Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    With a "pen name" of Mr Scary II, you probably guessed that I'm
    a Lynch fan.  I'm not a big fan of Don's voice BUT that is 1/4 of
    the DOKKEN sound ! Fave cuts include Mr Scary, Alone Again, Heaven
    Comes Down, Behind The Wall, Unchain The Night, and more ....
    
    
    				Mr Scary II

    
    Anybody heard of ANTIX ???
    
    Reason why I asked is that I have an album of theirs which was produced
    by conDON DOKKEN.
          
    -Tony

    
    I think Lynch is truely an original guitarists with a great signature
    sound and fresh ideas, but I HATE Dokken!
    
    I hope the rumors are true that DOkken is calling it quits after
    the MOR tour and their double live lp marks their career end as
    Dokken (as we know it).
    
    I even heard Lynch and Don are battling it out in court on the right
    for Lynch to keep the name Dokken for his new band, even though
    Don D himself won't be a part of it.
    
    I say "Yey!"
    
    Lynch needs to find himself a REAL band.  I have seen Dokken several
    times and always felt that they never came off as a cohesive act...
    they all seemed in thier own worlds/ego trips.  Also, I never thought
    they were very professional (Don had a lot to do with this, a poor
    frontman from the word go) and never had any doubt in my mind as
    to why they were not headliners after 4 albums.  Pilson is the only
    other Dokken member I'd consider `worth saving'.
    
    
    as always, MO people.
    
    Buck

    I love Dokken!  Lynch is a great player, although with "Back for
    the Attack" his licks seem to be getting a little repetative.  I
    still like 'em though.  I don't mind DDs voice, seems pretty good
    for what they do.
    
    I saw them back in '84 or '85 opening for Triumph.  Great show!
    I was just sorry we missed the first 1/2 of Dokkens show.  Still
    made if for Lynchs solo though, there ARE priorities in life...
      
    My first one was "Breaking the Chains" and I've been a fan ever
    since.
    
    gh

Don Dokken has one of the best voices in Metal.  I think people who disagree
are probably into thrash/speed/trash and can't appreciate hearing/understanding
the lyrics.  He's dynamic, got a good range and can hold a tune.  If George
goes off to another band, I'll give Don a call and get him in 2EZ ! ;^) 

I REALLY like Lynch Pilson and Brown too.  Lynch is one of my fav axe men.
BUT, if he thinks he'd be anywhere without Don, he's outta his mind...

Sorry.
 

    
    Really JC???
    
    Hmm, I respect your opinoin, but it blew my mind to think you think
    he's (Don D) that good??!!
    
    Did you ever hear the Stars song by Hear n Aid?? i thought Don was
    one of the weakest, if not the weakest voice on the cut.  Maybe
    it was just the session though, cuz i though tate and some of the
    guits didn't sound that great either.
    
    MO

    
    Just to put myself right, the video UNchain The night has seven
    tracks not six ( shows the last time i watched it).
      
       The tracks are :
                         Into The Fire
                         Just Got Lucky
                         Breaking The Chains
                         Alone Again
                         The Hunter
                         It's Not Love
                         ??????           - Can anyone refresh my blank
                                           memory as to the seventh
                                           track before i go home and
                                           look it up. I know it's off
                                           Under Lock And Key.!
    
       I must admit thinking back to DOKKEN's performance Don didn't
    do much on stage but then they were new to me and i have to say
    that the music was so appealing that i didn't take a lot of notice
    about stage presence. I think they supported Twisted Sister or Accept
    but i cannot remember without looking at the ticket ( Twisted Sister
    probably).
                  
    Prince Of The Dawn.

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    Dokken - home video I dunno how much $$
    
    It's funny, and the music video is first rate...
    
    It's got:
    
    Breakin' The Chains
    Into The Fire
    Alone Again
    Just Got Lucky
    The Hunter
    It's Not Love
    In My Dreams
    
    You gotta see the funny that Lynch (guitar hero extraordinair!)
    does with his Kramer gig-bag. "The Guitar Buddy Throw-and Go Heavy Metal
    Guitar Trainer" (complete with whammy-neck).
    
    It's killer.
    Jeff
    I think thats it.

RE: .6 

Are you yankin my chain ?  Hearin' Aid ?

I think that Geoff Tate is good too... I don't think that Rob Halford can
*sing* worth a damn, but he's got a great voice.  I think Don Dokkin has
a great voice, and is good too.

I saw Dokken warm up for Lover Boy (Agagagagagagaaaaaa) at Great Woods a
couple of years back.  I thought they came off pretty good, but I was
enthralled by George at the time.

George is a wild man on stage...Spends lots of time with his foot up on
the monitors bangin' heads with the crowd.  Pilson runs around a lot; like
someone is chasing him.  Obviously, they blew Lover Boy Into The Fire !
jc

    
    
    	I can't really remember what got me to like Dokken so much,
    	but I have got Tooth and Nail (play it constantly) and 
    	Back for the Attack.  
    
    	I find Tooth and Nail to be much, much better...I've yet
    	to see them in concert, but when I do I'm sure it'll be
    	enjoyable!!
    
  	By everyone's comments, I think I'm going to go out and
    	get Breaking the Chains, too!!
    
    	/tig!
    

    
    Yo Coop,
    
    I was at that show...Loverboy...Aack!
    
    

    I was there, too.  I couldn't believe that Dokken was opening for
    Loverboy.  They were so lousy.  Big sound, but still really bad.
    
    I like Dokken a lot, too.  I don't, however, think Don Dokken is
    too great.  His voice is different and recognizable, but still merely
    adequate.  George is the driving force behind the band, all the
    way.
    
    I like all of their albums, but Under Lock And Key takes the cake.
    I love all the songs.
    
    Stacie

    I also was at the Loverboy/Dokken show! 
    And in defense of Loverboy, I happen to like them! (Guilty pleasures!)
    
    As far as Dokken live goes, I have seen them three times. First
    with Loverboy, I thought they were OK. Second opening for Priest
    at the Centrum, I thought they were great! Third at MOR, I thought
    they sucked. 
    
    But as far as the albums go, the firs two are killer! I think it
    goes downhill from there, but the later ones are still OK, just
    not breaking new ground.
    
    cat

    re:15
     I'll take GNR over DOKKEN anytime!
    

    
    RE: .17
    
    Never!!!
    A hahahahahaha

    Comparing Guns and Noses with Dokken is like comparing apples to
    watermelons.  Dokken is smooth lyrics and blazing fret work - G
    & R is raw party music -  and never the twain shall meet !
    
    
    				Mr Scary II

    
        RE: Jerry White
    
            Exactly.  They're both VERY different, but I happen to
            like them both (for different reasons).
    
            Ax(e?)l Rose has a GOOD voice, but not great - he also has
            a good scream.  Don D. has a GREAT voice and an OK scream.
    
                                                         Shawn GTI
    

    re: .16 AAAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!
    
    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
    
    
    SET MODE/GH
    
    re: .11  Good choice, Tig, Breaking the Chains is one of my fav
    albums.  I liked Tooth and Nail better.  Under Lock and Key is very
    good too.
      
    gh

    I'm not comparing the two i just like GNR better
    than DOKKEN,
    
    Tony
    

    
    
    I used to like Dokken but on the new album did ya ever notice that
    all the lyrics are about women.  Now dont get me wrong I love ballads
    too but a whole album can get sickening(except Mr Sc.).  
    
    As far as writing goes Dokken as a whole is weak.  I dont know who
    does the writing(Don I think) but whoever it is has a one(very narrow)
    track mind.  I think Don has an ego big enough to fill Sullivan
    Stad.
    
    George is a GREAT git player but his stuff is getting
    redundant(although its still mind numbbing when he kicks in the
    speed).  He needs a new band.
    
    Jeff..well what can you say about him.  More of a poser than a bassist.
    He jumps around so much that he rarely plays a note.
    
    Mick isnt a great drummer but he is the solid foundation every band
    needs.  And he has a great sense of humor.
    
    I saw them at the MOR in Foxboro and they stunk.  What really was
    a p*sser is that for Georges whole solo was for the camera and not
    the fans.  He sat there and did nothing but pose.  And his solo
    was severly lacking.....I dont know, but I do know I wasnt impressed.
    
    nuff said
    
    Bk
    

    For the record, I think Jeff Pilson is a complete poser.  He's
    kind of like Don Dokken, adequate, kind of stiff and unnatural.
                
    I can't stand his geeky faces!!
    
    What a complete goonbag!
    
    Stacie

    Lynch needs some new canvas to paint on.  Pilson wants to be a poser
    SO bad, it hurts, look at his face, the boy IS in pain !!  Don's
    lost it, or never really had a good grip.  I still LOVE everything
    they've done to date, don't get me wrong - it's just time for some
    fresh air.
    
    
    
    				Mr Scary II

    
    Yo Cook_the_mouth, if you're gonna slag off whitesnake, UNPROVOKED,
    spell the fu*kin' name right bud.

    
        Ahem, boys - be nice!!
    
                                                       Shawn GTI
    

    
    
    re .24   AMEN!!!!
    
    re .26   Whitesnake does have a lot of love songs but the lyrics
    arent as mushy and not all of thier songs are about love, some are
    about good ole fashion SEX.  You think Bad Boys(to name one) is
    a love song???  And some of the older stuff like SLide it in aint
    bout love.
    
