Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    I Like Lita Ford,,Shes Now 30,She has been in the HM scene since
 She was 15. thats when she was approached by Kim Fowley About joining
 "The Runaways" Also Joan Jett Played guitar and sang for the band,the
  band broke up in 1980.She made her solo career in 1983.
    Though in my opinion I really dig this new album,,Favorite 2 songs
 "Blueberry,and "Close my eyes"(Feature-Ozzy"
    Good album hope she comes out with a new one just as good!
    
    
    jim..tama         

    Didn't Lita warm up for Joan Jett at one point in time??
    
    WHAT NUDE POSTER OF HER LYING NEXT TO HER GUITAR??  HOW DO WE GET
    COPIES ??  
    
    Oh, and just what is that tattoo she has?  I can't get a good glimpse
    of it in the video's.
    
    
    Hammer.

    guyz, I'm really curious.. (ought oh you say?)
    
    I've seen the Lita Ford Video, and she wreathes around on the floor,
    flaunting her "body" etc..
    
    I saw Joan Jett with Robert Plant and she sang, and, pardon the
    expression, "humped" the microphone stand.
    
    Vixen, well, they think their Sh*t don't stink, with their fake
    hair.. etc.
    
    My question is:  Do men ( or people in general ) take female rockers
    seriously?  Or do they just like them for their "image" and not
    their music?  I'm learning how to play the guitar, will anyone take
    "me" seriously if I want to join a band someday??
    
    I think the only band that "I" take seriously happens to be Heart...
    
    What do you think??
    
    CJ
    

    
    	Most F-male "rockers" are a joke.. IMO.  I have no probs with
    Lita's vid...she has a dragon BTW...
    
    	Vixen are a joke but fun to drool at...look at who they have
    in their vids.. Rikki Rocket and that Marx guy...need I say more.
    
    	Joan jet is cool... gee she reminds me of tess Turbo..hmmmmm.
    
    	And fianlly...
    
    Take you seriously...AGAGAGAGAGAGAGGDONTMAKEMELAUGHAGAGAGAGAGAGASTO
    PYOUREKILLINGMEAGAGAGAGAGAGAGAGAGAGAGAGAGAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaa whew..never
    alughed so hard in my life!
    
    jus kiddin...
    
    BK
    

    Come on, I'm serious about this!!  I knew you guyz would give me
    a hard time!!  8^)
    
    Do you take the above rocker- LITA, and the rest seriously?  That
    is for their musical talents?
    
    CJ

Depends on the music and the people, Cindi. 

Let's face it, in HM, the girls are not taken seriously - they are just
sex symbols. And it doesn''t help any that most of the current female
rockers do nothing to change that image. But it does make it harder on those
who come later, and want to be taken seriously.

Outside of HM, there is a much better chance of being taken seriously as
a musician. It is very commonplace nowadays to see both girls and guys in
the same band (which I think it better than an all-girl band - that just
seems too contrived and a marketing move, not for musical reasons).

Of course, please keep in mind that females are not alone in this genre.
Males in HM are just as much sex symbols as the females are. I mean, 
let's face it - HM is more than just the actual music - it is also 
the look, and the dress, and the marketing. Unfortunately.

One thing to help yourself to be taken seriously is the image you 
project - girls in skin-tight skirts, lots of cleavage, and two cans of
hair spray just aren't going to be taken as seriously as someone else
that dresses and looks 'normal'.

cat

    Ya, I take these fabulously gorgeous and mega-magumba'd babes
    seriously.  I go to their concerts and seriously watch them flaunt
    it on stage and I listen to the guy behind them playing lead guitar.
    Get it?  Gee, Cindi, it you notice these babes ARE good looking
    and are definitely making use of that.  And NONE of them are the
    actual lead guitar players!  But if I were you, and I am certainly
    not, I wouldn't care about being taken seriously.  Look at their
    'act' and then look at their bank accounts.  Looks do sell.  Playing
    some guitar just makes them look a little better.
    
    Hammer.

