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IPG::PERKINS                                          3 lines   7-JUN-1988 03:52
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    Can someone tell me a bit about Kingdome Come?
    
    Philippa
    

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WILVAX::BOURQUE                                       7 lines   7-JUN-1988 05:57
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    THEY ARE GREAT,
            BUT....SOUND TOO MUCH LIKE ZEPPLIN
    
    
                                         JIM....TAMA
    

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SUBURB::DALLISON "Hot or What????"                    6 lines   7-JUN-1988 06:07
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    Quote from Robert Plant on Kingdom Come...
    
    "This is beyond being a mark of respect...this is blatant stealing"
    
    -Tony
    

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RAVEN1::JERRYWHITE "No contest your honor ..."        8 lines   7-JUN-1988 06:46
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    As far as Kindom Come goes, I think you'll love 'em or hate 'em.
    No middle ground.  True, they are Zeppelin made over, and they show
    their influences WAY too much, but I (for what it's worth) enjoy
    the CD a lot, just because.
    
    
    				Mr Scary II (with yet another opinion)
    
    

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USHS08::DAVIS2 "You need wings to stay above it."    10 lines   7-JUN-1988 07:58
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	Oooh...ooh I found a middle ground.  I don't love 'em and
    	I don't hate 'em.  I despise them for stealing Zep's sound,
    	but then somebody had to do it (since Zep ain't doin' it no
    	more).  Maybe if they have enough time, they can actually
    	come up with some original concepts that are an extension 
    	of Zep, rather than a copy of them... maybe.
    
    	-=[MOSAT]=-
    	(Too old to forget, to young to care)

                         
    Quote from Lenny Wolf (lead vocalist of Kingdom Come) whilst being
    interviewed about the KINGDOM/ZEP conflict: 
                                               
    	"When somebody knows what they want, people call it 
    	arrogance. I call it insecurity on their part".
                                                              
    Sums the situation up well.                               
                                                              
                                                              
    Robert Plant on Coverdale:                                
                                                              
    "Coverdale?? what a Wa*k*r and I want my money back.  And when I see
    him I'm gonna get it back".                               
                                                              
    Why does Plant hold such a grudge against Coverdale??  O.k so Coverdale
    dyed his hair blonde.  So what???? so did lots of other people too.
    Does Plant think he is so good that everybody in the entire flipping
    business wants a cut in on his act??  Coverdale apparently throws the 
    same sort of poses as Plant used to but.  cr*p!!  Coverdales been
    doing those poses of his for ages.  Has it taken Plant so long to
    notice??? The Voice:  I fail to hear ANY similarity between Coverdales
    and Plants voice.   
                         
    Sorry if I've offended any hard-core Zepp fans, I am not questioning
    the credibility or the greatness of the band itself, but I feel quite 
    strong about this one.
                     
    -Tony who_is_about_to_be_flattened_by_the_responce_of_ZEP_fans

    Robert Plant's basic point of view is this:
    
    (paraphrased)
    "Hey, it's been done. It's been done as good as it's gonna be done.
     Even I can't recreate it (sound, feeling, or whatever), so why
     do others try so hard. Why not keep moving forward, instead of
     trying to recreate the past."
    
    I tend to agree in principle with what he is saying, but I also
    happen to like Whitesnake, and "Get It On" (guilty pleasures!).
    So I guess I'm on both sides of the fence.
    
    Alan S.
    
    P.S. If "Tall Cool One" was on one station, and "Still of the Night"
         on another, I have no idea which one I would pick!

    Being a ZEP fan, I figure if ZEP's not going to put out any new
    material, then I'll take the next best thing.  Right now, the next
    best thing is Kingdom Come.
    
    Chris D.

    
    	   I don't know... one of the things I liked about Zep was
    	that no two of their albums sounded the same.  They were all
    	completely original, way ahead of their time, and totally
    	unpredictable.  Anything that sounds like anything Zep ever
    	did before doesn't sound like Zep for just that reason...
    	there was no definitive Zep sound... they changed it with 
    	every song.
    
    	   Mind you, I've got nothing against a band that wants to
    	pick up where Zep left off, but one that merely copies their
    	old sounds fills me with inertia.
    
    	-=[MOSAT]=-
    	(remembering days gone by)

    
    re .9
    
    -=[MOSAT]=-
    	(remembering days gone by)
        
    Is it my imagination or is the mighty -=[MOSAT]=- starting to repeat
    his slogans?????? :-)

    As a long,long,long time Led Zeppelin fan I think this has gotten
    out of hand.We now have Zebra(or had),Great White and now KINGDOM
    COME - rip offs of what is the greatest Rock and Roll band that ever
    lived! The weak Robert Plant sing alike's are enough to turn my
    stomach! What happened to originality? This shows how bad off the
    music industry must be to promote garbage like this.It is to
    bad that a band has to border(?) on plagiarism to become popular,it
    is even more sorry that people get j*rked *ff by it.

    
        I beg to differ, but Zebra is NOT a Led Zeppelin rip-off.
        They have a style all their own, and the lead singer sings
        alot higher then Robert Plant.
    
        Listen to 'Tell Me What You Want' and tell me they sound like
        Zeppelin.
    
        I think not.
    