    		Besides Dokken's love songs are all about a lost love
    whitesnakes' arent all about lost love.
    
    	Bk
    
    

    Caught Dokken at MOR in Denver this weekend, They bit the big green
    one. Lynch never moved, and Don just stood there like he was glued
    to the floor. The sound was real sh*tty, and whoever ran the mixer
    forgot that Lynch was even there. At the end of their setwe cheered
    that they were leaving.
    
    
    the devil dog who likes Dokken's albums but didn't like them live.

    
    re .31  Exactly.  Their albums are good as far as sound quailty
    and mixing goes but at MOR the mix was awful.  And..get this...
    George forgot how a song went.  Him and Jeff had a powwow in the
    middle of the stage during the song.  Jeff had to show him how it
    went then from there it all came back but boyohboy was that a riot.
    The poeple who sat near me almost died of laughter.
    
    Bk
    

                                DOKKEN
                          BACK FROM THE EAST

              SIDE ONE                       SIDE TWO
              --------                       --------
	1. Unchain the Night		1. Heaven Sent
	2. Tooth and Nail		2. It's Not Love
	3. Standing in the Shadows	3. Alone Again
	4. Sleepless Nights		4. Just Got Lucky
	5. Dream Warriors		5. Breaking the Chains
	6. Kiss of Death		6. In My Dreams
	7. When Heaven Comes Down	7. Turn on the Action
	8. Into the Fire		8. Walk Away (studio)
	9. Mr. Scary			

Well, I got a copy of the new Dokken cassette yesterday (sometimes its
nice to know the bands!), and checked it out last night. Overall, I was
disappointed but not suprised. Basically, this is a greatest hits album.
All the songs are pretty much the same as the album versions, without
much variation at all. I was suprised at the recording quality - for a 
live album, it sounds real good (unlike what the band sounds like live).
But its not very adventurous at all....

Favorites - "Just Got Lucky" has a ripping guitar solo from George,
            nice and short but well done. Also, "Breaking the Chains"
            kicks some butt, as do some other songs.

Most Disappointing - "Mr. Scary" (with apologies to Mr. Scary II!). I guess
                     I keep expecting more from Lynch. This is god, but I
                     always thought he was better than his solos showed.
                     Maybe not.

Also - confirmed that the band is breaking up, and Lynch Mob is being
       formed with Pillson singing.

cat

>    Lynch Mob? I love it! Who else is in the band?  (waste Pillson!)

Basically, it is Dokken without Don Dokken. Mick Brown on drums, Jeff
Pilson on bass, and George Lynch on guitar. 

cat

    None of this surprises me much.  My opinion is that Don D is in a world
    of his own. 
    
    I rather expected a 'greatest hits' live album.  Actually, Alan, when I
    saw them at MOR in Denver, they *sounded* quite good, but it was like
    they were all playing in different rooms. 
    
    I would imagine that "Mr. Scary" will never sound right live.  The
    original has about a million overdubs, fade ins and outs.  I can't even
    imagine *anyone* playing it exactly in a live situation (without at
    least two, maybe three guitar players...). 
    
    gh
                                              

>                          -< But, did you *like* it? >-

Well, yeah, I did like it.....I just wish they had taken advantage of
the situation (knowing that it would be their last album) and done
some experimenting, or had some fun, or something! But thit does make
a nice package, where I can have all their best songs on one tape.

BTW, "In My Dreams" sounds real good on the tape. I wonder how much
overdubbing they did in the studio on this album?

"Walk Away" will be the single off the album. It is the obligatory 
studio song, and is a "power ballad" in the same vein as "Alone Again".

cat

    Greg,
    
    Ya ought to check out Scary II on Mr. Scary.
    
    He decided that we were gonna call him that, he'd better learn it.
    I put my guitar down when he does that.
    
    jc
    

    re: Coop
    
    I'm game! (No! Don't shoot!)  How can we arrange this?
    
    gh

    Just read that Dokken is "Alive and Well"...
    
    There is supposedly no truth to the rumors of The Lynch Mob, and
    Don's solo work.
    
    I got this info from the January 1989 Hit Parader and an interview
    with Mr. Scary himself.  I must admit, that being the Dokken fan
    that I am, I'm happy to hear it.
    
    Also, Unleashed From The East is the GNADS !
    
    jc

    BTW - In case anyone cares, Lynch uses Tortex shark fins.  Sheesh!

    He musta seen me using em !!!!

    jc

    That's odd, he used to use a little round washer.
    
    gh

    Well, there is a real recent pic in that rag that has him using
    them...Plus they are taped all over the bottom of the ax !
    jc 

    Did they start making those again?  I believe they stopped a few
    years back and people were buying up all they could get from stores
    that still had them.
    
    gh

    What ?  Shark fins ?  Yeah DUNLOP makes 'em.  They are tuff to find
    though, I had a guy order me 200 of them.  They ought to last...
    
    jc

    I heard almost from the horses mouth these `rumors' were true. 
    Welcome Lynch Mob, bye bye Dokken!

    What does almost the horses mouth mean ?
    
    This is strange...I wish I knew who to beleive !
    
    This article said that the only time he considered leaving Dokken
    was when he almost went to play for Ozzy back in '82. But Ozzy wanted
    someone with longer hair.  Strange...
    
    jc

    Yep, I agree (whoa!) with ya Pete.
    
    Seems that Ozzy gave him a three-four week tryout, and told him
    he had the job only to hire someone else...  If I were George, I'da
    been pissed off !
    jc

    Recorded 'Beast From The East' last night what an album to finish
    on !! 'Mr. Scary' is well smart, helluva Guitar solo before it.
    
    It's a cryin' shame that the band is all but split, cos' the extra
    studio track 'Walk Away' is excellent. All personality gripes aside
    this one new track they have left us with, promises so much that
    could have been with the next album..............sigh
    
    Prince Of The Dawn.

    
    	I heard George was denying rumors of a break up.
    
    Bk
    

    As i said before if 'Walk Away' is anything to go by then they'd
    be bloody silly to split now.
    
    Prince Of The Dawn.

    
    My record rep's have all been solicited for promo's from the Lynch
    Mob, so YOU figure it out!
    
    Buck

    Could it just be a solo project ?
    
    As in addition to Dokken, cuz Hit Parader sez....
    
    

    Yo Buck,
    
    I guess with this ongoing soap opera about the split, i'll just
    carry on enjoying what they have released so far and wait and see.
    I have read too many articles in Metal Hammer and Kerrang pulling
    the ongoing break up this way and that, it does get a little too
    much after the first million stories.
    
    Prince Of The Dawn.

    Hey guys,
    
    	This alleged break up sounds like a brilliant marketing scheme
    to me.  Rumor of break up sends Dokken sales up.  If Lynch Mob is
    done as a solo project, sales to those who don't like D. Dokken.
    	
    	Yea, that's it....cover all the bases....run like hell to the 
    bank... ;^)
    
    	Noticed in their home video on "The Hunter" an interesting
    reference to the PMRC.  PMRC was painted on the side of the shack
    one of the guys escaped from.  Interesting touch, I thought!
    
    	Vicki

    Nice one Vicki i hadn't looked at this scam from that angle.
    
    'The Hunter'  my favourite kick ass track from 'Unchain The Night'.
    
    Prince OF The Dawn.

    Well, I finally bought Beast from the East.
    
    I've never owned a Dokken album previously, so I can't say whether
    they've gone down hill or not, but after about 250 listens,
    I LIKE THIS ALBUM.
    The band sounds real tight on the album, Dokken's voice sounds
    fine to me, and Lynch kicks ass on guitar.
    
    Fave tunes - Tooth and Nail, Into the Fire, Just got Lucky.
    
    All in all a very good album I think. I gather this is a "greatest
    hits" song selection, so I doubt I'll be buying another DOkken
    album.
    
    A couple other things though... I'm not as impressed as I thought
    I'd be with Lynch, and Mr. Scary live is good, but is basically
    (to me) just "another guitar solo" that could probably be pulled
    off by a LOT of guitarists out there. I'll have to check out the
    studio version I guess.
    
    Wasn't Don Dokken the lead guitarist for this band before anyway?
    I heard he's not too bad himself.
    
    /Motorbreath

    
    	Don aint bad but he was a R git..and not lead... I think.
    
    Bk
    

    
    Back when Don D. played guitar, he played rhythm and george did all the
    leads, always.
    
    FYI, George himself has said (once again) in this months interview in
    Guitar (- FTPM) that he isno longer with Don Dokken, that he always
    hated his ideas, and that him and Mick Brown have started a new band. 
    
    So all you out there that still think Dokken is a band, get real.

    
    	Re Buck
    
    	I read that too.... He was talking with Vito B from White Lion
    right?  I didn't read that he started a BAND with Mick.. I do remember
    him saying that him and Mick had been together for a long time though..
    
    	Have you heard anything about his or don's new lineup?
    
    BK
    

    Wow... Bummer...
    
    I hate to say it cuz I think Lynch is great, but he's no-place without
    Don... (IMHO).  Like someone else said (Motor?) he's just another
    guitar solo (especially lately).  
    
