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Conference napalm::heavy_metal

Title:HEAVY_METAL - Talent Round-Up DayDay
Notice:Rules-2.*,Directory-7.*,Roster-3.*,Garbage-99.*
Moderator:BUSY::SLABB
Created:Wed May 04 1988
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1238
Total number of notes:65616

102.0. "Drums and drumming" by RAVEN1::WHITBY (I know it all,just can't remember) Fri Jun 10 1988 20:54

    
    
    
    	O K, O K, OK, 
    
    	Now let me get this, 
    
    	What we have here is a failure to communicate! (HA!, love it!)
    
    	As you've all noticed, there have been several, if not, a whole
    	bunch of !@#$inthings said about !@#$GUITARS!@#$#GUITARS!@#@&^
    	GUITARS!@#!#@$!!!!!!!! (whew!)
    
    	Well, now we havthe one,  only, the first, the original,
    	the colassus, the 8th wonder of the world.....
    
    	:,() -- SHHUUUTTTT  UUUPP!!!!!!
    
    	Oops!
    
    	Hunkettes and Everybody else, I am proud to present,
    
    
    	               HM DRUMMERS GENERAL DISCUSSION
    
    
    
    	need I say more?.................if so, inquire within!
    
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102.1Well.........some one had to start! HA! ;'>RAVEN1::WHITBYI know it all,just can't rememberFri Jun 10 1988 21:0614
    
    
    
    	Let me explain somethin', due to phone interference I noticed
    	my previous page seems a little bit buzzzzzed, but don't let
    	that stop you from having a good time!
    
    	Well, right off the bat(drumstick, don't ya' just love it) I'd
    	have to say I like to see the styles of John Bonham and Neil Peart
    	put together and find me on the other side!!!
    
    	SW......eat it with drumsticks and call it a Chinese pastry!
    
    
102.2Moderator goes off the deep endUSHS08::DAVIS2You need wings to stay above it.Sat Jun 11 1988 03:4717
    
    	   I'm sorry, but as moderator of this conference I feel I
    	must put a stop to any attempts to discuss instruments
    	other than guitars and bass guitars.  Any other instruments
    	constitute a threat to corporate security which can not be
    	tolerated.  I can't have you guys running amok all over 
    	DEC tapping on things with those drumstick, then blaming 
    	it all on me because I let things go too far here.
    
    	   Besides, it's been several hours since I deleted a note,
    	and this seems like a convenient place to start... now...
    	let's see... should I delete .1?  .2?  No, that would be
    	counterproductive... I know, I'll delete .0, that way nobody
    	will know what they're talking about...(so what's new?)
    
    	-=[MOSAT]=-
    	(searching for the deeper truths of de Sade)
102.3ARE YOU SERIOUS??RAVEN1::WHITBYI know it all,just can't rememberSat Jun 11 1988 09:1616
    
    
    	Now, now...temper, temper, temper!
    
    	As we all know this is a HM conference and discussing HM drums,
    	I think would raise alot of controversy and new ideas. Now by
    	deleting .0 and having people guess what this topic is about,
    	would just cause more confusion and myself, I'm curious (that's
    	the cat in me) as to what people have to say about them(drums).
    	And I don't know of anybody that brings drumsticks to DEC and
    	beats on everything. I think you better discuss this with your
    	co-moderators and see what they think. :') At any rate, please
    	bear with us drummers and drum lovers, so as we too can have
    	our own fun also! Thank you and Good noght!! Ta-Daaaaaa!!
    
    	SW
102.4...ANGORA::SLABOUNTYA Momentary Lapse of ReasonSat Jun 11 1988 14:1013
        The title of this note was modified to something a little
        more than descriptive than was previously used (not that
        'Check It Out' wouldn't tell you exactly what the note
        intended to discuss). 8^)
    
        To put in a plug for Pete, check out YODA::DRUMS.  Hit 'KP7'
        to add to your notebook.
    
        But a discussion can go on here as well.
    
                                                        Shawn GTI
    
    
102.5Can't do without drums!CSC32::G_HOUSEGreg House - CSC/CSSat Jun 11 1988 14:276
    I personally don't think there would be much HM music without drums.
    They play a major part in it.  The 'heavy' driving backbeat is where
    the name comes from.  I can't imagine that much HM music would even
    exist without drums, they run the show.
    
    gh
102.6Mercy? Sure, why not...USHS01::DAVIS2You need wings to stay above it.Sat Jun 11 1988 23:0416
    
    	   Well... I'm still not sure about all this.  I thought I
    	heard soimeone tapping on the window with some drumsticks
    	yeaterday.  Shortly thereafter I saw large grease stains on
    	the window (that's how I new they were drumsticks... or maybe
    	thighs... but certainly not wings.)
    
    	   I guess I'll let note .0 stay for now.  It's against my
    	better judgement, but since you'd probably snivel and whine
    	if I really did delete it (and you know how I hate snivelling
    	and whining), I'll give you a break this time.  Just don't
    	be banging on my windows with those drumsticks any more.  It
    	ruins my view.
    
