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HAZEL::STARR "Like a fool, fell in love with you..."  6 lines  10-NOV-1988 09:39
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re: the last few

The Styx song in question is "Suite Madame Blue" - no relation to
Queensryche, other than they are both good songs.

cat

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ASAHI::COOPER "Barf and Puke"                         5 lines  10-NOV-1988 10:06
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    Agreed.
    
    Styx is pretty killer, even if they aren't metal...
    
    jc
    

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CSC32::G_HOUSE "Whaddaya want from me?"               7 lines  10-NOV-1988 14:28
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    Incidently, that Styx song is from Equinox, not Kilroy (barf) was
    here.
    
    Styx had some good stuff, but (IMO) their best material was on the
    albums prior to The Grand Illusion.
    
    Gh
    

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MCIS2::AKINS "Big Bad Billy.....Sweet William now."   3 lines  10-NOV-1988 18:19
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    Re:-1  Prior to and on The Grand Illusion.
    
    The Sentinel

    

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RAVEN1::WHITBY "I'm here,you're here...Let's Party!" 11 lines  10-NOV-1988 23:06
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    	I gotta agree with the last two replies
    
    	Styx used to be a pre-requesite (<-sp?) at any High School
    	party.
    
    	Kilroy was queer is cop-out from them, I hate that album

    	Hollywood......................to much time on my hands!
    

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ASAHI::COOPER "Barf and Puke"                         6 lines  11-NOV-1988 09:18
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    Is true... I like GRand Illusion and stuff much better than Kilroy...
    
    Then I saw the concert.  It was very cool.
    
    Theatrical though..

    jc
    

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HAZEL::STARR "Like a fool, fell in love with you..." 12 lines  11-NOV-1988 09:28
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While Kilroy wasn't a great album, at least the band had the guts to try
and make a concept album, and one with an anti-censorship messag at that!
(And this was before the PMRC even existed.)

I like 'Kilroy', but love 'Paradise Theatre' album. 'Grand Illusion' is 
really good, and I love 'Equinox' and 'Crystal Ball'. 'Cornerstone' was
metza-metza....

cat

    
        Band line-up:
    
        Dennis DeYoung - vocals, keyboard
        Tommy Shaw - Lead guitar, vocals
        James Young - Lead guitar, vocals
        Chuck Panazzo - ?
        ? Panazzo - ?
    
                                                       GTI
    

    I give anyone 5$ for cassette or 15$ for the CD of Tommy Shaw's
    LP that has the song "Girls with guns" on it!!!!!  No one has it!
    Is there anyone out there that can help me find it??
    
    I've tried:
    
    Auburn Mall
    Worcester Center
    Greendale Mall
    All Strawberries
    All record clubs!!!!
    
    BOZ     
    

>    I give anyone 5$ for cassette or 15$ for the CD of Tommy Shaw's
>    LP that has the song "Girls with guns" on it!!!!!  No one has it!
>    Is there anyone out there that can help me find it??
    
BOZ, you just gotta ask the right people! I got the album (its pretty 
good, too!) - I'd be more than happy to whip off a copy for ya - contact
me off-line.

re: Styx

Although some may argue their right to be discussed here, let me state this;
Styx rocked harder than almost any of the pop-metal bands that are out 
today. Sure, their biggest hits were syrupy ballads, but if you know
songs like like "Blue Collar Man", "Suite Madame Blue", "Miss America",
"Half-Penny, Two-Penny", etc., you know what I'm talking about. 

Anyone remember when Tommy Shaw was on WBCN in 1981 around Christmas-time?
He went into the stations studio with an acoustic guitar, and just played
music and hung out for an entire afternoon - singing X-Mas carols, and
Beatles songs, and just having fun. It was the best radio interview I
had ever heard!

cat

    
        RE: Cat
    
                Yeah, I love "Half Penny, Two Penny" and "Miss
                America" ... "Miss America" sounds better live than
                studio!!
    
                                                       GTI
    

    
     
     Shawn,  
              I have to disagree with you. I much prefer Miss America
    the studio version. The guitars sound so crisp.
    
