Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    
    Yngwie - Little Savage
    anything by Brian May of Queen
    Frenzy - Racer X
    
    Buck

    Not too metallish, but my fav guitar solo:
    
    "Crossroads" - Cream ('Clapton is God')
    
    and there is a ton more besides that....too many to pick from...
    
    Alan S.

    Well..how_about:
    
           Black Sabbaths..symtome of the univers..Tony Iommie
    
           Ozzy...........Bark at the moon........Jake E. Lee
    
           Metal Church...god of wrath...........??????????????
    
           the trooper.. I R O N  M A D E N .....MURRY..SMITH
    
    
    
    
    
                                      JUST A FEW,
    
                                            JIM...TAMA

    Intruder - Van Halen
    I'm the One - Van Halen 
    The Full Bug - Van Halen
    Ah Hell! I love just about everything Eddie did with Van Halen
    (not to be confused with Van Hagar)
    
    Anything Mathias Jabs does.
    almost anything George Lynch does.
    Just about everythin Randy Rhoads did.
    
    
    the devil dog sez "Have you seen jr's grades?"
    or did someone else say it?

    Anthing Iron Maiden does!  Murders in the Rue Morgue 
                               Phantom of the Opera, etc
    
    Anything Guns 'n' Roses does!
    
    Philippa

    How about Foghat's "I Just Wanna Make Love To You"
    
    Chris D.

    ANYTHING  JEFF BECK has ever done
    frank+dweesle Zappa-sharrleena live
    Warren DeMartini-Back for more[367 notes a second toward the end]

    Oh yeah, forgot about Jeff Beck - 
    
    "Cause We Ended as Lovers" 
    
    One of the only instrumental songs that could make you cry....
    
    Alan S.

    Both of the two solos Randy Rhodes did in "Mr. Crowley" just blow
    me away.  Also "Revelation Mother Earth".
    
    The George Lynch one someone was referring to was probably "Mr.
    Scary", awesome!
    
    Also, just about anything Steve Vai does/did and just about anything
    from Joe Satriani.
    
    gh

    
    
    ALL of John Sykes work on Whitesnake's "Still Of The Night".
                                                                
    ALL of John Sykes work on Whitesnake's "Bad Boys".          
    
    Most of George Lynch's solo's.
    
    EVH's tapping intro on "Hot for Teacher".
                                             
                                             
    -Tony

    I have that little spot in my heart for anything Joe Perry does,
    but aside from that...
    
    Did anybody (yeah, right!) see that first instrumental song Steve
    Vai did at the DLR show a couple of months ago?  Words would have
    destroyed it.
    
    I'm crazy about George Lynch's work.  The boy's got FEEL!
    
    Can't think of anything else off the top of my head, but that Steve
    Vai thing was really outstanding.
    
    (And lets' not forget Joe, wouldn't want him to feel left out!)
    
    Stacie
    

    
        RE: Steve Vai
    
            I saw DLR in Providence ... when Steve started the solo
            for 'Hot Dog and a Shake', I was up out of my seat and
            'playing' along with him.  Quite the incredible solo.
    
                                                          Shawn GTI
    

    
    Buck Dharma from BOC.His solo on "aint got you" off the on your
    feet ... album brilliant...........
    Angus Young "the jack" and "let there be rock" both from the live
    album.
    Finally it might not be metal but Jimi Hendrix's solo on "voodoo
    chile slight return" .
    
    steve.
    

    How about these for scorchers:                                 
                                  1.VAI-BLUE POWDER                
                                  2.QUEENSRYCHE-QUEEN OF THE REICH 
                                  3.VAN HALEN-MEAN STREET [INTRO]  
                                  4.HEAR N AID-STARS               
                                  5.ZAPPA-WHIPPIN POST             
                                  6.LYNCH-LIGHTNING STRIKES        
                                                                   
                          Try jammin to these it'll keep you on your
                                   toes!!!                         
                                           JAY
    

    What album is "Blue Powder" on?  I haven't heard of that one (yet).
    
    gh

    greg,
    
      I don't know if it is on an album or not, but I have it on a 
    flexi-disk from Guitar Player magazine. It was included to show
    off the versatility of the Carver amp. I don't remember what issue
    it was (maybe about a year or two ago). I thinkit also had a
    cover story on Vai, just about when 'Eat 'Em and Smile' came out.
    
    cat

    Thanks Alan!
    
    Oh yeah, I think I remember that, didn't he talk a little too? 
    Incidently it was Carvin, not Carver.  I'll have to dig out the
    old GP issues & soundpages.
    
    Gh
    

    
    Solo's to make your ears thank you.
    Attitude Song - Steve Via
    Have A Drink On Me - AC/DC
    Black Diamond - Kiss
    Rock Soldiers - Ace Frehly
    Daydream - Vinnie Moore
    Boots - Megadeth
    Leper Messiah - Metallica
    Shoot U Full Of Love - Vinnie Vincent
    In My Dreams - George Lynch
    Ambitious(sp?) - Jeff Beck
    Peter Gunn - Roy Buchanan(non metal Heavy Blues)
    
    					M
    					 B
    
    
    

    
        Makin' Love - Kiss
    
                              kicks some serious butt!!
    
                                                       Shawn L.
    

    That Lynch song mentioned at the very start of this note would'nt
    happen to be Paris is Burning from their first album would it, because
    it should definitly be recognized.
    
    I also think Ted Nuggent should get an honorable mention here.
    
    What about some of Pink Floyds material.
    
    				KER of digital

    re: .21
    
    >What about some of Pink Floyd's material.
    
    In H_M Guitar Solo's ???   Agagagagagagaga !  Maybe solo you couldn't
    hear it.  Floyd's stuff os OK but I don't see Vai/Lynch/Brata/Scary
    getting worried when PF's guitarist (can't think of his name ..)
    get's crankin'.  Just an opinion mind you .............
    
    
    			Mr Scary II

       Floyds the balz.  Jerry, if you like operation Mindcrime, you ought
       to listen to Floyd some more, especially The Wall, and Wish You Were
       Here...  they are both conceptual and truely awesome.  You should
       also check out the movie.
       
       jc

    
    PF is pretty good, but the comparisons between the wall and Opertaion
    Mindcrime stop at the fact they're both concept lp's (IMO).
    
    Buck

       Operation mindcrime is a cross between PF and Iron Maiden...
       
       IMO

    
    
    		I have to add my opinion in here
    		do you really think David Gilmour(Floyd's guitarist)
    		is worried when he hears a Vai or Lynch SOLO....
    		HHHHAAAAAAAAHHHH........what a joke, he pratically wrote
    		the book and these guys read it and improvised and added
    		to it  RULE # 1:: PINK FLOYD kicks ass  and Gilmour's
    		leads are more than just leads, they're compositions
    		with a bit of magical aroa to them!!!!!
    
    		also what about   WHOLE LOT OF LOVE SOLO.....ZEP.
    			  and     LIVE SUICIDE SOLUTION (TRIBUTE TO
    				  RANDY RHOADS SOLO).........OZZ.
    			  and     YNGWIE's SOLO's (he's all solo)
    			
    
    							JAM

        RE: 'Cam'
    
                  Well, I wouldn't really call the "Whole Lotta Love"
                  'solo' a solo, but more like a series of 'licks'.
                  Probably some kind of Pentatonic scale,and definitely
                  nothing to write home about (especially if U live
                  there already).  8^)
    
                  Did Pink Floyd ever include a guitar solo in any of
                  their songs?  I've been trying to think of one but
                  I keep coming up empty.
    
                  Randy Rhoads ... now you're talking guitar.  From
                  what I remember of it that's a good solo, but I'll
                  probably go back and listen again.
    
                                                       GTI

    
    
    		RE:-2
    			TONY,
    				read 97.22 and understand that i was
    		just turning the finger around and pointing it at 
    		Vai and Lynch and laughing at the what 97.22 wrote
    		about how guitarist like Vai and Lynch aren't impressed
    		or worried about Pink Floyd's solos....well,vice-a-versa.
    
    		and     SHAWN,
    				Do you listen to Floyd?? Gilmour almost
    		always throws a solo into their tunes..... i can name
    		a few if you want.....PIGS,Turning Away,Money,Shine
    		on you crazy Diamond,Dogs,Learning to Fly....ect. ect.
    				whats this about Zep. W.L.O.LOVE Solo??
    		i'm not a guitar wizard but thats a solo (or a bunch
    		of licks) which ever you prefer to call it,if i ever
    		heard one. That is some heavy sh*t! go home and crank
     		it up w/ headphones and tell me that wasn't way ahead
    		of it's time. i think Jimmy Page broke new ground with
    		that guitar lick,are we talking about the same solo???
                if that doesn't satisfie you, how bout Communication
    		Breakdown Solo (the first speed riff!!)
    				i'm glad you agree with R.RHOADS solo
    		effort in the live version of Suicide Solution though,
    		yes, definitely take another listen and appreciate
    		R.RHOADS as he should be remembered...
    
    							JAM

    
    		alright, enough has been said and your probably
    		right!!!! OKAY steve and george are the all mighty
    		metal masters and david is just another guitar player
    		who can't play a heavy lead if he wanted to (IYO)
    							JAM

    RE - a few back.  Floyd's music to me (IMO) is about a 6 on a 10
    scale anyway.  And as far as leads go, Gilmore is a glorified rhythm
    guitarist, forget leads, let alone any worthy of THIS note.  They're
    just *barely* metal if ya get right down to it !
    
    
    
    				Scary

    
    		OKAY, i have to apologize for getting out of hand
    	over David Gilmour's guitar playing, it seems i might have
    	gotten a little confused between leads and solos, they are
    	two different things, right?? a solo is a solo and now that
    	i think about it, none of Floyd's tunes have an actual guitar
    	solo in them that i know of!! besides, like i said before
    	and i know alot of you people probably feel this way to,P.FLOYD
    	IS NOT A HEAVY METAL group, so what the f*ck, over!!!!!!!!!!!
    
                                                JAM
    		P.S. i know this probably sounds like i'm trying
    		to lay the blame on someone else but if you look
    		back into this note, you'll notice that i wasn't the
    		one to intially bring P.FLOYD into this note, i was
    		just the one who was adding to what was already said.
    		maybe just a wee........bit out of context though.
    						

    
    Re JAM.
    
    You're not toatlly out of line.  I think the album the wall might
    have had an effect on modern day bands to incorperate orchestrial
    sounds in the tunes.  For example Operation : Mindcrime at times
    reminds me of the wall....some of the errie hypnotic sounds they
    get.
    
    Bk
    

    
    	re bk.
    
    		Tnx alot, all i know is i like Heavy Metal and i like
    	Pink Floyd, even though they are two different things, i think
    	that there is some kind of connection there... influence is
    	key!!
    		okay, back to THE BEST H.M. GUITAR SOLO.....
    
    	I got another i can't go wrong with this one.......
    
    				METAL HEART by ACCEPT!!!!!!!!
    	Now that tune has an awesome solo in it, check it out!!!!!!
    
    						JAM

    
    Re: Metal Heart
    
    Hmm, sounds amazing like Fer Elise to me!

    
        RE: Cam
    
                 I LOVE the solo in 'Metal Heart'!!  Probably the best
                 solo that Accept has ever don ein one of their songs,
                 although they're not exactly known for screaming guitar.
    
                 I included that song on "Greatest Hits VI (records)":
                 my 6th 'compilation' tape I've made using some of my
                 favorite songs off my recordings.
    
                                                       GTI

                           
    RE:R.R                 
                           
    I luuuuuuuuuuuv the solo to (live) Suicide Soloution, its mega.  If
    I'm ever taping an album and I've got a couple minutes left on the
    end of the tape, I alway put that solo on the end.
                           
    Another solo I think is mega, is the Helloween solo on the 'Keeper
    Of The Seven Keys PT 1' album on 'A Tale That Wasn't Right'.  Its
    not a 200mph solo, but Its got so much feeling pumped in that it
    makes me wanna through my guitars away in shame!!        
                                     
    -Tony

    I heard a killer solo this weekend on MTV !! The song is ...
    
    
    	     "Punk Rock Girl" by the Dead Milkmen
    
    This guy cranks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Agagagagagagagagagagaga<take breath *here*>agagagagagagagaga ...
    
    
    			        Scary

    re: dead milkmen
    
    Aaaaaaaaagggggh!  *That* solo!  agagagagaga  
    
    But, I actually like that song, it cracks me up.  It's just sooooooooo
    *cheezy*!
    
    gh

    Queensr�che's Speak or the one that goes 'You'll never get away'!
    
    Or either Cheech or Chong (don't know which) in Up in Smoke!
    
    ;^)
    
    Flip

     
    
    ......The debate lives on .......Two songs  both by RUSH
    
    spirit of the radio
    limelight
    
    now I'm not talking solo's here I'm talking kick a** intro's
    So what does everyone think
    

    
    
    Ted Nugents solo in Wang Dang Sweet Poontang.Smokin!
    