    	-=[MOSAT]=-
    	(somewhere north of Antartica)
102.7Buckwheat say'.o'tey'drummersWILVAX::BOURQUEHave you hugged your Drums today?Sun Jun 12 1988 07:0118
    Good topic,
    
    
    DRUMSDRUMSDRUMSDRUMSDRUMSDRUMSDRUMSDRUMSDRUMSDRUMSDRUMSDRUMMER
    
             Favorite Drummer(s) who influenced my playing...
    
            Tommie Alderedge....Bill Ward....Tommie Lee
    
    
                      + many more,.....
       Buckwheat say....
    
                         ROCK TE'Y THE BEAT
    
                                 JIM...TAMA            
    
                  
102.8IT SOUNDED JUST LIKE THUNDER!RAVEN1::WHITBYI know it all,just can't rememberMon Jun 13 1988 06:498
    
    
    	The Gods have spoken, it's official, we now have a HM drum topic!
    
    	Thank You Almighty Moderators, shall I sacrifice a Xxx Xxxxxxx
    	album as to show my graditude?
    
    	SW........no whining here, just beer! ;')
102.9my 2 cents worth ..RAVEN1::JERRYWHITENo contest your honor ...Mon Jun 13 1988 08:3926
    Yo Little Drumer Boy (SW),
    	You didn't think I would leave this one alone did you ???  Of
    course not !!  You ever noticed how in most bands when they do
    interviews, the drummers don't get to speak much ???  That's because
    they don't know the language very well, they are the linebackers
    of Heavy Metal, they beat on sh*t and call it music.   I'm just
    jerkin' your chain Steve, so settle down.  The power of HM drums
    is like the canvas that the guitar player paints on (I'll probably
    catch h*ll for that ..).  But if the rhythm isn't there, the picture
    isn't complete.  I don't think electronic drums have a place in
    HM, too refined for our tastes (unless you loose an arm ..).  I
    used to play drums before I found out that Marshalls are louder
    than drums and a h*ll of a lot easier to set up !!!  
    
    Here's a few of my favorite drummers (like anyone really cares !):
    
    	Tommy Lee - Motley Crue
    	Neil Pert - Rush
    	Steve Whitby - 2EZ (credit where it is due)
    	Alex VanHalen - VanHalen
    
    Thought for the day - "Double bass, or get outa the place !"
    
    
    				Mr Scary II
    
102.10oh oh, here comes the drum solo...HAZEL::STARRYou grow up and you calm downMon Jun 13 1988 09:0214
    OK, let's start some serious controversy here -
    
      How come, with very few exceptions (I can think of 2 - John Bonham
    and Neil Peart), drum solos are so incredibly boring? Obviously,
    this is just my opinion, but a serious one! It seems that most HM
    drum solos lack finesse, and just try and overpower you. Then of
    course you get the silly part where the drummer stops, gets the
    crowd to cheer along, and then starts a slow beat that speeds up
    as it progresses.
    
      It seems that there are very few drummers really breaking new
    ground out there. Why?
    
    cat
102.11No tricks with sticks.RAVEN1::JERRYWHITENo contest your honor ...Mon Jun 13 1988 09:198
    I think it's because drummers don't have as many "tricks" available
    as guitar players do, like feedback, hammer-on's, violin bows, tremolo
    units, and stuff like that.  They twirl their sticks and do double-bass
    rolls and that's about it.  I would rather hear some flashy drum
    work during the song rather than 15 minutes of mindless pounding,
    because it does sound repititious at best.

                  		Mr Scary II
102.12Drum Drumdrum drumdrumdrumdrumdrumdrum.....SUBURB::DALLISONThe mad axeman....Mon Jun 13 1988 09:5224
    
    I'm not a drummer, but here's few of the guys who have impressed
    me the most:                              
                                              
    Rick Allen - this guys courage to continue playing is unequalled
    by any other drummer's technique.  He's gotta be (considering his
    disability) the best drummer in the world.
    
    Cozy Powell - the guys been in two of the bands I admire the most:
    Whitesnake and Rainbow.  What can I say?          
                                                      
    Tommie Aldridge - When I saw Whitesnake he was amazing. Also, listen
    to his drum solo on Ozzy Osbourne's "Tribute" album.  Awsome.  The
    Project Driver album he did with MacAlpine/Rock/Sarzo was also very
    powerful too.                                           
                                                         
    Vinnie Apice - Having seen him live twice with Dio he still makes me 
    pleasantly deaf.                                              
                                              
    Tommie Lee - His best asset is (was) Heather Locklear
             
                                    
    -Yont
102.14Don't agree?? - sorry :-)SUBURB::DALLISONThe mad axeman....Mon Jun 13 1988 11:136
    
    Well, most musicians would have given up if they were in his
    predicament, not many people would have even thought about still
    playing the drums with one arm.  Def Leppard could easily have
    gone and recruited some well known, good drummer but instead they
    kept Rick Allen. Why?? Coz he's the best.
102.15Kickin' Rick !!!RAVEN1::JERRYWHITENo contest your honor ...Mon Jun 13 1988 11:2214
    I think a LOT has to be said for the boys of Def Leppard for waiting
    on Rick.  They missed out on some bucks, but they stuck by him,
    and I think that's great.  I think Steve will back me up on this
    statement, but I think that even though Rick's new drum kit sort
    of "plays itself" at times, somebody has to program it, or sequence
    it, or whatever it is you call it.  He comes up with some pretty
    tricky little rhythms on Hysteria, like "Rocket" or "Rock It" (?)
    and it's not that easy to copy.  Rick may not be the BEST, which
    is pure opinion, but he's got more heart than most metalheads, and
    to me, that speaks louder than 2 day long drum solos.
    