    
    		`Give the people what they want !'  -  Kinks
    
    It's  all  an  act !  The women and producers KNOW what'll get MEN 
    watching, so  they  pull  the  old `flaunt  it, they'll  love  it' 
    routine.  (I'm  going  to  cover my a$$ on this one.  THE PREVIOUS
    STATEMENT  WAS  IN NO WAY A SEXIST REMARK OR COMMENT TOWARDS WOMEN.
    IF THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT THAT LINE, WHETHER IT BE FROM A REGUALAR
    NOTER  OR  A READ_ONLY NOTER, I WOULD RATHER HAVE IT TAKEN OFFLINE.
    CALL  DTN - 266-4850 IF  YOU  WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THIS.  I WOULD
    RATHER  HEAR  A  COMPLAINT THAN JUST END UP IN PERSONNEL THANK YOU.
    Anyone  else  notice how much fun it is to walk around on pins and
    needles ?)  Why  do  you  think  there's  more  flesh being shown in 
    video's  now  than  there  was  a  few years ago ?  TV is becoming 
    more and more risqu� than it's ever been !  I have a feeling it'll 
    only get worse.
    
    METALord"

    
    
    
    	Question on Lita.  Does anyone know if the rumors about
    	her opening for Bon Jovi are true??
    
    	Tig~~
    

    
    Yes Tig~ in the UK dates that Bon Jovi are doing Lita Ford will
    be opening up for them (no pun intended here).
    
    Prince Of The Dawn.

    OK a few comments on Lita Ford,Female guitarists...these comments
    are partially my own and some are hers from an interview I read
    of her in a music magazine.
    
    Lita Ford has been playing guitar since she was 12 years old.
    'Till about 1980 she played in a rock group called 'The Runaways'
    this band also included Joan Jett. IMO Lita can play guitar very
    well...so too can Joan Jett and Chrissie Hynde(I'm sure there are
    others as well).
    
    Since the demise of the Runaways Lita has been taking singing lessons
    and by now has mastered this art_form. She takes her music serious
    but is not into the 'message' 'content' HYPE...She herself describes
    her music as good ol' Rock'N'Roll and NOT Heavy_Metal. She is a
    personal friend of both Ozzy Osbourne and Lemmy(ex Motorhead) and
    both co-wrote songs with her on her latest album. She dislikes music
    with the 'come follow me and we'll all be saved' message. She 
    particularly *detests* a HM band called STRYPER(sp?) who portray
    some kind of Christian message in their lyrics, Jim and Tammy
    Bakkar(sp),and the 'two_faced do_gooders' that want offensive lyrics
    censored(labelled)!!!...she believes R'n'R is more related to the
    darker side of life that to the other side.
    
    She dislikes feminists and the whole feminism movement. She doesn't
    care if they think she's being exploited by the male dominated media.
    In her own words (quote) 'When I walk into a room I want people
    to stand up and take notice of me'(unquote).
    
    She doesn't over indulge in Booze and Drugs and most days she works
    out in the gym.
    
    BTW her latest video of 'kiss me deadly' has finally been banned
    on the TV here in Ireland. What a load of crap(the banning that
    is)...next I suppose it will be ladies underware,shampoo and perfume
    commercials!!!
                          
    As far as I'm concerned she can play guitar,sing and is not afraid
    to speak her mind...the best of luck to her.
    
    - Dave K.

    I think you missed one, Jesse.
    
    re: .19  Lita took voice lessons after the Runaways broke up...
    
    Who did the singing for the Runaways?
             
    gh

    
    I'll let you know what she's like live, I'm seeing her and BJ tomorrow
    night.

.21�    Who did the singing for the Runaways?

    Possibly Joan Jett though they may have shared the vocals
    ala The Bangles.
    
    Lita decided(was advised) to take lessons when she was planning 
    her solo career.
            
    - Dave. still_laughing_at_the_'open'_remark.
    

    
    re.21 the singer for the Runaways was Cherrie Currie.
    
    				M
    				 B

    the former bass player for the runaways Jackie Fox is going to law
    school at harvard.
    
    As for woman rockers there are a few to take seriously .
    chrissie Hyde
    ann wilson
    Lita Ford
    joan jett
    pat Benatar
    
    It doesn't matter if you're a man or woman in rock. if you got talent
    you're going to make it. If you got the right image you might make
    it for a while but sooner or later the public will see behind all
    the bullshit you're throwing at them. 
    
