Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    Good topic Mr.Kelly,
    
    
         Metal Church is really good.....The first album I have 
    God of wrath..In the black..
         The drummer is exellent...being a drummer myself he's got
    styles I've been working on.the vocals are intense.........
    
                      metal church I'll give you a  10 1/2 +
                                    Jim...Tama
    

    
    I've seen Metal Church opening for Metallica, a few years ago.
    It was during Master's Tour. It was Nice (the closest major
    city) last HM concert. 
    
    And MC was really good !
    They warmed up the athmosphere for Metallica very well
    
    
    
    			Didier "You can't kill Rock & Roll"

    re:3
    
    	I think the term most first-album Metal Church fans used after
    hearing album 2 was "wimpy". They have vowed to kick tail on their
    3rd album. Has it been released yet?
    
    /MOTOrbreath

                
                3rd album  isn't  out,  but I personally like the
                2nd better than  the  first.   The first only has
                two songs that I  think are great, the rest don't
                do much for me.   The  2nd album, the whole thing
                is great.  I can sit  down  and listen to the 2nd
                all the way through a couple of times, the first,
                I  shut  off  after Church and Wrath (two  of  my
                favorite beach cruising songs).
                
                

    
    re.5
    		I agree the first album is good but the second is even
    better.  I cant wait for the third.  They are probably still looking
    for a new git.
    
    Bk
    
    ..Turnin up that chainsaw sound....
    

    
    	It appears that the new album has been released, or is iminent
    for release, as Kerrang has just reviewed it.  I'll try to get it
    tomorrow and let you know what I think.
    
    	THE Count MoshDuckula.

    Oh yeah....
    
    I heard (and forgot to tell ya) that the US release for the new Metal
    Church has been pushed back.  It was slated for a release this month,
    now they are saying Feb. or possibly March!
    
    Buck 

    
    	I have heard some stuff from the new album... Belssing in disguise
    (I think)..any way it had a new singer.  Can someone who has the
    album or good valid ibfo give me a lne up of the band stating whos
    new and who's not... and a review of the album??
    
    BK
    

    I know I said MC was on hold, but it looks like it will be out next
    month for sure now (not march as previously thought).
    
    Buck

I just picked up a copy of the new Metal Church album, but haven't had a 
chance to listen to it yet. Any reviews out there? Anything I should 
especially keep an ear open for?

cat

    RE: new Church
    
    Aack!  Sell it and pick up The Dark!
    
    When they lost their lead guit n Singer, they nailed the coffin
    shut forever!
    
    "Start, start the fire...bring down the hammer (on the new lp)" ;^)
    

    re: .13
    
    I donno about that statement.  I mean, sure, maybe the guy is a better
    singer with more range, etc., but metal church's sound came from that
    Chainsaw guitar buzz and the singer's draino-induced voice.  I mean,
    its like if Accept got Geoff Tate to replace Udo on vocals.  Sure, he's
    a 1,000 times better singer than Udo, but he just wouldn't fit in that
    band...Accept needs (and still needs) that Udo grunge...its what makes
    the band! 

    RE-1 I agree.  Better singers don't make a band better.  There is
    a "SOUND" that Metal Church had.  I may pick up the tape but if
    it's not the same singer, then I may give it to my daughter.
    
    Chris D.

>    Aack!  Sell it and pick up The Dark!

I already have 'The Dark' anyways - I got it when it first came out....

I'll check it out and let ya know what I think.

cat

    
    I picked up Blessing.... and for some reason it just doesn't click.
    The music is fine and I like the lyrics but that damn singer doesn't
    fit that type of music.....he sounds like he should be singing in
    REO Speedwagon or Xxx Xxxxxx!
    
    Flip

    
    	Re Flip
    
    	I totally agree... MC isnt MC without Dave Wayne (former singer)
    
    	He imo *WAS* MC....his voice was irreplaceable...
    
    BK
    

    re: .19  I kinda disagree.  I think this is one of those bands where
    TOGETHER, they were MC.  With any one of them gone, it's not the
    same, no matter which one.
    
    Chris D.

    Finally "Blessing in disguise" is not bad at all. Fake Healer is my
    favourite. The CD is less punching than "The dark" but is very well
    done and promissing.
    Regards, Sorin V.