              A good Styx Cd to buy is the 25th Anniversary greatest
    hits by A@m. It contains the best songs from Equinox up until the Live
    album. By the way Shawn it does contain the live version of Miss America 
    instead of the studio version...
    
    
                My favorite albums are Equinox and Grand Illusion..
    
                                       Rich                                      
    

      I found "Girls With Guns" by Tommy Shaw at Strawberries in White
    City Plaza for 2.99, thanks for the offer Andy........
    
    Boz

    >>> re.: 1.0
    
    I think you missed the first three albums.
    Here they are:
    
    
    	- Styx     (including Movement for the common man= ELP covered
                    it on one of their later albums) 
    	- Styx II  (including Lady)
    	- The serpant is rising
    
    I heard they split. TS, DDY and JY are doing solo lps. I have all
    of them expected the JY album.
    
    Tom
    

    
    Styx is getting back together!  I heard it on Rock Line the other
    night when Damn Yankees (Shaw, Blades, Nugent, Cartellone) were on.
    Obviously, Tommy will not be joining them.  It won't be the same
    without Tommy but I'm anxious to hear from them!
    
    RE: -.1...as I recall, wasn't there another album on Wooden Nickel
    Records?  I thought there was 4?  Man of Miracles maybe?????
    
    J.

      Shaw and Nuggent just put a single out together.  They're playing it
    on WAAF.
    
    
    
    Boz

    
    	See note 360 (Damn Yankees) for more info on the new band.
    
    							GTI
    

I got an advance copy of the new Styx release. Although there are no liner
notes, I believe it is the entire old lineup with the exception of Tommy
Shaw (who is off with Ted Nugent in Damn Yankees). I heard that Glen Blotnick
(sp?) is taking his place. I don't know who he is, but the name sound familiar
(maybe from Little River Band?).

The new album (don't know the title - its only listed as 'Styx' on the tape) 
is actually very good. It it very reminiscent of the 'Grand Illusion' and 
'Cornerstone' era. Very little electronics, lots of harmonies. The titles are:

Side 1
1. Love Is The Ritual
2. Show Me The Way
3. Edge Of The Century
4. Love At First Sight
5. All In A Day's Work

Side 2
1. Not Dead Yet
2. World Tonight
3. Carrie Ann
4. Homewrecker
5. Back To Chicago

"Love Is The Ritual" is the first single, and sorta reminds me a bit of Duran 
Duran. A little funky, a little rock, its a pretty decent song, but not 
representative of the whole album. 

"Show Me The Way" is a power ballad, sounding a little more like REO 
Speedwagon than Styx, but its ok. The classic Styx harmonies show up here
for the first time on the record.

"Edge Of The Century" is the best song on the album, and it kicks! Reminds
me a lot of "Miss America" from 'Grand Illusion'. Good, rockin' guitar - 
this shoulda been the first song released!

"Love At First Sight" is another mid-tempo ballad. You can really hear 
Dennis DeYoung's influence on the slower songs - he's immediately 
identifiable! (Although songwriting credits aren't listed.)

"All In A Day's Work" should really please old-time Styx fans. Its a fairly
sparse arrangement, mostly just a single acoustic guitar with a small touch
of synth in the background. Nice harmonies. Reminds me a little of "Sing For
The Day" from 'Cornerstone'.

Side two opens with "Not Dead Yet", which, of all things, is a barroom rocker!
Sounds good too! But its something I would expect more from the Fabulous
Thunderbirds as opposed to Styx. But its a nice suprise!

"World Tonight" is a sort of a standard AOR song, nothing special, but not
too bad either.

Just when I thought we'd had enough ballads, "Carrie Ann" pops up. Not a 
remake of the classic Hollies tune, but it could just as easily be called
"Babe, Part II". But despite the fact that its a ripoff of an earlier hit,
its still a nice song.

"Homewrecker" is a fairly wretched rocker. Avoid.

"Back To Chicago" is an ambitious track that works pretty well. It starts
with a little symphony on it, but that quickly gives way to a nice pop beat,
with a very cool horn section in it. And, of all things, the song contains
a clarinet solo! A first listen, the song seemed a little awkaward. But its
really growing on me, and now I like it.