    I always got the impression that Don was restraining Lynch (Read:
    holding him back) but that is what made Dokken good.  Ya can't write
    a love song and have Mr. Scary shredding it with riffffssssss...
    
    I think Dokkens last studio effort was too much Mr. Scary, and not
    enough of the classic Dokken lines from Under Lock And Key and Tooth
    And Nail.  It's kinda like Scary said "I quit unless ya gimme an
    album I can shred on !
    
    jc (Always a Dokken fan)
    

    re .63
    
    I read somewhere that Don Dokken has been auditioning several
    guitarists for his new band which is just "supposedly" going to
    be called "Don Dokken" so as not to confuse with Dokken efforts.
    When I read this article it said that he is seriously considering
    ex-Europe guitarist John Norum.  That sounds great to me.  Imagine
    Don's throat accompanied by Norum!  I know a lot of people think
    that "Final Countdown" was Europe's first LP, but au contraire,
    it was "Wings of Tomorrow" (actually it was the second but the first
    is only available in Sweden).  I also know there's been a conflict
    over Europe even being HM, but "Wings of Tomorrow" should definitely
    be considered as HM.  As for their most recent albums it's kind
    of iffy.  "Wings of Tomorrow" is rokken without all the synthesizers
    that are on the two most recent albums.
    
    Rock Brigader      

    
    I read an article in an old metal hammer that DD and John Norum
    were teaming up.  This will be good for the both of them coz John 
    Norum is a great guit player but he can't write for toffee (Just 
    listen to his album "Total Control - a real dissapointment), and 
    although I loathe Don Dokkens voice they would be a good combo.
                                        
    -Tony

    What was the hollow-body guit (ancient and beat-up) that George
    was holding in one of the pix in the Guitar (FTPM) article??
    I wouldn't normally associate him with such an instrument.
    
    joe.

    
    	I like don's voice but I cant stand the lyrics.  They're all
    about Don's lost love or Don's woman this or Don's woman that...
    know what I mean.... I cant think of one tune that isnt involving
    a woman...besides MR Scary..but I'm talking lyrics.  Maybe on the
    first album..Breaking the chains...but I'm not sure.
    
    BK
    

    
    George was basically saying that Don liked to rule the band, and often
    his ideas he forced on everyone just wasn't `him', and he often felt
    like he was putting on an act.  George also said that several of Don's
    "bright ideas" actually hurt Dokken's career in the long run.  An
    example Lynch cited was on Under Lock and Key, Don Dokken contracted a
    designer to make `glam' outfits for everyone for the cover photos.
    George said it cost them a $1000. a piece for the outfits, and from
    then on the band was pegged as a `poseur' band by metal fans.  Being
    stereotyped along with bands like Motley and Poison wasn't comfortable
    with Lynch and wasn't a mold he wanted to work in. 
    
    In retrospect to that, I don't think its a case of Don D. holding Lynch
    back for the better, unless of course you think that Don's sappy pop
    music is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
    
    Buck 
    
    

    
    	Re Joe... I thought it was his 69 flame topped Les Paul he's
    talked about... is that the pic you're talking about?
    
    BK
    

    re: .70 BK
    
    That's not the one Joes referring to.  There's a picture of Lynch in
    that interview with him holding some old beater acoustic(?). It's a
    real ugly white color and all beat up.  I don't know what it is, but to
    me it looks like an El Cheapo. 
      
    re: Motorbreath
    
    Funny that your fav songs on that live one were all from the album
    "Tooth and Nail" which is my fav of the Dokken albums.  That would be
    the first studio effort of theirs I'd recommend checkin out. Back for
    the Attack (the one with Mr. Scary) was kind of disappointing for me.
    While still a good album, I didn't like it nearly as much as any of the
    other albums. 
    
    re: Don Dokken
    
    I ALWAYS thought his lyrics were bubble gum.  Sugery tooth rot designed
    to appeal to pubecent teenie-boppers.  Lynchs guitar work held the
    songs together for me.   
    
    gh

    "Back For The Attack" to me was George's attempt to compete with
    the multitudes of speed demons out there now.  I liked it at first,
    but it got old quick.  I think it IS time for a shake-up in that
    band.  I saw the video for "Walk Away" last week and it was rather
    limp, SET MODE/NON_SCARY. Time will tell ....
    
    
    				Scary 
    

    Yeah, I saw that video last night on the HBB and it was definately
    weak.  Why on earth would Don do that to his hair?  Uck!
    
    ...and Lynch was playing that old hunk o' junk guitar that Joe M.
    mentioned from that photo in Guitar a lot of the time.  
    
    gh

    I Heard Some Rumors That The Beast From The East Was Dokkens Last
    Album Together! They Say That Don Is Going To From A New Band. And
    The George Is Going Start A New One As Well. Does Anybody Know Of
    This?

    The last I heard was that Jeff Pilson was gonna be doing vocals
    with the band that Lynchy boy was gettin together. I ain't heard
    nothin about Don Dokken get anything going as yet.
    
    Bonzo.
    

    
    
    In my opinion Jeff has by far much better vocals Than Don....!
    
    
    
    General Tama

    My SO is good friends with Tommy MacLendon (AKA Atomik Tommy M formerly
    of UFO).  He was telling me the other day that he has been jamming
    with Don Dokken on vocals, the bass player from Great White, the
    drummer from Y&T (I forgot to ask if it was the old guy or the new
    guy, but I'd recognize the name if you mentioned it).  He says
    he doesn't know if the project is going to go anywhere, right now
    it's just a jam, but that DD is looking to get *something* together,
    and that the rumors you heard about Lynch/Pilson are true.
    
    Dilly

    
    	Hasnt this already been noted....?
    
    BK
    

    Re-1
    
    Probably.  Don't mind me low brain cell count again.
    Yeah I can say redundant.  Ree--dunnn-dennntt.
    
    Sorry dudes.
    
    Dilly_who_nobody_ever_called_"That_girl_with_the_brains."

    Redundant?  I hadn't heard anything about DDs new (potential) projects
    and found it interesting.  Of course everyones heard that Dokkens
    broken up, but not a lot about what they're all doing now.
    
    Can I presume that Mick Brown will continue to play with Lynch?
    In the interview in the recent Guitar (ftpm), George said that he
    and Mick had been playing together a long time before Dokken (the
    band) was formed.
    
    gh 

    I just heard a rumour when I was at the local Git Store at lunch
    time, that Dokken were supposedly going to be touring again this
    year. This probably is b*llsh*t, but if it ain't......
    
    
    Bonzo.

    
    	Don Dokkens new band will be called Don Dokken... so it wont
    be confused with earlier efforts..(READ his EGO is growing..)
    
    BK
    

    I get so d*mned tired of hearing all this breakup gossip. I missed
    MOR, but if they stunk that bad, don't listen! I'll believe in The
    Lynch Mob or Don's new project when I see an album.
    
    
     Nemesis

    
    	I saw Dokken at the MOR in Maine. They sounded awful...and when
    that's one of the bands you're there to see, it's kinda hard not
    to listen...
    	Friends who saw the Mass and Denver shows ditto the sound. If
    Don and George can't get along, let 'em split. Hey, I like Dokken,
    but if they are having huge EGO probs...in Maine, George was Pi$$ed
    off about something (probably his sound), and stood in the back.
    Sure, it was raining and the crowd was bummed, and Don did his best
    to pick it up, but it didn't work.
    	
    				Just blabbering...
    					Les
    

    In Denver they were plain lethargic. They were slightly less annoying
    than Kindom CLone and they gave me a headache. Don woved once, and
    that was to get the hair outta his eyes. It was like they didn't
    want anything to do with each other. In fact Metallica did "In My
    Dreams" better than Dokken did, and Metallica did it as a joke!!!
    
    
    jh who will never pay money to see Dokken again unless they have
    a killer headlining band.

    
    
    Really Jesse?
    
    Metallica did a Dokken cover?  Wow.. I hadn't heard they were doing
    things like that!  How did you come to find out it was a joke they
    did it?  (I'm sure it was, but just curious)  I wonder how the two
    bands got along during that tour!!!
    
    Don't you need permission to do a cover of another band maybe? or
    in the same tour?
    
    F.

    They did it as a joke cuz They also did A "Clone", Scorpion and
    a Van Halen medley, it was a riot!!                    
                                                          
    

    
    	...I wish I had seen that! I think the small 'Run to the Hills'
    joke on Garage Days Re-  was hilarious...pedal riffing 'In my
    Dreams'...oh, i'm dying here...
    
    						Les
    

    What Metallica did was to play the intros from a popular song by
    each of the other bands, it was very funny.  They did In My Dreams
    from Dokken, but just the intro.  
    
    Like Jesse said, at the MOR in Denver, Dokken was pretty disjointed.
    They sounded reasonably good, but it was like they didn't know the
    others in the band were on the same stage (except when Don left
    while they played Mr. Scary).
    
    gh

    
    
    What did they do of Scorpions and Van Halen?
    
    I know I'm sidetracking... but this is very interesting to me!
    
    Was everyone in the audience laughing?  Was Metallica with serious
    faces or laughing?  I wished I had seen!!!!!!!
    
