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Conference napalm::heavy_metal

Title:HEAVY_METAL - Talent Round-Up DayDay
Notice:Rules-2.*,Directory-7.*,Roster-3.*,Garbage-99.*
Moderator:BUSY::SLABB
Created:Wed May 04 1988
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1238
Total number of notes:65616

111.0. "Demo Tapes ?" by NINJA::COOPER (Bag it Mr. Boo-Boo!) Mon Jun 20 1988 10:49

    Okay, I thought since this is a HM conference, and a lot of us are
    members of a band, we might set up a DEMO tape swap.
    
    As of tonight, 2EZ will be "In Session" working on a demo of 3-4
    originals, and 3-4 cover tunes.  We are hoping this tape will be
    available for general scarfing by the weekend.
    
    So far, it looks like we're gonna do these, and others are open
    to discussion:
    
    Rock Me To The Top			- Tesla
    Tonight (We need a lover)   	- M�tley Cr�e 
    
    
    Little Teaser (bitch)		-2EZ
    Little Girl				-2EZ
    She's Got The Best Seat In The House-2EZ
    
    This is subject to change...

    Well, who else has a demo tape ?
    
    JC
    
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111.2 ..... oh yeah, well .....RAVEN1::JERRYWHITEOpinion Set HiddenMon Jun 20 1988 11:188
    We're using a 24 track digital recorder.  We'll probably use something
    nice when we go in the studio.  
    
    p.s.  You believe that one and I've got some ocean front property
    in Arizona I'd like to sell you !!!
    
    
    				Mr Scary II
111.3We'll try anything once...NINJA::COOPERBag it Mr. Boo-Boo!Mon Jun 20 1988 11:208
    4-track cassette.  We're cheap, but we have a real nice board 
    (read:quite) for pre-record effects/mix.
    
    Anybody have any hints on how to get a real nice sound ?  Buck ?
    
    We're mic-ing all three guitars, and have five mic's for drums...
    
    JC
111.4Yipes !NINJA::COOPERBag it Mr. Boo-Boo!Mon Jun 20 1988 11:214
    By the way... This is the first time we've used the board for demo
    taping, so all suggestions are welcome...
    
    JC
111.5Direct vs NotBUSY::JMINVILLEArthur Dent in another dimensionMon Jun 20 1988 13:0010
    Be vewy, vewy caofuw about anything that goes "direct" into the
    board.  Example:  if you're mic'ing drums and guitar amps and the
    bass is going direct, just be aware of the level of the bass, 'cuz
    it'll tend to overpower the other stuff.  Also, if you're using
    high quality mics (especially for vocals), the voices may tend to
    be louder than the other instruments.
    
    I'm a real novice at home recording, WJB must have some advice??
    
    joe.
111.6Home recording...NINJA::COOPERBag it, Mr. Boo-Boo!Mon Jun 20 1988 13:166
    Thanks for the advice.  We are mic-ing all the amps and drums. 
    Probably use my SM58 for vocals, maybe our EV.
    
    Do you have a sister named Sally ?
    Just curious...
    jc
111.7DEMOVICKI::STAGINGMon Jun 20 1988 14:009
    I HAVE A DEMO TAPE WORTH LISTENING TO IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED IT
    IS ONLY ONE SONG . IT WAS RECORDED LAST APRIL IN MANCHESTER,AT 
    AIRWAVES ON 24TRACK AND WAS MIXED IN MAY AT NEWBURY SOUND IN   
    BOSTON.IT HAS BEEN PLAYED ON WBCN'S LOCAL MUSIC SHOW AND IS NOT
    A BAD TUNE.THE SONG IS CALLED "SHE WAS IN LOVE" AND IS COPYRIGHTED
    SO DONT GET ANY IDEAS.IF YOU WANT TO GIVE GIVE IT A LISTEN SEND
    MAIL TO VICKI::STAGING.                                        
                              JAY
    
111.8Wuz yo fingas in da pie ???RAVEN1::JERRYWHITEOpinion Set HiddenMon Jun 20 1988 14:039
    Ray,
    	Did you perform on it ??
    
    
    					Mr Scary II
    
    
    
    	
111.9Yeah, da pie !?!NINJA::COOPERBag it, Mr. Boo-Boo!Mon Jun 20 1988 14:082
    Yeah, are you on it ?
    
