Conference napalm::heavy_metal

Well, as great as Hendrix was, and as influential a guitar player he was,
I still wouldn't consider him Heavy Metal. That is probably why there is
no discussion of him here. Maybe a better place would be DREGS::MUSIC.

Of course, you can never predict the response in this conference. Maybe
someone else will have a differing opinion and start a discussion.

cat

    Alan is right, Jimi is not HM, by todays standards.  However, at the
    time he was alive and playing, he was considered QUITE radical and
    controversial, and was probably one of the heaviest hitters around.
    
    I'd definately consider him intricately involved in the development
    of modern HM.  Kind of along the lines of the prev discussion on
    roots of metal.
    
    I also love his playing, I can listen to it all day long, which
    is a lot more than I can say for many of the current lineup.
    
    gh 

    I agree with both of the previous replies, he wasn't HM, but he
    was intimately involved in the development of HM.  The real question
    is, "was there any such thing as Heavy Metal back in 1967?"  I don't
    think the term had even been coined.  Certainly, when compared to
    the other "heavy" bands of the day (i.e. Cream, LZ, Ten Years After,
    etc), Hendrix was every bit as heavy.
    
    joe.

    Absolutely!  If it's appropriate to have an extended discussion
    of Zep here, then Hendrix is certainly welcome!
    
    gh

>    Absolutely!  If it's appropriate to have an extended discussion
>    of Zep here, then Hendrix is certainly welcome!

Good point - OK, I'll start!

I think Hendrix was a genius! I am only a pssing Hendrix fan (not a 
fanatic) who has a couple LPs and one CD of him. But I really believe
that he was one of the greats! And his biggest asset was the diversity
of his talent. He was equally accomplished at sonic effects, acid rock,
pretty ballads, jazz, and blues. He helped (did) create the whole 
guitar-hero image. Twenty years later, people are still trying to catch 
up to him.

Favorite tune? Tough to pick, but I'd have to say the live version
of "Red House"!

cat

    I don't really know alot about Jimi Hendrix but from what I heard
    he certainly was a brilliant and gifted musican. What do people
    think of the various lineups he played with????.And here is a 
    wee question for Hendrix fans:
     >Which band does Noel Reading (the best bassist???) presently
      play for??
        
    >Fav. tracks:: Live version of GLORIA,...and live version of'Red
    HOUSE'
    
    
    

    I read in one of the Notes Conferences that Noel Redding is playing
    with some Pub band in Ireland or something, can't remember their
    name though.
    
    I don't know a lot about Jimi, but I've been into him since I was
    like 13 years old (a long time ago).  I had his "Smash Hits" album
    back in *the early* 70's and used to try to play along with it on
    my first guitar (what a joke!).
    
    What I do know is that it took him a long time to make it in the
    music industry.  He played in little combos and stuff in the early
    and mid sixties and eventually wound up playing for Little Richard
    and The Isley Brothers.  Then he moved to New York and started trying
    to put something together (he used to go into clubs in Harlem and
    ask to sit in, after awhile no one would let him, 'cuz he played
    too loud and too "freaky" for most of the established club bands;
    can you imagine him doing "Misty" or "Smoke Gets In You Eyes"???).
    
    In about '66 or so, he moved to Greenwich Village where some English
    woman named Linda ??? heard him one night in some club.  She was
    *in* with the muck-mucks in the music biz and brought some big producer
    to hear him.  The producer laughed and said, basically, that Hendrix
    sucked and would never go anywhere, but this Linda woman believed
    that Jimi was a true talent.  She went and got Chas Chandler (from
    the Animals) to go and hear Jimi at the same club.  Chas immediately
    recognized Jimi's talent (and $$-making potential, no doubt) and
    realized that he would go over real well back in the U.K.  Remember,
    the "white blues" thing of Clapton, Mayall, Beck, LZ, etc. was HUGE
    in the U.K. at the time and Jimi was essentially a blues player.
    