    F.

    I don't recall what they did from VH & Scorps, you remember Jesse?
    
    Yes, both the band and the audience were cracking up.  This was a
    laughing Metallica, you could really see their sense of humor in this.
    It was a very good stage gimick. 
    
    gh

    OK, I bought a "RIP" magazine, mainly because I don't want to be
    a butt-head, but also because it has an article called "The Demise
    Of Dokken" or something like that.  The article pretty much sums
    it up, Dokken's history .... BUT, on the Headgivers Ball on MTV
    this weekend, Don Dokken is at a Great White party and tells the
    free world that "they're" in the studio working on "their" next
    LP, "Up From The Ashes".  Now would someone please tell me who's
    on first, what's on second, and is Don on drugs .... or something?
    
    
    
    				Scary

    
        And does Don have a new hair style, or was I dreaming when
        I thought I saw him?
    
                                                       GTI
    

    re.93
    
    I said on the 1st Feb that I heard a rumour that Dokken was touring
    again this year. Note #.82.
    
    If this is true then maybe they are recording again.
    
    
    Bonzo

    .93
    
    From what I hear, George Lynch has formed a new band with Jeff Pilsner
    [sp.] on lead vocals, called the Lynch Mob.
    
    Don is supposed to go solo, maybe the "We" describes his new band
    and himself?
    
    Or maybe he has a mouse in his pocket...? [it's early....]
    
    -Vamp>

    I hear ya Scary !  I wish someone would say the full story hear...
    All the rumors...No definitive answers...
    
    I heard that Lynch Mod was all BS...It was just a logo on some picks
    someone gave Lynch.  (BTW Renee, it' Jeff Pilson, not Pilsner !
    Pilsner is a brewing technique for beer !)
    
    I've also heard that Dokken (The whole band) would be headlining
    this summer with Tesla as a backup.  Sheeesh !
    
    jc (who doesn't know, and is not sure if he cares)

    
    Oh no, not *this* again.  Ok you dudes, you know Don Dokken has the
    rights to the name Dokken!  Don was jamming with Atomik Tommy McKarron
    (sp?) in LA a while back, in hops of forming a "new" Dokken.  Looks
    like he has succeded.  FYI, Tommy hails from the old UFO. 
    
    Lynch n Pilson n Brown are in Lynch Mob, and they will never again be
    in Dokken, so wake up and face reality...the old Dokken has split
    up!!!!! 
    
    Buck

    Maybe a bomb will destroy them all and we won't have to hear any
    more this. ;^)   O.k. Alan do your thing.

    Well, ya can't believe what you hear OR read anymore, in this
    conference or in the metal mags.  Let's see, how about Don Dokken
    and his allstar band including:
    
    
    Elvis Presley - back-up vocals
    The dead members of Guns & Roses - doin' the tunes
    Roy Orbison - Lead guitar (should be able to fill Lynch's shoes...)
    
    
    We'll see .... 
    
    
    				Scary
    (who says "Go get 'em George !" Guitar players are ALWAYS right)
    

     If Don Dokken had Gun's and Rose's as his band,
    
       They would be the BEST band around!!
    
      No Contest!
    
    

    Oh, what a retched thought...don't even suggest it!
    
    Now, Axl with George Lynch, that may be cool.

    This is a little out of context but....
    
    Set Mode=FLAME_ON
    
    
    Why would any respected musician want to play in the same band as
    Buns & Toasties....? I mean the biggest joke of the last 2 years
    was "Slash" being voted the best HM Guitar player, in the Kerrang
    poll.......!(a UK Magazine) I mean how can they do this to the
    Metalhead population. OK Slash is better than me but...... if I
    was looking for greatness Slash's name would be so low on my list
    You Would Have To Dig For It!
    
    SET MODE=FLAME_OFF
    
    Glad I got that outta my system.
    
    Bonzo
    

                
                Re: .103
                
                YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Say it again!
                You must  be  kidding.   Slash was actually voted
                BEST *GUITARIST*???????   Excuse me while I laugh
                a hole in my side ...
                
                HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
                
                

    Rob I kid you not........
    
    Ask Tony- he can tell ya.
    
    I was as sick as a parrot with a rubber beak!

    
    OK metal dudes.  While Slash is obviously not the best HM guit around,
    he has done one thing successfully in his career...which is turned
    the SOUND of rock guitar around and make it come back full circle.
    
    I mean, here we were in the late 80s, with guitarists like Lukather,
    Vai, Campbell, Lynch...playing through guitar rig set-ups that cost
    more than most people houses!!!!  And the whole classically-influenced
    Malmsteen/MacAlpine/Andre Fath/Gilbert/Vai/Cacophony speed guitar
    thing......
    
    Slash came out and made the Les_Paul_plugged_straight_into_a_Marshall_
    Stack sound infamous again.  We had lost sight of this to modified
    strat thingies and high tech amp setups.  Also, people weren't playing
    rock blues anymore.  So, for those fans of the 70s sound and approach,
    cheers to Slash for making everyone remember a strong period of
    rock guitar prominant in the late 80s!

    
        RE: Slash
    
    		  Thanks Buck - I wanted to say something like
                  that but I didn't know how.
    
                  Sure, he's not Mr. "Speedy Fingers" but he's
                  still good.  Listen to the finale of "Night
    		  Train" and listen to the solo ... not light-
                  ning fast, but good.
    
                                                       GTI
    

    re: .106
    
    >Slash came out and made the Les_Paul_plugged_straight_into_a_Marshall_
    >Stack sound infamous again. 
    
    Excellent point.  Not quite "straight" into the Marshall, he's brought
    the Wah-Wah back into style.
    
    "Best" is an ambiguous word anyway, one persons best may differ from
    another.  In this case, perhaps to Kerrang (is that spelled right?)
    "best" was "sold lots of records" or "made lots of people happy" rather
    than "has amazing speed and dexterity".
    
    Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't vote him as my best (in a long run), but 
    he plays catchy memorable licks and that gets him at least an
    honourable mention in my book.  You listen to the speed-burners and one
    lightening fast lick blurrs into the next.  While it takes incredible
    skill to play stuff like this...do you find yourself humming it later? 
    Probably not, that's what the non-musician public remembers.  They
    don't care in the least whether it took 20 years of practice and
    outstanding aptitude to be able to do it or not.
    
    I know that when I play some incredibly complex stuff that just knocks
    my socks off, as a person that plays (at least tries) an instrument,
    for some of my friends and they just go "oh yeah that's nice...put on
    some <insert less skillful band of your choice>".
    
    gh

    Slash did manage to put the bad boy back in rock, and even though,
    like it's been mentioned before, he's not a speedster, he does have
    a "signature" sound and the end of "Night Train" is no walk in the
    park, neither is the solo in "Paradise City".  Yep, faster isn't
    *always* better ....
    
    				Scary

         
    All you jerks who say Slash is a naff guitarist obviously don't
    know squat about playing the instrument.                      
         
    Whilst the guy is not the best in the world, he is extremely talanted
    and underated.  If he got his sh*t together anb gave the drugs and
    hard booze up, he would be a very influenial player in years to
    come.                   
                            
    Next time you are down at the music store have a look at the music
    for Appetite for Destruction.  That is difficult sh*t to play.
                            
    I have spoken.
         
    -Tony

    Don't get me wrong. I ain't saying that he's no good at what he
    does. I ain't sayin that fast is best. But there is no way I can
    seriously take him being voted best guitarist in the KERRANG. To
    me the whole thing was Hype. There is no way that G&R were the best
    band to hit the UK shores last year. It was a simple case of something
    different.
    
    You may have spoken Tony, but so have I.
    
    Bonzo

    So what you are all saying is that we should take a giant leap back
    in time 20 years so we can sound like trash like GnR ? (Humble
    opinion).  I don't mind GnR, but I certainly wouldn't call them
    my fave.  I even own a tape with Night Train on it.
    
    I can't believe I'm reading this.  So Slash spends all his bucks
    on heroine instead of rack goodies, plugs into a marshall and that
    makes him a great guitarist ?  Come on people get real.  My grandmother
    could whip his a$$ with a dobro !
    
    jc (who might sell his rack so he can be rich and famous too)

    ;^)

    jc,
    
    Question: Are you agreeing with me or what?
    
    }:^| �--- Dumb look
    
    Bonzo
                        
    

    Oh yes !  We are in violent agreement !
    
    jc

    I just found out a co-worker/fellow guitar enthusiast is a neighbor
    to George Lynch!  It was fascinating, hearing him describe his personal
    studio and guitar setup.
    
    Mike

    That sounds pretty interesting!  Care to elaborate?
    
    gh

    Yeah, whats in his rack !
    
    jc

    
    	Hey, George...can I use your lawnmower? How about that tiger
    geetar right there...
    
    	This is in Arizona, no?
    
    						Les
    

    
    The only thing I like about Lynch is his hair !!

    I can get details if you want.  What I do know is that, suprisingly,
    he isn't into effects and guitars, etc. as you would think.  My
    co-worker has been given the license to go in and putter around
    with his gear.  A lot of the equipment is just bought for him without
    him using it or trying it out.  The guy I work with has actually
    had to show him how to set up and use some of the effects.
    