Overall, this is a very strong album, if you like Styx. The lyrics aren't 
quite as strong as they could be, but I think that's because the past few
albums were concept-oriented, and gave them more direction. A couple clunkers 
on here, but the best songs stand right next to their catalog as some of their
best. I'd definitely recommend it if you're a Styx fan!

alan

    Re -1
    
    
    I like your P-name
    
    Jeff

    
    RE: .18
    
    Hmmmmmmmm.  Maybe I should check this one out....
    
    "Homewrecker"  sounds like the kind of song that JY would sing....?
    
    SESOB 

    
    	RE: J.
    
    	Yup, JY does "Homewrecker", and it's a good thing too.  After
    	listening to this album twice, I've come to realize that I'm
    	sick of hearing Dennis DeYoung's voice.  He has a great voice,
    	but I've had enough.
    
    	"Homewrecker" is the only song that JY does on the new one,
    	and it's too bad ... I think he could've done a good job on
    	"Not Dead Yet", and maybe others.  [I miss Tommy Shaw too!!]
    
    	The album's 1/2 good ... every other song is a ballad.  I
    	wish they had more rockin' stuff, but oh well.
    
    							GTI
    

      My band played a huge mega-keg party Saturday night. I'm mentioning
    it here because it was a Halloween type party and we played Styx's
    "Castle Walls" for our opener. It sounds something like the theme
    to the Halloween movie. Really set the tone. I don't mean we played
    it on tape. We actually played it, after the last swell we broke
    into "Best of What I Got" by Bad English - and the crowd of over
    300 partyers loved it. What a great first gig with a new band!
    
    							-BooM-

    
    "Castle Walls" is a killer tune!!!
    
    GTI:
    I picked up the new CD about a week ago, and it really hasn't caught
    my attention, yet.  I always end up putting another CD in instead.
    I have listened to it about 4 or 5 times tho and here's my perception
    of the album so far...
    
    What the heck happened to John Panazzo!?  Has he gone soft in his older
    age?  Where's that radical drumming I used to love; "Eddie", "Blue
    Collar Man", "Renegade", "Rockin' the Paradise", blah, blah, blah!
    
    I never really thought that Chuck was a radical bass player or
    anything, but I've always liked his playing, and thought that Styx
    always had a good rhythm section.  Well, not no more!
    
    Yup, I agree that there really is too many mooshy songs and way too
    much keyboards compared to their older stuff(save Kilroy Was Here).
    
    Overall, I'm pretty disappointed with their effort.  One of the CD's I 
    grab instead of grabbing the new Styx' is Damn Yankees.
    
    I've noticed that Dennis DeYoung produced this album, I think he oughta
    be shot and the rest of the guys should go back into hybernation until
    they're ready for a SERIOUS comback effort.  And DROP THIS NEW GUY
    GLEN, AND GET TOMMY BACK FROM DAMN YANKEES!!!
    
    Ahem!  All this is IMHO, of course...  8*)
    
    SESOB

      Yo SESOB, I have to agree. I heard this album not long ago and I
    thought it was, how should I say it, lacking. It just wasn't there.
    Glad I got to hear it before I went and bought it. I would have hated
    to wasted my money.
    					The KER
    

    Compare this new effort with Pieces of Eight...
    these guys have COME BACK FOR CASH with total commercial tunes
    aimed at Casey's top 40.
    
    Don't waste your money on it/Motorbreath

    I heard on the radio yesterday that the reunited Styx had asked Tommy
    Shaw to join them, but he honored his committment to Damn Yankees.  I
    respect that, but I wish he would've went back to Styx.  He was their
    nucleus.
    
    Mike

    I think the reunited Styx should go back wherever they were before, I
    can't stand 'em.  Like so many of those reissue dinosaur bands from the
    '70s that are now reforming just to make a buck, they have *no*
    identifiable sound.  They sound nothing like the original version, and
    they all seem to sound alike.  Yuck.
    
    gh, who hopes they get enough money to stop trying to make music again,
        but they won't get any of his

    >He was their nucleus.
    
    ...and not even an original member!!
    