    Pete Townsend [The Who] was one of the first to hear Hendrix in
    London and was totally blown away (Jeff Beck, BTW, accused Hendrix
    of ripping-off The Who's thing of smashing instruments, getting
    feedback, etc.), but Townsend realized that it wasn't a rip-off
    so much as it was "a way of doing things".  Hendrix used to open
    for The Who a lot.  Clapton also heard Hendrix early-on and has
    said that Jimi's style just floored him.  Both Clapton and Townsend
    became good friends with Jimi.
    
    Townsend said that Jimi did more for rock and roll than The Beatles,
    but later qualified it by saying that The Beatles brought the art
    of songwriting to Rock, but Hendrix made the GUITAR *THE* Rock in-
    strument.  Hendrix was a sound innovator (i.e. he changed the sound
    of the guitar) and not too many of them come along too often.  The
    Who later repaid their debt to Hendrix at the Monterey Pop Festival
    where Jimi was supposed to go on before The Who.  Townsend said
    that there was no way they were gonna let Hendrix open for them
    ever again and that The Who would go on before The Experience (Hendrix'
    first band for those who don't know).  Jimi said if that was the
    case, then he was gonna "pull out all the stops" and he went on
    to SET HIS GUITAR ON FIRE.
    
    Next, Jimi's different band line-up and why...
    
    joe.

    So, now Jimi's in the UK with Chas Chandler.  He puts his first
    band together "The Experience" with Noel Redding on bass and Mitch
    Mitchell on drums.  They play the clubs, etc.  Release an album
    called "Are You Experienced?" which became an overnight smash all
    over the world.  But, the point here is that he couldn't "make it"
    in the US!!  Meanwhile, Hendrix was fu@%ed up on mega drugs most
    of the time (notably LSD, Heroin, Cocaine, and pot).  He was supposedly
    a very naive person and couldn't say no to people; consequently,
    there were always a zillion people in his apartment, at his gigs
    backstage, in his taxis and limos, etc.
    
    He comes back to the states.  Lives in Greenwich Village and starts
    up a recording studio (Electric Ladyland), but he has alienated
    his black audience.  The black radio stations wouldn't play his
    music, 'cuz it was "too white"; the white radio stations wouldn't
    play his music, 'cuz it was "too wild".  He backed up The Monkees,
    of all things, on their first world tour, but eventually left the
    tour because he just wasn't going over too well with the Monkees-
    type audiences.
    
    So, he's going through some changes and wants to get back to his
    "roots" of soul and R&B.  He forms a new band with Buddy Miles on
    drums and one of his old army buddies on bass (can't think of his
    name right now).  They do one album called "Band of Gypsies" and
    one live concert at Fillmore East.  Then I'm not sure what happened,
    but Jimi winds up back in the UK where he does a guest appearance
    with Eric Burdon and War at some club in London (? Scott ?), goes
    up to his room after the gig and dies in his sleep of suffocation.
    Apparently, he was so passed out that when he vomited he didn't
    wake up and choked to death.
    
    Jimi Hendrix was definitely ahead of his time and was a talented
    and gifted musician.  I mean he died when he was 28 years old, look
    at what he accomplished in those years!!!  He changed Rock and Roll
    forever both in terms of sound and performance.  Sure he played
    out of tune a lot, sure maybe he was just a glorified blues player,
    but if it hadn't been for him, I wonder how much longer it would've
    taken to get to where R&R and HM are today???
    
    "I'll see you in the next world, don't be late."
    
    joe.

    Great information, Joe! 
    
    Thanks!
    gh

    I think the best live song is "Band of Gypsies"
    
    
    Lynne

ROCKON::RADLER                                       37 lines  31-OCT-1988 13:58
    
           This may be of interest to some of you Hendrix lovers.
    RYKODISC has put out a great new cd of Jimi Hendrix's BBC radio
    sessions called Radio One. It is from 5 different sessions recorded
    all in 1967 (February, March, November and December). It is about
    1 hour long and contains some of his greatest recordings. Most of
    which were recorded at Saturday Club and Top Gear and one recorded
    at Alexis Korner's Rhythm and Blues Show. There are 17 songs in all.
    All the songs are around 3 minutes in length except for a few blues 
    numbers which ran around 5 minutes. 
    