                   DEEBS

    These notes are starting to collect cobwebs.
    But if there is any one out there here are my fav's
    
    Satriani - Surfin' with the Alien
    Accept - Midnight Mover
    Y&T - Squeeze
    AC/DC - Shake a leg
    Halen - Little Guitars/Eruption
    Hagar - Heavy Metal
    
    
    
    That's it
    
    Baki

Well, this is NOT Heavy Metal, but it is rockin':

"I'm So Afraid" - Fleetwood Mac (live album)

Lindsey Buckingham does a *wailing* guitar solo! Great stuff!

cat

    garry moore plays some outstanding solos,eg,(murder in the sky)
                                                (eyes of the world)
    brian may(brighton rock)
                            montrose(good rockin tonight)
    whats his name from white lion(lets all join our hands)
    
    ps.the new uriah heep cd.is 11 out of 10.check out the cover of argents
    "hold your head up"

                
                brighton rock???  where did those guys go anyway?
                [not that i really liked them, just curious ...]
                
                ps - i  think gary moore's song is called 'end of
                the world'
                
                - rob -\

	I like all Yngee's solo , following is my selection ,

	1. Lier               --- Trilogy

	2. Rising force       --- Odyssey

        3. I'll see the light --- Marching out

	4. Magic mirror	      --- Trilogy


					J.M.

    
    	In the Helloween note (I believe) it was noted that they make
    	note of which guitarist is doing the solo.
    
    	Who else does this?
    
    		Judas Priest (KK Downing and Glenn Tipton.  Glenn
    		can play circles around KK.)
    
    		Twisted Sister (Jay Jay French and Eddie "Fingers"
    		Ojeda.  Jay Jay cooks ... Eddie simmers.  8^))
    
    							GTI

    Tesla also does this.
    
    /M.

    >Tesla also does this.
    
    Really?  I sure don't remember that.  Have to go check the cassettes
    again.
    
    gh

    
    	RE: Greg
    
    		The last 4(?) Judas Priest record/CD liners break
    		the solos into parts, telling who's playing which
    		sections.
    
    		Like Iron Maiden's stuff, u can tell anyways.
    
    							GTI
    

    With Priest I can usually tell anyway, so I guess I never looked that
    close.  Most of their material that I have is the older stuff anyway. 
    
    glh

    
    Slayer credited each guitar solo on Reign in Blood, not sure about
    South of Heaven or early stuff.
    
    Paul
    ----

    
    Tesla did on the Great Radio Controversy...don't know about Mechanical
    Resonance....
    
    

    
    	King Diamond did on "THEM"
    
    BK
    

    
    	Michael Angelo's solo on "Machine Gun Eddie" has got to be
    	one of the fastest guitar solos ever ... incredible.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    	I made a guitar solos tape a couple years ago (90 minutes
    	of nothing but various solos) and accidentally ran Krokus'
    	"Nightwolf" into Judas Priest's "Electric Eye", and the re-
    	sult was outstanding!!
    
    	If you're not paying attention, u don't even notice that it's
    	2 different solos.  Wow.
    
    							GTI
    

    	Eddie Van Halen			Van Halen
    	Fernando von Arb		Krokus
    	Glenn Tipton			Judas Priest
    	? [The one that's good]		Iron Maiden
    	Rocky George			Suicidal Tendencies
    	Aldo Nova			Aldo Nova
    	Yngwie Malmsteen		self, Steeler
    	Zakk Wilde (sp?)		Ozy Osbourne
    	Michael Angelo			Nitro [for sheer speed]
    	Kirk Hammett			Metallica
	Dan Spitz			Anthrax
    	Joe Satriani			Joe Satriani
    	Alvin Lee			Ten Years After
    	Steve Vai			David Lee Roth
    	Viv Campbell			Dio
	George Lynch			Dokken
	Nuno Bettencourt		Extreme
	Tony R�y			Saraya
	?				King's X
	Paul Gilbert			Mr. Big
	Carlos Santana			Santana
	Michael Sweet			Stryper
	Jay Jay French			Twisted Sister
	Rick Springfield		[Just tryin' to see who actually
					 reads this whole list.  8^)]

    							GTI
    

    .66�	Rick Springfield		[Just tryin' to see who actually
    .66�					 reads this whole list.  8^)]
    
    	He's not "That" bad!
    
    
    B.A.

    re.67
    Rick Springfield won some guitar award in Aussie one year.
    
    /Motorbreath...Shawn, maybe it would've been easier to make a list
    of guitarists you DON'T like!

The guitarist on Rick Springfield's "Jessie's Girl" was Neil Geraldo, from Pat 
Benatar's band. He's a kick-a$$ guitarist!!!

alan

    
    	I knew I recognized Neil ... and kinda remembered him as Pat's
    	guitarist, but wasn't sure.
    
    							GTI
    

    Yeah, Jessie's Girl kicked a$$!!   ;^)
    
    
    
    
    ------Steve

    Neil definately had some great solos!  I enjoy his playing.
    
    Gh

    >>>  Yeah, Jessie's Girl kicked a$$!!   ;^)
    
    Depends on which one you are refering to. Some have kicked my *ss, some
    were too timid, some were too dumb, and some were too nice.
    
    the devil dog who had *ALL* of Jesse's girls.
    

    	Eddie Van Halen			Van Halen
    	Fernando von Arb		Krokus
    	Glenn Tipton			Judas Priest
    	Rocky George			Suicidal Tendencies
    	Aldo Nova			Aldo Nova
    	Yngwie Malmsteen		self, Steeler
    	Zakk Wilde (sp?)		Ozy Osbourne
    	Michael Angelo			Nitro [ludicrous speed]
    	Kirk Hammett			Metallica
    	Joe Satriani			Joe Satriani
    	Alvin Lee			Ten Years After
    	Steve Vai			David Lee Roth
	George Lynch			Dokken
	Nuno Bettencourt		Extreme
	Paul Gilbert			Mr. Big
	Carlos Santana			Santana
    							GTI

                
                I'm not  a  big Extreme fan or anything, but from
                what I've heard  from  both  of  them, Nuno would
                WASTE Jake on the guitar...
                
                ...sorry...JMHO...
                
                

    
    
    	RE-1
    	
    	Rob, Bwaaa-haa-haaa!!!
    
    
    	M
    	 B

    
    Gotta agree with Rob.  Nuno would waste Jake!
    
    
    Mr. Ed...Jake lost his fire after Ozzy!

    Sorry to disapoint you Extreme fans, but a few months down the road
    nobody will remember them.  They're like too many other bands right
    now.  The projects that Jake E. Lee has been associated with (Ozzy
    and Badlands) I feel will stand the test of time.  Jake proved he
    could burn with Ozzy, now he proves he can simmer with Badlands.
    No comparison in my book ... (but who reads my book anyway  8^)
    
    
    
    
    				Jake E. Scary ...

    Just for the record ....
    
    
    
    
    Jake E. Lee burns Nuno to cinders ...  8^)
    
    
    
    
    
    				Scary

    
    	I read that book Scary....
    
    	Come on people.... Jake is GREAT... listen to his suff... listen
    to his solo's live... he might not play 100mph ..but then again
    he dosent have to....
    
    BK
    

    re. 36 - We'll see about that!  It's been awhile and I doubt these guys
    are just gonna fade away.  They've worked to hard!
    
    Simmer..Simmer..Simmer

    
    Come on! Give me a f*ckin' break!  Extreme will be around for awhile,
    regardless of whether or not the rest of the nation remembers them,
    they will be there.  If they were forgotten, it would just be another
    great example of someone with more talent not being noticed.  As
    far as Badlands goes, yeah Jake was/is a great guitarist.  But,
    he lost his fire, he plays like he's out there makin' a living,
    not like he's enjoying himself, like Nuno (if you havn't seen Extreme
    live then you woudln't know).  I don't like comparing guitarists
    but IMHO, Nuno is a better guitarist if I had to pick one.  Besides,
    I've seen both bands live and Extreme is by far the better show
    to go to.
    
    
    Mr. Ed....Boston Bands Boogie!!

    
    Scary obviously doesn't know what the f*ck he's talking about and
    is playing the all too familiar popularity contest that all the
    rags do!  Just like a posuer!  I like Jake and have followed his
    playing for years, but Nuno is a better player and a much better
    performer live than Jake will ever be.  Go see Extreme live Scary,
    I'll accept your apologies after the show!
    
    Mr. Ed...

    Can I like both guitarists and still be cool ?
    
    I happen to think it's apples and oranges.  Nuno is young and
    energetic... Plays a different style, and WAILS at it.  But to be
    fair, Jake with Badlands is the gnads.  Jakes wails too, just to
    a different drummer.
    
    jmho

    Huh?  Who's Extreme?  I don't remember any band called Extreme... must
    have suc*ed if they died out as abruptly as they started.  :-)
    
    Steve

    
        The way I see it everybody is trying to compare 2 class acts.
    Both these guys (imo) are GREAT guitarists. Nuno burns and Jake
    sometimes not so burns but both these guys have there own styles
    and if you ask 100 different people who they like better, you'd
    get nothing but opinions. It is an opinion nobody is right.
        After all it's not exactly as clear cut as trying to compare
    paul gilbert & mick mars.
    
    
                          dave
    
    

    
    Gotta agree Pete.  It's like comparing Steve to someone who
    has class.
    
    
    Mr. Ed...

    Gimme a f***ing break...
    
    "OH no WAY can Nuno be as good as Jake E. Lee!!! Jake rools!!
    He played with Ozzy!! Listen to his stuff!!" yah right...
    
    SO WHAT WHO HE PLAYED WITH. SO WHAT IF EXTREME ISN'T HUGE IN A 
    YEAR?? I've heard Nuno's playing and I was VERY impressed, I 
    really doubt if this old bag Jake E. Lee would impress me any
    more than Nuno does.
    To be honest, I've never heard Lee play, but I doubt I'd be as
    impressed as I was when I heard Nuno's stuff...
    
    GUY MANN-DUDE BLOWS 'em both away, okay??
    
    /Motorbreath...and he's never played for a wheeze-bag like Ozzy either

    Yeah, Jake is awesome, he doesn't f*ck up his leads.
    
    /Motorbreath

    
    re. 44 -
    
    " Really doubt if this old bag Jake E. Lee would impress me"
    
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH this old bag, Mike you crack me up you just made my
    day. - Kim

    
    Pete, should a seen Jake on HBB awhile back.  Seems like the song
    could be about either one.
    
    
    Mr. Ed...

    re. 204 - We're definately on the same wavelength
    
    re. 207 - But, do you know Jake's personality?

    There you have it, from the mouth of the number-one feeling
    guitarist critic... what, did Jake break into tears or something??
    
    /Motorbreath

    
    
    GOOD OR POPULAR MUSICIAN = EGO THE SIZE OF (enter really big thing here)
    
    
    It doesn't matter who they are or what they do, that's the way it is. 
    As a matter of fact, it's even wafted through this file a bit...
    
    Steve

    Pete you really crack me up... but YOU have no ego, right??
    
    ha ha ha, the way you choose for yourself what musicians are good
    or not (whether they've used drugs, if they're ugly, who their 
    dad was, if they were twits as kids, if they have egos, if they're
    from your hometown and they've kinda made it big and you don't like
    it, etc) is certainly your personal privilege, but can I laugh at it
    anyway??
    
    /Motorbreath... yes, I'm irritable today, so what?

    re. 49 - Mike, you've got some good ones today.
    
    re. 48 - Well, I'm gonna see Jake on the 28th I'll have to get back to
    yah on that one.

    Pete, get your head out of your pious high and mighty a**,
    so to speak, you incredible musician you.
    1/2 8^)
    
    /Motorbreath...that was your typical "I'm exiting this discussion
    as I have nothing else worth saying" reply Pete, pretty predictable.

    
    hehehehhehehe - Is anyone laughing as hard as I am.  For some reason I
    find he Extreme and Badlands file wicked funny. - KIm

    
    Gotta disagree Pete.  Won't argue with you, but I just think that
    for a first album comparison of the two, Nuno did alot better on
    his first.  Plain and simple, Jake never impressed me on his first
    try like Nuno did on his.  It took Jake two albums before I even
    really noticed him.  Now Nuno on the other hand, I wore out the
    album listening to the whole band, then again just listening to
    his playing.  Even when I pop in the Extreme tape now, I'm still
    amazed at his abilities.  Something Jake has *never* done with me,
    even on this Badlands (spelled J-O-K-E) album. Just my opinion.
    By the way, Steve, if you can play like Nuno, then maybe I'll give
    you a call, but not if you play like Jake! (a joke)
    
    
    Mr. Ed...
    

    no Pete, I DON'T CARE ABOUT HIS EGO!!! I COULD GIVE a sh*t, 
    I care about his playing, his music and that's it!!!
    