    
    Buck, who loves STYX, and will check out the tour if they do tour

    Not only that, if Shaw left DY, we'd not only have Styx back where it
    belongs, but Nugent where he belongs as well.  The Madman was better on
    his own.
    
    Mike

        I saw  Styx  when  they made a stop in Burlington, VT about a
        month ago.  The radio was raving that this was going to be an
        `oldies tour'.  The  farthest  back  they  went  to  was `The
        Grand Illusion' with `Miss America'  and  `Come  Sail  Away'.
        They didn't even do `Light Up',  `Crystal Ball' or `Pieces of
        Eight'.  
        
        They were good, so don't get me  wrong,  it's just that I was
        expecting  more of their old stuff mucho prior  to  `Paradise
        Theatre' and `Kilroy'. . .(Which they did alot of !)
        
        IMHO.  .  .don't'  bother  wasting  the  money  on  a concert
        ticket.
        
        METALord"�

I saw 'em in Burlington in 1977 when they had just released Crystal Ball (I 
think)  They were great.  Did a lot of their oldies then ;-)

A snowstorm forced a postponement of their Montreal Forum show and they did 2
shows in Burlington since they had to come back to the area.

Who was the original guitarist?  He was no big loss as I remember...

I don't like their new stuff at all.

Tim

    
    	Does anyone know if "Caught in Act" is available on CD?
    
    
    							GTI
    

    
    	It is, Noteworthy lists it. 2 CDs, $14.04
    
    
    Vinny

    
    	Thanks!!
    
    	Nothing like the live version of "Miss America"!!
    
    	James Young ROOLZ!!
    
    							GTI

    
    Did anybody ever buy the James Young Group's "Raised By Wolves"
    released last year?
    
    - Sean

    
    	Wow, never heard of it ... would have if I knew about it,
    	though.  [You've gotta tell me about these things!!  8^)]
    
    	Which reminds me, I haven't listened to "City Slicker" by
    	Young and Jan Hammer in awhile.
    

    
    
    Karen and I went to see these guys last night.....
    
    
    no where nearly as good as Kansas(who I was pleasantly suprised with)
    
    
    
    					Ian

    for the record....i went to see Kansas...Styx just happened to be
    there........;").................../k

If Styx forgot everysong they wrote after Crystal Ball came out I would have
been psyched.  Mr Roboto and Blue Collar Man would have sent me for the parking
lot...  (or the beer tent)

Timbo

    
    
    don't remember Mr.Roboto being played but I do remember Crystal Ball!
    
    
    						ian
    
    
    and they played a song about a farm yard animal called "babe" 8)
    
    wasn't it nice to write a song about a little piggy??!?! 8)
    
       							ian					

Blurgh...

    >  no where nearly as good as Kansas(who I was pleasantly suprised
    > with)
    
    I'm only surprised that you were surprised.
    
    While the band has, IMHO, suffered the loss of one of the world's
    greatest tune-writers in Kerry Livgren, the players they have now
    are very competent, and they still have the guy who I feel has the
    best voice in R&R (Steve Walsh).
    
    I've seen them in the current configuration a number of times and my
    feeling is that Kerry Livgren's songs are so incredibly good, that
    almost anyone could play them (even Metropolis) and the quality of
    the songwriter comes thru.
    
    In fact, I think so highly of Kerry Livgren as a songwriter that I'd
    say that even with Steve Morse, they couldn't live up to the Livgren
    standard.   That's how much I respect Kerry Livgren.
    
    	db

    ..well, kansas has *always* been a favorite of mine..long before 
    any labels like 'progressive'...or whatever ..were placed on them....i
    grew up on this stuff.....so i guess i'm dating myself...;")...which
    is ok cuz a funner date you couldnt' possibly have...;').....anyway,
    the one song that i was surprised to learn was a Styx song, was the
    encore tune.....ian what was the name of that tune?....the word
    'gallows' i think is in the name..anyway, i was incredibly surprised to
    find out that that was a styx tune...i've always liked that tune ...and
    they have some other tunes that are pretty good....tommy shaw is good
    and i like their 3 part harmones....but just about anything the keyboard 
    player does reminds me of liberace....yecch,.,..and his voice is
    annoying as all get out........................../k

    
    I can't remember the encore as I was on "Looney watch" 8)
    
    
    
    							ian

>    I can't remember the encore as I was on "Looney watch" 8)
    
    Which reminds me... did you manage to run into Rob?
    