    
    
    					Mr Scary II 
102.17Talk about a worldly band!MARKER::BUCKLEYfast Paganini stuff can b a drag!Mon Jun 13 1988 12:536
    
    They may be childhood friends (they were all roughly 15 when the
    On Thru the Night lp came out ... look at the back cover photo!)
    but now, they all live very far apart from each other (rick in
    amsterdamm, someone else in Ireland, Steve slark in NYC...its
    crazy!).
102.18more about slick rickRAVEN1::WHITBYI know it all,just can't rememberMon Jun 13 1988 16:1523
    
    
    	Well, I agree with alot that has been said about Rick except
    	for the part that he's the best, if you look in Modern Drummer
    	(March '88) there are plenty more drummers with physical defects
    	and they're doing just as good as Rick in certain ways. It's
    	just that Def Lep, being who they are and what they represent,
    	has had more publicity and $$$ to do what they want. Am I wrong
    	or did I hear something about when the accident first happened
    	that the rest of the guys didn't even think about getting another
    	drummer, that they left that decision more or less up to Rick,
    	himself. Does that sound right? At any rate, with electronics
    	that are out, the possibilities are unlimited, which I don't
    	particullay care for,but I suppose if Neil Peart was to get
    	both legs and arms cut off that they would come up with kit
    	that would make him sound like everything was still there.
    	I guees the point I'm trying to make is that, if you really
    	wantit, I mean REALLY want it bad enough, there shouldn't 
    	nothin' in this world that can stop you! Except as we all know
    	MONEY, FUNDS, CASH, GREENBACKS, MULA, DENAIRO (sp?),LEARING
    	HOUSE SWEEPSTAKES!!
    
    	SW...........come sail away!!
102.19well isnt that special!WILVAX::BOURQUEHave you hugged your Drums today?Mon Jun 13 1988 17:1115
    
                   D..eranged

                   R..ocker
                               
                   U..nder

                   M..ental

                   S..tress             
                          ...Hearing whos good whos not,
                             Where are we..Where are they?
    
    
                                     Jim....Tama
102.20Those 2EZ boize sure stick together, eh ?SAMURI::COOPERI love my Rice Grinder !Thu Jun 16 1988 16:4218
    I gave up being a mediocre drummer to be a mediocre guitarist. 
    Besides, I kinda have a problem with women...
    
    I love them all !  Drummers sit to far back from the screamin' hordes
    for my taste...  Drummers can't put their foot up on the monitor
    and flail the snot outta the strings whilst bangin' your head...
    
    Steven P. Whitby is by far the greatest drummer I have ever known.
    Of course he is also the greatest friend and band-mate too...so
    I'm a little biased.
    
    Other drummers that I have noticed...
    
    Neil Peart
    Jerry White
    Tommy Lee
    Mick Brown
    
102.21where's my limo?RAVEN1::WHITBYI know it all,just can't rememberThu Jun 16 1988 18:2348
    
    
    	THANK YOU!, THANK YOU!,........Your to kind......THANK YOU!
    
    
    
    	
    	
    
    
    
    
    	First I would like thank the Academy for this award and the
    
    	all those crazy people who voted for me...........let's see..
    
    	.....uh.....I had a speech in my front pocket, but....uh.....
    
    	..oh well(heh-heh), I guess I'll just have to sing it........
    
    	1 anna 2 anna 3 anna.........Who the hell keeps calling Anna?
    
    	1, 2, 3, " Momma had a squeezebox.......Daddy never slept at
    
    	night!"  Thank You and Good night!!!!
    
    
    
    	Meanwhile.........backstage...............hmmmmmmm.........
    
    	Wait!, what is that, Is Steve handing Jeff a bag....and look
    
    	......Find Out!.....What happens next?........In the new issue
    
    	of " 'EAVY METEL HAPPENING'S )!!!!!!!
    
    
    
    
    	as you can tell my head isN'T SWELLING AT ALL!!
    
    
    	thanks for the shot of confidence Jeff
    
    	SW.........o (before) O (after).. HA!:')  ( that's me with my,
    
    	get this,...HA!-HAT on! )
    
102.26Tom BassSYSENG::FORTNEYMon Jun 20 1988 10:1310
    Maybe you drummers can fill me in on this. Why does everybody think
    Tommy Lee is such a great drummer?? Please shed light on my ignorance.
    By the way this might be interesting to a few. I used to go to school
    with Tommy ( real name Tom Bass ) watching him in the back of the
    school band playing those big kettle type drums was funny but ya
    gotta start somewhere. Just to think were he is now. His early band
    ( I think it was called Suite 19 or something) used to play backyard
    parties for us.
    