    Start early,pratice hard, meet the right people,be true to yourself,
    don't sell out to anybody. Rock and roll dudes & dudets
    
    					butchaka

>    if you got talent you're going to make it. 
    
Unfortunately, this is far from true. I'm sure all of us can name 
dozens of talented musicians who never 'made it'....

>    Start early,pratice hard, meet the right people,be true to yourself,
>    don't sell out to anybody. Rock and roll dudes & dudets
    
I couldn't give any better advice myself! Perfect!!!

cat

    Re .26
    
    And I know I can name dozens of untalented musicians who HAVE made
    it.
    
    Steve O

    Posted here to inform about the Lita Ford concert, not the Sugercubes.
    ("would someone *please* clean up that puke!")
    
    gh
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      The Sugarcubes concert was on this past Sunday night at 1:00am.
    I finally read the cable guide we get for free and it lists the
    month for MTV on one page what they are showing. The only other
    concert on this month is a Lita Ford concert at 1:00am on Jan 28th
    after the Headbangers Ball. They will probably show Sugarcubes again so
    if you get a cable guide you can check it out, but since I now know
    where the listing is I will probably check it every month.
                                                                  
    /Bill
    

    
      HEY HEY HEY.....I happeneed to be in Music notes when I saw the
    note about the Sugarcubes concert. I knew it was on the night before
    so I told him about it. I watched some of it to and it seems like
    they don't get much music in Iceland, They were awful!!!(IMHO).
    
      .......But the Girl lead singer was kinda cute.
    
    /Bill
    

    re .0:
    
    I bought the record yesterday and I *love* it. My favourite is 
    'Kiss Me Deadly'. AND WHERE CAN I GET A COPY OF THAT POSTER?
    
    re .4:
    
    Well, for me the most important criterion is the sound and not the
    visual effects, and I prefer when the music is made by musicians
    rather than by electricians (that's the reason why one of my 
    favourite bands is DP, still). So I have no problem taking female
    rockers seriously. Let me know when and where you do your first
    concert, maybe I can cross the ocean and listen.
    
    re .4,.25:
    
    What about Lee Aaron? I think she's got a great voice (as Lita
    has ,too). 
    
    
    Carsten, a Hard 'n' Heavy fan in Germany

    re:-1
    
    Too bad her biggest hit off her last album (Kiss me deadly) was
    an old GEN X song.
    
    Chris
    

    I didn't know that!!

    re: .-2
    
    Interesting. I don't even know the band. Do you know more about
    them?
    
    Carsten

    Gen X ?
    
    Gen X (Aka - Generation X) was a new-wavish/punk band from England
    that Billy Idol got his start in.
    
    I love Gen X.
    
    jc

   JC �  Gen X (Aka - Generation X) was a new-wavish/punk band from England
   JC �  that Billy Idol got his start in.
                                                     
    So did Tony James of the infamous Sigue Sigue Sputnik

    re: .-2,.-1:
    
    Thanks a lot. I'll try to get the original and compare it with
    Lita's cover version.
    
    Carsten

    Gen-X is the gnads...
    
    Listen to a tune called Alternative Ulster.
    
    

	 anyone send me the lyrics to "Close My Eyes Forever"
	 with Ozzy?  Pleeeezzzzz!!

	 8^)

	 Colorado_Kat    
    

    HI CJ,
    
    
          GO FOR IT GAL... 
    
                 I'M SCOOBY A GAL FROM SCOTLAND AND I THINK FEMALE ROCKERS
    
    ARE JUST AS GOOD AS THE GUYS........  OK SO WE LOOK BETTER SO WHAT
    
                                     

    SCOOBY,
    
    
    Introduce yourself in note # 3. You will see the format that we
    use. And Welcome to the conf.
    
    Bonzo (that makes three or four of us proud SCOTS)

    	I really think she is one of the best female guatarist in a long
    time.  The video and song she does with Ozzy is really kick ***.  
    

    
    For someone who knew Lita as a kid, this has been interesting reading. 
    Unfortunately, I haven't seen her since she was out here with her mom
    many years ago.  But, her aunt and my mother are close friends so I 
    still get filled in on what's she's doing.
    