    Kim...OH? You've never seen these discussions before!! Aren't they
    great!!! 8^)
    
    /Motorbreath

    
    Think about, Pete, Steve, Motorbreath, ETC...
    When have you seen any great guitarist, big time or not, that didn't
    have an ego, large or small.  I've worked with alot of guitarists
    and every single one of them had it, if not at the begining, they
    developed it as they got better.  Simple!  Especially in this type
    of music.
    
    Mr. Ed...yeah, this discussion is funny!

    
    Mr. Ed,
    
     I beg to differ. Look at Buck, He is an AWESOME guitar player and IMO
    has no ego and he damn well has reason to have one.
    
    Rae

    
    I've never met Buck, and if that's true what you say about him (along
    with everyone else) then he's in that .5% that being great doesn't
    effect his head.  Let's just say that it affects guitarist the most,
    then singers!  But they are close.  There are some that don't get
    inflated to 120lbs/pr. but you hafta look for em amung the big rubba
    headed michelin men guitarists!
    
    Mr. Ed...

    
    Yes, they are two different players with two totally different styles
    playing two different types of music, and yes I like them both too.
    Ditto!  Don't like Mr. Gillen (?) though.
    
    Mr. Ed...

    well, if Buck ever makes it big, and has little girlies all over
    him wherever he goes, THEN see if he has an ego.
    
    Success goes to EVERYONE'S head, well, a little anyway.
    
    /Motorbreath

    Pardon...Buck has the TCR's and that hasn't gone to his head. 8^)
    
    Rae
    
    Sorry...I'm silly before a LONG weekend.

    
    	Has anyone heard any work by Guy Mann-Dude (Dudes of Wrath!)
    
    I have the SHOCKER movie soundtrack, and this guy seems to really
    have tons of talent!! He's fast... he plays a searing co-lead
    with Vivian Campbell on a tune or two on the soundtrack.
    
    Any opinions?
    
    /Motorbreath

                
                Only thing  I've  seen  is a Painted Black video.
                It  sounded like  garbage.    FWIW,  I  met  Paul
                Gilbert a couple of times and the guy didn't seem
                to hve any ego at  all.    He  even  went out for
                pancakes  with  everybody  after the clinic.    I
                loved his personality.  If he hadn't made it as a
                musician, he could have as a comedian.   He was a
                riot!
                
                - Rob -
                

    
    	Motorbreath.... calm down before you give yourself a heartattack.
    
    	So who pi**ed in your cornflakes this morning???  You seem more
    touchy than normal...
    
    BK
    

    Up yours dic*head.
    Just kidding just kidding...
    Brian look in the Hatchet Burial note... I was laughing the whole
    time I typed in those notes today... I don't get THAT excited over
    anything in this conference.
    
    /Me...Ha ha ha BRIAN calling ME touchy... I'm dyin' over here!!!
    
    8^)

    
    
    	It sucks working 3rd and missing out on the good fights. This
    	 one seemed to cool down but I still want to have my say.
    
    	Jake E Lee, played awesome leads in a style that was quite 
    	 unique (well not that unique but you knew it was Jake)
        after he took over for Randy. ( wich was a feat in itself.)
         Then he formed Badlands and we see another facet of Jake's
    	style, slower more melodic and alot of feeling in his playing.
    
	Then we have Nuno who has had one album and create's a style
    	 that was quite...well to tell ya the truth it was right
    	out of the Eddie VH handbook....
    
    	Q; Is it harder to create a style or copy one ?
    
    	Besides Jake does awsome Whammy heroics without a Whammy!
    
    	M
    	 B
    	 

    
    I agree completely...Wow that was a mouthful....
    
    
    $Gerry$

RE: 97.99 by Mr. Ed...
    
<    Scary obviously doesn't know what the f*ck he's talking about and
<    is playing the all too familiar popularity contest that all the
<    rags do!  Just like a posuer!  I like Jake and have followed his
<    playing for years, but Nuno is a better player and a much better
<    performer live than Jake will ever be.  Go see Extreme live Scary,
<    I'll accept your apologies after the show!
    
<    Mr. Ed...

I've never seen Jake or Nuno live, so all I base my OPINION on is what I 
hear and videos.  I'm afraid dear boy that YOU are playing the popularity 
game.  Nuno is plastered all over the rags, as is Jake, but he's in there 
mainly because he's new.  Unfortunately for him, he's trying to make a name 
for himself when there are hordes of other pseudo-metal bands like Winger, 
Bulletboys, Dangerous Toys, Bang Tango, etc trying to do the same thing, 
and ALL of them have very good axesmiths.  And Extreme falls into the 
"poseur" category much easier than anything Jake has ever been involved 
with, so I'm afraid you and Nuno can reserve your seats in Poseurdom.  

Jake followed in the wake of Randy Rhodes, which is a tough pair of shoes to 
fill, plus he added hi own "signature" sound.  Ozzy's "Bark At The Moon" is a 
guitar player's album for sure.  "The Ultimate Sin" showed a tastier side of 
Jake with tunes like "Killer Of Giants", but at the same time he proved he 
still has the edge with tunes like "Lightning Strikes Again".  Maybe a few 
years down the road when Nuno has had his name on 3 top 10 albums I might give 
him the benefit of the doubt - but for right now, he only rates the doubt.  
Even though he has some blistering chops, his kind are a dime a dozen these 
days.  At my local music store I see 14 year old kids copping Yngwie licks all 
day long on $100 guitars ... Nuno just shows me that he can afford better 
guitars !   I'm not trying to say Nuno's a lousy player - he's not, but 
he's got a LOT of competition at his level (which is "entry" ...) and a 
long way to go before he becomes a semi-legend like Jake ... sit down and 
hush !



					Scary

    
    
    Scary, Sit down take  a break...You deserve a pat on the back for
    that one...And Mr. Ed...Stay in the reruns and stop talking like
    a horses arse...
    
    
    $Badboy$

    
    
    	Re-2
    
    	Yeah what he said!!!!!!
    
    	M
    	 B

    
    I just read it again and what a howl Mr. Ed is
    
    EEEEEGHAAAAAD
    
    
    $BADboy$

    
    	Yeah, if Jake E. Lee had played for a band like Warrant, all
    you yahoos woulda said he s*cked.
    Get real. So Jake deserves a "lifetime achievement" award, big
    deal. All those little kids at the guit store whomping out
    Yngwie licks would have a much easier time with Jake's stuff
    anyway.
    
    So Jake followed Randy, now he's  in a band that su*ks, what's
    the difference?
    
    /Motorbreath

    Scary, that was a brilliant analysis.  I couldn't have said it better
    if I had said it.
    
    Now, I've heard Jake's work with Ozzy.  It was good.
    I've heard Nuno's work with Extreme.
    
    I gotta go with Jake.  Kid Ego is a lame song.  Extreme, from what I've
    heard, is a lame band.  If Nuno is writing for Extreme, then he
    definetly loses all credibility.  The stuff just isn't good.
    You guys are right about the guitar stuff.  Every kid goes in and picks
    up a Kramer and plays a metal lead which could be from almost any one
    of the new lame metal bands.  Nuno is one of those kids.
    
    I haven't heard Badlands, so I can't compare Jake's new stuff, but if
    Motorbreath says it is bad, then I have to agree with him...he's my
    musical alter-ego.   :-)
    
    Steve

    
    	RE: Pete
    
    		Whose side are u on, anyways?  8^)
    
    		FWIW, I think the intro to "Mutha ..." is alot
    		better, especially with that "harmonic arpeggio
    		whah-whah thing" he does.
    
    		[I didn't wanna get too technical.  8^)]
    
    							GTI
    

    I just got the album, there only 2 songs i like, the last one on
    thw first side and the first on the second, i'm not trying to knock
    the guitar playing at all, just overall the album doesn't do much
    to me, havn't listen to Badlands, yet, so i can't copmare them yet,
    
    Tony
    

    i forgot to mention that its the Extreme album i was talking about
    
    Tony
    

                Pete, is  that  the  song  from  Bill  and  Ted's
                excellent adventure when  Mozart  or Beethoven or
                whoever he was was  jamming  on  the  keys in the
                mall?  That is a wailin' tune...
                
                

    
    Jake and Nuno are two very different players - they are both very
    good but Nuno is too young and inexperienced. Jake's been around
    for awhile and has his own style - Nuno sounds like Eddie Van Halen
    meets John Sykes!!
    
    I like em both, but my vote goes to...
    
    Jake E Lee

    I *think* that a lot of Extreme's popularity in this file is due
    to the fact that the majority of the noters here are from the same
    area where Extreme hails from.  Thus a "local band does good" virus
    develops, placing a severe handicap on a person's better judgement.
    
                      		8^)
    
    .... but I do believe Jake has the majority rule here !
     
    So maybe this notesfile does echo the sentiments of the rational
    thinking world .........
    
    
    
    				Scary

I liked a lot Extreme's guitar playing. The first time it made me think a bit 
of Eddie Van Halen. Found it very good. As I never heard Badlands I cannot tell
about differences. I remember Jake being good with Ozzy but nothing more (he was
far from Randy for sure)

And I'm not from Nashua or Boston ;-) :-)

Didier

    
    Re:  Pete
    
    	Make up your mind Pete, whose side are you on?
    
    Re:  Scary
    
    	Good anaysis, hats off to ya.  Who wrote it for you?
    
    	Like I said before, and you obviously missed it, I like both
    	guitarists, Nuno just impressed me more with his first out than
    	Jake did, simple to the point no bullsh*t!  As far as Badlands
    	goes, they are truely unimpressive.
    
    Re:  Steve
    
    	You obviously don't know good song writing at all!
    
    Re:  Motorbreath
    
    	Thanks, you tried!
    
    Re:  Everyone else I missed, kiss my *ss, Extreme kicks!
    
    
    Mr. Ed...

    Ok, I've been gone, but lemme jump into this (stupid) discussion that
    has been going on since about .90 or so...
    
    Jake n Nuno...I guess the thing that sepoarates the two IMHO is
    *style*.  I listen to Nuno and hear a developing guitarist...a little
    Yngwie..a LOT of EVH, with a dash of Lynch here and a sprinkle of
    Rhoads there.  Nuno is like Boston's answer to Akira if you ask me!!
    (Akira is a hot player, but only now is he getting his own style and
    sound)  Jake on the otehr hand sounds like Jake...he has cemented his
    own style. 
    
    Also, Lets throw the guitar gymnastics aside for a second and talk
    about something REALLY musical...composition!!!
    
    Nuno's compositions (the ones on the album HE wrote, not someone else!)
    are ok, but again I feel they are a tad sophomoric.  That tune Rock a
    Bye Baby...oh Puh-leeeze...taht is a typical example...hey Nuno...take
    some courses in arranging for strings and then try your hand at it, ok?
    I think the Badlands album features some very fine compositional
    characteristics.  I think what a LOT of you noters are missing is the
    fact Jake has matured musically.  Yes, that means some of the
    mastabatury guitar playing is gone, and none too soon I might add!!!
    Less is more here people...Nuno may have fast fingers, but they aren't
    saying sh*t!  Jake has stripped his playing and his sound down to a
    raw, no BS foundation.  This is *true* rock n roll people...not the
    flash and hype BS we have been brainwashed on for the past 10 years! 
     
    

    
    A quote rom Jake E Lee from Kerrang a few months back ...
    
    "Those of you who liked Jake E Lee with Ozzy, but don't like him
    with Badlands, don't like him at all. Badlands shows my true playing
    colours far more than Ozzy would ever let me".
                      
    Sums it up really.

    
    
    >> I'm a Libra
       
    Me too !!  

    
    >>>I'm a Libra
    
    
    Me Three!!!

    >>>I'm a Libra

    Isn't that some kind of a cola or something?

    re: Jake .vs. Nuno

    I really agree with whoever made the comment a few notes back about the
    "local boy makes good" syndrome.  Living in Colorado, I can honestly
    say that I have never once heard an Extreme song on the radio.  I've
    heard only two of their songs in MTV videos, which I saw "Kid Ego" only
    twice and the other one only once.  The last time I saw one was
    probably three or four months ago.  Not a lot of exposure, I'd say. 
    Maybe you guys hear them regularly in the Boston area, but they're
    nobody elsewhere.

    Of the two songs, I thought they were both pretty lame.  While Nunos
    playing was pretty good as I remember, I'm sick to death of  silly
    lyrics with memorable topics such as not wanting to go to school or
    something.  Well, you can tell what they're target audience is (and it
    ain't me).  I hope they do really well with the pre-teen gum-smackers
    'cause they're liable to make anyone else nauseous.

    I haven't heard the album because, quite honestly, I haven't heard
    anything I liked enough from it to make me want to actually spend money
    on it.