    -Rey
102.27I'd be throwing up!REGENT::GALLANTTouched by a tiger's rage...Mon Jun 20 1988 10:448
    
    
    	I'm not a drummer, but I  know why *I* think Tommy's a good
    	drummer.....could *you* still play the drums while tumbling
    	all about upside down and the like???
    
    	/tig
    
102.28Flashdance with double-basses.RAVEN1::JERRYWHITEOpinion Set HiddenMon Jun 20 1988 10:498
    Tommy Lee (IMO) is more flash than talent.  But flash is a talent
    too.  He's fun to watch, and in todays market, the world is FULL
    of talented musicians, but it's the one's that have talent and a
    gimmick that get the attention.  He keeps it simple while he flashes
    and dazzles ........... 
    
    
    					Mr Scary II
102.29Who said that ?NINJA::COOPERBag it Mr. Boo-Boo!Mon Jun 20 1988 10:517
    Jerry, (and I qoute)
    
    "Drummers are just time-keepers for real musicians..."
    

    Agagagagagagagagagaaaaaa
    
102.31I like him anyways...REGENT::GALLANTTouched by a tiger's rage...Mon Jun 20 1988 11:147
    
    
    	I didn't say that it was hard, I just said that *I* 
    	couldn't do it!  ICK!  Barfin' all over de place!
    
    	/tig
    
102.32Upside down ?NINJA::COOPERBag it, Mr. Boo-Boo!Mon Jun 20 1988 12:567
    RE: .30
    
    Yo Pete, sorry man, you asked for this...
    
    How you gonna fit your drum-kit-hoist into Chets ?
    
    ;^)
102.34Paiste ! Whoa...NINJA::COOPERBag it, Mr. Boo-Boo!Mon Jun 20 1988 14:039
    Yo Pete,
    
    Sounds like a hot set-up !  Don't let Stevie hear you say that about
    Paiste.  I mentioned them once, and I thought he was gonna kill
    me !
    
    Have you been to Chets to scope it out ?  You might wanna...
    
    JC
102.35Sabian is a REAL cymbal!PFLOYD::ROTHBERGand now, no. 1, the horse chestnutMon Jun 20 1988 16:234
                
                Paiste . . . ugh . . .
                
102.36A non-drummers opinion (i know, who cares?!)ERASER::BUCKLEYYo, the MESSIAH by GFH Kicks total ass!Mon Jun 20 1988 16:287
    
    I like the sound of Paiste's
    
    They have a nice midrange quality to them.
    
    Zildjian (sp???) are too siblant!
    Buck
102.40Bang a gong ...RAVEN1::JERRYWHITEBig Brother's watching youSat Sep 24 1988 01:2412
    re: 37	How about "Drums "R" Us" !!!
    
    What do you drummers think about "China Boy" cymbals (I think that's
    what ya call 'em), ya know the upside down jobs that sound like
    a pot lid ???    When I saw DLR, his drummer had 1 on either side
    of his kit and he used 'em quite a bit.   Sounded good for him but
    I've also heard other drummers use them and it sounded like they
    were naming Korean babies !!
    
    
    				Mr Scary II 
    
102.41ANT::SLABOUNTYDo u wanna bump and grind with me?Fri Feb 10 1989 07:178
    
        I was watchin' Johnny Carson last night, and one of his guests
        was an 8-year old jazz drummer.  Anyone else see it?
    
        This kid was f***in' great!!
    
                                                       GTI
    
102.42DASXPS::BOURQUEThe Dream Master_____236-2099Fri Feb 10 1989 08:418
    Shawn 2 weeks ago he was on a sho called (I think) Fabulous Sunday,
    
    He was on a 12 piece Kit. they said he started I believe at 31 months
    
    old...I'll tell ya I was **SHOCKED**~~!!!!
    
    
    general
102.43wundrkidRICKS::MINARDIRide the LightningFri Feb 10 1989 09:178
That was like what I saw on Star Search a couple years ago.
    There was this band on from So. Cal., and the drummer was
    like this 13 year-old blond boy, playing this huge kit, and 
    not only was he an incredible drummer, he also was spinning
    the sticks and pulling off all of these cool tricks ala Tommy
    Lee. I was amazed.
    
    /Motorbreath
102.44PFLOYD::ROTHBERGFetch me... the comfy chair!!!Fri Feb 10 1989 17:4215
                
                
                Re: .42
                
                I saw  that!    Pretty  intense.   If he was alot
                older, I wouldn't have been impressed at all, but
                MAN, for his age . . .
                
                I can imagine what  he's  going  to sound like in
                ten years!
                
                - Rob -
                
                
102.45For your eyes onLY :-'LUDWIG::LAMOTHEJust Say NO....to DRUGSWed Apr 12 1989 23:4449
    
    
               DON'T MISS OUT !!!!!
    