    I can remember one summer she & her mother were here visiting her aunt.
    She had just started playing the guitar then.  One afternoon her mother
    sent Lita out to dig for clams.  That was quite the afternoon.  We must
    have spent a good 3 hours sitting in water during low tide digging for
    clams.  I must admit, it was an interesting way to spend a day.
    
    Sorry for babbling.  This note just brought back a lot of memories. 
    Lita's a great person and we had a lot of fun together when we were
    younger.
    
    - Beckie

    
    
    	...Lita Ford took a break from writing songs for her next LP
    	to appear in the fantasy movie 'Highway to Hell' -- she plays
    	a hitchhiker in hell, where star Chad Lowe is searching for
    	his abducted girlfriend.
    
    	Tigga~~~

    
    
    Is she going to sing in the movie?  It will be a fantastic musical
    piece, I'm sure.
    
    Then she can go into opera and do the Sound of Music in place of Julie
    Andrews.  I can see a promising future for Mrs. Holmes.
    
    S

    I heard on the radio yesterday that Lita is currently in the studio
    recording a new album tenatively scheduled to be released around the
    start of next summer.
    
    gh

    
    Lita will be covering Alice Cooper's 'Only women bleed' on her new
    album, but there is still no release date for it.
    
    flip

    
    	I got "Dancing on the Edge" for $5 last night at Ames ...
    	I wish I could find it on CD though.
    
    	Aldo Nova is everywhere ... he plays synthesizer on this
    	album.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    	Her new song, "Hungry", is what I've been waiting for her
    	to do for awhile.
    
    	Bringing back her old style, and hopefully signalling the
    	end of this "Kiss Me Deadly" garbage.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    
    	RE: GTI
    
    	You liked it?  I guess I'd have to hear the song without
    	seeing the video.  The video is trash and only backs up
    	my losing respect for her as a real rocker.
    
    	Ya ya ya ... I know the male rockers are just as guilty for
    	putting out sleaze videos but this chick takes the cake.
    
    	tigga~~~~

    
    	RE: Tigga
    
    	I know what you mean, but believe it or not I'd rather hear
    	a great song from a "normal" female than see an OK video by
    	a knockout with a great body.
    
    	Unfortunately, most females would rather look great than try
    	to impress people with their music.
    
    	[I think Pretty Boy Floyd fits that last paragraph quite well.
    	8^)]
    
    							GTI
    
    

    
    
    	RE: GTI
    
    	I dunno... maybe it's because the lyrics are so cheap,
    	too.  "Hungry for your sex" ???? or something like that?
    	(I FF'd through most of it)
    
    	And seeing her crawl through the water on all fours was
    	REALLY necessary, too.
    
    	It's too bad because I thought the Alice in Wonderland
    	theme was cool.
    
    	tigga~~~

    
    
    	RE: /prc
    
    	I already admitted that male rock stars do the same
    	thing and I didn't say there was anything against
    	drooling over her. 
    
    	I just thought the video was really weak and stupid.
    
    	tigga~~~

    crawling thru water on all fours? 
    I GOTTA check out this vid! 
    Just run the sound down and put on some Metallica, no prob!

    I don't mind the video (mostly cuz of my hormones)
    but I think the song itself is lame...
    "Hungry for Your Sex"??
    Gimme a break...what comes next, a duet with Winger?
    
    /Motorbreath

    
    
    	RE: Motorbreath
    	>"Hungry for your Sex"
    
    	ahahah... winger.  Ya!  I'll bet you didn't know that Fiona
    	was actually Lita in disguise.  (8
    
    	tigga~~~
    

    
    	Maybe the lyrics aren't incredible (which I admit they aren't),
    	but at least she's getting back into a "H_M groove" compared
    	to what "Kiss Me Deadly" sounded like.
    
    	It's a step in the right direction.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    
              Has anyone heard litas new song "lisa". The video shows
    her when she was a little girl and her mother. Is lisa her mothers
    name or litas actual name??
    
    							Doug..

    
    I heard that "Lisa" was supposed to be dedication to her mom.
    