    I'll ask him for an equipment list.
    
    Mike

    I forgot to mention that this is in Phoenix.  There are actually
    quite a few metal groups that live around here or are from here.
    
    Alice Cooper still lives up on Camelback Mountain (Barry Goldwater's
    neighbor, believe it or not :-)), which is right in the heart of
    the valley.  He went to high school here, and I've gotten his autograph
    in one of the local shopping malls.
    
    Mike

    	Did you hear about Dokken's latest break-up?  I've heard this
    before, but I heard (a couple of months ago) that Lynch and the guys,
    minus one Don Dokken, are forming "Lynch Mob".  Anyone else caught this
    rumor?

    Don't mind Buck, he's our Membership recruiter...
    
    Welcome to the conference !
    
    ;^)

    The latest i heard was that George Lynch and Mick Brown are officially 
    forming Lynch Mob with Jeff Pilson forming a separate group and Don
    Dokken going solo.
    
        This was in both Kerrang and Metal Hammer a few weeks ago. 
    
    
     Prince Of The Dawn.

                I was  watching  an ameteur race the other day on
                TV with Don  Dokken,  Mike  Levine, some guy from
                Starship, Ricky Schroeder [sp?]  and  a  bunch of
                other people I didn't know.  They were all racing
                Shelby's  of  course.  Ricky won  [understandable
                'cause at this point I don't know if I'd call him
                an  ameteur  anymore],  Dokken  came  in  second,
                Levine  was   6th  I  believe.    Dolly  Parton's
                daughter was also one of the drivers.  Definately
                takes after her mother :').
                
                - Rob -
                

    
    re Rob
    
    Does Dolly's daughter have nice, long flowing blonde hair like her
    mother???  I can't think of anything else that could resemble Dolly.
    
    :-)
    
    jab

                that too ...
                
                :')
                

    I was wondering what people thought about the untimely demise of
    Dokken.  They were truly one of the best metal bands out.  They are
    certainly better than most of the crap that is out today.  My question
    is why, in your opinions, did this happen?  They were so good and
    talented, and had so much cool stuff out, why didn't they hit it big?
    
    Alone Again had to be the best ballad by any metal band, or at least in
    the top 5.  The "Walk Away" tune on Beast... was really good, and
    certainly, IMO, should have killed the charts.  Back for the Attack was
    a really cool album...but again it just didn't cut it, and they never
    made it to headline in the US.
    
    What are your reasons for this misfortune to metal?
    
    However, Don was just holding George back, but now with Lynch Mob, he
    is going to kick a*s!  I'm really looking forward to the new album.
    
    Steve

    Personalities do clash.  I bet either George or Don would be SOB's
    to work with...Especially Don.  I really think he's got a massive
    ego.
    
    On the other hand, if there was a band called COOPER, I'd probably
    want to call the shots too, supposing I had an ego like Dons.
    I wonder what it will be like in Lynch Mob ?
    
    I gotta agree with you though.  Dokken will be missed as a band.
    They are responsible for turning me on to Metal.  The "In My Dreams"
    video really turned me on, so I went out and bought their albums.
    I've loved them every since.  I still will.  I still think Under
    Lock And Key was their best release.
    
    maybe it's wishful thinking but perhaps two new excellent metal
    bands will form from the rubble eh ?

    jc

    I just hope this "Lynch Mob" thing doesn't turn out to be another
    mediocre band with a blistering guitar player, there's billions
    of those already.  But, naturally I'll go buy Mr. Scary's new CD
    when it comes out ...
    
    
    
    			Scary (who used to be Mr. Scary II ...)

    Any idea when the Lynch Mob willl release an album?
    
    Tony
    

    
    I dont think it will.  I still keep hearing that Dokken is still
    in exsistence just with a new bass player.  I don't think anyone
    knows exactly what is going on with Dokken/Lynch Mob.
    
    Mr. Ed
    

    
    
    	I know this has been revisited kadrillions of times, but
    	according to Don Dokken on last night's HBB - he said he's
    	working "on a new album with Dokken...."
    
    	?!??!?
    
    	Tigga~~~

    
    	New ads for ESP guitars list George Lynch as with "Lynch Mob".
    
    							Les

    
    There is no way to really tell until the album comes out!  There
    is so many rumors out it isn't funny.  I have personnaly read that
    the whole band is still together, that the whole band is still together
    except for a new bass player, and that Lynch Mob is a reality with
    George, Mick, and Jeff singing.  Three different magazines!  Let's
    just wait and see.
    
    Mr. Ed...still says Dokken should stay together!

    >Mr. Ed...still says Dokken should stay together!
    
    I'm with ya there, Ed.  I thought that Lynches guitar style and
    Dokkens voice went well together, a good combination.  Too bad they
    can't just drop the attitudes and play some music, huh?
    
    Gh

    
    
    Got an update Gh,
    
    This month's Metrenome in the "Metronome Madness" column it says
    "Congratulations to Darren Householder local guitarist who has just
    landed a gig with Jeff Pilson of Dokken".
    
    So it looks definite that Jeff is either out of the line up or that
    George is gone and Darren is in?  Hmmmmmmm, which do you think it
    actually is?  I would go with Jeff starting his own thing and just
    got himself a hot local guitarist.
    
    Mr. Ed...

    
    	Coming from another source, so I can't guarantee it...
    
    	Don Dokken, on the HBBall this Saturday, announced the new line-up
    of Dokken, including:
    Whoever-it-was-that-played-on-the-first-Europe-album on guitar.
    
    	The band (new band) are heading into the studio.  Again, I heard
    it second hand.
    
    						Lf

    re .139
    
    
      Darren Householder is Buck's old guitar teacher. Aint that right
    FR.?
    
    
        dave
    

    This rumor stuff is just killing me.
    
    I wish I knew what was going on.  Dokken was such a good band.  I do
    think that Don was just holding George back, and on his own, George is
    going to produce an absolute killer heavy album.
    
    Steve

    
    Oops,
    
    I jumped the gun on that little article in Metrenome.  It goes on
    to say "Darren's pal Mike Varney hooked the two up and Darren flew
    to L.A., auditioned and got the gig. Other members of the band include
    bassist Micagel Diamond and a world renowned drummer that hasn't
    told his boss he's quiting yet."  End of story.
    
    Wonder who the drummer is.  Could it be Carmine Appice?  Tommy
    Aldridge?  We'll have to see, good move for him to get off bass
    and concentrate on vocals only.  Ought to be a great band.  No name
    mentioned yet though.
    
    Mr. Ed...
    

    Yeah, I used to take lessons with Darren...he's a hot player...speed
    for days n days, and has good technical knowledge too!  I showed him a
    few things, too!  (like my special minor maj7 apreggio lick!) ];^>
    
    ha!

    Hell, everyone knows the special minor maj7 arpeggio lick.  
    Who are you fooling?  ;^)
    
    But do you know the super augmented diminished min3 arpeggio lick?
    
    S

      
    FWIW :-
           
    John Norum (the ex-Europe guy) is Dokken's new axe slinger. 
    
    It won't be Aldridge or Appice on drums coz they're playing with
    Whitesnake and Blue Murder (respectivly).
                                             
    -T

    
    The article said that they havn't told their boss yet!  Could be
    anybody!  And also that article was pertaining to the new drummer
    in Jeff Pilson's band not in the "new" Dokken, I have no idea what
    Don is doing for a bass player and a drummer.
    
    

     I heard a while back that don dokken was getting mickey dee 
    (formerly from king diamond) as a drummer.
    
    
           dave

    Didn't Norum have a solo album about a year ago or so?  It must not
    have done too well.
    
    Gh

    
    Yeah, it was called "Total Control" and was a bit boring.

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JETSAM::MATTHEWS "AEROSMITH TIX R SOLD, NO MORE MAI" 10 lines  16-NOV-1989 12:07
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    re.-2
    i thought dokken was history for good..
    
    werent they on rca label?
    i heard they split and had the same manager as KISS, druid
    anyway they dropped em flat, for what reasons i dont know.
    
    		wendy o'
    

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USCTR1::EDEGAGNE "They're only good for one thing"   11 lines  16-NOV-1989 12:14
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    Don's got the old guitarist from Europe, the old bass player from
    Black n Blue, and another drummer in working on another album.
     Sopposed to be the new Dokken.  I think they should change the
    name. I hate when bands do this (e.g. Black Sabbath, Whitesnake,
    Quiet Riot, etc...) Especially QR, not a single member of this "new"
    QR is an original member!  Bleck!  Awesome singer though, but not
    with these guys, Rough Cutt needs to get back together!
    
    Mr. Ed...
    

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VCSESU::COOK "Bubba, take him away..."                8 lines  16-NOV-1989 12:20
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    It's Don's last name so he can keep it as long as he wants really.
    
    /prc
    

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USCTR1::EDEGAGNE "They're only good for one thing"    8 lines  16-NOV-1989 12:30
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    Yeah I know Pete, but it's a cheap way to capitalize on an already
    known name.  Alot of people out there will buy the name just because
    it says Dokken on it, having no idea that it's not the same band.
    It s*cks especially if the album is trash, but I'm sure it will
    be pretty good, it's just the idea.
    