    On the same hand, there's Jake E. Lee.  Quite honestly, while he was
    fast and all, I don't know that I ever really liked his playing with
    Ozzy that much.  The Badlands record has so much of a Zeppelin rip off
    feel that I can't get into it.  The only song on there that I really
    like is "Highwire" (I think that's the name).

    Yeah, real memorable, both of them.

    Greg

    
    	It's funny that you find Jake's playing fast.... I never really
    considered it fast...even with ozzy.
    
    	You have to admit that he plays with a lot more feeling that
    Nuno though....dont get me wrong...I like the way Nuno playes but
    even though comparing the two is difficult I have to say Jake is
    better.
    
    	What about BADLANDS reminds you of Zep???  I dont really hear
    it....  It's not like a Kingdom Come type of thing is it??
    
    BK
    

    I think it might be the bluesier feel it has.  No fretboard gymnastics
    here, just some good solid tunes.  A little musical maturity ...
    but a lot of folks in here don't understand that word ("maturity"
    that is ...).
    
    
    
    				Scary

    I'm with gh, What I heard from Extreme didn't impress me. Playing-wise
    I don't know what's wrong with it. Listening-wise I just didn't like
    it. 
    
    the dd
    
    p.s. ma-what?

    
    Hey Jesse, if you get a chance, go and see Extreme in concert, then
    you'll change your mind about the content of their album.  As it
    stands, it does no justice to their live performance.
    
    Flip

    No, with the exception of a couple people I know, there is 
    no local-boys-do-good syndrome involved here. 
    Rolling Stone gave the album a hearty thumbs-up, other reviewers
    (mags) have given the album a hearty thumbs-up, and their 
    live performances have gotten rave reviews. I gave the album
    a level-thumb/thumbs-down rating personally.
    	They don't get much airplay here either. 
    	I just like Nuno's playing.
    
    	BTW, to make someone 'nauseous' is to make them sickening, or
    to make them cause other people to become nauseated. (in other words
    if you're nauseous, you make other people puke) 8^)
    I just figured I'd be a pain in the as*.
    
    /Motorbreath...fighting for the proper use of the English language! ;^)

    
    
    	Funny I should read what Mike said it made me think of
    	 something I saw today....Extreme's tape in the 4.99 
    	bin.....I guess they shipped more than they could
    	 sell...sorry to all you extreme fans but I had to
    	say it.
    
    	M
    	 B

    
    	After listening to "Eat 'Em and Smile" and "Skyscraper"
    	since yesterday, I have to say that Steve Vai is better
    	than CC Deville.
    
    	Believe it or not.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    RE. 152
      That was a joke, right??

    
    	Of course it was a joke.
    
    	I'm not THAT dumb.
    
    							GTI
    
    	P.S.  No wise-*ss comments either.  8^)
    

    
    
    RE.97 NO COMMENT. (heheheheh)

    Ozzy has been doing great since Sabbath. All his releases has amazingly
    been getting better one after another. And he has achieved this with
    different axemen. But I'm not sure which axeman laid his axe on which
    album. All I know till now is Jake E Lee, Randy Rhoads & Zack Wylde(sp).
    
    Are there anymore axemen who worked with Ozzy? 
    
    et_Singapore(who thinks any axeman who works with Ozzy is GREAT!!)
    

    Brad Gillis (pre-Nightranger) slung the strings after Randy and
    before Jake.
    
    
    
    				Scary

    
    There was another guitar player who did some live work with Ozzy, but
    didn't put anything down on tape, it was just after Randy passed
    away.                                         
         
    Can't think of his name at the mo...

    Re:-1 
    
    Tony, I'm sure it was Bernie Tormie.
    
    If I remember correctly, reason he left so quickly was due to the
    fact that he couldn't stand being dragged around the stage by the
    hair whilst trying to play and so he just freaked out and left the
    band.
    
    Gm.

    Here is the Ozzy guitarist list...complete, and in chronological order:
    
    1) Tony Iommi
    2) Randy Rhoads
    3) Bernie Tormie
    4) Brad Gillis
    5) Jake E. Lee
    6) Zakk Wylde
    
    Buck

   
    Yup.. *thats* the guy!!

    MR.SCARY KILLS ANY THING ANYONE EVER CAME ABOUT WITH!!!!
    JOHNCINI.

    -1
    
    Dude, stop being *so* LA (I mean, gawd, you're bay area, so face it!),
    and realize that Mr. Scary isn't the end_all guitar piece.  
    
    FWIW, a friend of mine is at GIT now, and Lynch is taking classes there
    now, and didn't even know what a freaking D Dominant 7th arpeggio was,
    so there!
    
    Now, back to our regularly scheduled programme...

    I hate to agree with this "special friend", of yours, Flip
    but George Lynch is good... But obviously, Warren DeMartini RULES!
    

    >>FWIW, a friend of mine is at GIT now, and Lynch is taking classes there
    >>now, and didn't even know what a freaking D Dominant 7th arpeggio was,
    >>so there!
    
    
    Arpeggio, Arpy-ghetto, what's the dif? The man cain still play. I do
    agree that Mr. Scary ain't the "end_all guitar piece". 
    
    btw wtf is wrong wif L.A? 
    
    dd
    

    I agree Lynch can play, and then some...I just thought I'd mention the
    fact he's an awesome guitar player without really knowing what he's
    doing!
    
    And the fact that Mr. Scary is a great song, but not the "KILLS ALL"
    song the author of .0 said it was.
    
    RE: LA
    
    Been there?  Everyone thinks Lynch is god...I guess they also think
    that way up in the bay area?!

    
    RE: .6
    
    >>I agree Lynch can play, and then some...I just thought I'd mention
    >>the fact he's an awesome guitar player without really knowing what
    >>he's doing!
    
    Then way are you chuncing him for going to MI? Give him a chance to
    learn what it is he's doing. Not everyone can be a theory maven.
    
    					
    R.C._who_is_a_BIG_G.L._fan
                                                 

    Enough already Buck !  Sheeesh ....  Just because *you* don't
    particularly care for a solo or guitarist, doesn't mean that someone
    else might think it/they are great.  Wouldn't it be a dull world if ..
    
    	* Michael Angelo was the *only* guitar player alive ...
    	* Marshall was the *only* amp manufacturer in business ...
    	* You didn't learn *anything* on your own in life ...
    
    Gimme a break here.  "Mr. Scary" was HOT when it first came out
    (believe me, I know ...).  So was "Eruption" by another of your
    favorite players (who probably doesn't know sh*t about theory either).
    Somebody's always building a better mousetrap - solo's and guitar
    heroes are no different.
    
    Scary (a non-theory dude that does OK in the real world ...)

    
    Au contraire Dude...
    
    
    Up here in the bay area (IMO) they are not so hyped on one guitarist.
    Most people in LA seem to be suffering from smog overdose....
    
    Up here it seems to be Ronnie Montrose, Joe Satch, Angus and
    Vai.... The don't play too much Dokken around here... George is
    good but I prefer Angus over him anyday. Sure George might play
    a more complex style but he is no god by my standards...
    
    Just my opinion
    
    
    Urge

                 
    Mr Scary (the solo) sux!

    Yeah, it does now that Tony has learned to play a guitar.
    
    /Motorbreath

    
    No flames intended in that note.             
    
    I like the groove the song has on the 'Beast...' album, but the
    solo itself is, in my opinion, poor.
           
    Sure, Lynch is a great player, with a fresh style (or it was anyway)
    and good chops (and hair!!) but the actual construction and fluency 
    of his phrasing is pretty well naff, in my opinion.
                                                       
    But then, he can blow me off the face earth anyway so I'll shut up now.
                                                           
    -Tony        

    A question for ya ....
    
    Do you think that a gynecologist is a superior lover because he knows a
    womans body better than the average layman (cute phrasing, huh ?).
    
    Guitar playing is a lot like making love, in ways, so who would you
    rather sleep with, Dr. Ruth or Carol Alt ?
    
    Being a theory guru doesn't necessarily mean it equals a good solo or a
    good player, IMHO, of course.
    
    When I hear a solo, I don't try to take it apart and figure out what
    it's made of - I just listen and decide if I like it or not.  Like
    Stevie Ray Vaughn, I can put on one of his CD's and copy his leads note
    for note, which tells me by a lot of standards he's just *fair*, but I
    really love his style and presentation.
    
    Face it guys - people like what they like for their *own* reasons.
    
    Keith Richards roooooolz anyway ..... 8^)
    
    Scary

    re Scary, 
    

    I'd take Carol Alt in a heartbeat, but we'd have Dr. Ruth do the play
    by play, for the viewers at home.
    
    
    cain someone list "Theory Gurus" and those that are not. 

    Joe Satriani is a theory guru...ever hear his rendition of the 
    Tri-axis pitch-shift theory?  Woah...

           
           
    A quote from Satch ...
           
    "If you don't know there's a B Phrygian lurking in G Major, you're
    missing a very important point. You're missing one-seventh of the
    scale, one very important mood shift. You should know each sound
    intimatly, and create an artistic opinion about each one".
           
    Does this guy talk sh*t or what ?
           
    I can see it now,      
                           
    "Well, hey, this is E Mixolydian, and it sounds like thunder and
    rain, and this one is D Aeolian, and sounds like somone has just
    had their pet cat stolen, and this ones C Ionian and sounds like
    flowers in the garden, and this ones F Locrian and sound like me
    - sh*t !!!".
                       
    <barf> 8*)

    Average people don't know Satriani.
    Lynch at GIT?  I'd go if I had the cash, like so what? Unless you
    practise the theory, or more likely teach it year after year 
    you forget it. If he was to study Classical they'd make him play Nylon
    strings and he'd have to forget everything to eliminate bad physical
    habits.  That's a pain, you play great sounding stuff, 
    and these guys say you don't even know how to hold it.
    And it's true, you learn!
    GTI is more fun anyway.  It can't hurt.
    At least he dosen't have the EGO problem and think he knows it all.
    NOBODY knows it all except God. I had a dream where he played a 
    glowing white Baretta shaped . No pickups! 
    

    All the talk about theory (esp. Tony's chapter on the satch) is
    fair comments, but...
    
    Lynch is good... (but very LA IMHO)
    Satch is good... (but not very LA IMHO)
    etc....
    
    I have seen the Satch live and he can put so much expression into
    what he plays (or mood if you prefer) live.  I really don't care
    if he's a theory guru or anything else, nor do I care if Lynch or
    any other guitarist is a guru or not.  I get a buzz from a song/solo
    /riff by what it sounds like and not really what it is composed
    of.
    
    I have never seen Eddie Van H, or George Lynch live, I have seen
    the like of the Satch, Gary Moore, etc... each has good and bad
    points.
    
    After all this blurb whats my point...
    
    I would love to know the theory, but if it came down to the choice
    between theory & makin those wonderful sounds that we all love on
    a guitar... theory takes the second prize.
    
    Bonzo

    Lynch should be popular in the southwest since he lives here.  Same for
    Satch in the Bay area.
    
    Theory is great but some things can't be taught, like SOUL!  The music
    comes from the heart within, not your head!
    
    The wise guitar player can learn from anyone, any style, and apply it
    to his/her specific tastes.  That's being open minded too.  There is
    no guitar player that will satisfy everyone's musical tastes.  You also
    can't criticize another's style or taste, that's how you hinder
    potential.
    
    Also, guys like Lynch and Van Halen that play "retch" laugh all the way
    to the bank daily and play in their full equipped studios, while we wear 
    badges and dream of the ultimate rig!  They have to be doing something
    right!
    
    Mike_who_was_once_accused_of_not_having_an_open_mind

    
    Warning: Following is all in IMO.  The writer is not responsible for
    any flaming this may cause.
    
    RE .181
    
    Exactly!  Whether you like him or not, Lynch has already established
    himself as a major force/influence in rock guitar, just as Yngwie, 
    but I don't see Yingyang going back to school!  I'd take Lynch's 
    poorest solo over Yngwie's best any day!  I don't remember what
    song it was, but off the Odyssey album, there's a song or a solo 
    piece Yngwie did on a classical and it did not fit the context at all
    IMHFO!  Come on guys, technical playing can become a cover up for 
    lack of "soul".  However, on the same coin, it *can* be vice versa, also.  
    
    But the bottom line is: Solo HAS TO FIT THE SONG!  And who gives a
    flying f**k if it's not in F# harmonic minor?  
    
    Ronnie LeTekro is sometimes notorious for using extreme speed in a
    solo, but he does that for an effect, and it gives it contrast between
    the song and the solo, but does not over use this technique.
      
    I just have not heard anything fresh from Yngwie, whom I 
    consider to be a tech wiz, since his debut.  Where's the Evolution?
    And Yng wouldn't know "soul" if it bit him in his a$$.  Just like
    B.B. King doesn't get technical, but who cares?  B.B. is, again IMHFO,
    is a living legend, and doesn't even do well with chords.  
    