    
      A  DRUM  CLINIC   WITH   Tommy  Aldridge
    
                                    of
    
    
                                WhiteSnake
    
    
    
    
    When  and Where ????
    
    
                     April 17-th  at 7:30 p.m.
    
    
       The Little Theatre - Worcester  Auditorium
    
    
    
     Tommy Aldridge, rock drummer with the group Whitesnake, is coming
    to Worc. to conduct a drum clinic exclusively for Kurlan Music &
    Yamaha Drums Inc.  
    
     Tommy got his first break in the early '70's with Black Oak Arkansas
    and has since performed with Pat Travers, Gary Moore, Vinnie Moore,
    Ozzy Osbourne, and Whitesnake.
    
    
    
     Ticket's are $7.oo for the clinic....can be purchased at kurlan's
    or that day at the door for $10.00 .
    
    
    
      See Ya ,
    
    
    
     Sax   WhO_LiKeS_YaMaHa_KeYbOaRdS_BuT_LoVeS_HiS_PEARL SET !!!
    
    
    
                     
102.46PFLOYD::ROTHBERGI want a Corvette!!!Thu Apr 13 1989 18:388
                
                $10 to see that idiot?!?!?!?  Yeah, right.
                
                Rob who  HAS  Pearl  drums  and a Yamaha keyboard
                (DX7).  :`)
                
                
102.47it's just not music....it's a businessLUDWIG::LAMOTHEJust Say NO....to DRUGSThu Apr 13 1989 21:2624
    
    
     But Rob WHY ??!??  is he an Idiot ???
    
    
    Just curious.....
    
     Anyway, I am not going....I just wanted everyone to know in case
    they were interested.
    
    
    
    
    Sax   WHo_DoEs_NoT_NeEd_DrUm_LeSsOnS_BuT_GiVeS_LeSsOnS...._oN_
    
           SaX :: ClArInEt:: DrUmS 
    
    
    I do play other instruments too, but do not give lessons.
                                                              
    ;')
    
    
    
102.48PFLOYD::ROTHBERGI can't afford a Corvette :`(Fri Apr 14 1989 12:0518
                
                Like the  male  organ???   :`)x100 Just kidding!!
                HA!
                
                Anyway, I'm not going to get into another debate.
                It just comes down  to  personal  preference once
                again.  I think the  guy has done some good work,
                but  nothing  great.    Certainly  nothing  worth
                paying  $10 to see.  I got  to  see  Carmine  and
                Vinnie  together  for less than that (actually, I
                wouldn't have wasted the cost of the gas if I had
                known  how  bad  they were going to be).  Now  if
                Neil  Peart  or  Dave  Weckl  were to do a clinic
                around here ...
                
                - Rob -
                
102.49RAVEN1::WHITBYWe r knights of the Metaltable!Fri Apr 21 1989 03:5813
    
    
    
    	I kinda agree with Rob, if you're gonna pay the money, it'
    	better be someone you wanna see instead of paying for some-
    	one's name. Even though I'd like to see Tommy A., but that's
    	besides the point. And as if these guys are'nt greedy enough
    	they make tapes for people to buy and they still go out and
    	ask for more money.
    
    
    	Hollywood..............I'd like to be in them shoes!
    
102.50[ON SOLOING]RAVEN1::PERRYFri Jun 30 1989 00:0718
             FOLKS,I have to say that I LOVE THIS SUBJECT and thanks
    Steve for inputting it. Now for 102.10,Soloing for some drummers
    is [regrettably] a boring way to make noise while the rest of the
    band rests.BUT,a lot of drummers (MYSELF INCLUDED),like to do a
    solo and put a lot of time and energy into it.In my opinion some
    guitar solos are boring and tasteless but then others,(such as 
    EDDIE V/H'S ERUPTION,SPANISH FLY,anything by JOE SATRIANI,the intro
    to AM I EVIL,and so on),leave much to the imagination as to what's
    next in the H/M future.So give us a break.Some drummers who suck
    on an album might blow your socks off live and vice versa.And for
    102.45,all I have to say is THANK YOU for the honorable mention
    of PEARL equipment. 
                       A happy soloist (and Scary will back me up.)
                                             K
                                               T
                                                 S.
    
    
102.51RAVEN1::JERRYWHITEHindsight is always 20/20 !Fri Jun 30 1989 00:305
    Yup, let me crank something around F sharp and beware of splintered
    stix !
    
    
    				Scary
102.52PFLOYD::ROTHBERGI'm not a witch at all...Thu Nov 16 1989 22:1011
                Anybody familiar  with  a drum school in Everett?
                I forget what it's called, but I'm supposed to be
                starting Latin lessons next week.
                
                - Rob -
                
                Opinions welcome (on the  drum  school, not about
                me :') )
                
                
102.53USCTR1::EDEGAGNEThey're only good for one thingFri Nov 17 1989 10:366
    
    The Performance Guitar Store in Woburn has some real good teachers
    for not only drumming but everything.  One drum instructor is Jonathan
    Mover (GTR, etc).
    