           1)Stone Free (excellent version)
           2)Radio One Theme (a short fill to end a broadcast)
           3)Daytripper (The Beatles classic supposedly with John Lennon
                         helping with background vocals)
           4)Killing Floor (Howlin' Wolf's classic with Hendrix's guitar
                            brillance showing through)
           5)Love or Confusion (a rare live version)
           6)Drivin' south (an old Curtis Knight number that Jimi used
                            to play when with Curtis. This is one fine
                            number. Hendrix's leads are definitely ahead
                            of his time in this number)
           7)Catfish Blues (A Muddy Waters number with Jimi paying tribute)
           8)Wait until Tomorrow (from Axis, a great version)
           9)Hear my train a comin' (A short version)
          10)Hound Dog (a little heavier than Elvis would play it)
          11)Fire (Excellent-One of my all time favorites)
          12)Hoochie Koochie Man (a Willie Dixon number recorded on
                                  Alexis Korner's Rhythm & Blues show) 
          13)Purple Haze (Like Fire, Excellent-One of my all time favorites)
          14)Spanish Castle Magic (from Axis-nice version)
          15)Hey Joe (Billy Roberts song that become a Hendrix classic)
          16)Foxy Lady (Ditto-Fire and Purple Haze)
          17)Burning the Midnight Lamp (a great number from the import
                                        Hendrix's smash hits)
    

VICKI::SHIPPING "Remember... walking in the sand"     9 lines  31-OCT-1988 14:01
    
    Alright!  The fallen heroes live on!
    
    Move over rover!
    
    HITMAN
    

    
        Sorry, but I did a Dir/title and no note came up. Thanks for
    moving the note....
    
        After reading the Hendrix notes there are a few things that
    I would like to add.
    
        1st of all.. There was no Led Zepplin in 1966. They didn't form
    until 1969. Jimmy Page was a session musician and was member of the
    Yardbirds.  Beck And Clapton also members of the Yardbirds started
    bands The Jeff Beck Group and Clapton's Cream. The Experience and
    Cream were the heaviest bands around at the time and were heavy blues
    oriented which roots later became hard rock and heavy metal.
     
        Clapton who was considered God at the time admitted that Hendrix
    was better than him or Beck. Hendrix was playing riffs that guitarist
    play today in rock.
    
        Chas Chandler was a member of the Animals and was looking to
    promote and artist because he was getting tired of being in a band
    on the road.
    
        Mickey Dolenz of the Monkee's was so blown away by Hendrix at
    Montery that he wanted to tour with him so everyone could see his
    guitar genius. Mickey wasn't the only one who was totally blown
    away the Beatles, Cream, and as someone else mentioned Pete Townshend 
    but let's not forget the Stones.
                                    
        Hendrix's influences and especially his work with the Stratocaster
    got hard rock bands rolling. The Who got heavier. Deep Purple in
    1968 formed and Blackmore started playing a Strat and using his
    whammy bar. Led Zep in 69. Even Black Sabbath was at first a blues
    band. Even Johnny Winter who is the blues got heavier. I agree with what
    one other noter said, Hendrix made the guitar the main instrument.
    

.14�    Would anyone be interested if I typed the review in?

    Yes I would thanks. Good to hear that Rolling Stone gave it 4*'s
    One always had to be careful with Hendrix 'previously unreleased'
    type albums...I remember listening to one particular 'Italian'
    import...which sounded like Jimi knocking sh!t out of a biscuit
    tin...we had great fun burning it and listening to 'Fire'!!!
    
    - Dave K.

    Yes, please enter it.  Be sure to put the message "Reprinted without
    Permission" if permission from the publisher is not specifically
    granted.
    
    gh

    
    Whoops - forgot all about this!
    
    Okay.
    
    Typists note:  there are many words in quotes and in italics in
    this article.  For the italics, I will use the asteriks for lack
    of anything better.  Hope this doesn't look too confusing!
    