111.10demoVICKI::STAGINGMon Jun 20 1988 15:1317
    
    YES,IM ON IT . I PLAYED LEAD AND RHYTHM GUITAR ON IT.          
    MY NAME IS JAY STANLEY AND IM A TEMP. HERE IN SALEM JUST FOR   
    THE SUMMER I HAVE TO MAKE ENOUGH MONEY SO I CAN GO BACK TO     
    SCHOOL IN THE FALL.I AM A STUDENT AT BERKLEE COLLEGE OF MUSIC  
    AND A DEVOTED METAL HEAD UNLIKE 90 PERCENT OF BERKLEE STUDENTS.
    THE OTHER PLAYERS ON THE TAPE ALSO ATTEND BERKLEE EXCEPT FOR   
    THE BASS PLAYER WHO HAPPENS TO BE MY BROTHER.                  
    THE NAME OF THE BAND IS "OVERDRIVE"AND THESE ARE THE MEMBERS:  
              TOM JORDAN : VOCALS
              JAY STANLEY: LEAD GUITAR
              GLENN STANLEY: BASS
              GEORGE SPATTA: DRUMS
              JAVIAR DAVILA: KEYS
              PAUL MANNING: GUITAR
    
                   JAY
111.11PFLOYD::ROTHBERGand now, no. 1, the horse chestnutMon Jun 20 1988 16:2614
                Formicide demos  are  available  here (if anybody
                wants to send a tape).
                
                Let me know by mail first . . .
                
                Re: .-1
                
                Could you kill  the  CAPS  PLEASE?!?!?  It's hard
                to read and it  looks  as though you are yelling.
                Thanx.
                
                Best regards -Rob
                
111.122EZ, Her Love, Take 1342...;^)ERASER::BUCKLEYYo, the MESSIAH by GFH Kicks total ass!Mon Jun 20 1988 16:2716
    
    Yo, recording dudes in SC
    
    My suggestion is to try not to do any excessive EQing to tape, leve it
    for mixdown, except for the drums...get a good drum sound to tape.
    Jerry use real speakers for the recording!  JC, get a new ste of
    strings!! ;^)  Um, try to compress as many instruments to tape as
    possible...it limits the dynamic range in each inst and allows more
    things to be heard (ie less clutter) when mixing down. Try and use a
    good mic for vocals...a 421 or 441 would be great, even a beyer is
    better than an SM58, but I guess it'll have to do if that's all u got.
    
    Hope it goes well boize,
    Buck 
    
    
111.13Bum rush the micsREPAIR::EDWARDSWatch out, here comes a LAWNMOWER!Wed Jun 22 1988 02:508
    
    
    	I've a few British THRASH demo's I could possibly start trading
    with.  Any interest should be directed towards mailing me at
    	REPAIR:EDWARDS
    
    U.K.A.C.
    		MoshDuck.
111.14What is too much ping-pong ?NINJA::COOPERBag it, Mr. Boo-Boo!Mon Jun 27 1988 08:5713
    I got a question for y'all...
    
    2EZ has finished the rhythm trax on our latest demo... I was thinking
    last night of ping-ponging one of the two trax we used thru an FX
    rack.  Has anyone ever done this on a 4-trac ?  Obviously on a 4-trac,
    I don't wanna wreck the sound quality by bouncing too much... Is
    this too much ?  We were gonna use the other two tracs for
    vocals/lead...
    
    What do ya think ?
    
    jc
    
111.15Bouncing BabyMARKER::BUCKLEYYo, the MESSIAH by GFH Kicks total ass!Mon Jun 27 1988 09:5211
    
    First, why would you wanna bounce thru effects??? (unless it was
    maybe an eq)
    
    Second, if you wanna bounce, that's fine, however, don't bounce
    too much...each generation is more noise, less high end and less
    overall clarity.
    
    one, maybe two bounces are ok, more and you're asking for trouble.
    
    Buck
111.16Studio quality reverbSAMURI::COOPERBag it, Mr. Boo-Boo!Mon Jun 27 1988 10:109
    Buck, the only reason I wanted to bounce was to add some of that
    "studio quality" reverberation/delay.  I was just thinking of doing
    one of the two trax we've used so far.
    
    I'm real open to suggestions, if you got an idea, lets here it !
    
    thanks,
    jc
    
111.17Hssssssssssssssssssssssss !RAVEN1::JERRYWHITEI'm having a nice life ...Mon Jun 27 1988 11:466
    Coop, I think we should put a "p.s." at the end of the tape saying
    "This recording was made with no regard whatsoever to noise reduction."
    or maybe "Recorded using Dolby A (Absent)".  It might save a lot
    of questions later on .........
    