    SoHong

    Yes, Lisa is dedicated to Lita's Mother.  I heard her say it on Rock
    Line.  It becomes pretty obvious when you heare the lyrics:
    
    	Lisa, Lisa, 
    	We live in different worlds.
    	Lisa, Lisa,
    	You know I'll always be your little girl.
    
    Some of the hot tracks on the album are: Cherry Red, Big Gun, and Only
    Women Bleed (Alice Cooper tune).
    
    -Grant

    
    Dedication:  Ya never know these daze!
    
    SoHong

    Is Lita on tour or working on a new album. The reason I ask is that a
    friend asked me about her lasted night.

    I would like to see her in concert....

    Yeah... Me Too!

    I would like to see her totally .... never mind!
    
    
    Ga-ZAZ

      I saw a video the other day, I can't remember who it was, but it
    looked like they had Lita as a guest singer with them. Or maybe it was
    somebody who looked like Lita. Anybody else see this video and remember
    who it is.
    					The KER
    

    
    	Not Ozzy/Lita's "Close Your Eyes Forever", was it?
    
    							GTI
    

    
    	"Stiletto" has some good stuff on it, which surprised me alot
    	considering I didn't like the "Out for Blood" album ... and I
    	figured the typical good/bad/worse progression would be in
    	order for Lita too.  I haven't heard "Lita" [3rd album], so I
    	can't really classify that either way.
    
    	"Hungry" - my favorite from this album
    	"Cherry Red"
    	"Big Gun"
    
    	are the best ones.  Some of it's slow, but overall I wasn't
    	disappointed.
    
    							GTI
    

      It wasn't Ozzy. It seems it was a fairly new song.
    				The KER
    

    
    Anybody other than moi think that the track 'Wakeup Call' in Lita 
    latest efort is a rip-off of the beginning of Bon Jovi's "Lay your 
    hands on me".
    
    Curious

    
    	Nope.
    

    
    	RE: Tigga [from 711.something]
    
    	If you want a recommendation, get "Dancing on the Edge" ... the
    	best Lita album.  And believe it or not, "Stiletto" is my 2nd
    	favorite ... "Hungry", "Wake Up Call", "Outro", "Stiletto" are
    	all great!!
    
    							GTI

    
    
    	Chris has one of them... maybe Hungry?  I know it's an
    	early release... I'll have to try and dig it up to
    	listen to it.
    	
    	tigga~~~~ AFTER I find Roxx Gang and listen to that. (;

    ....anybody see the show at the Channel last night???...how wuzit?
    /k

    
    Yeah, we want to know if she got in a fight and didn't laid! 8-)

    
    
    
    	Yup, I went... Great show! LITA!.... wow, thats all I can say...
    great outfit! (black chaps, G-string, and half shirt... YOWW!)
    
    She sounded great! cool set, was cool we she sang that song, "close
    your eyes," or something like that! She had the crowd sing all of 
    Ozzy's parts! and it sounded mint! 
    
    It went pretty well, until at the end of the last song, the Git player
    lead over into the crowd, and they all jumped up and grabbed the neck
    of his guitar and pulled him into the crowd, about 6 roadies came out 
    and jumped into the crowd... was comical!!
    
    
    OVERALL, 3 thumbs up!!
    
    
    JW

    
    Where'd that other thumb come from Jim 8)
    
    
    
    
    Chris

    ...ok...jim....you can do it here or you can do it in the Tuff note....
    but, if you caught them, how were they?..../k
    

    
    	Has anyone else bought the new album, or am I the only one?
    
    	"Larger than Life" rocks!!
    
    							GTI

    
    I look at the cover when I see it... ;)
    
    
    
    Chris

    Rhythm dudes Tommy Caradonna and Jimmy DeGrasso(In White Lion briefly,
    are now touring with Lita.  
       Good to see they guys are joining a sinking ship this time.
    
            Frizkid
    

    
    	New album, "Black", is out [I believe].
    
    	Rolling Stone had a 1/2 page ad for it.
    

    
    
    
    
    "I WENT TO A PARTY LAST SATURDAY NIGHT... BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH"
    
    ;')

    IT AIN'T NO BIG THANG...

    
    	Speak for yourself!!
    

    "Didn't Get Laid..Got in A_Fight."