    Mr. Ed...I was dead once, it's very liberating!

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BOSHOG::KELLY "Don't just do something, stand there" 10 lines  17-NOV-1989 02:54
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    	Ummm...didn't I read somewhere that the NEW Dokken was going
    to be called Don Dokken... so as not to confuse old with new..
    
    	I wonder if Don will play git???
    
    BK
    

    
    According to "Kerrang", they already have two guitarist, someone
    is playing alongside John Norum, i'll dig the article out. It also
    said that George has a deal and is signed and about to record, but
    Don hasn't got a deal yet.
    
    
    Prince Of The Dawn.

    
    	...singer Don Dokken has formed a new outfit with John
    	Norum and Billy White on guitar, Mikkey Dee on drums,
    	and bassist Patrick Young (though Peter Baltes will play
    	on some album tracks)....
    
    	Tigga~~~
    	(where do they get some of these names?  Mikkey Dee?)
    	Sheesh! (8

    Dokken have moved into the Total Access Studios in LA.  They have
    apparently hired a new bass player who is as yet unknown.  The band are
    being secretive regarding info and haven't yet confirmed either the
    albumor the song titles.
    
    Flip

    
    	I just (this morning) finished listening to a "double shot"
    	of "Tooth and Nail" and "Under Lock and Key" which I record-
    	ed on a 90-minute cassette.
    
    	"Tooth and Nail" blows "Under Lock and Key" away by a mile ...
    	ULaK sounds more like "power pop" (for the most part) than
    	H_M.
    
    							GTI
    

    I wore out about three copies of Tooth and Nail on tape (before the CD
    existed).  Great Album.
    
    CJ

Yep, I like Tooth and Nail best...  But I still like ULaK too...it shows 
some pretty ingenious marketing...IE, Don Dokken knew that those love songs
would sell.  I beleive I read that ULaK sold a LOT more copies that TaN...

FWiW,
jc

    
    While I do agree that "Tooth and Nail" is a great album and I, too
    have worn out a copy or two, I must say that George's playing and 
    the overall compilation is best on "Back For The Attack", IMHO.
    
    I think that there's a hint of George's ability shows thru on their
    earlier albums, but it's comes thru with FULL FORCE on "Back".  I think 
    that their songwriting is alot better, too!
    
    Just my opion...
    
    J.  

    "Back ...." was supposedly a guitar oriented album as opposed to
    being vocalyl oriented like the previous albums.  I agree, gotta
    love "Mr. Scary" ..... ahem ...
    
    
    				Scary

    
    re; -1
    
    Oh,,,  it's "Mr. Scary" to me???  8)
    
    J.
    

    Naahhh ... "Mr" to no one, "Scary" to almost anybody ! Aggga !
    BTW - this particular tune sounds great with a Kitty Hawk on 14
    or so !
    
    
    				Scary

    
    RE; -.1
    
    You actually learn that finger torturing exercise?
    Now, that is scary!!! 8)
    
    Man, I hope I'll never run into you in a dark alley with our respective
    guitars in our hands! 8(
    
    J.

    All this "Dokken" talk mader me pull out some of their stuff today.
    They may have had their problems, but that was a killer band ! 
    Oh yeah, "Unchain the night" cranks very nicely on the Kitty too.
    
    
    				Scary

    
    Dokken was a killer band!!!  One of the unsung heroes for sure.
    I love Don's nasal voice, Lynch's somewhat unorthodoxed approach 
    to rock guitar, Pilson's laid back but tasteful basslines, and
    Mick's wild drumming.  It was good combination to say the least.
    It's really too bad that they couldn't get along.  But then maybe
    we'll have 2 good new bands to look forward to from Dokken's 
    breakup...
    
    I'm getting philosophical; it's time to go home!!! |-O
    
    J.
    

    I'm afraid Don's new band will be a BonJovi clone, 50 minutes of
    sappy love songs (lots of chorus ...) per album, and Scary's next
    venture will be yet another guitar album with some scattered vocals
    here and there.  Once a band is great, the pieces never add up to
    the previous sum (kinda like VanHalen and DLR).
    
    
    				Scary

I heard Don Dokken's new song last week on WGIR. 

Guess what? Sounds a lot like the old Dokken, with some half-talent trying 
to imitate Lynch. Yech!

BTW, the song is called "Mirror Mirror". (How original, eh?)

alan

Dokkens new tune ?

Whats the name of the band ?

Don ?

Wagagagagagagaaa.

jc

    
    <What's the name of the band ?
    
    <Don ?
    
    Waahgagagagagagagagaga!   I'm DYIN'!!!!
    
    SoHong

    
    Tuesday night on WAAF's TNT the new Dokken song was in the top
    nine.  The DJ said something about some kind of benefit gig going
    on at the Channel and Dokken would be one of the bands playing.
    Did anyone hear the same thing and have more details??
    
    Renee

    
    >The DJ said something about some kind of benefit gig going
    >on at the Channel and Dokken would be one of the bands playing.
    
    	Is that "Dokken the band" or "Dokken the ego"?
    
    							GTI
    

    The Boston Phoenix says its a sort of celebrity jam.
    Members of Dokken, Skid Row, King Diamond, Badlands..will be
    on hand.
    Peter

    
    I gotta collect a copy of the new Dokken album tomorrow.
    
    Review once I've heard it.

    
    	RE: 99.?  Tony (Dokken)
    
    	That's the other song I heard last night.  Mirror, Mirror by
    	his "new" band.  Whoever it was that said it sounded just
    	like Dokken was absolutely right.  I suppose that could stem
    	from the fact that Don sung for Dokken and he's got one of
    	those "original" type voices, but... eh. It was okay.
    
    	(sorry guys.  I did a dir/title=dokken but I couldn't think
    	of his new band's name)
    
    	tigga~~~

    I heard "Mirror,Mirror" the other night and didn't recognize it as
    Dokken.  Must not have sounded *that* much like them to me because I am
    a big fan of the old Dokken.  
    
    Not a bad song, but nothing that would raise the hair on the back of
    your neck.
    
    gh

    
    I heard "Mirror, Mirror" for the 3rd time on the radio, and have seen
    the video the other night.  I have always liked Don's voice, and I,
    too, have been a big fan like Greg H...
    
    This new guitar guy sounds so much like George Lynch, it's sickening!!!
    The composition may not be Lynch's style, but the intro lick sounds
    so much like "It's Not Love"!  And his solo has Lynch's signature all
    over it!
    
    I think Don's out to prove that his new band is every bit as good as 
    the original lineup, but it's not working with me.
    
    SoHong

    
    	RE: -1
    
    	
    	I believe Don Dokken has TWO guitarists in his new band.
    	John Norum, former Europe, and the former guitarist for
    	Watchtower.  If you've ever heard any of Watchtower's 
    	stuff, you'd know that he doesn't sound like Lynch.  I've
    	also heard Norum's early Europe stuff (not as pop-oriented
    	as later Europe), and he doesn't sound like Lynch either.
    	I've heard Mirror, Mirror only twice, but I can't see where
    	the Lynch-clone views are coming from.  The song structure
    	itself definately has 'Don Dokken' written all over it, though.
    	
	The song wasn't too bad, but I expected more.
    
    	JMHO, of course.
    
    
    Steve
    
    

    
    I dunno, man.  When I was listening to it, the guitar licks, like 
    I mentioned, was errily reminiscent of Lynch.
    
    SoHong

    
    
    	I'll listen more carefully next time, maybe you're right...

    
    I don't hear any Lynch in Norum's playing.

    
    
    well.. like i said i have heard alot ** better local bands than
    this.. I dunno just dont like the way the song was written.. its just weak..
    
    
    
    

    
    Not much of dynamics, IMO.
    

    Being a big Dokken fan, I picked up the new one by "Don" today
    (WTF, right ?).  I like it better than their last two efforts...
    But not as much as Under Lock And Key and Tooth And Nail...
    My two faves.
    
    I can see where the Lynch/Norum similarities are...But I think
    it's no big deal.  Hell, *I'd* like to sound like Lynch...
    Why shoudn't Norum ?  As a side note, I don't *feel* all the
    tension in this effort, but I do feel a Don attitude saying
    "Hey WTF happened to Lynch Mob? <smirk>".
    
    I feel this album will do well in the pop-metal market.
    Dons always been able to sing (least I think he can), and
    lets face facts; he's been saround and knows what sells !
    
    jc

    
    
    I feel this album will do well in the pop-metal market.
    <Dons always been able to sing (least I think he can), and
    
    Except live...
    
    <lets face facts; he's been saround and knows what sells !
    
    Hmm, I don't recall ANY Dokken albums selling so well...
    
    
    SoHong  Who_says_selling_and_being_a_good_album_are_two_different_things
            

>    SoHong  Who_says_selling_and_being_a_good_album_are_two_different_things
    
    C'mon here Jbomb(tm), you want to sell out so bad you can taste it (as
    it were).  Who was Mr. "Let's play covers to get people to listen to
    our originals"?
    
    gh

    IMHO, if you play covers people are gonna wanna hear more covers...
    ...Not originals...And originals are where it's at ! (Just tough to get
    gigs!)

