Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    
    Another band that came to mind after I read the pervious note and
    realized I forgot to sign it,is Testament.  They have two albums
    out and both are good, worth looking into if you like your music
    a little heavier than usual
    
    Bk <--- didnt forget this time 8^)
    

                
                ICON!!!!! All the way!
                
                Also, more  wider  known,  but  should  still  be
                bigger . . .
                
                TNT
                Savatage
                Killer Dwarves
                Metal Church
                
                But ICON has  to  be  the  number one underrated,
                unheard of band.
                
                

    
        Icon discography, anyone?
    
        I love 'On Your Feet'!
    
                                                       GTI
    
        If there's enough of a discography, they might deserve their
        own note.
    

     
    re .2  Metal Church??  They're well known.  They have two albums
    that did very well,they toured with Anthrax.  They get played on
    the radio when the radios have the HM shows and..AND even eMpTy
    V plays their vid Watch the Childern Pray.
    
    	But they did loose their lead git.  He was supposed to start
    another band, where is he??  And MC was supposed to have another
    album out, where are they??
    
    Bk
    The war is over___in the late 1900s' there is no human race..
    

    
    
    I can list here the French HM bands I know, I pretty sure 
    you never heard of them. Some are or were pretty good.
    
    	- TRUST    
    	- VULCAIN  
    	- H-BOMB   
    	- ADX
    	- SATAN JOKERS
    	- DER KAISER
        - STOCKS
    	- FISC
    	- KLAXON   
                        
    
    	I forgot some. 
    		      
    				Didier 

                
                Re: .4
                
                I said,  Metal  Church was more well known, but I
                don't think they  get  enough  recognition.  They
                really aren't that big.
                
                RE: Icon
                
                They  only  have  two  albums,  both  on  Capital
                Records.
                
                Icon - Produced by (guess who) Mike Varney - 1984
                
                        (Rock On) Through the Night
                        Killer Machine
                        On Your Feet
                        World War
                        Hot Desert Night
                        Under My Gun
                        Iconoclast
                        Rock 'N' Roll Maniac
                        I'm Alive
                        It's Up To You
                
                Icon - Night of the Crime - 1985
                       Produced by Eddie Kramer
                
                        Naked Eyes
                        Missing
                        Danger Calling
                        Shot At My Heart
                        Out For Blood
                        Raise the Hammer
                        Frozen Tears
                        The Whites of Their Eyes
                        Hungry For Love
                        Rock My Radio
                

    
    re .4 > I said Metal Church was more well known, but I
    	    don't think they get enough recognition.
    
    I'll buy that..they dont get near enough recognition.
    
    Bk
    

    Icon...AWESOME GROUP!! I used to own 'Night of the Crime', but lost
    it in my travels, you think they still sell it at Strawberries??
    
    Anyone ever hear of HAWK? You know the guy who does the mail order
    "guitar lessons"?? Doug Hawk, I think is his name. Believe it or
    not the album he has out is pretty good. A mix between Yngie and
    Dio, you gotta hear it if you haven't already.
    
    -renee>

    I thot his name was Doug Marks?
    
    gh

    
    Re: -1 & -2
    
    Yes, Doug Marks is the founder of the Metal Method guitar instruction
    system (via mailorder).  he is the guitarist for the group Hawk.
    I went to college with, and am good friends with Hawk's bassist.
    I hear all the dirt of Doug Mark's ...he's a funny dude. I'm
    sort of surprised he sounds like ngwie now, but I should have 
    figured as much (who doesn't want to be Yngwie these days???),
    he used to be the ultimate Randy Rhoads clone.
    
    Buck

                
                Another *GREAT*  band that I love as much as Icon
                is  Wild  Dogs.      This  band  is  so  talented
                (especially if you are  a  drummer,  unbelievable
                drums).  I highly recommend  "Reign  of  Terror".
                They  are pretty heavy, not thrash  though,  more
                along  the  lines of Metal Church sort  of  group
                (warning:  some people have mentioned that it's a
                good  band,  but  they hate the singer's voice, I
                happen to love it).
                
                

    SO?
    
    Marks, Hawk, same thing!!! ;')
    
    Good band though, eh?
    
    -renee>

    
    	I don't know if this should be put in the Underground note,
    	or the  Fly-by-nite  note, but I just picked up the Annual
    	1988 issue of Hit Parader (call me the HM scene gossip of
    	the conference, okay?!  (^;  )...
    
    	There are a few bands that have ads, articles and such in
    	here that I've never/rarely heard of...bands like Smashed Gladys,
    	UDO, Savatage, Black'n'Blue, Shok Paris, ...
    
