is gonna be in my
    face! Now I gotta wait six weeks!
    
    							-B{}{}M-

    
    what size hall is this??  reserved seating at a DT show?  Dave B and I
    (and maybe buck???) were planning on driving out there for this.
    

    
    ps, wdadu rules!!!!
    
    (thanks buck!!!)
    
    pps, dave b and i went to see fortune tonight.  both of us were rather
    disappointed to find they dont play covers at all anymore.  thier
    originals were good i guess, but kind of boring and nothing like all
    the cool progressive covers they used to do.
    

    
      Symphony Hall in Syracuse is a new venue with approx 1000 capacity.
    The tix for the Dream Theater show on May 17th are $14.50. Keep in
    mind this is a Monday evening and the show starts at 7:30 p.m.
    
      If anybody is heading out this way, give me a shout!
    
    							-B{}{}M-

    
    dont suppose you can get any more way cool seats :') :')
    
    1000 ???  they pack that many into axis anyway :').