    					Mr Scary II
111.19Dbx and recording don't mixBUSY::JMINVILLEArthur Dent in another dimensionMon Jun 27 1988 13:126
    I just read somewhere that Dbx (or whatever) is absolutely NFG when
    recording.  I can't remember specifically why (u know WJB?), but
    it had something to do with signal gain/loss once the signal hits
    the tape.  Dolby is OK.
    
    joe.
111.20Reply set hiddenCSC32::G_HOUSEGreg House - CSC/CSMon Jun 27 1988 14:0620
    Re: .19  Dbx .vs. Dolby
    
    That's been a pretty firey topic (several times) in NOVA::COMMUSIC.
    The general consensus was that most had never had problems with
    Dbx unless there were other problems too (bad line levels etc).
    
    I personally don't think that one pass through a decent quality
    reverb/DDL would add too much noise.  It's when you layer 100
    overdubs... 
    
    If you can stand to wade through a lotta keyboard/MIDI type stuff,
    NOVA::COMMUSIC has quite a bit of information on home recording
    (typically on 4 tracks, some 8).  There was one note in particular
    which was titled something like "Low budget production" which I thought
    had some interesting ideas.  It was kind of a long series written by
    one of the noters there.  If anyone's interested, I'll go look for it
    and post the note number here. 
                                  
    gh
      
111.21Commusic note...SAMURI::COOPERBag it, Mr. Boo-Boo!Mon Jun 27 1988 14:214
    Yeah, Greg, I'd love to see it....
    
    If you ever get the chance...
    jc 
111.22Recording techniques in COMMUSICCSC32::G_HOUSEGreg House - CSC/CSTue Jun 28 1988 13:026
    Ok!  It's note 282.* in NOVA::COMMUSIC (Press KP7 to add this to your
    notebook).  It was written in installments and is pretty long.  I'd
    suggest EXTRACTing it and printing the results.  It's too long to try
    and read in NOTES. 
    
    gh
111.23Yepper...SAMURI::COOPERBag it, Mr. Boo-Boo!Tue Jun 28 1988 13:375
    Thanks Greg !
    
    On the scope...
    jc
    
111.24CommusicSAMURI::COOPERAnthrax Roolz!Wed Jun 29 1988 09:167
    Hey Greg...
    
    Thanks for the tip !  That guy seems to really know whats up with
    the 4-track.  If anyone out there want to know how to get 12 trax
    off of their 4 track read it up...  It's good stuff.
    
    jc
111.25Wait!CSC32::G_HOUSEAnthrax roolzWed Jun 29 1988 11:099
    Yeah, I liked it too.  He really likes the Y cords...
    
    I was thinking last night about your prev question about the bounce to
    add delay/reverb...Why don't you skip that until the final mixdown and
    add it as you take the final mix out to stereo (I presume you have more
    than 4 channels in the board).  That way you can save the noise in the
    4-track and have more flexability in the final mixdown. 
    
    gh
111.26thanx from me too!HAZEL::STARRYou ain't nothin' but fine, fine, fine!Wed Jun 29 1988 11:484
    I also went into COMMUSIC and copied it. Thanks for the pointer!
    It had a lot of interesting info that I never thought of.
    
    cat
111.27more on home recordingFUTURE::DSMITHWed Jun 13 1990 13:4711
    Another note regarding "home" recording....stay away from 8-tracks
    as they are too difficult to re-use in a larger studio...4/2 tracks
    are best...
    
    	As for the board - the mention of overpowering bass is one to
    watch - also spend some time with just bass/drums - drums mic'ed
    can make the music "muddy" if peaking out over the bass, etc. Bass
    and Keys are best left direct (providing that the player watches
    the levels) - best to track vocals after the basic's are down...
    
    Dave
111.28on demos..FUTURE::DSMITHWed Jun 13 1990 13:519
    Also - I got a few demo's which I pass around - let me know or
    call :
             Scared of Horses (U-2ish/alternative) - 4 song ep  
                (508) 879-7436 (John Coco) 
             Transit (Toto-sounding/Early Sammy H) - 3 song demo
                (508) 453-5091 (Chris Reddy)
             Ephesus (a cross of April wine/Styx)  - 3 song demo
                (508) 752-5175 (John Calabro)