    
    
    RADIO ONE - Jimi Hendrix Experience (Rykodisc)
    
    **** - four stars (excellent)
    
    
    The changes Jimi Hendrix wrought on rock & roll and its primary
    instrument, the electric guitar, were so cataclysmic that it is
    hard to imagine what it was like to be there as they happened. 
    When Hendrix torched his Strat at Monterey in June 1967, his futuristic
    vision of the blues was already at a highly advanced stage.  But
    the six months on either side of Monterey were periods of accelerated
    evolution for Hendrix, too profound to be digested fully amid the
    chaos of instant fame and too rapid to be captured in full on either
    *Are You Experienced?* or its immediate successor, *Axis:  Bold
    as Love.*
    
    Thus *Radio One* is a godsend.  It is a compilation of seventeen
    "live" studio workouts by the original Experience (with Noel Redding
    on basds and Mitch Mitchell on drums).  These previously unissued
    blasts of prime Hendrixiana were originally taped between February
    and December of 1967 for broadcast by BBC Radio in England.  You
    can ride shotgun with Hendrix as he rockets into inner space with
    "Stone Free", roughs up the Beatles' "Day Tripper" with acid-gangster
    guitar and wades into the primordial blues ooze of "Hoochie Koochie
    Man".  *Experienced* and *Axis* were definitive statements of intention
    and accomplishment, Monterey the formal announcement of his arrival.
    But *Radio One* is essential Hendrix because it reveals the development
    of his art at its earliest and, in some ways, most crucial junctures.
    
    "Love or Confusion," "Fire" and "Foxy Lady" are worth the price
    of admission alone.  These versions document with graphic force
    and zero studio garnish the turmoil and passion that fueled Hendrix's
    technique.
    
    By the fall of '67, Hendrix was already tempering his freak-beat
    impulses with a more soulful warmth and lyric openness; that change
    is heard to wonderful effect in the *Radio One* takes of *Axis's*
    "Spanish Castle Magic" and "Wait Until Tomorrow", a great R&B thumper
    that never got hte stage workout it deserved.  "Burning of the Midnight
    Lamp", one of Hendrix's most haunting ballads, seems naked in
    comparison with the cathedrallike grandeur of its *Electric Ladyland*
    reading - and its just as potent for it.
    
    Of course, it was all rooted in the blues.  Hendrix bows to his
    elders with a supersonic rip through Howlin' Wolf's "Killing Floor"
    and Willie Dixon's "Hoochie Koochie Man".  In the end, though, it
    was rooted in *his* blues.  You can hear that all too clearly in
    Hendrix's own eerily prophetic lament "Hear My Train A Comin'".
    
    Indeed, *Radio One* is probably the closest the tape machines came
    to recording the private, searching Hendrix during that roller-coaster
    yar.  From the euphoric frenzy of "Purple Haze" and the comic
    excitement of "Hound Dog" to the dark shiver of "Hear My Train A
    Comin'", this is the sound of Hendrix reinventing rock & roll, almost
    day by day, in his own image.  It is also the sound of Hendrix coping
    with the pressure and pain that were part of his reward.  There's
    no other experience on record like it.

    
    Oh oh..
    
    The latter article was printed without permission from the Rolling
    Stone magazine, Issue 546,  February 23rd, 1989.

    I also read in RS recently, that the curator of the Hendrix archives
    (forget the guy's name, but he live next door to Jimi in the UK)
    has over 1000 hours of material that he will be releasing slowly
    as time goes on.  He's only gonna release interesting new stuff
    that is good quality.  That's good, in my opinion, 'cuz we don't
    need more re-released material that everybody's already heard a
    zillion times.
    
    joe.

    
    Five album box set, due out in November: 
    
    JIMI HENDRIX - Live and Unreleased.
    
    Flip

>    Five album box set, due out in November: 
>    
>    JIMI HENDRIX - Live and Unreleased.
    
    Will they change the title after it's released?
    
    Mike

    is there a recording of the star spangled banner, somewhere,
    on what tape?
    
    Tony
    

    
    Tony, 
       Yeah, there's definitely a recording of it. Think it's on "The
    Essential Jimi Hendrix, Volume 1". Gotta check that tape when I
    get home. Been a while since I listened to it anyways...
    Spaceknight
    

    Is it on Essential Volume 2??? I think it is. I'll have to check
    my dusty record collection.
    
    /Motorbreath

>    is there a recording of the star spangled banner, somewhere,
>    on what tape?