    Mr. Ed...
102.54la cucarachaBINKLY::MINARDIBlessed in contemptFri Nov 17 1989 11:025
    Robdude,
    	Does this mean that the LIMBO will be an additional 
    activity at our next HM/Jam party???
    
    /Motorbreath
102.55PFLOYD::ROTHBERGI am Elmer J Fudd: Millionaire...Fri Nov 17 1989 12:4010

                The Limbo?!?!?  Right... :')
                
                Nah, we'll  have  to  do  a  Chick Corea tune.  I
                should  have  Dave  Weckl  down  by  Christmas...
                (sure...)
                
               That would be a trick...
                
102.56CHEFS::DALLISONWith your G-string tuned to AMon Nov 20 1989 03:467
    
    Any guitarists out their use a drum machine to practise/write with??
    
    I just bought A Roland TR606 (not Midi compatable), its the gnads!!
    Great for improvising with and writing new stuff.                 
    
    -Tony
102.57HAZEL::STARRWe're beating plowshares into swords...Mon Nov 20 1989 09:3423
>    Any guitarists out their use a drum machine to practise/write with??

Yeah, I do. Since its real expensive to have a drummer live in your house and 
be on 24-hour call for when you get inspired, I find it easier to own a drum 
machine. 

I noticed several things when using it. 

First, its *very* difficult to think like a drummer (and I mean that as a 
compliment). I don't have their natural rhythm when I program stuff in - I 
tend to just put down very simple beats, and then let them expand up on it 
when they try and play the song.

Also, it tends to help my timing when playing the guitar - the drum machine 
doens't compensate if I screw up, like a real drummer will. It makes me *have* 
to pay attention!

And, its damn convenient. With the push of a couple buttons, and with 
no setup time, I have some sort of rhythm that I can work with. Many times, 
I'll just program in a beat, and then play along with that for ideas (I'll get 
inspired from a cool beat).

alan
102.58CHEFS::DALLISONWith your G-string tuned to AMon Nov 20 1989 10:3121
      
    I use it to sorta measure speed too.
                             
    I'll play a run at a slow speed with a slow 4/4 beat, and if I can
    play it squeaky clean 5 times, I'll notch it up a bit faster. then
    I'll try and play it very clean another 5 times, until I finally
    get to the point where I can't play it cleanly, any faster. Then,
    I concentrate on what fingering I'm using and the pick strokes I'm
    using (should I sweep that section or is it more appropriate to
    just use alternate picking). I then continue to play it cleanly on 
    the fastest speed I can, until I get enough guts up to notch the
    machine up one more 8^) Great fun.
      
    I know what you mean though Alan - about no being able to think
    like a drummer. I've got some great ideas for stuff but when it
    came to putting the rhythm section down with the machine, it sounded
    like someone rattling about in the kitchen ! awful 8^)
      
    Nevermind, practise makes perfect 8^)
                                         
    -T                                   
102.59USCTR1::KGALLANTDiamond shinin' bright in the rainMon May 14 1990 19:2074
    
    	Okay drum masters out there.. I have a bit of a quiz for ya!
    	Shawnola- feel free to move this to a Trivia topic if this
    	isn't deemed appropriate for this particular topic. (8
    
    
    
    	1.  He played briefly with Atomic Rooster and Hawkwind.
    	    With what band did this legendary drummer become famous?
    
    	BONUS:  This guy got so famous, he was able to make his name
    	a prefix for two somewhat materalistic group names.  Name the groups.
    
    	2.  Who was the drummer with the Iguanas, and with what band
    	    did he finally come to prominence with?
    
    	3.  With what band is drummer Les Binks associated with?
    
    	4.  In the early '60s, actor Dudley Moore, a fine pianist
    	    in his own right, led a jazz trio.  What rock superstar
    	    was the drummer?
    
    	5.  Which of the following bands was Cozy Powell NOT in:
    	    Whitesnake; MSG; Black Sabbath; ELP; Thin Lizzy; Blue
    	    Murder; Jeff Beck Group; Rainbow; Gary Moore?
    
    	6.  Which of the following bands was Carmine Appice NOT in:
    	    Ted Nugent; DNA; Cactus; Beck, Bogart and Appice; Black
    	    Oak Arkansas; Blue Murder;  Vanilla Fudge; Rod Stewart Band.
    
    	BONUS: In which movie did Carmine play the drummer in a satanic
    	rock band?
    
    	7.  What superstar band featured, at one time or another, the
    	    following drummers:  Aynsley Dunbar, Cozy Powell, Ian Paice,
    	    and Tommy Aldridge?
    
    	8.  This ground-breaking female drummer used no bass drum and
    	    typically played standing up.  She played with one of rock's
    	    most influential bands.  Name her and the band.
    	
    	9.  This drummer originally planned on following his father's
    	    example and becoming a tennis pro.  Name him.
    
    	BONUS:  Okay, that was easy.  Now name the brand of drums he
    	endorses.
    