    Originals roooool!
    
    But you're right...no gigs, and no money.
    
    gh

    
    GH,
      
      Are you forgetting Denver!! The Broadway club is all originals,
    and Bangles is all originals on Sunday, and Monday nights!! Not
    much money but Dec pays the bills!!

    That's true dude, but surely there must be a waiting list a mile long
    to get into those places, right?
    
    Personally, I don't care about the money, as you say, DEC pays the
    bills.
    
    gh

    
    Jbomb(tm) WAGAGAGAGAGAGA!!!
    
    Everyone around me has been lookin' at me as if I've lost it by 
    now!!!  (As if I ever had it!)
    
    Hey, personally, I am/was looking for some experience of playing out...
    
    SoHong --Jbomb(tm)

    OK, I listened to the new Don Dokken CD this weekend, and I gotta tell
    ya - I liked it a LOT !
    
    1> Does Don's voice still sound whinny ?  Yes ...
    2> Does every song have a pretty predictable melody line ?  Yes ...
    3> Does the guitar player sound like George Lynch ?  Yes ...
    4> So basically, it sounds a lot like old Dokken, right ?  Yes !
    
    Don't get me wrong, I couldn't listen to this stuff for hours at a
    time, but it's light-hearted metal with rememberable chorus lines.
    
    And the guitar player sounds a LOT like Mr. Scary ... which isn't too
    shabby.  I've been told *I* sound a lot like someone, but to this date
    I haven't figured out who this "sh*t" guy plays for ... but he must be
    popular ... 8^)
    
    Scary (who wouldn't mind sounding like Georgie ...)

      Caught Don Dokken's new act last night! Great guitar work and
    plenty of it. I think I know which one was John Norum due to the
    aforementioned Lynch similarity. Who the hell is from Accept? The
    other guitar player? He wasn't quite as good as Norum (but neither
    am I! B-} .) The drummer is from King Diamond, SOLID! 
    This was a Sunday night show at a local club, $14 a pop and the
    place was packed to the rafters. Lotsa musicians, woman in revealing
    lace, hair extensions... etc. 
       The show consisted of plenty of old Dokken tunes. "The Hunter",
    "Into the Fire", "Breaking the Chains", "It's not Love", and the
    opener was "Paris is Burning". Interesting that Don gave the band
    a break while playing "Alone Again" on acoustic. Nice job! It seems
    his voice has improved considerably. I remember seeing Dokken as
    an opener and thought the vocals s*cked! Not this time around.
    The two guitarists did a great job of covering the Lynch licks!
    A lot of the new tunes features the dual guitars, sorta reminded
    me of seeing Night Ranger when they sent from switching leads into
    harmonized leads.
      If you get a chance to catch this act in a club, I would recommend
    it. Don didn't come off as the "Ego" that Lynch makes him out to
    be, but then again D.D. isn't playing the big arenas this go around.

    							-bOOm-

    The bassist, Peter Blates, was from Accept.

      Thanx Buck -
        Can somebody out there post the whole line-up?
      Where's the other guitar player from?  I should've
      mentioned that they threw a quick two chorus lines of
      "Balls to the Wall" in the middle of "It's not Love". Don
      made some reference to somebody being from Accept.
        FWIW - I thought "Mirror,Mirror" was far from the best
      of the new Dokken material. One song in particular (don't
      know the name) started out real thrashy, unusual for Don's
      previous material. 
    						-bOOm-

    This seems strange, but..  I heard on KILO (local radio station) that
    the original members of Dokken are getting together for a "Reunion
    Tour.." 
    
    Anyone else hear this?
    
    CJ

    Naaaa... Lynch is still dead isn't he ?

    
    thats funny, someone mentioned to me that he had also hear that.  but
    we both agreed that lynch (who is dead of course) and dokken could
    never get along or patch differences...  hmmm....  not sure where he
    heard it, but it certainly wasn't KILO.
    

    why bother...they weren't that good anyway!
    
    
    
    						ian

    Patch differences?  Isn't that a MIDI problem??
    
    jc

    I'm serious.  They were are going to call it a "reunion tour."
    I'll call KILO tomorrow and see if they were joking.
    
    cj

    I liked/like Dokken - I'd go see the show...
    
    FWIW,
    jc

    If nothing else, to see how badly they beat each other up on stage. 
    Their performace at Monsters Of Rock with VH a few years ago (about a
    month before they split up) was embarrassing.
    
    gh

    
    maybe they'll finally headline?!?!?  NOT!
    
    I'd go check them out though...  Lynch kills!  (Assuming he isn't
    already dead, Seth :') )/.
    

		I am going to go kill him, just to tick you guys
		off! ;) heheh

		But if you noticed, Buck had heard the same thing
		about George so it wasn't just me! ;)


						-Seth

    
    
         An updated word:  reports have it that the original
    line-up is working on a new album.  Yes, original meaning
    George Lynch.  Rumor has it that Mr. Scary recorded his
    guitar parts at his house without the rest of the band
    present.
    
         Is this band ever going to grow up and get out of
    high school ?!!?
                    
    Kev --
    

    
    Can't wait to hear it! Dokken roolz!

    
    
    GL and DD are a couple little girly-crybaby-pussys.. 
    
    

    ...and they are shite!
    
    
    
    						ian

    Is their hair as big as ever?

    
    remember the equation....
    
    
       
    
        Big hair + pose = Big girls blouse 
    
    
    						ian 8)
    

    
    Dokken was the best poseur band that ever existed.

    Pete,
    
    Whatever happened to that guitarist you knew who played Laney amps
    with those little guitars?

    
    Scott Westgate! He's never played with a band. I think he might have
    even sold his stack. Scott's now in his own little world.
    
    -prc

    "little guitars"?  What, like a Chicata or something?

    
    3/4 scale guitars. You can do some sick chords on 'em cause of the
    small size of the neck.
    
    -prc

         Apparently, Dokken (with original line-up) has 
    completed their new album and has released it in Japan.
    I'm not sure of the title.  Dokken was always a hit in
    the far east and I guess they want to jump start the
    reunion thing there.
    
    U.S. release due out early spring with tour to follow.
    
    Kev --
                         

    Is this fact!?
    
    Too cool!!!!!!
    

    New Dokken CD out May 1...
    

    
    	Do you know what the line-up is?
    
    	And is this Dokken, or Don Dokken?
    

    I know for a fact George Lynch and Don Dokken are in it.
    Not sure about bass and drums...
    
    Kev --
    

    
    	I got a MAIL confirmation from someone who's NEVER WRONG [no, not
    	John Covert!!] who said it is the original line-up.
    

    
    So this means the drummer left Motorhead? Poor lemme! I just hope the
    recording is heavier than most of their earlier stuff......
    
    

I hear they are playing at the Strand in RI during May sometime.. 

    Thats KILLER!  Can't wait, et.el.
    
    :=)

    Well, I'll be seeing Dokken at The Rack-N-Roll for their tour kick-off.
    Heard another tune on the radio this morning from their new effort.
    Seemed VERY "Tooth-n-Nail" to me - which is excellent.  No guitar solo
    though - Could Don have tamed George?
    
    Also, the DJ said that Dokken is back with the ORIGINAL and COMPLETE
    line-up...  I'm psyched!
    jc

    
    Lucky you!! I ran into a live Dokken disc up at Rockit Records
    in Nashua a couple weeks ago.  It's an import dated '95 with
    a cover pix of the band shot live.  George Lynch has the short hair
    in the picture, so I'm betting it's from their recent stint 
    in the east.  I'd love to hear it, but I don't know about paying
    their price which was up over $35, or something like that.
    
    Kev --
    

    $18 for GA Admission at the local watering hole.  Eww.  
    
    I must be getting old.  I hate parting with that much cash to see a 
    show.

    ...I'd do it.  When are they coming out this way?  Will
    they be doing Rhythms in Clinton?!?  :^)
    
    Kev --
    

    
    	Check out the last few repliers in note 22.  I believe they're
    	playing The Strand in Providence RI next month.
    

    
    Per the Providence Pheonix:
    
    Dokken:  "All Original Members" Jeff Pilson, Don Dokken, Mick Brown,
    George Lynch.
    
    At the Strand.  79 Washington Street, Providence.   Phone 401-272-0444
    Thursday, May 11th
    Playing with King of the Rats & Sleeping Giant
    
    Tickets are on sale now.  $9.94 in advance (because 94 HJY is
    sponsoring the show)
    
    Tickets can be bought at any Ticketmaster outlet, the Strand Box office
    (Weekdays 10:30 a.m. - 6:00 p.m., Saturdays 11 a.m. - 2:00 p.m. &
    nights of show), or charge by calling 401-331-2211 (ticketmaster #).
    
    The Strand is really easy to find.  One of the major downtown roads
    right off of 95.   Of course the club has 'character' and the gum on
    the floor will stick to ya shoes! :^)
    
    /jen
    

    
    
    King of the Rats.. Ronnie Taimes's band.. These guys get some decent
    shows for never playing/practicing! I hear they are ok though.. 
    
    Whit-

    I be psyched for tomorrow night.  I mean, between Buck turning me
    on to Tesla, and me checking out the first three Dokken CD's, I'd 
    probably HATE heavy metal in general.
    
    jc (Who's tastes have changed considerably in these years...)