    It's too easy for guitar players to sit there and judge a song or 
    a "piece" by how technical it is, but how about seeing the forest 
    for the trees, guys?  If a solo captures the mood of the song in 
    a blues scale, why not use it instead of a harmonic minor.  And
    again, vice versa?  And who cares as long as it sounds good and 
    it fits the song?  
    
    J-Dot
                     

    
    
    	What do you mean Yngwie's got no soul???? Sure it's fast
    	 and technical but it's pure anger.( Really I'm not flaming
    	just curious.) His songs are good but everyone has jumped
    	 on his wagon and flooded the market so now anything that
    	you hear you just say "Well it's another one of those
       neo-classical-jazz-fusion things." Yng doesn't have to go
    	 school he already knows how to make a minor triad. Lynch
    	is probably going so he can put words and phrases to all
    	 the stuff he's been doing, and also to write for guitar
    	mags so he can get some publicity before he falls out of
    	 the limelight completely. IMHO!!
    
    	M
    	 B

    
    Warning:  This note contains backward "This is not a flame" message.
    
    Sure Yng is good.  I give you that hands down, but just like almost 
    everyone else that's received "musicaian status", he is super-over-rated.  
    When someone says that Yng is better than Lynch because he knows more 
    theory, that erks me!  
    
    It's not the fact that a lot of people are out there doing Yngwie's 
    licks, but rather, when I listen to "Rising Force" then listen to 
    "Odyssey", there doesn't seem to be any improvement.  I can hear it
    now, "There's no need to improve perfection."  This is the typical
    Bull attitude I've come across from a lot of classically trained 
    guitarists.  Bulls**t!  There's ALWAYS room for improvement!  
    
    Now, listen to VH 1 and OU812, Breaking the Chains and Back For The
    Attack, Queensryche and Operation: Mindcrime, and even Look What The 
    Cat Dragged In and Open Up and Say Ahh...  I hear improvements.  In 
    this respect, I personally cannot stand Poison, but I give them more 
    respect than I would Yngwie.  
    
    Sadly, I sat and read an article in GFTPM that read "Groove Or Die" 
    and showed a picture of Yngwie with a shotgun pointed to the camera.  
    Groove?  Is he talking about the groove for the needle on the record?  
    I must have missed this class on groove, but even the Doobie Brothers 
    had more groove than Odyssey.  Excuse me, but didn't Aerosmith 
    practically write the book on groove???  Should I try playing the 
    album backwards?  Warning:  This material contains backward groove.
    
    As far as his soul goes, I get tired of talking to someone who's always
    pi$$ed off at the world.  Enough said.
    
    J-Dot

    Well J Dot I must say that Yng may have been ripping off classical
    sounds for years But his technique in not classical , and has never been
    classical. But I can relate to your feeling that most classical
    guitarists are incapable of overcoming the boundries of the acoustic
    instrument to express classical music feel. They shudder at the thought
    of steel strings and cannot overcome the mental part of leaving the
    acoustic and playing the same pieces wit the same seriousness on steel
    strings.    
    
    Did you happen to see the Yng article in GPFTPM last month? It
    resembles in no small way an article about TNKOTB, superfluous
    praise, exalted terminology, incredible hype. 
     
    That's all Yng Talk is, just hype.  Get yer Ego up, take a Yng article
    and replace all the instances of Yng with j-Dot, you'll feel 
    GREAT! 

    
    I like this guy! ;)
    
    J-Dot

    Steve Vai leaves 'em all bleeding

    
    'scuse me while I puke my waffles up  ;^)

                I'll catch 'em for you Tony!  Gimme a break.

                :').  Tony MacAlpine rules!  or is it Vinnie
                Moore?  or Yngwie... help!  I can't tell them
                apart! :').  Actually, I like TMacA the best.

                If you love the Yng, you will love these other 
                two.  Their stuff is similar to Yng's RIsing
                force album and George Lynch, Jeff Watson and Brad 
                Gillis play on Tony Mac's 2nd album.

                Cheers, Rob

     Just to name a few:
                        IRON MAIDEN - Wrathchild, Alexander the Great
                                         BY  ADRIAN S AND DAVE M
                        RUSH     - La Villa Strangiato(live), XYZ
                                           ALEX L.
                        DOKKEN      - Mr. Scary
                                           GEORGE L.
                        QUEENSRYCHE - The Lady Wore Black
                                            ???
                        VANDENBERG  - Back On My Feet Again
                                           ADRIAN V
    
    
                                         A FEW ^^^^
                                             LED
    

    I ment to say    RUSH-La Villa Strangiato, and YYZ not XYZ(stupid sh*t)
                                      
                                          oops,
                                           Led

    
    David Navarro - Jane's Addiction
    this guy wails on EVERY song, he's def. got a unique style.
    
    
    /Mike

    
    The solo by Kerry King on "No Sleep Till Brooklyn" by the
    Beastie Boys... your typical Kerry King wicked solo.
    
    

    Re -2..  Ah so.. So another closet opera freak comes out into the open
    (^8**.
    
    
    
    GAZ
    

    
    Listen to Akira's solo on Lightning Strike album.He is another 
    killer solo player too.
    
    
    
       /Kham

    
    Kirk "Wah-Wah" Hammet is the best... IMHO
    
    
    
    Chris

      Re-1
    
       Steve Vai kicks his butt!!!
    
                   Frizkid/HMBP!
    

    
    Posuer Vai...guy caresses the guitar so much you'd think he couldn't
    get a woman.... he should learn to play without looking like he's
    dancing....
    
    
    
    Chris/HMBP

    Oh....My little friend how you are WRONG......
    
             Good thing they don't have drug testing at DEC becausde you'd
    be gone!!!!  8)
    
                        VAI RULES!!
              He plays with more emotion and true skill than that bonehead
    in Mettttttttaaaaallllliicccccaaaa.....
    
                               Frizkid
    
                 

    
    Oh.....My arrogant friend how you are WRONG......
    
    	     Good thing they don't hhave drug testing at DEC becuasde you'd
    be gone!!!!  8)
    
    			HAMMET RULES!!
    		He plays with much more skill and talent than that bonehead
    Vai ever does.
    
    Chris/HMBP 

       Oh..I am arrogant but not naive such as you to the ways of the
    GUITAR  GREATS!
    
                Vai can carry himself.....Hammet is a WAH-WAH abusing
    BLOCKHEAD!!!
    
                           Frizkid/HMBP...Doesn't we can't dissagree!
    
          

     how about Ulrich Roth on the live "speedy's coming"??
    or Michael schenker on the live "Rockbottom"???
    two KILLER solos imnsho!
    -Bilbo the Magnificent
    

    I can do without Ulrich Roth but Michael Schenker is a killer guitarist
    a hero of mine.If you want a good example of his playing,listen to
    the first MSG album and check out Into the Arena,kinda a classic in
    my opinion.
    
    
                                               Staynz

    
    You know Friz, it wouldn't be so bad if you didn't pusdh your opinions
    like they were fact. NOT.

      You know Pete.....My opinions *ARE* fact!!! 8)
    
              ARE!!!
    
                        Frizkid
        

    RE: Kirk Hammett ...
    You're kiddin', right ?  He never has impressed me much.  He's good,
    but he plays like every stroke of the pick is rehearsed to death - too
    predictable.
    
    RE: Steve Vai ...
    Maybe not *the* best, but damn close.  He forgets things that most
    guitar players will never think of ...
    
    RE: Akira Takisaki ...
    Blistering chops, but they're everyone elses.  It's like the greatest
    lix of Rhodes, Lynch, Malmsteen, VanHalen, etc.
    
    Scary (who thinks EVH is *still* years ahead of most of 'em ...)

    IMHO.........I would never dare to put Hammet against Vai and
    Takathingy.Hammet is a good player but the other 2 are just plain
    phenomenal.I had the intense good luck to see Loudness about 5 years
    ago and his playing blew me away.Vai is Vai,a class in his own,he is
    world known.
    
    
                                              Staynz

    How about Neil Young? He may be a crap guitarist technically,but
    he can get some great feed-back. And he admits he`s crap,which i
    admire for some reason.
    
    Joe Strummer.
    

I agree with Staynz, Takisaki is brilliant; I love the last Loudness album.  Vai
is sheer genius, as is Nuno Bettencourt.  Other true (HM) greats are E van Halen,
Joe Satriani, Micheal Schenker.  In point of fact, most of the really great 
guitar heroes seem to comec from the Hard Rock side of the spectrum.  The Thrash
and speed bands need to much support from the Rythm sections to stand out by 
themselves as guitar greats.  Just my opinion as I love Metallica, Anthrax,
Annihilator, etc, but as bands!



GAZ  

I like Kirk, but (IMHO) he's no hero.  Hetfield(!) blows him away, and
he's the "rhythm guitarist".  Eeesh.

Anyway, my vote goes to Marty Friedman.  The dood shreds and has soul.

jc

    
    Hetfield is awesome...and Friedman is great too.
    
    Chris Poland has made a comeback... sounds good to.
    
    Micheal Weikath...phenomenal!
    
    Chris/HMBP

    Chris Poland made a instrumental album and it got really good reviews.
    I liked the guitarist who followed him in Megadeth Jeff thingy(?),tens
    times better at guitar playing than Mustaine.
    I always like Dave Menikettis playing(Y&T)good solid rock/bluesy guitar
    playing with some utterly excellant solos.
    
    
                                                 Staynz

     I almost forgot...Bernie Torme' on Gillian's "Glory Road"

    Guiatist are a penny a half million BUCK! 8P
    
             Frizkid
    

    Ba-domp!

    ROllin!

Q.   How many guitarists does it take to change a lightbulb ??
A.   One - he holds the lighbulb and the world revolves around
     him (her).

jc (Valuing differences)

    I'm starting this topic because I got BEAT TO DEATH by the cynics in
    Satch's topic because I think Joe Satriani is the greatest HEAVY METAL
    guitarist of all time.
    
    If you don't believe in this kind of conjecture then DON'T REPLY!!
    If you do...Who is the greatest??

    I think NO ONE SINGLE GUITARIST is the greatest.  All of them have
    admirable qualities imho.  Players I think deserve note for specific
    areas:
    
    
    Eddie Van Halen -- For bringing forth the importance of rhythm guitar 
    playing.  Eddie's rhythm work is top notch!
    
    Randy Rhoads -- for starting a fusion of Blues-based hard rock and
    classical styles.
    
    Yngwie Malmsteen -- for furthering the fusion of classical ideas and
    heavy metal.  Also for putting an emphasis on improvisation and
    technique.
    
    Steve Vai -- for fusing Jazz, Be-Bop, and hard rock into one of rock's
    most lyrical artists.
    
    Satch -- for doing more of the same that Vai did.
    

    I agree with Buck, you can't just name one great player as the best. 
    I'd name all the ones he listed as my favorites, and I'd probably add:
    
    Paul Gilbert (at least in his Racer X days) for adding such an amazing
    amount of musicality while retaining the tremendous display of
    technique.
    
    re: Buck
    
>    Eddie Van Halen -- For bringing forth the importance of rhythm guitar 
>    playing.  Eddie's rhythm work is top notch!
 
    It's *always* been EVH's rhythm work that blew me away.  His solo's are
    cool too, but it's the rhythm parts that I always loved best.
       
>    Randy Rhoads -- for starting a fusion of Blues-based hard rock and
>    classical styles.
    
    I'd say "furthered" rather then "started", since people like Richie
    Blackmore were starting stuff like that much earlier.
    
    Gh

    The thing that blows me away most about EVH is not only his ability to 
    play killer rhythm (like Buck mentioned), but throwing in the most tasty 
    little fills and stuff.
    
    jc

    Right, exactly!  That's what I consider part of his "rhythm style"!
    
    Outstanding!
    
    gh

    Same goes for Randy Rhoads... There's some of the most awesome playing
    on the albums he's on!
    

    If you want pure top notch guitar then you should listen to more
    classical or jazz players. The could smoke the players in R&R....
    
           Friz
    

    Al DiMeola is cool...

    How about Frank Gamboulie(SP)??  Alot of the guitarist I know think
    he's kickin'!
                   Friz
    

    Yeah, I really like EVH's rythem guitar too...plus his early lead stuff
    kinda blew me away too ('till I learned how to do hammer-ons).
    Even once I was able to copy it, I still think it's cool 'cause he was
    the first to use it.
    
    I like Paul Gilbert a lot too...I saw Mr. Big here in Seattle not to
    long ago.  Billy Sheehan's awsome too.
    
    I don't count Al Dimeola or any of those classical guys 'cause they
    don't have to learn how to control heavy effects and distortion.
    
    I love Eddies tone...and Satch's too...it's an art.
    
    Now don't anybody ask me how I note in my sleep, o.k.?
    
    -Stephen
    
    Still think Satch rules though...
    

    Sorry to ask this but: Do you note in your sleep? 8)
    
     Hold on..Hold on..You DON'T count classical guys because they don't
    have to handle heavy effects and distortion? EXCUSE ME?  
     That sounds like a cop out to me...And I'm a drummer!!!
       