    	10.  What band was Nicko McBrain in just prior to Iron Maiden?
    
    	11.  Match the drummer with the band he's most famous for:
    
    
    	1.  Artimus Pyle		A.  Queen
    	2.  Nick Mason			B.  Kix
    	3.  Phil Taylor			C.  Bad Company
    	4.  Corky Laing			D.  Black Sabbath
    	5.  Mitch Mitchell		E.  The Clash
    	6.  Rat Scabies			F.  Armored Saint
    	7.  Jimmy Chalfant		G.  Lynyrd Skynyrd
    	8.  John Densmore		H.  Danzig
    	9.  Simon Kirke			I.  The Faces
    	10. Gonzo			J.  Motorhead
    	11. Kenney Jones		K.  Scorpions
    	12. Topper Headon		L.  Jimi Hendrix Experience
    	13. Bill Ward			M.  The Doors
    	14. Roger Taylor		N.  Pink Floyd
    	15. Tigg Ketler			O.  Mountain
    	16. Chuck Biscuits		P.  The Damned
    	17. Herman Rareball		Q.  Bang Tango
    
    
    	Have at it!
    
    	Tigga~~~
102.60Time!RAVEN1::B_ADAMSI feel the need for SPEED!Mon May 14 1990 21:263
    re-1,
    	  I give up! Who? When? Why?  :*)
    B.A.
102.61I'll take the easy ones! 8^)NAVIER::STARRHarmonica VirginsMon May 14 1990 22:4126
>    	11.  Match the drummer with the band he's most famous for:
    
    
1.  Artimus Pyle - G.  Lynyrd Skynyrd
2.  Nick Mason - N.  Pink Floyd
3.  Phil Taylor - J.  Motorhead
4.  Corky Laing - O.  Mountain
5.  Mitch Mitchell - L.  Jimi Hendrix Experience
6.  Rat Scabies - P.  The Damned
8.  John Densmore - M.  The Doors
9.  Simon Kirke - C. Bad Company
11. Kenney Jones - I.  The Faces
12. Topper Headon - E.  The Clash
13. Bill Ward - D.  Black Sabbath
14. Roger Taylor - A.  Queen
17. Herman Rareball - K.  Scorpions


These are the ones I'm not sure of........

7.  Jimmy Chalfant		B.  Kix
10. Gonzo			F.  Armored Saint
15. Tigg Ketler			H.  Danzig
16. Chuck Biscuits		Q.  Bang Tango

alan
102.62USCTR1::KGALLANTDiamond shinin' bright in the rainTue May 15 1990 09:086
    
    
    	Well I'd answer one of them but since I already peeked at
    	the answers, I won't.
    
    	TIGGa~~~  (;
102.63MILKWY::SLABOUNTYAudiophiles do it 'til it hertz!Tue May 15 1990 11:477
    
    	Tigg Ketler is from Bang Tango.
    
    	[Is this the one you were going to answer? 8^)]
    
    							GTI
    
102.64USCTR1::KGALLANTDiamond shinin' bright in the rainTue May 15 1990 12:089
    
    	RE: -1
    
    	Hee hee... YUP.  (8
    
    	I'll go home tonight and check the answers since I left
    	the book on my desk there.  (8
    	
    	Tigga~~~
102.65USCTR1::KGALLANTSlowly wishes turn to sadness...Wed May 16 1990 09:397
    
    	RE: .61
    
    	My word!!  I'm impressed.  Pick any stuffed animal from the
    	top row.  (8
    
    	Tigga~~~
102.67USCTR1::KGALLANTSlowly wishes turn to sadness...Wed May 16 1990 12:536
    
    	RE: -1
    
    	Nope.  Try again.
    
    	Tigga~~~
102.69PEKING::GERRYTWed May 16 1990 12:584
    
    Thin Lizzy would be my guess.
    
    Flip
102.70USCTR1::KGALLANTGive me a shot of pure desire...Wed May 16 1990 13:045
    
    
    	Thin Lizzy is right. Dingdingdingdingding! (8
    
    	Tigga~~~
102.71PEKING::GERRYTWed May 16 1990 13:064
    
    7 = Whitesnake ?
    
    
102.72USCTR1::KGALLANTGive me a shot of pure desire...Wed May 16 1990 13:449
    
    
    	RE: -1
    
    	Yip. 
    
    	Keep going!!
    
    	Tigga~~~~
102.73NAVIER::STARRHarmonica VirginsWed May 16 1990 13:5328
More guesses:

>    	1.  He played briefly with Atomic Rooster and Hawkwind.
>    	    With what band did this legendary drummer become famous?

Phil Taylor of Motorhead? I think he was in Hawkwind.....

>    	6.  Which of the following bands was Carmine Appice NOT in:
>    	    Ted Nugent; DNA; Cactus; Beck, Bogart and Appice; Black
>    	    Oak Arkansas; Blue Murder;  Vanilla Fudge; Rod Stewart Band.

Black Oak Arkansas.

>    	BONUS: In which movie did Carmine play the drummer in a satanic
>    	rock band?

Dan, I've seen this movie, but I can't remember what it was! Arrrrgh!!!!