    	Anybody want to put their two cents in on the popularity
    	and quality, etc. of these bands?!
    
    	Tig~~

>    	There are a few bands that have ads, articles and such in
>    	here that I've never/rarely heard of...bands like Smashed Gladys,
>    	UDO, Savatage, Black'n'Blue, Shok Paris, ...

Well, I can give a littleinsight into a couple of these bands, although
I'm sure someone else knows more about some of them.

Smashed Gladys is a band on Elektra Records. They are similiar to the 
latest wave of LA metal, but have a female lead singer.

UDO is led by Udo Derkshneider, who is constantly having his name mispelled
by idiots like me. He was also the lead singer for Accept. He played in 
Boston with G&R at the Orpheum.

Both Savatage and Black and Blue have been kicking around for a while and
have a fewe alums out each. Never heard Savatage. What I heard of B&B
didn't impress me very much. Very unoriginal hard rock/HM band.

Never heard of Shok Paris. Sorry.

cat
_who_knows_a_little_about_a_lot_of_things_

    
        Savatage - had a song out called "She's Unusual".  OK, but
                   nothing real great.
    
        Black 'n' Blue - their self-titled album contained a cover
                         of Sweet's "Action" - OK for a cover, but
                         I'll take the original ANYDAY, thank you.
    
                                                       GTI
    

                I personally  love Savatage.  Real similar to the
                Metal Church sort  of music.  Very talented band.
                I saw them with Megadeth and Dio, and at the time
                I had only heard one  song  by  them (Hall of the
                Mountain  King),  but  playing  live,  they  were
                better than the other two.  Real good band.
                

    Magnum have been going for at least 10 years now but have never
    got the recognition they deserved until there latest album
    "Wings of Heaven" was released. They then had 3 singles in the top
    40 in the UK and a sell out UK tour.
    I was just wondering how well known they are in the states?
    There last 2 albums are quite commercial, while there earlier material
    was very original although I can't think of any group to compare
    them with.

    They are quite unknown (in France), but not for me. I love them.
    Everybody keep saying they are cloning Foreigner, but I think
    they are better than it.

    I have "On a storyteller night" which is great. I also have "Vigilante"
    and some others on tape, and I like them all.

    Good band for me

    Didier

    
    I've listened to some of their stuff, but I've heard nothing that
    beat th "Vigilante" album.
    
    Cheers,
    -Tony

    
    
    
    	Well, I guess this is the right place to put this 
    	although I don't know if the band shouldn't be unknown
    	because I've never heard them, but if any of you have,
    	then say something, because I'm curious as to what kind
    	of reaction this band will get.
    
    	They're called D'Molls, and below is a couple of exerpts
    	(sp?) from an article in March's issue of Hit Parader...
    
    	"They kinda look like Poison.  They kinda sound like 
    	Motley Crue.  They kinda talk like Ratt.  But, believe 
    	it or not, the guys in D'Molls are their own men.  
    	Despite any superficial similarities these four Chicago
    	natives may have with other members of rock society,
    	vocalist Desi Rexx, guitarist S.S. Priest, drummer 
    	Billy Dior and bassist Lizzy Valentine have their own 
    	way of getting their musical message across..."
    
    	"We don't mind the comparisons with other bands -- in
    	fact, we kind of expected them.  But we know that after
    	people listen to our album and see us live, we'll be the
    	band they'll be comparing young groups to in the years
    	ahead..."
    
    	These are just a couple paragraphs from the article, but
    	by reading the rest of it myself and seeing the picture
    	they have here, I think they are going to be THE biggest
    	glam band ever!!!!  I could be wrong, because I haven't
    	heard their music yet, but there's one guy in this band
    	who is the spitting image of Vince Neil when the Crue
    	first started.
    
    	And with names like what they have (lizzy valentine?!)
    	ay yi yi....anyone got info on these guys??
    
    
    	Tigga~~  (just my two cents)
    
    	

    "We don't mind the comparisons with other bands -- in fact, we kind of
    expected them.  But we know that after people listen to our album and
    see us live, we'll be the band they'll be comparing young groups to in
    the years ahead..."
    
    WHAT A F*****G ARROGANT ATTITUDE!!!  
    
    I wouldn't get their album or see them live if they paid ME! 
                                                                
    gh

    
    
    	RE: gh
    
    	Well, After I read the entire article, even *I*
    	(who enjoys a lot of the "poseur" bands) thought this
    	band to be incredibly arrogant and unoriginal, but
    	since I have yet to hear the music, I am trying to 
    	keep an open mind about it.
    