          Friz
    

>     That sounds like a cop out to me...And I'm a drummer!!!
    
    Which means he likes to hang out with musicians...
    
>How about Frank Gamboulie(SP)??  Alot of the guitarist I know think
>    he's kickin'!
    
    Gambale's got incredible chops, but I think his music is really cold
    sounding, not much emotion to it.  
    
    gh

    I studied with oneof Gambale's students (Shaun Baxter) and Frank's
    playing strikes me as being very non musical. Almost like a machine
    churning out static arppeggion after arppeggio. No dynamics or feel at
    all.
    
    He's also TOTALLY bald and wears a wig!!!!! (honest).

    RE: -2
    Naw, not a cop out...shoot I played classical for 18 years.
    My query was who are the great Heavy Metal Guitarists.  I'm not
    counting the nylon string dudes 'cause they don't have Marshall
    stacks and effects to deal with.
    
    -Stephen

B.B. King for his vibrato technique!!!  8*)
Seriously, for being able to say so much with so little notes!
That goes same for David Gilmore!

Stanley Jordan for his whatchamacallit technique.  Totally amazing!!!
But that don't mean a thing, if it ain't got that swing, and he does!

EVH for everything that's been mentioned.

Randy Rhodes for also everything mentioned.

Eric Johnson for putting more of spotlight on fusion/jazz/blues(???)  Hell,
I just know it sounds good, so therefore it must be good!

Rick Emmit, Brad Gillis, Vinnie Moore, Blues Saraceno, John Lee Hooker,
Satch, and so many others have contributed so much to the field!!!

Jmystr

P.S.  Continuation of lightbulb jokes...
How many software engineers does it take to change a light bulb?
None, it's a hardware problem.  8*)

How many guitarists does it take to change a light bulb?
One, but the rest of them stand around and goes "I can do that better!"
8*)

BTW...  This may not belong in here, but does anyone know who plays that
song they use for Colorado tourism commercial?  The one with the killer 
classical guitar set on jazzy background?  I think the song really jams!
Sorta reminds me of the Alchemists material.

Does anyone know?  Blunding mind wants to know!!!

Jmystr

    re: -2
    Yeah, I agree, Stanley Jordon is amazing.... did you see him in that
    movie with Bruce Willis and Kim Bassinger...I forget the title, someone
    help me out....
    
    He plays the fretboard like a keyboard and that will never cease to
    amaze me....
    
    I'm impressed that he was mentioned here 8:)
    
    -Stephen

    Neil Young for being so good at being so bad.
    
    Santana for awesome sustain and latin rock or wot not.
    

Aren't we forgetting Michael Schenker here???

    re-1
    who?

Please see note 860.0 for complete details.

    And in case you forget:  Join the his fanclub, which is so lucky as to
    have him presiding.

    Billy Ray Cyrus for his searing rhythm work on Achy Breaky Heart!
    
    
    PS - Whatever happened to Tristan??

>    If you don't believe in this kind of conjecture then DON'T REPLY!!
>    If you do...Who is the greatest??
    
Buck>    I think NO ONE SINGLE GUITARIST is the greatest.  All of them have
Buck>    admirable qualities imho. 
    
    
Greg>    I agree with Buck, you can't just name one great player as the best. 
    
    Hey you guys didn't follow the directions - he explicitly asked people
    with these opinions not to reply.  ;-)

>    Yeah, I agree, Stanley Jordon is amazing.... did you see him in that
>    movie with Bruce Willis and Kim Bassinger...I forget the title, someone
>    help me out....
    
    I forget the name of the file, but I remember it too.  He's an amazing
    player to watch, but his recordings don't do much for me.  It just
    sounds like two or three sorta sloppy guitarists to me, but watching
    him doing all those parts at the same time is truely amazing!
    
    gh

    the movie is called "blind date".............I think!
    
    
                                                Staynz

    That's it!!
    
    I feel better now...that was really bugging me!   @   @
                                                        0
                                                     \     /
    						      -___-
    
    Thanks!!!
                                                         

RE; .248

<    He's an amazing
<    player to watch, but his recordings don't do much for me.  It just
<    sounds like two or three sorta sloppy guitarists to me, but watching
<    him doing all those parts at the same time is truely amazing!

Although it may be his trademark, that's not all that he does.
Check out "Flying Home".  But then, his music might not be your cup o'T,
tho, Greg.

"Blind Date" is an excellent movie!!!  Didn't show enough of Stanley, 
tho.

Jmystr

>    But then, his music might not be your cup o'T, tho, Greg.                
    
    Why not?  I enjoy jazz.
    
    As I said, I love *watching* Stanley, he's truely amazing.  If I know
    about any show he's on, I make it a point to watch.  But from the album
    of his that I heard, I don't think I could justify buying one (unless I
    happened on it used.
    
    gh

If you want, Greg.  I can give Jeff the CD next time I see him and he
can copy it on tape.

Jmystr

    
    
     I got a chance to see him live once. I'm not a guitar player, but I
    was in awe most of the show. I thought he had a truely amazing style
    and performance. He did a Beatles song that he played 2 guitars at once
    on. I can't remember the song now. A very impressive band also. I'm not
    a jazz fan per say, by I really love Stanley Jordan.
                                                           mike
    

    I saw him on the telly play Eleanor Rigby.I didn't know what the hell
    he was playing 'til about half way through.Good to watch,though!!
    
    
    
    
                                                 Staynz

    How 'bout the greatest all time solos/songs (guitar)??

    The Explorer -- Harry K Cody (Shotgun Messiah)

    The best solo I've EVER heard from a guitarist is when the FACKIN'
    SHUT-UP when someone is trying to talk!!!!!!!!
    
      Besides that...Harry K Cody does rule. 
            Friz
    

"Cliffs of Dover" - Eric Johnson

    
    Anything by Vito Bratta.
    
    He is the ULTIMATE solo player (don't think too much of White Lion or
    his rhythm style though).

Don't want to start a rat hole here or anything... But I just GOTTA say this:

RE: Harry K Cody.  When I first heard it, I was blown away by the guys style 
and speed.  Within a week of owning the CD, I wish they'd get a new guitar 
player.  I think it might be that obnoxious wha-wha pedal on EVERY stinking
song.  Really grates my nerves tho...

jc (There!  I said it !!)

    Friz, how come so many of your replies are uncomprehensible (to me)?
    
    8-P

    Cody rhythm work is brilliant, but hissoloing is kinda forgetable.

    
    BTW, excuse the bad typing but my space bar is up the creak.

    "Hot Dog and Shake"  -Vai

RE: -.1

I'd buy that!  Vai RIPS !!  

I personally like the fills in Paradise on Skyscraper...
Yowza!

Tony - well put dood.  I *do* like his rhythm work a lot.
That stoopid wha-wha has GOT to go tho.  Ick!  Two albums
worth ??

How about a little moderation the Harry!?!?!?
jc

RE: .262

<    Friz, how come so many of your replies are uncomprehensible (to me)?
    
<    8-P

He's a drummer!  8*)

    Who does Harry K. Cody play for?
    
    The name sounds like he'd be some kind of folk guitarist!
    
    |KS|
    

	Hey KS,
	

	He plays for Shotgun Messiah.... 

	But he is not as cool as Michael Scchenker.. ;)


							-Seth

    
    	You people should check out "Guitars that Rule the World", and
    	listen to:
    
    	"Farm Fiddlin'" - Zakk Wylde
    
    	"I Understand Completely" - Paul Gilbert
    
    
    	Both of these songs have amazing riffs/runs, and varying styles
    	within the songs.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    Revelation Mother Earth: Randy Rhoads!!
    

    I know this guy who is a coder for Microsoft(great applications...buggy
    code). He gets all these Japanese CD's and all of these wild guitar
    stuff...The other day I was over there and the conversation turned to
    guitarists.  As usual I went into my "Joe and Stevie are gods" routine
    and he popped in this video tape of this really fat guitarist who lives
    and performs in Memphis (apparrently he won't leave the city). I wish I
    remebered his name...but I don't.
    
    Anyway...I got to admit, the guy was fackin intense.  He was rippin off
    these wild scales and string cross-overs at the speed of sound. I mean,
    you had to admire the guy just for the sheer dexterity he was
    displaying.  It kind of sounded like Paul Gilbert with a bionic left
    hand...
    
    Anybody know who this guy is?  He played a lot of Hendrix in the
    video...Jimi is probably still rolling over in his grave from the ad-
    lib solos he was throwing into the tunes. 
    
    

    I'd say the best guitar solo of all time is "Point It Up" by Larry
    Carlton from his first album, "Room 335".
    
    It contains the most lyrical playing I've ever heard, and for you speed
    demons, it contains a bar of the fastest playing I have ever heard (and
    I've heard all those HM speedsters like Yngwie, Michael Angelo, etc.)

>    I've heard all those HM speedsters like Yngwie, Michael Angelo, etc.)
    
    Michael Angelo...blek!  He's incredibly fast, but I hear nothing
    musical in his style.  
    
    Now, I've seen a *lot* of guitar players over the years, and the only
    two who completely put my jaw on the floor live were Alan Holdsworth
    (right after "Metal Fatigue" came out), and Steve Vai (with David Lee
    Roth).  
    
    Many of the others put on wonderful shows, like Satch, Jeff Beck, and
    many others, but didn't completely blow me away like Holdsworth and
    Vai.
    
    gh

    re: .274 (G_HOUSE)
    
    I find Holdsworth a little frustrating.
    
    The guy is an incredible guitar player both musically and technically.
    
    But I have one problem with him.  His songs always start out with these
    incredibly musical themes but all end up having these "blows"
    (sorta a term for a typically LONG jazz horn solo) that are so long
    that they obscure the sense of composition and theme.  
    
    The solos are incredible in their own right, but frankly, I'd like to
    see Holdsworth attempt to write more structured music rather than sorta
    intros to the solos.
    
    I mean, most guys you make that accusation about write boring or
    cliched stuff around the solos, but Holdsworth's stuff is so incredibly
    good that you want to hear those ideas developed a bit more.
    
    "Metal Fatigue" and "I.O.U" are my favorite AH albums and are ripe with
    examples of good music spaced apart by long solos.
    
    Actually, I thought AH in U.K. was a great thing because he was more or
    less forced into this kind of thinking/writing and I think that's a
    great album because of that.

    re: db/Holdsworth
    
    It's one of those things you either love or hate, IMO.  I happen to
    love it.  It's like a big dichotomy in a lot of the songs.  Like you
    say, both parts are excellent, the solos and the rest of the songs.  I
    like the way they're put together, but I know a lot of people can't get
    into it.  Plus Holdsworth uses a lot of dissonant harmonies, giving his
    solos a real "out" feel, which makes some of them seem sort of out of
    place.  I like that feel, so I get into 'em.
    
    Truely an amazing player to watch live, not just for the solos (which
    are breathtaking), but watching how he plays his chordal work is just
    incredible.  His hands are huge and he makes a lot of use of that
    attribute in his chord voicings, which often span a *lot* of the
    fretboard.  Very frightening to watch, you should definately see him if
    you get the chance!
    
    Greg

    I've seen Holdsworth a bunch of times.
    
    Hope I didn't give the impression that I don't absolutely love
    Holdsworth.  It's just that as good as his stuff is, I find myself
    wanting something just a bit different out of him.
    
    As you sorta mentioned, I think the most amazing thing about Holdsworth
    is that even though his solos sound incredible "out", they "make
    sense".
    
    I keep meaning to buy that book on Holdsworth because I've heard that
    he has basically reinvented music - that is, he has his OWN version of
    music theory (chords, scales, etc.)
    
    Contrast that with say, that Vernon Reid from "Living Colour" who
    definitely plays "out" but to these ears, none of it makes sense.  It
    really sounds like all he's doing is moving his fingers in random
    patterns as fast as he can.  In fact, to me, Reid's rhythm work sounds
    virtuosic, but his solo work sounds like "kids stuff" - the kind of
    thing you'd expect to hear coming out of teenagers in a noisey music
    store.
    
    I have to be careful saying that though.  Frank Zappa used to strike
    me in the same way ("out" without "making musical sense").  A good
    example was the solo on "Fifty-fifty" (from "Overnite Sensation").
    
    That Zappa solo used to not make sense to me.  But if you listen
    closely you'll find that Zappa IS following the chord changes.  The
    modality of what he plays changes with each chord.
    
    Oddly enough, now that solo "makes sense" to me and it's my favorite
    Zappa solo.  I really get off on even just that very first note he
    plays.  It's the honkiest sound I've ever heard.  Sounds like a guitar
    blowing its nose!

    Hey DB....Steve Morse is playing a little dinky club here in the
    Springs.....Why should I go see him?
    
           Friz
    

    >                        -< I'm I going to fall asleep? >-
    
    WENDY*Oparse(tm)???
    