>    	8.  This ground-breaking female drummer used no bass drum and
>    	    typically played standing up.  She played with one of rock's
>    	    most influential bands.  Name her and the band.

Who's that woman that plays percussion for Pink Floyd? She's from the Boston 
area.....

Either that, or maybe they're thinking of Shiela E.?

alan
102.75HITMAN::KGALLANTPray for us on the Wild Side...Wed May 16 1990 17:058
    
    
    	RE: -1
    
    	Maybe he was but that's not the answer the book is looking
    	for... try again. (8
    
    	tigga~~~
102.76A GuessCOMET::FERRISMSeven second dance of deathWed May 16 1990 18:039
    
    I have a guess,
    
    Played with Atomic Rooster and Hawkwind?  I know for a fact 
    Carl Palmer was with Atomic Rooster, later to form ELP. Is that
    the answer?
    
                  mike
    
102.77What a junk movie.RAVEN1::BUTKUSSniffing rancid buns of angels.Thu May 17 1990 02:586
    
    
    	BONUS: Carmine Appice was in the movie Black Roses.
    
    	M
    	 B
102.78USCTR1::KGALLANTGive me a shot of pure desire...Thu May 17 1990 09:267
    
    
    	I'm in a class for the next couple of days but I've got
    	the book with me.  I'll try to get in here at lunch to
    	post what answers are right and wrong.
    
    	tigga~~~
102.79USCTR1::KGALLANTParadise dream stealer...Tue May 22 1990 20:5946
>    	1.  He played briefly with Atomic Rooster and Hawkwind.
>    	    With what band did this legendary drummer become famous?

Phil Taylor of Motorhead? I think he was in Hawkwind.....

    	NOPE.
    
	6.  Black Oak Arkansas
    
    	Yup.
    
>    	BONUS: In which movie did Carmine play the drummer in a satanic
>    	rock band?

Dan, I've seen this movie, but I can't remember what it was! Arrrrgh!!!!

    	Dan?!  no.  Tigg.  (8  nyah nyah...want a hint? (8
    
    	RE: Mike Butkus
    	>BONUS: Carmine Appice was in the movie Black Roses.
    
    	YUP!
    
>Who's that woman that plays percussion for Pink Floyd? She's from the Boston 
>area.....

    	I dunno.  But I can't tell ya because then I'd give away the
    	answer! (8
    
>Either that, or maybe they're thinking of Shiela E.?

    	Nope.  Not Sheila E.
    
	RE: Mike Ferris

>    Played with Atomic Rooster and Hawkwind?  I know for a fact 
>    Carl Palmer was with Atomic Rooster, later to form ELP. Is that
>    the answer?
 
    
    	Unh-uh... keep guessing!
    
    
	tigga~~~~    
    	M
    	 B
102.80CAVLRY::BUCKHearts of the Wild!Fri May 15 1992 17:091
    Drummers are a dime a dozen!
102.81CAVLRY::BUCKHearts of the Wild!Fri May 15 1992 17:438
    >    How many drummers does it take to change a light bulb?
    

        
    2,000
    
    
    1 to change the light bulb and 1,999 to say "I could have done it better!"
102.83KDX200::COOPERStep UP to the RACK !Fri May 15 1992 18:505
How can you tell when a drummer knocks on your door ??

(s)He speeds ups.

Wagagagagagagagaga -Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
102.84fyiFRETZ::HEISERraise your voice in shouts of joyWed Mar 24 1993 17:3847
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From: [email protected] (L Clator Butler Jr)
Subject: Damned Drummers
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I have seen people talking about getting a machine and not dealing with
the ego problems.

*applauds the idea*

You may be interested in this data.

Last semester, for my Experimental Psychology class, I set up a survey
of recorded music.  The subjects listened to a tape recorded on 8-track
in which the only difference was the drumming: one tape contained live
drumming and the other contained a sequenced pattern the same as the
live track played on a drum machine.

Subjects were played the tape blindedly; i.e. they did not know if they
were listening to tape A or tape B.  Then, subjects were asked to rank
the tape on a likert scale in terms of Musical complexity, musical
precision, and musical appeal.

After this, the subjects were played the tape which they had not yet
heard and were asked to guess which was live and which was electronic.
The data not only showed no significant perceived difference between
Drummers and drum machines, but the data was so perfectly uniform (my
professor and I ran this more than once to make sure we were not
mistaken) that the results boasted NO PERCEIVED DIFFERENCE between
drummers and drum machines.

For a complete text of my APA paper, write [email protected].

Don't bother flaming me, this is just the scientific facts.

--Clator






102.85KDX200::ROBRThe adventures of Letterman!Thu Mar 25 1993 03:273
    
    now try that at a concert :')
    
102.86Drums has moved...ICS::CLELANDGPS easternMon Aug 21 1995 15:189
    	For assistance to anyone who may be searching for the conference:
    
    	According to TURRIS::EASYNET_CONFERENCES, topic # 1603, the
    	Drums conference has moved to node axpbiz.
    
    	How do you tell if someone is a drummer?
    	They keep trying to resolve the address for node ESGWST...
    
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