    Comparing "The Dark" and "Blessing in Disguise" (different lead vocals
    and guitar) I realised that the Metal Church's sound signature is
    determined by their excellent drums-bass-rythm guitar combination.
    The drummer is very fast (and strong). Even if they changed their lead
    vocals and guitar they keep sounding the same original way and have
    very strong potential. My only problem is what happens with the
    compositions as Kurt Vanderhoof signed also many of them on the new
    album, and now he's no more with the group.
    I like finally both singers with a preference for the unique voice on
    "The Dark".
    I hope they will succeed.
    Sorin

    	"Blessing" is a totally bitchin' album. It's pure energy thru and
    thru. just check out good sh*t like "Rest in Pieces" or "The Spell
    Can't be Broken" the raw intensity of those songs is incredible. I
    can't say I've heard any of thier previous stuff, but from what I've
    heard, they definetly don't have any problems getting a powerful sound
    with thier new line up. "Blessing" is now one of my favorite albums.
    
    LANDSHARK

    I saw these guys a month or two back at a local concert - for a
    support band they were pretty good, although I've heard that their
    headlining gigs in the UK have been going down BAD!  
    
    Flip

    
    	I just got "Blessing in Disguise" the other night, and I
    	like it after 1 listen.  I'll have to give it a high-vol-
    	ume listen, also, to make sure.
    
    	The lead singer has a great voice, and the band, overall,
    	sounds similar to Metallica ... timing changes, though not
    	as abrupt, and instrumental intros to songs stand out.
    
    							GTI
    

Re. GTI

"Blessing.." remains very fine at high volume and songs like "Fake healer" are 
real killers when played loud. I wish they continue their evolution.

Sorin

    I don't know much about Metal Church and I want to pick up a few
    of there cuts.  What are some of the heaviest albums they've put
    out?
    
    Eric.

    
    The Dark.  One of my favorites.
    
    Chris D.

"The dark" is also my favourite but "Blessing in disguise" is also fine. Both
are heavy.

Sorin

    
    Metal Church have completed work on their fouorth album - The Human
    Factor.  It was produced by Mark dodge of Anthrax fame and is set for
    release through the Fame label sometime in the Spring.
    
    Flip

"The human factor" shows a progression from "Blessing.." and reflects the 
integration of the actual formula. While Kurt Vanderhoof is no more member of 
the band, he's signing all the songs and collaborates to the production.
"The human factor" rocks more than "Blessing.." while being heavy as usual.
There are more melodies and choruses and this works fine. Mike Howe sings a bit
like a combination of Udo and Rod Halford and this is fine (still, David Wayne
remains a phenomena). The drumming is less present than usual but the guitar
part (solos) is enhanced. The album is also quite variated and well balanced
with faster and 'slower' songs. I liked the most "Date with poverty", "Betrayal"
and "Agent green" (but they are all 10 good).
Well recommended !

Sorin

    Re. last
    
    Sorry not Rod .. but Rob Halford.
    
    Sorin

    You got Rod on your brain Sorin!  Just because you can't wait to go and
    see Rod Stewart this week (^8*.
    
    
    GAZ

    I picked up "Blessing..."from the bargain bin in a music store.On first
    listening,it was ok after a couple of times it kicks,I love Fake Healer
    and Badlands a couple of killer songs.
    
    
    
    
                                       Staynz

    How would you compare it to The Dark?
    
    Chris D.

    re-1
    
    don't know,I've never heard the dark,this is my first MC tape.
    
    
                                              Staynz

Re. Staynz and Chris

"The dark" contains many of the best songs of Metal Church, but "Blessing.." is
also excellent. "The dark" remains an essential MC album and benefits also of
David Wayne's original voice. Mike Howe is however also a fine singer.
"The human factor", their new album, is musically their most accomplished while
hammering a little less than "Blessing.." (but rocking more).
On "Blessing..", "Fake healer" and "Badlands" are also my favorites (songs 
closer to those on the new album).
In any case I like all the 3 MC albums which I have (and all three sound 
original). I wonder how it was the first album.

Sorin

    My fav MC albums run:
    
    The Dark
    Metal Church
    Blessing...

    
    Expect a new album by the end of the year from these guys...
    They say 1991 is their make or break year.... i've also heard that they
    haven't even started making the new one yet....so take yer pick on
    which one to believe...
    