    8^)

    (Oppss) I asked for a new program and she gave it to me!
    Even without me knowing....What a killer program it is too!
    
           Friz
    

I'm gonna go see him just to see what the hub-bub is about.

I saw him with the Dregs a few years ago when they opened up for
Rush (or maybe it was just Steve M by himself...).  He gets one more
chance.  :)

>    I've seen Holdsworth a bunch of times.
    
    Wish I could say the same, I've only gotten to see him once.  
    
>    As you sorta mentioned, I think the most amazing thing about Holdsworth
>    is that even though his solos sound incredible "out", they "make
>    sense".
    
    Yes!  I'm not a theory wizard, but I can say that they make sense to my
    untrained ear.  I understand your comparison to Vernon Reid, because I
    hear that too.  I still like Reid, but for different reasons.  And I've
    seen Living Colour and, while they put on an absolutely *amazing* show
    as a whole, I was not so totally impressed with Reid as I've been with
    Holdsworth and Vai.
    
>    I keep meaning to buy that book on Holdsworth because I've heard that
>    he has basically reinvented music - that is, he has his OWN version of
>    music theory (chords, scales, etc.)
    
    Maybe we're thinking of a different book, but I have one and I didn't
    think it had anything in it about him "reinventing music".  It does
    have an interesting bio and some interesting quotes from Holdsworth and
    the sheet music and tab for several of his songs.  I couldn't play any
    of the ones I tried, the chord spacings were too big for my hand, but I
    thought it was interesting to read it and look over what he did.
    
>    Contrast that with say, that Vernon Reid from "Living Colour" who
>    definitely plays "out" but to these ears, none of it makes sense.  It
>    really sounds like all he's doing is moving his fingers in random
>    patterns as fast as he can.  In fact, to me, Reid's rhythm work sounds
>    virtuosic, but his solo work sounds like "kids stuff" - the kind of
>    thing you'd expect to hear coming out of teenagers in a noisey music
>    store.
    
    Sometimes, but some of his solos are point on in terms of the key.  I'm
    sure he does what he's doing quite intentionally, since I've heard him
    play some very melodic solos (for example, "Love Rears It's Ugly
    Head").  I think a lot of his solos are just trying to capture an
    "energy" or a "feel" without saying anything directly (like the one in
    "Cult Of Personality", totally out).  He treads the edge of being out
    of control and I like to hear that.  I happen to like the "wildness" of
    Reid's solo work, but I can easily understand how it wouldn't appeal to
    everyone.  I completely agree about his rhythm work, excellent.
    
> Frank Zappa used to strike
>    me in the same way ("out" without "making musical sense").  A good
>    example was the solo on "Fifty-fifty" (from "Overnite Sensation").
 
    Sounds interesting, I'll have to get that one and check it out. 
    Although I've enjoyed most of Zappa's work that I've heard, I've never
    managed to acquire any of his albums for some reason.
    
    gh
                       

    > I saw him with the Dregs a few years ago when they opened up for
    > Rush (or maybe it was just Steve M by himself...).  He gets one more
    > chance.  :)
    
    That wasn't the Dregs - it was an earlier version of the Steve Morse
    band.
    
    I saw that tour too - it sucked.  He was trying too hard to appeal to
    the Rush audience.   That's not his thing.  He did mostly tunes with
    vocals despite being an instrumentalist!  Plus, his music isn't suited
    to "arenas".  Everytime he played fast, it sounded like a blur due to
    the echo.  
    
    I'm looking forward to hearing your reaction.

    >  Hey DB....Steve Morse is playing a little dinky club here in the
    >  Springs.....Why should I go see him?
    
    Because despite all the hype about Joe Satriani ;-) (whom I also think
    is great), Morse won Guitar Player's "Best Overall" category for five
    straight years until they made a rule that said you were ineligible
    after 5 years.  
    
    I.E. you should go see him because serious guitar players (Guitar
    Player readers) as opposed to the 14 year old white males that read
    rags like "Guitar for the Practicing Leather-clad Poseur" and "Heavy
    Metal Guitar World" think he is the best with no close second.
    
    Of course, I personally am not into comparing guitarists.  ;-)
    
    	db - who is having a good time poking fun at all this stuff 

    God that was fun.   Hope I didn't offend anybody.
    
    ;-)

>    rags like "Guitar for the Practicing Leather-clad Poseur" and "Heavy
>    Metal Guitar World" think he is the best with no close second.
    
    I am ROLLIN!!!

    Too funny!
    
    gh

    DB...I'm a drummer.  Why would I care about stupid guitar rags?
        I'm still not sure I wanna go see him...
    
       Friz
    

    If you compare Morse and Satch pound for pound...Morse is the more
    polished player, more versatile, more 'technically correct'.
    
    Fact is though, Joe would have an easier time playing Morses' style
    than Morse would have playing Joe's. (Something niether of them would 
    attempt).
    
    Satch fans are closet head bangers...in my case I grew up on classical
    and jazz.  My buddies in high school always played Rush and Van Halen
    and Judas Priest when I was around. I started to like the stuff.  But
    when heard Joe I was done for life...no need to stick a fork in me.
    
    He combines the virtuosity of a clasiical pianist with the 'Down and
    Dirtyness' of a head-banger.  I like that a lot.
    
    Friz, go see Morse.  Whether you a drummer or not, you are still a
    musician.  Morse is a VERY competant composer and perfomer...you'll enjoy
    the show.
    
    If you're going just to check out the drumming...pass.
    
    Wait till Joe comes around with the Bissonette.
    
    -Stephen

    >If you're going just to check out the drumming...pass.
    
    I might have said that about Vinnie Moore at Rack-N-Roll, but
    his drummer and (especially his bassist) were MORE than worth the
    admission.
    
    The bass player played circles around Moore...
    
    How about going to see the combo ??
    It's not HOW you play, it's WHO you play WITH, and how you work
    as a band.
    :)
    jc
    
              

    re: .289
    
    You know, to be honest, it's great that you love Satch so much that
    you have to convince the rest of the world that he's better than anyone
    else.
    
    To be SO into one artist is truly an wonderful thing.  Believe me, I
    know.   However (as I learned), you have to understand that it often
    causes you to see things in a biased way, and you get yourself involved
    in silly arguments like this, the kind that most of us gave up after
    high school.
    
>    If you compare Morse and Satch pound for pound...Morse is the more
>    polished player, more versatile, more 'technically correct'.
    
    Agreed.
    
>    Fact is though, Joe would have an easier time playing Morses' style
>    than Morse would have playing Joe's.
    
    It boggles my mind that you would say that, or even further offer it
    as "fact".
    
    1) For one thing , as you said (in the previous sentence), Morse is the 
       more versatile player.  I mean that you could say those two 
       sentences in succession is rather revealing.
    
    2) Your claim about versatility seems to be supported by his domination
       of the "Best Overall" category, which is given for versatility
    
    3) You have ALSO said (in another note which was wisely deleted but I
       happened to save) that "anyone can hammer-on and trill".
    
       Hammer-ons and trills are the largest part of Joe's speed.  Most
       of his fastest runs are hammer-ons.
    
       For the most part, Morse picks every note, although like "anyone"
       he can also hammer-on and trill.  His picking technique is much
       more advanced than Satriani's.
    
       Satriani does not appear to have the technique to do most of Morse's 
       stuff.   The lack of that one technique almost single-handedly
       invalidates your statement.  As I said in 455, Satch probably
       couldn't play "Tumeni Notes" (although I suspect Vai, who also
       has excelled picking technique could).
    
    4) If you have all those Morse albums you ought to know how hard it is
       to answer the following question: "What style does Morse play in?"
    
       Classical?  Country?  Funk?  Jazz?  Rock?  Heavy Metal?  Celtic?
       Blue Grass?  New Age? etc. etc.
    
       It's impossible to answer that question because he plays such an
       incredible variety of styles.  I've seen his albums in jazz bins,
       rock bins, country bins, etc. 
    
      How many of those styles have you heard Satch play in?
    
    Now do I offer these to promote Morse as the "better" guitar player.
    
    Absolutely not.
    
    I offer these as NON-SUBJECTIVE indications that anyone who is going to
    make the claim it's a "fact" that Satriani could handle Morse's stuff
    easier than vice-versa is ignoring a lot of reality.
    
    I don't really care who could cover who easier.  I like Morse a lot
    more, but I don't go around like you making statements of "fact" about
    things we speculate they could do, or (worse yet) how he's "better"
    than anyone else.
    
    The only "fact" is that you like him more than Morse.  I'd suggest that
    in writing your notes, you'd shy away from the hero worship and "stick
    to the facts".

    RE: db
    
    Well said.

    Morse has an incredible bass player playing with him right now named
    Dave LaRue.  
    
    This guy often doubles Morse's lead lines and does INTERESTING MUSICAL
    bass solos (I regard most bass solos as superflous) that are also major
    technical feats.
    
    	db

    re: db
 �   He would describe Satch's tunes as low cost/performance, and Morse's
 �   tunes as high cost/performance.
    
 �   That is where cost is "how hard it is to learn" and performance is "how
 �   impressive it sounds".
    
    Please remember that some of us mere mortals have just bitten the
    bullet and went back to a tutor for the first time in *ahem* years, and
    realised that a) Your Picking technique now sucks in a major fashion!
    		  b) Your tutor picks out a nice easy tune like Satch's
    		     Always with me etc... and you can play the opening
    		     10-15 bars and then go into brain melt down coz the
    		     way you've always played it sounds like SH*T!
    		  c) You should never have stop going to a tutor!
    
    
    Bonzo (Aches & pains due to extreme stress playing and PRACTICE)

    THis is what .-1 is in reply to:
    
    I had deleted it.
    
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    Wanted to add one more thing.  I didn't add this originally because I
    thought that this particular thing is sorta subjective, but I now think
    it's still worth mentioning.
    
    I have several Morse transcriptions and several Satch transcriptions
    that I've played through.
    
    In general I find that Morse is good at making difficult things sound
    easy.  The easiest sounding songs are often the toughest to play.
    I can actually play through a bit of "Tumeni" notes at, like half
    speed.
    
    I can't play a lick from "Country Colors".  He uses an artificial
    harmonic technique that involves playing chords as harmonics and I
    can't even get the notes to sound cleanly at ANY speed.
    
    I find that Satriani is (like Van Halen) a master at making up easy
    things that sound difficult.  (I don't view that as any lesser a skill
    than Morse - I'd rather have Satch's skill in fact).  I was able to
    learn most of the Satch tunes at 3/4 - full speed that I set out to
    learn.
    
    A student of mine has a great nomenclature for this kind of stuff:
    
    He would describe Satch's tunes as low cost/performance, and Morse's
    tunes as high cost/performance.
    
    That is where cost is "how hard it is to learn" and performance is "how
    impressive it sounds".
    
    ;-)
    
    	db
    
    

    DB...Get the 'L off my fackin' back...
    
    What is your problem with me anyway?? Did I not leave the Satch notes
    file?  If I worship Joe without objectivity, should I not be able to do
    it in his own topic?
    
    Where can I go to now to get away from you??  I own my opinion that Joe
    Satriani is the Greatest Heavy Metal Guitarist of all time.  Morse is 
    NOT A HEAVY METAL GUITARIST.
    
    All this cr@p about how Satch always does hammer-ons is just Ka-Ka. 
    Joe is as technically adept as anybody out there (give or take a few
    days of practice).
    
    I started a topic at the end of the notes file addressing the greatest
    and the mod moved it here...not my fault.  I STARTED ANOTHER TOPIC TO
    GET AWAY FROM YOU, DB!!!!!
    
    And when I left, you said you thought I would never leave...
    
    YET HERE YOU ARE AGAIN LIKE A RECURRING NIGHTMARE!!!
    
    Man, I feel like I'm Japanese and trying to buy a baseball team...
    
    To every note that I have ever wrote please add these three letters!
    
    IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO
    IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO
    IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO
    
    -SILLY ME...I THOUGHT THAT THAT MIGHT BE IMPLIED...
    
    -Stephen

    But really, what do you think about Morse ?   8^)
    
    Seriously, you should be as humble abot Satch as Satch is himself. 
    Always remember that most of today's heroes can be slain by a flock of
    13 year old burners - I've heard PLENTY of them myself.
    
    Mellow out will ya ?  Nobody's keepin' score, so there's no way you can
    win ...
    
    Scary  

    re: .296 WHITE_ST
    
    > IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO IMO
    >    -SILLY ME...I THOUGHT THAT THAT MIGHT BE IMPLIED...
    
    Silly me, when someone says something is a "fact", I tend to think it's
    more than an "opinion".
    
>    What is your problem with me anyway?? 
    
    OUR (not just me) problem with you is that in your total worship of
    Satriani you fail to notice that your remarks go on the offensive
    about OTHER noters heroes.
    