    I saw Dokken open for AeroSmith about 6yrs ago (Permanent VAcation
    Tour) in Toronto, and no offense, but they were AWFUL. Actually,
    Goerge Lynch, and the Bassist, and Drummer were good, but Don Dokken,
    was terrible. He must have threw the mic/stand in the air 4 times
    and dropped it 3 times, he was of key and just didn't perform well.
    I know this is only one show, but if the lead singer isn't having
    a good show it looks bad on the rest of the band, and that one bad
    show, sticks in my mind, and because of that I would never pay to
    see them play.
    
    Bob 

    Well if he tries that shit at the Rack-N-Roll tonight, he'll take out
    half his light show.  The ceiling over the stage at The Rack is about
    7.5 feet tall.  He'll be sorry. :-)
    
    I saw Dokken at GreatWoods YEARS ago (right after the released
    Tooth-N-Nail I think.  They opened for Loverboy and they were
    KILLER then...Although I hear they blew-chunks at The Monsters
    thing...  
    
    You'll get a full report from me tomorrow!!
    jc (Who can't wait...)

    
    	I saw them open for Twisted Sister and Judas Priest and they
    	were very good then [3-4 years ago].
    

    
    i saw them with loverboy also up in manchester, nh.  they were good,
    but lb blew them off the stage
    

    	Who couldn't blow LoverBoy off stage??? I'm surprised they even
    opened for them...Must be hurtin if ya gotta open for LoverBoy...
    

    We went to the show last night.  I can't honestly give a musical 
    review.  We were sittting (I should say standing for 4 1/2 hrs)
    on the edge of the stage.  Dangerous place.  We were in front of the
    mains, so everything began to sound a little muddy.
    
    Other than being "beat up" the show was great.  Some drunk dude
    spilled beer on us all night, and was being the typical drunk
    dude with an attitude.  I turned around to tell him to quit and
    he started a brawl with Jeff.  I got punched twice in the face
    by some guy (nice eh?)  I'm getting WAY to OLD for that game!
    
    They did all the classic tunes, "Breaking the Chains, Unchain the 
    Night, Tooth & Nail, In my Dreams, Kiss of Death, Into the Fire,
    It's not Love, Alone Again.."  
    
    Their newer stuff seems alot heavier, nothing like the old Dokken.
    Could be that my ears were fried.  I haven't heard much of their
    new stuff on the radio.
    
    Don & George-  Same ol same ol.  I've never seen a live show with one
    of the "bigger acts" where the guitar player constantly stopped
    between songs to "tune."  Don was giving him a "hard time" 
    and George didn't say two words to him all night.   The doors were
    supposed to be open at 7:00, but they didn't let us in until 7:30
    because George was taking a fit for some reason. I wouldn't be 
    surprised if they didn't make it through the whole tour, this was
    their opening gig for the tour and Don and George looked like
    they *HATED* each other.
    
    The guys are getting old.  Don looked like death.  He has a "full" head
    of "hair weaved" hair.  George, looks like a construction worker, if he
    would of been standing next to me in line, I would've never known it
    was him.  Jeff looks like he has been on tour for years already, and
    Mick was hot, but also looked very tired.
    
    I need a nap.  :-)
    
    CJ
                         
    

    
    re: .233
    
    you read that wrong... loverboy blew DOKKEN off the stage.  if you
    HAVEN'T seen LB before, don't even think about criticizing.  they had
    one of the best sounding shows i've ever seen as well as put on a great
    performance.  on the other hand, dokken is pretty much run of the mill
    (i love dokken, seen 'em half dozen times, but theyre nothing to write
    home about)
    
    

    
    Ive seen LOVERBOY too and their show was great !
    
    I love DOKKEN! Well CJ- hope you brought your knee up nice and fast!!!
    
    SueJ

    Gee, and I was wondering whether or not to come to Loverboy's defense.
    Glad to know I'm not alone.
    
    Paul Dean is a master of guitar hooks.  Kinda reminds of like Neil Schon w.
    Journey.

    
    one of my favorite guitar hooks is in take me to the top.  love the
    guitar work there with the wah-wah.
    
    

    TURN ME LOOSE....

    I was also at that Loverboy/Dokken show, and personally, at the time,
    enjoyed Dokken's show more (only cuz of Lynch), but the band sorta blew
    chunks (Don and George were fighting -- what a surprise).
    
    Loveboy had it much more together!

    
    
    ....Uh...Like, I thaught I heard Fabian !!!
    
    /Sax_son_of_Al
    

    
    	Is the new album out yet?
    
    	If not, when's it due?
    

    12 May is the release date...
    
    Ahh, the scent of hair spray in the air...
    
    Dokken was kickin' the other night, but every time George got hot on 
    his guitar Don would either leave the stage or give George the "Icy 
    Dokken Glare".  It was sorta funny...
    
    I enjoyed the show, but think (as the spousal unit mentioned), I'm too
    old for rock shows now a daze.
    
    Don definately looked like he'd doin' crossroads to stay awake.  He 
    looked like shit-warmed-over.  Georgo on the otherhand, while looking
    older had definately been working out and looked healthy, anyway.
    His guitar playing was excellent.
    
    Pilson hadn't changed a bit.  Still the posin' wild-boy.  George and
    Don didn't even break a sweat, but Pilson was SOAKED.
    
    Mick Brown looks like Rod Stewart.
    
    Definate crowd pleasers were the OLD Dokken tunes from Tooth-n-Nail,
    Unchain The Night, and Mister-Scary (well, I liked that anyway).
    Stuff like Alone Again and It's Not Love were re-arranged to add a 
    little life - Something that Don DEFINATELY didn't like...You could 
    tell.  I liked it.  :-)
    
    All in all, a good show.  I hope I didn't bust that chicks nose when
    I punched her face...  ;-)
    
    RE: Back a few 
    
    I should say that *I* thought Dokken beat up LoverBoy at GreatWoods
    way back, but I didn't say that overBoy was bad...in fact, I liked
    LoverBoy - Thats why I went to the show...I'd barely heard of Dokken
    then.

    
    I heard a new Dokken tune on 'AAF the other day.  Can't
    remember the name but I do remember not liking it that much.
    
    Anybody pick up the new CD?  Is it out?
    
    Kev --
    

    	I don't have it but have heard it. I'm not a Dokken fan, but
    track 4 on the CD, kicks major ass, and I'm sure the CD could grow
    on me.
    
    Bobby T

    
    Got the new Dokken CD, "Dysfunctional", listened once, listened
    twice, AND:  not bad.  First, vocals:  Man, I am hearing some
    King's X-styled vocal harmonies ALL OVER this CD!!  Still, sounds
    all right.  Guitars:  George Lynch rockin' tone is happening!!  
    Solos are a *bit* hidden (...little Don-Don cryin' again?).  Too
    bad a couple of songs open with a riff extremely similar to "Mr.
    Scary" - EXTREMELY similar.  No instrumental(s) this time = no
    big suprise here.  They do an O.K. cover of "From The Beginning"
    at the end of the CD (IMO, they should have left this one alone
    and chose something else).
    
    I still think the first single is a tad on the lame side.  There
    are some cool tunes on this one.  It could have been worse.
    
    Kev --
     

    
    	I like "In the Beginning" ... not the greatest song to begin with,
    	but they did a good job on it.
    
    	George gets to rip here and there, but not much.
    
    	So far I like "What Price" and track 6, which I've forgotten the
    	name of for the 5th time today [and the day is still young].  I
    	keep forgetting the 1st word, but the last 1 is "life".
    

    
    	I taped the first nine songs the other day which are :-
    
    	Inside Looking Out, Hole In My Head, The Maze, Too High To Fly,
    	Nothing Left To Say, Shadows Of Life, Long Way Home, 
    	Sweet Chains, Lesser Of Two Evils....
    
    	I'm not too sure about the style of the songs yet but I did 
    	give it a few spins and it was ok, "Too High To Fly" was good.
    
    	Tooth And Nail will always be my fav'
    
    	Giles.

"Shadowlife"

I gave it a couple spins today.  Not bad, but no "Tooth and Nail".  They're a long 
way away from that album now.

Some Tool/King's X overtones, and even a bit of Monster Magnet on song #5.

    Hey Slab,
    
    	I think I heard a track from Dokken the other night and I liked it. 
    The only problem is, I don't know the name of the album, song or even
    if it was "dokken".  This most recent album, is it re-mixed sorta???
    I heard the guy on the radio mentioning something like that.  I figure
    if ya mention off some of the names on that album it'll solve my
    question.
    
    	If ya have the time that is, thanks in advance,
    
    		J

I can't name the songs, but let me take a look around.

Yes, we know that George Lynch has a recording contract and you 
don't.

But it's no reason to be THAT bitter.

    
    -1
    
    That's ok -- at least I didn't have to sit in classes at music college
    and be confused when the teacher asked me to play a d minor 7 arpeggio.

I'll bet Buck makes more money.

RE: .259

If he knew EVERYTHING, what would be the point in going to music 
class?

Heck, I have a hard time cutting and pasting "d minor 7 arpeggio", 
never mind actually playing it.