    	Some people would consider that statement (comparisons
    	to other bands) arrogant, others would look at it
    	as though it was merely a boost for their self-confidence.
    	The band was talking to a magazine, the media,  of
    	course they're going to boost themselves.  
    
    	Howdya think they sell the stuff!?!  (^8
    
    	Tigger~~~

    
     The album in question isn't bad but it doesn't jump off the
      turntable at you, It's a cross between most of the posuer bands
     all rolled into one.
    
    	M
    	 B

    I recently bought a used CD by a band called SEDUCE.  They have
    a video that is occasionally played on the Headgiver's Ball called
    "Crash Landing".  They sound a lot like early Motley Crue but with
    a real guitar player.  Anybody else heard of 'em ?  They're out
    of Detroit, BTW.
    
    
    				Scary

    RE: They sound a lot like M�tley Cr�e with a real guitar player...
    
    Agagagagagagagagagagaga aaaaa.... aaaaa
    
    aaaaa...

    See Warrent discussion...I heard these guys the other day and swore
    it was Motley, until the solo.
    
    gh

    
    
    	Anyone ever heard of a band called Bang Tango??  I heard
    	them Saturday night on the HBB and thought them to be 
    	somewhat of a cross between The Cult (forgive me if I'm
    	mistaken, I don't listen to The Cult...) and maybe 
    	Aerosmith, or Britny Fox (vocally).
    
    	Or how about Melidian, or Victory (German based band with
    	a Spanish Swede singing, according to Adam "Big Hair" Curry)
    
    	And what about that group Nitro?!?  ...and you all say Bon 
    	Jovi has big hair?!?  Ay yi yi!!!!
    
    	(8
    
    	tigga~~~~

    Nitro was PURE GARBAGE !!!!  A lame cross between early Motley Crue
    (overall feel), King Diamond (vocally) and the guitar player sounded
    like Malmsteen on speed, too *^&%$ much !!!!!  4 guitars at once,
    gimme a break, over the neck backwards with a twist .... gimme a
    case of breaks ....
    
    
    
    				Scary

    	>>Nitro was PURE GARBAGE !!!!  
    
    	Hey...I didn't say they were GOOD, I just couldn't believe
    	the size/height of his HAIR!!!
    
    	YIKES!   (8
    
    	Tigga~~~~
    

    Yo, Scary....
    
    
    Man, I mean, Nitro as a band leaves some to be desired, but man Angelo
    is so sick.....I mean, give the guy and his chops some credit.  All the
    heavies on the scene dig what Angelo can do...Vai, Malmsteen, Gilbert,
    MacAlpine....they all cite Angelo as inspiration for part of their own
    techniques.  Even some heavy guitar dudes in the Boston area who
    are on the verge of Shrapnel deals themselves dig Angelo as the
    new guitar_god_in_waiting.  Yngwie is gone, welcome Micheal Angelo
    to the throne.

    I'll give him credit like I would give credit to Vinnie Vincent.
    I mean if you're fast with NO taste, it's noise.  The guy was wicked
    fast, but I just didn't hear anything with any feeling, and YES
    you can have feeling along with lightning lix !  Malmsteen and Vai
    are prime examples .... they can burn with the best of them but
    they can make a guitar sing too.  Bottom line for me is that this
    guy just didn't show me anything new ... just more of the same thing
    faster.... maybe the album shows another side of him.
    
    
    				Scary

                
                hey, mods, ho about fixing the title of this note
                so the apostrophe is in the right place ...
                
                rob the editor/proofreader ...
                

    
        Your wish is my command (hah!!).
    
        How come I didn't see that before?  Oh well - thanks Rob.
    
                                                       GTI
    

	 Okay....I've heard this great song--they play it out here all
	 the time....and I want some more info on the group.


	 Their name is Bad English and the song is "Forget Me Not".

	 All I know about them is that they're made up of some members
	 from Journey and another group (didn't catch the name).  Two
	 of the members are John Waite and Jonathan Caine.


	 The song's wicked good....do they have an album out?  Who are
	 the other members of the group (and what's the other group
	 they're originally from)?



	 /wildkat

>	 from Journey and another group (didn't catch the name).  Two
>	 of the members are John Waite and Jonathan Caine.

I believe the 'big' names are singer John Waite (from the Babys, also had a 
big solo hit with "Missing You"), keyboardist Jonathan Cain (from the Babys 
and Journey), and guitarist Neil Schon (Journey). I don't know who makes up 
the rhythm section....

I think the album will be out shortly - you must have heard the advance single.

cat

>I think the album will be out shortly - you must have heard the advance single.