    And you have the audacity to think a posthumously added "IMO" entitles
    you to have your remarks go unanswered.
    
>   Where can I go to now to get away from you??  
    
    Nowhere.  Corporate policy disallows us from preventing either of us
    from participating in recreational notesfiles.
    
    You can (and in fact "did") exactly what I did: which is to say
    in essence "I wish you'd go away".
    
    Thus you have only the same options as the rest of us: Stop saying
    things that provoke fans of people you don't think are as good as
    Satriani, or learn to deal with the response.
    
    Your choice dude.
    
    p.s.
    
    >> I've seen his albums in jazz bins, rock bins, country bins, etc.
    
    > Morse is NOT a heavy metal guitarist
    
    I guess I should've explicitly mentioned that I've also seen his albums
    in heavy metal bins.  ;-)

    
    Let's just admit it...

    
    I'm the greastest guitarist ever...
    
    
    
    
    
    ok... I'm not.. but I still got the .300!!

    Stephen....Calm down. How would you feel if everyone just ignored your
    notes? 8)  I think Db has alot of great points and you're ignoring them
    and taking them the wrong way.
    
    Chris: You can't play and you look bad while you do it....GEt a life
    and become someone who can't play BUT looks good while they're doing
    it.  8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
    

    Chris: Change your name to Kyle E Coyote and become someone!
    8^)

    
    
    what a stupid name!
    
    
    

    HEY!!HEY!HEY!!! You forgot he changed it again you losers. 8)
    
     Friz
    

    -2: Whatever...I have not said anything bad about any guitarists
    mentioned here...This a a different topic that Satch's.  Besides
    I deleted all thoses topics...I'm not some politician who needs his
    track record checked every time he runs for office.  I'm just a noter.
    GEESH!!!
    
    -3:  I LOVE MORSE...The reason I'm not modest for Joe is that when I
    see his name as a nominee for all these awards, and still no major
    recognition by the main stream public...It frustrates me a little
    that's all.  Joe always gets viewed as some kind of novelty...
    Yeah you're right...some new talent could come along and replace him as
    the Heavy Metal Guru and Teacher...till then I give the master his
    due... Just like Vai, Hammett, Paul Schaffer, and a myriad of his other
    students and fans do.  
    
    -2:(again) Calling a guitarist "over-rated" is hardly tantemount to 
    "bashing".  I got an opinion...big deal...I listen to all of the other 
    noters and when someone suggests I listen to something I always do...
    
    One thing about me though...I play Heavy Metal Guitar.  No more no less.
    I paid my dues in the ranks of symphony orchestra's and jazz bands.
    Stick a fork in me...I'm done. Metal or Die!!!!
      
    
    -Stephen

>    -2: Whatever...I have not said anything bad about any guitarists
>    mentioned here...
    
    Hmmm... let's put it this way:
    
    What would your reaction be if someone in here wrote a note saying:
    
    	"Fact is though, Eric Clapton would have an easier time playing
    	 Satch's style than Satch would have playing Eric's."
    
    We're ALL sure that you would have exactly the reaction you expected
    from us in response to your note:
    
    	"Well, this person is just expressing an 'opinion' which he's entitled
         to.  I myself may disagree, but I won't respond because after
         all this IS the Eric Clapton note and people are allowed to
         worship Eric Clapton without objectivity here."
    
    Now that WOULD be how YOU would react wouldn't it Stephen?

>    Chris: Change your name to Kyle E Coyote and become someone!
    
    And get a rack the size of Wyoming...
    8^)

    RE: .305
    
    Well I would probably begin with something like, "I don't agree".
    
    Besides, I deleted that note.
    
    Give it a break...I'm sorry if I offended any Clapton fans.  You offend
    me on a regular basis. 8*)
    

    The straws are getting thin huh?
    
      Friz
    

    >  Well I would probably begin with something like, "I don't agree".
    
    Uh huh.
    
    >  Besides, I deleted that note.
    
    After criticizing everyone else for reacting to it the same way you'd
    no doubt react to a "Satriani sucks" note.
    
    > Give it a break...I'm sorry if I offended any Clapton fans.  You
    > offend me on a regular basis. 8*)
    
    Sheesh!  Why don't YOU give it a break.  8*)

Clapton sucks.

Wagagagagagagaaaaa...

Last few teens on the FEUD...

YAAAWWWWWWNNNNN!!!

Give it up guys, everyone knows the Road Runner is the world's greatest
guitarist!!!

Of course, R.R. was also known as Randy Rhodes during his music career, but
didn't want to give away his true identity so he played lousy and played 
with Ozzy, which was actually Wyle Coyote dressed in human fat(if you don't 
believe this, their name even sound similar; Ozzy~Coyote, and how about
"Bark at the Moon"?).
8*)

Jmystr

    re: J.
    
    I think you been workin too many late nights, dude!
    
    gh

    Or maybe he's turning that Mesa-Boogie amp up too loud?
    
     Friz
    

Well, it stopped the cat fight, didn't it?

8*)

Hey, has anyone seen Wylie and Ozzy in the same room?
And how about Road Runner and Randy Rhodes?  See!!??  

And, and what would Wylie do if he was to ever catch that bird?
And what did the Ozzy do with the chicken?  See??!!  It was the Wylie's 
pent up frustration rearing its ugly head when dressed as a fat man, he
grabbed what looked to be a Road Runner, and bit its head off!  Seeing 
this, Randy, realizing that if Ozzy was to ever find out his true identity
that his life was in danger, faked his own death, quit music business, and
focused on his cartoon career instead.  See!!??  Doesn't this make sense???

I rest my case!  8*)

Jmystr

    Take your head away from the amp...
    
    That's it...slowly, slowly....nobody's gonna hurt you...
    
    Now...let go of the guitar...give me the guitar...

    re:-1.........AHAHHHHHHHHHHHHAAHAAHAHHHH!!!..........now that's my kind
    of humor!!..................;').................................../k

    re: Stephen
    
    I'm ROLLIN!!!  Hilarious!!
    
    gh

J - You are obviously not too "into" The RoadRunner, or you would
know that Wile E. Coyote DID catch the bird once...

jc

<    Take your head away from the amp...
    
<    That's it...slowly, slowly....nobody's gonna hurt you...

I want my mommy....
    
<    Now...let go of the guitar...give me the guitar...

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

<J - You are obviously not too "into" The RoadRunner, or you would
<know that Wile E. Coyote DID catch the bird once...

They don't let me watch T.V. in this padded cell... 8*)

J-"straight jacket memories and sedative highs"-mystr

P.S. 
RANDY ROADRUNNER, RANDY ROADRUNNER, RANDY ROADRUNNER, RANDY ROADRUNNER, 
RANDY ROADRUNNER, RANDY ROADRUNNER, RANDY ROADRUNNER, RANDY ROADRUNNER, 
RANDY ROADRUNNER, RANDY ROADRUNNER, RANDY ROADRUNNER, RANDY ROADRUNNER, 
RANDY ROADRUNNER, RANDY ROADRUNNER, RANDY ROADRUNNER, RANDY ROADRUNNER, 
RANDY ROADRUNNER, RANDY ROADRUNNER, RANDY ROADRUNNER, RANDY ROADRUNNER, 

    Thought I'd poke back in here and stir up a few ashes with WHITE_ST.
    
    ;-)
    
    From the guitar notesfile:
    
    --------------------------------------------------------------
    
>>    Today's paper says Satch will be appearing on the Tonight Show this
>>    evening.  They didn't say whether he would be singing...
    
> A thoroughly unimpressive performance.
    
    If you want to see how a REAL guitar god plays on the Tonite Show,
    tune in tonite to watch:
    
    		STEVE MORSE and the DIXIE DREGS!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Yep, they're going to be on tonite's show.

    Steve Morse...Bleechh......
    
    I bought High tension wires and was totally unimpressed.
    
     Generic country style noodling at hi speed...
    
    
     

    re: -1
    
    Yeah, High Tension Wires was pretty lame-o I thought too!  Check out
    the album that came out after that... I can't remember the name of it,
    but it has gears and machinery on the cover.  Southern Steel it might
    be called.  It's a lot better, and it isn't country sounding
    even though it has the word "Southern" in the title!
    
    |KS|
    

    
    	"Southern Steel" it is ... "Cut to the Chase" [from the movie
    	"Ski Patrol"] rips!!
    
    							GTI
    

    Steve Morse joins the Billy Ray Cyrus Band!

    Or check out "Dregs of the Earth" by the Dregs.
    
    "High Tension Wires" is not typical of Morse although I treasure that
    album - sorta "Morse does New Age".

    Ah, but is there any Steve Morse album that you *don't* treasure, Dave?
    
    gh

    > Ah, but is there any Steve Morse album that you *don't* treasure, Dave?
    
    I'd hate to be without any of them, there there are some I certainly
    don't "Treasure" and rarely listen to.
    
    On the other hand, I'm about to sell all my Satch albums my neighbors
    14-year-old - he's getting bored with his MC Hammer records.  ;-)

    
    Buck, a blast from the past four you... your suffering will be
    legendary!! 8^)
    
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    Yngwie - Little Savage
    ^^^^^^
    anything by Brian May of Queen
    Frenzy - Racer X
    
    Buck

    
    So much for Scary's prediction; looks like they're here to stay...
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    Sorry to disapoint you Extreme fans, but a few months down the road
    nobody will remember them.  They're like too many other bands right
    now.  The projects that Jake E. Lee has been associated with (Ozzy
    and Badlands) I feel will stand the test of time.  Jake proved he
    could burn with Ozzy, now he proves he can simmer with Badlands.
    No comparison in my book ... (but who reads my book anyway  8^)
    
    
    
    
    				Jake E. Scary ...

    What do you think about BONZO'S drumsolo Moby Dick on "The song remains
    the same"? Very nice from Bonzo,......
    
    
    
                         jopi
    

    
    I think Bonzo is shite...
    
    

    Rep on .332
    In place of "dust fills your eyes" it must be "dust fills your ears"
    I wish the same to YOU
    
    
    
          jopi
    

    
    Bonzo had a great right foot, but that's about it. His solo is
    fantastic though.
    
    This has been another Cookster opinionated ~/~ reply.
    
    
    8-)
    
    -prc

    
    he worked well with the band, but as far as a drummer, utter shite :').
    
    

    I don't think he's up to the technical standards of today's drummers,
    but I always LOVED the sound of his drums.  
    
    And so do a lot of other people.  In fact, one of the test cases of
    sampling copyright issues was a group that sampled his drums and
    used them as their drum kit.

    Hey, check out this discussion on the Kansas Internet mailing list
    that someone just forwarded to me:
    
From:	US2RMC::"[email protected]" "Jeremy Black"  5-AUG-1994 11:51:49.44
To:	[email protected]
CC:	[email protected]
Subj:	Re: Vocals and replacements

>> Steve Morse is a rock guitar virtuoso.  I have a small collection of
>> guitar solo albums and all of the VH albums, and still believe Morse
>> has no equal.  He can play any style with brilliance.  Best of all,
>> he knows what to play.  The guitar solo in the middle of "Rainmaker"
>> is a work of art.

> Now, don't take this wrong; I'm just curious: Didn't I say pretty much
> exactly that about Mr. Morse in the paragraph following the one you
> quoted?  In this sense, Steve Morse is certainly not a "standard" rock
> guitar virtuoso -- he's quite extraordinary.

My appologies... I guess I misinterpreted what you said to think that
Satriani or EVH were better musicians.  They are very talented and the
guitar world owes a great deal to them, but they lack the *depth* of
capability which Morse has. <IMHO>

    opinions are like noses.  Everyone has one and they smell.

    
    	Noses, huh?
    
    							GTI

    >> I dedicate this note to "Mikey's Satch delusion"
    
    > opinions are like noses.  Everyone has one and they smell.
    
    It may have been an "opinion", but putting Satch above Morse is
    "delusion" dude.

Just sticking my two ha'porth in here.

Michael Schenker has the market on my favoutite solos completely sewn up.

For UFO -

Only you can Rock me	(Obsession / Strangers in the Night)
Love to Love		(Lights Out / Strangers in the Night)

For MSG -

Never Trust A Stranger	(MSG 2)
Looking for Love	(MSG 2)


THE BEST

Try Me		UFO - Lights Out


Other Honourable mentions (most of which ahve been in other replies)

Alex Lifeson	-	In The End
Just about anything by Randy Rhodes or Eddie Van Halen	
Ritchie Blackmore	-	Weiss Heim (more an instrumental than a solo to 
				be honest, but bl**dy good anyway)

    
    	And for those of you who would like to join the Michael Schenker
    	fan club, please see note 860.
    
    							GTI

    
    Yeah! Michael Schenker.  Check out "Into the Arena," off
    his first album.
    
    Kev --
    

    into the arena is excellant!
    
    
    
    							ian

    Voodoo Child (slight return).....dooo do dooo dooooooo!!