    ;-)
    
    	db

    
    re-1
    
    hahaha!
    
    nope,we met a bigger nutcase than him and she was a real mental case@
    
    
    ...and her boyfriend was a dream date! 8)
    
    							ian

    
    re: -2
    
    Rob...blow off practice.  That doesn't sound like him!
    
    And speaking of practice, what is the latest scoop on Metropolis.  R we
    gonna get to see you guys live again or are you still focusing on doing
    some studio stuff?
    
    /jen

    We really think we're about ready to book a gig.   
    
    First we lost a guitarist, then we lost a bass player so we've been
    getting those folks up to speed.
    
    Actually the new guitarist is rather amazing at learning stuff. In his
    audition we asked him to learn 2 or 3 tunes and he came in with about
    12 down cold!!!  
    
    It wasn't very hard to decide which guitarist we had auditioned would
    get the gig.  ;-)
    
    I think we'll probably be playing gigs again by August or Septemeber,
    but hopefully sooner.
    
    	db

    
    ...Then a trip to Colo. Spgs. to record at "Noizey Boize Productions"
    once the new "facility" is completed and the ADATs arrive...
    
    :-)

    
    	RE: .43
    
    	That was "Renegade":
    
    	"Oh, mama, I'm in fear for my life
    	 from the long arm of the law.
    	 Law man has put an end to my running
    	 and I'm so far from my home.
    	 Oh, mama, I can hear you a-cryin'
    	 you're so scarerd and all alone.
    	 Hangman is comin' down from the gallows
    	 and I don't have very long."
    

    ...that's it!...great song....never knew they did that one!......../k

    
    	It's on "Pieces of Eight" if you're so inclined to buy it.
    
    	And maybe even a "greatest hits" or "classics" album put
    	out by whoever put them out.
    
    	One of their better songs, for sure ... maybe even the 1st
    	Styx song I'd ever heard.
    

	and the only one I ever liked...

    
    ...and I'll finish for ya Shawn...
    
    "YEEEEAAAAAHHHH!!
    
    Renegade *is* on Greatest hits

    
    	"The jig is up the news is out
    	 they've finally found me.
    	 The renegade who had it made
    	 retrieved for a bounty.
    	 Never more to go astray,
    	 this will be the end today
    	 of the wanted man."
    

    
    Hey, I just got my copy of Styx "Greatest Hits" from BMG (doing that
    70's thing!)   Here is the list of what it contains:
    
    Lady '95  (a re-recording done on June 11, 1995 when DeYoung, Shaw,
    Young and the Panozzos got together for the first time since 1984 to
    record)
    
    The Best of Times
    Lorelei
    Too much time on my Hands (GTI's theme song!  :^)  )
    Babe
    Fooling Yourself (The Angry Young Man)
    Show Me the Way
    Renegade
    Come Sail Away
    Blue Collar Man (Long Nights)
    The Grand Illusion
    Crystal Ball
    Suite Madame Blue
    Miss America
    Mr. Roboto (Mr. Fennell's fav I believe!)
    Don't Let it End
    
    
    /jen
    

Lady is the first song I remember hearing.  That would be around 1974-75 I
guess...  The song I was trying to rememeber was Suite Madame Blue.  By the time
The Grand Illusion/Paradise Theater came out they were too predictable and I
gave up on them.

They were good in their time.


Mr Roboto - bah, ptooie...

    
    They definitely peaked on Equinox.
    
    I think John Curlewski (guitar) kept the earlier stuff a littler
    harder.
    
    An old girlfriend absolutely loved this band and dragged me to
    see Tommy Shaw live twice (band had broken up) - the tortures of
    the damned I tell ya...  "Girls with Guns"  :^P
    
    - Sean

    
    	I forgot about "Miss America" ... another of my favorites of
    	theirs.  The live version is even better than the studio vers-
    	ion, which is quite rare, IMO.