	 I've been hearing if for the last two months at least (if *I*
	 know the words, then you KNOW its been out awhile).


	 thanx, Cat.....


	 /wildkat

REPLY TO 5.
    This is true, I'm still wondering why....ANTHRAX's cover song
    "Antisocial" is more known than the original version by TRUST!!
    But who knows TRUST wrote this song ??
    But who knows TRUST anyway, except french, and maybe other europeans
    HM fans ??
    Moreover, this great band: FISC (means IRS) is even unknown in France!!
    
             Fred "RM"

    
        Hey, d'you guys know that very nice french band called LORELEI
    STARSET ?
    I really enjoyed their first demo tape called "The River By The
    Water", it's pretty good stuff....good drums, good vocals, interesting
    guitar, really.
    Does anyone knows if they got a LP out ?
    
                Fred "RM"
    

    
    Fifth Angel, I bought that album, I thought for sure I'd more about
    them - nothing.
    
    Also, Savatage is totally underated and unheard of, do these guys have
    their own file?  They should , maybe I'll start one.
    
    Kim

    
    
    	.....Ummm....(my related contribution for the day..sorta)
    	(8
    
    	Alannah Myles.  I know she's not metal, but I absolutely
    	LOVE the song "Black Velvet" and thought I would ask my
    	ever so honest and unbiased buddies in HM if they have
    	ever heard the song or the album ....
    
    	Whaddya think of it??
    
    	Tigga~~~
                       

    
        What style music is it?
         
                      Jim
    

    
    
    	Well, she's got a very raspy, bluesy (?) type sound, 
    	I guess.  I've never heard any other song by her that
    	I'm aware of but this song is AWESOME
    
    	Tigga~~~

        Absolutely a killer song, Tig!!!  I've been wondering who did
     that one.  I'd love to hear the album.  Hmmmm .... have to talk to
     Terry and see if she's got it.

        Vicki

    
    
    	Please do!!  I was going to go to Strawberries tonight but 
	ended up playing Monopoly (and losing) ...
    
    	better off...can't afford anything right now anyway. (^;
    
    	Tigga~~~
                              

	The name of the band is Idle Cure.  

	They're excellent!

	They have a couple of albums out, I just heard the 
	latest one last week...but I can't remember the name of
	it, oh well.  Anyway, they are really very good and you'd
	never know they are a Christian band - you have to listen
	very closely to the lyrics.

	lisa

        Tigga,

        Just talked to Terry and she is going to see if they have the
     tape on the shelf.  If not, she's going to order it for me.  I'll
     post something once I hear the album.  I'm psyched!!  ;^)

        Vicki

    I posted a note in Music awhile back asking about Allona (sp?)
    Miles and no one there had heard of her.  I was struck by that song
    "Black Velvet" and the real cool (down and dirty) slow groove they
    lay down.  It's got "sin" written all over it and will have to go
    down in the record books as a "good song to make love to".
    
    I think her voice is like a cross between Bonnie Raitt and Melissa
    Etheridge -- now if she's got a face and body to match, we're talking
    *major* fantasy here.
    
    joe (in that slow southern style)

    
    
    Hi Joe...
    
    	FWIW...I wouldn't mind looking like her!  I caught the
    	video on MTV a couple of times.  She reminds me alot
    	of the lead singer for Saraya.  (That's who I thought
    	originally did the song, too)
    
    	She's got jet black hair and incredible blue eyes.
    	Sighhh....maybe if I got some hair dye and some contacts...
    	....nah!!!!  (8 (8
    
    	Tigga~~~ who heard this is her debut album....

                I've heard the song `Black Velvet' and think it's
                a pretty good  bluesy tune.  Kinda' reminds me of
                the bluesy sound that  ZZ  Top  had  in  a couple
                songs on their album `Degu�llo'.  (Not that she's
                anything like ZZ Top, but the  style  and feel of
                the song.)
                
                METALord"�

	Thats Alannah Myles and she's from Toronto. Various songs
	from her solo debut have been rocking Canada's radio stations
	for some time now.

	I was sorta wondering if she'd make it to the other side of
	the border. Looks like she has..good luck!

	I bought the CD a few months back, its not heavy metal, but
	great RnB. There's at least three or four hits on the album
	and all the songs are quite listenable.

	Buy it, you'll like it.

	Charlie

    
    
    	RE: Charlie
    	
    	Thanks for the input.  I looked in a local record store
    	here in Mass. but they said, "Who?"  Sighhhh...
    
    	I'll keep looking... I've got faith in this... (8
    
    	Tigga~~~