It is originally on the Soundtrack to 'Woodstock'. As mentioned by others, it 
may also be on one of his collections. The soundtrack from Woodstock is a good 
album, for those who like the music of that era.....

alan

    thanks, re:a couple, i'll check them out,
    
    Tony
    

    
    
        Jimi died on Sept 18, 1970. The day Yngwie J. started to play.
    
    							R.C.
    
    

    re: -2
    
    That's not very effective recycling .... 
    
    Scary ...
    
    re: -1   Cool pn Cookster !    8^)

    
    Joe Satrianni started playing after Jimi's death in 1970 also.
    
    So-Hong

Article 954 of clari.news.music:
From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: clari.news.law.investigation,clari.news.music
Subject: Report Hendrix death probe to reopen
Date: 8 Sep 91 21:01:27 GMT
Priority: regular


	LONDON (UPI) -- A newspaper reported Sunday authorities will reopen
their investigation into the death of rock legend Jimi Hendrix 21 years
ago, but Scotland Yard said it had not yet received a coroner's written
request in the case.
	The trailblazing guitarist, who soared to fame with his '60s group
The Jimi Hendrix Experience, died in London on Sept. 18, 1970, at age
27, choked on his own vomit after taking sleeping pills and alcohol. A
coroner's inquest recorded an open verdict.
	Two women who knew Hendrix told the News of the World Sunday that
Hendrix's girlfriend, Monika Dannemann, delayed calling an ambulance for
the ailing musician, instead calling first to singer Eric Burdon, a
member of the Animals rock group who was influential in launching
Hendrix's career. Dannemann denied the delay, the report said.
	Kathy Etchingham, one of Hendrix's lovers, and Dee Mitchell, who is
married to Experience drummer Mitch Mitchell, said their efforts had led
the coroner, Dr. Paul Knapman, to ask Scotland Yard to reopen the case
on Monday.
	Knapman could not be reached for comment, but Scotland Yard said it
had no written authorization as of Sunday.
	``This is apparently based on a note from the coroner's office, but
we have no knowledge of this letter,'' a spokesman said. ``We will
advise you tomorrow (Monday) or whenever we get it.''
	Hendrix is credited with creating some of the greatest music of the
rock era with songs like ``Voodoo Chile'' and ``Purple Haze'' as well as
raising standards of guitar playing and production to still-unrivaled
heights. As the legend grew of the African-American and Cherokee Indian
musician from Seattle, so did the questions about the circumstances
surrounding his death.
	Allegations also have arisen that Hendrix was still alive when an
ambulance took him to the hospital, with Experience bassist Noel Redding
writing in his recent book that the star died at the hospital, not at
Dannemann's apartment where he got sick.
	But Etchingham, 45, and Mitchell, 39, said the two ambulancemen told
them Hendrix was dead when they arrived at the apartment in London's
Westminster section.
	``We just want to establish the truth,'' Etchingham said, adding she
still grieves for the musician.
	``Jimi was an important part of my life. There has never been a
guitarist like him,'' she said. ``He could still be alive today. He
could be married with kids. He could have made some money and had a
comfortable life. But he didn't get a chance. That's what rankles.''
	Dannemann, who also has said Hendrix was still alive then he was
taken from her flat, told the newspaper she would welcome a new
investigation. ``It's really great. I always thought the police could
have looked at it better,'' she said.
	Etchingham and Mitchell said the new probe would focus on the alleged
delay in calling an ambulance. They showed Coroner's Court papers
granting Etchingham access in June to official reports of the tragedy.
	An inquest 10 days after Hendrix died ended with then-coroner Gavin
Thurston recording an open verdict. Near where Hendrix had lain, nine
sleeping pills powerful enough for two doses per tablet were missing
from a bottle, the report said. Alcohol also was found in his system.

    
    ya beat me to it by seconds...

    
	Yea, it did all begin in Seattle so there!
    	
	Some big weed V.P. from Warner Bros. recently sent some 420+ 
	recordings from word wide sources some of which are rare, boots, 
	or obscure pressings as well as reel-to-reel tapes to a Rock and 
	Roll Hall of Fame official.