    They will be featured on the upcoming OPERATION: ROCK AND ROLL
    video...from the tour.

A second album in 1991 ? That's nice. "The human factor" (released this year)
is their best album since "The dark".

Sorin

    
    Thas' what I heard!  It's been a year now anyway!
    
    
    
    
    Chris

     Well, I picked up The Human Factor at Stuart's 1/2 price sale.  I
    was........ahh....worried about how MC sould sound without David at
    vocals.  Well, they sound great!!  Side one of the tape is excellent.
    Side two is good, but not as good as side one.  I really love Date With
    Poverty and could just imagine how it would sound with David Wayne
    singing instead of Mike Howe (who, by the way, does an excellent jod
    throughout the tape).  Now I have The Dark, Metal Church, and The Human
    Factor.  Excellent band and excellent material.
    
    Chris D.

Re. Chris

After few listenings you'll enjoy all the songs on tHF equally well (second
side of the tape). "Date with poverty" and "Final word" are among the very
best.

If you like tHF, you can go for "Blessing in disguise" also. Mike Howe sings on
it. It's heavier and less melodical than tHF but it remains a strong album.
Just check out "Fake healer". A killer song.

Actually my preference for MC albums is the following:

1. The dark
2. The human factor
3. Blessing in disguise
4. Metal Church (actually only few songs are really top class)

Sorin

    I probably would have bought Blessings too if it was there.  All they
    had was the Human Factor and The Dark.
    
    Chris D.

    
    I heard the new album was pushed back from a Februaury release date to
    an April one. Bummer.
    
    
    

    
    Hey!!  Chris Breakfastbar is right.  MC is KILLER!!!!!
    
    Chris D.

        Yeah, MC is killer !  I'm just happy they got rid of the name
        Hammer. :^)
        
        Now be fair to Frizz-dood.  I'm sure there was a time in your
        pasts that you liked teenie bopper music too !
        
        :^)
        
        METALord"�

    Escargo lent me THE HUMAN FACTOR.  Sorry, I gotta say I'm disappointed.
    Give me THE DARK and I'm happy...

    
    Human Factor is a cool album IMHO, but it isn't the Dark...
    
    Friz have you even heard the Dark?

    Once....I didn't much attention to it though.
    
           Frizkid
    

    It's true that it doesn't compare with The Dark, but Human Factor is
    very close to it!  After falling head over heels for MC (the original)
    I was expecting a huge let-down when I bought The Human Factor.  Side
    one is a brain-burner.  Side two smoldered for awhile, but it's
    begining to light my brain now.  In fact, that's the tape I've been
    carrying around with me lately in case I feel like listening to
    something other than the CB in the car.
    
    Chris D.

    It looks like John Marshall will be fillin in on Guitar for Metallica
    for the rest of this tour.
    
         Crazy_Good_Choice_Since_MC_Used_to_Open_For_Mettalica_Al

    
    This is the third time he's done it. 
    
    This also means that it will be a strict set.

    Boy, do  I miss Davud Wayne on vocals!!

    
    So do I.

Anyone know what's happening to the long awaited album??  I 
haven't heard anything about this bunch for ages - are they still 
together or what?  Also what happended to Dave Wayne - did he 
join another group?  I totally loved his voice.  A duet with him 
and Udo (Accept) would have been really something!

F.M.  

    AHHHHHHHHHHH...I shudder the thought.
    
      Friz
    

    
         I saw what appeared to be a new ('93?) low-budget
    looking Metal Church tape at the Greendale Mall the other
    day.  Don't quite remember the name, but I do remember that
    I am extremely hesitant in purchasing this one due to the 
    fact that everything they've done after "The Dark" has
    yanked it.
    
    Anyone familiar with this?  Is it worth buying??
    
    Kev (who just finished cranking "Beyond the Black" while
         on patrol) --
    

    
    
    Huh...Kool !
    
    Sax_it_was_good_Al

    You'll See How Good it is When I Catch you with my Axe,Eugene.
    
      Crazy_Chop_Chop_Chop_Al

    
    
       :)
    
    

    
    Unless there are 2 Duke Eriksons, the former bassist for Metal Church
    is now groovin' with the band Garbage.
    
    Kev --