	Are they ever going to open/build that place?  I recall the 
	same person who built the eye-sore, I mean Boston City Hall 
	as being involved but hopefully I'm wrong.  Not that I'm 
	thinking of moving to the mid-west.

	- Jim

    Does anybody in Seattle know *anything* about a proposed Hendrix (1st
    annual) Exhibition or fan-fair or the like?While attending GREEDSTOCK
    this summer,Santana brought this lady on stage and intro'd her as
    JIMI's step-sister.She went on to say that there would be huge festival
    this summer in seattle,hosted be the family(?) to try and raise $ to
    get the Hendrix estate back into the Hendrix family.I would love to go
    being the Hendrix Fan-atic that i am,and would like to know if anybody
    has heard anything pertaining to it.
    
    Also,I'm looking for some people to do a tape trading thing with.Hard
    to find stuff,LP boots ,video ect..(did i say this already??)
    Anyways,any interested parties welcome.Mail me at above address.
    
    -kev

    That was his daughter.....But No I dont know when it is.....
    SueJ

    Hendrix didn't have a daughter.He has an alleged son,one James
    Sundquest,AKA Jimi jr.He is the product of a relationship that Jimi had
    with Eva Sundquest while Jimi spent time in Sweden in 1968.She never
    told Jimi sr. about his son and raised him on welfare and mothers
    allowence and such.He grew up very poor.Recently a court(i forget which
    one) ruled that he was *indeed* Hendrix's son-and if you ever seen this
    guy you'd be swayed to believe it.He's pretty much identical.If you
    watch much MTV (and if you even interested) keep an eye out for a band
    called BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE,Jimi jr. appears in thier video-If 60's were
    90's-a sampled concoction of dance music and Hendrix samples, on the
    theme of If 6 was 9.....go figure.
    Anyways,sorry for rambling.still after that Seattle info.
    
    -kev

    
    WELL_ I guess that my brain cell was still missing at that point...

    
    	Before you DO get that other brain cell back, maybe I should
    	ask you if you'll go out with me.
    
    	8^)
    

    I know what you mean

    New Hendrix Cd to be released in May (11th?).  VOODOO SOUP
    MCA release - Alan (the shite-head) Douglas produced. I wonder what
    he's up to this time??...
    
    -kev

    ..hey kev....for future ref....there's only 1 'O' in loser....;')

    Not if you want it to sound like "Loooooooser"

    I Read that"Shite_fer_Head"added Additional Musicians on many tracks
    because the beat was lost on A_Few Songs.
    That Might be true....But can't this Guy Ever Leave any of Hendrixs'
    Stuff Alone??!!!   How'd he Inherit it Any_Ways??
    
    
        Crazy_I'd_Like_To_Hear_The_Flaws_Al

    You are correct mr Crazy Al.Two LPs in '75 and '76.Crash landing and
    Midnight Lightning.Both had Jimi's original Musicians wiped and
    replaced with SH!TE sounding studio kats.From what i hear (and have
    heard),this original backing track sound 100% better than Douglas'
    F$@# up's.Still, to an avid collector and lover of hendrix like myself,
    I just try and appreciate that at least we get to hear what he was into
    and thinking at the time.
    
    -kev

    Sept. 18th...Jimi's been gone 25 years ago today. I wonder what the
    world of rock music would have been like with out his influence....
    
    -kev
    

    We All Know kev-
    
     He Seemed to be Headed to A_More_Jazz_Kindda_Sound.
     If he did...I Might have Started Givin Jazz(Free_Form_Style)A_Listen.
      Not That I Haven't....But I Can't relate to Any of The Jazz_People
       Out_There.
        ANy_Who....May Jimi be Being Blessed By_His_God Now and know that
         We All Miss Him.If Those Para_Medics Wouldda Sat Him_Up and
    Cleaned
           his Throat_Out or Pumped his Stomach.....  He Might'd have 
            A_New Look_Out on His Life..   
    
              Crazy_And_All_Music_Listeners_Would_Have_Learned_More_Al
    

    
    	Am_I_the_only_one_who_can't_stand_all_of_Al's_underscores_?