                                                           Shawn GTI
    

    Well...maybe I got a little carried away,but the other two ARE
    definitely a RIP-OFF! - MD

    KINGDOM RIPP OFFF is the right name for them,
    the guitar player fro them is trying to say
    that he has never heard JIMMY's music before
    COME ON! you espect me to believe that. Any one
    invovled in the music industry has heard the 
    music from the best band there ever was, with
    one exception yeah right!

    
    	   As it turns out, however, he is right.  Who on the face
    	of this planet could possibly say with a straight face that
    	they have NEVER heard any Led Zep?  Even Granny Watkins, a 
    	90-year-old Burt Bacharac fan has heard Jimmy's playing
    	come through the boombox of a nearby teenager while waiting
    	at the bus stop.  Do me a favor!  Never heard of Zep?  What
    	planet do YOU come from, Kingdom Come?
    
    	-=[MOSAT]=-
    	(specializing in ripping stupid statements to pieces (these
    	days)
    

    	Have any of you metalheads ever listened to Stone Fury? They
    had an album out a few years back- 'Break Down the Walls' was the
    biggest 'hit'. I think the album was called _Burns Like a Star_;my
    copy's about 850 miles away or I'd check.  ANYWAY, and this is a
    well-educated guess, listening to both the Stone Fury and Kingdom
    Come albums I'd say that the guitarist and the singer from Stone
    Fury formed/joined Kingdom Come.  If this is the case and I remember
    my guitar player history, the guitarist in question is from Germany
    and actually grew up quite ignorant of most of rock music due to
    parental influence.  Any help on this?
    
    John

    
    Kingdom comes lead guitarist is called Danny Stag and is American.

    I heard the guitarist is American born

    re: a few back...
    
    	I too noticed the similarity between Stone Fury and Kindom Come.
     I thought I was the only one in the world who had ever heard of
    Stone Fury.  Anybody know if they did any other albums other than
    the one previously metioned ??
    
    
    					Mr Scary II

    re: .-1
    
    	Gee, Mr Scary II, I feel the same way 'bout Stone Fury.  People
    look at me with a blank stare when I mention the band, but once
    somebody listens to the album, they usually want more...especially
    with tracks like "I Hate to Sleep Alone" - what a jam!!
    	As far as other albums, I've asked around and looked through
    catalogs, but the only one ever listed is _Burns Like A Star_. 
    Too bad - they rocked.
    
    John                  

    Just a thought, but if Zepp never exsisted who would say Kingdom
    Come sounds like then. Haven't any of you ever wrote or done something
    that you thought was original just to find out that something similar
    has been done like that before. What does it matter who a band sounds
    like as long as you enjoy what they are doing. Why so critical.
    Every band has some kind of influence, whether its another band,
    drugs, or maybe even mom.
    
    
    				KER of digital
    
    

                
                If  Led  Zeppelin  never  existed,  Kingdom  Come
                WOULDN'T sound like they do now.
                
                I have nothing  against  them,  but this is not a
                case of them having a  song  that  coincidentally
                sounds similar to a Zeppelin song.
                

    eMpTyV had a 1 hour special on the Monsters Of Rock Tour this weekend
    and they talked with the guys in Kingdom Come.  Seems this band
    came to be when the lead singer was rebuilding Stone Fury so that
    settled some questions I had about where I had heard that sound
    before.  They also showed a video of "Break Down The Walls" by Stone
    Fury.  They did mention the Zepclone idea, and the singer said the
    lead guitar player didn't even own a Zep album.  Hey, presently
    I don't either but I have heard almost everything they ever did
    more than once, ya know ?  They showed some concert footage of them
    at Monsters and they sounded pretty good, considering .........
    
    
    					Mr Scary II

    I also caught that special, it was good.  Seemed like the guys from
    Kingdom Come were doing nothing but trying to defend themselves
    from the Zep clone image, even though the interviewer didn't seem to
    initiate it...Hey, why not just accept it?
    
    I noticed that George Lynch was curiously absent from the entire
    spoken interview with Dokken.  They did have some nice footage of
    him doing a solo.
    
    Did anyone stick around and watch "'Headbangers' Ball" afterward?
    They had Joe Satriani co-hosting on there for about the first hour.
    He had a guitar and played a little too.  I thought he was pretty
    elequent and humourous.  The other guy (Adam Curry, I think) kept
    cutting him off though (to go to yet another commercial break, or
    whatever).  I got the impression that Joe would have liked talking
    more.  I certainly would have preferred listening to him than watching
    the same bloody lame videos over again.  But, ...ya can't always git
    what ya want...                               
    
    gh (this is really starting to show how boring my Sat nights are...)
                                                                        

    I always tape the bangers bore, so I can ffwd past the bull^%$#.
    Joe was pretty good I thought.  About George Lynch and his verbal
    abilities, check out the Dokken home video if you can, and you'll
    see why he doesn't do the interviews.  The boy plays all the time,
    doesn't say much.  See most guitar players are deaf anyway from
    years of standing in front of their amps so they can't hear the
    questions.  That's why Coop does most of the talking for 2EZ.  My
    Marshall has ruined my hearing, db overkill.  His GeeK has allowed
    him to keep his hearing, shame ya can't hear his leads (SIT DOWN
    Coop, just kidding)
    
    
    				Mr Scary II

    Anybody else seen Kingdome Come live?
    I seen them supporting Magnum on their British Tour in April and
    I thought the drummer kicked ass!!!! The rest of the band seemed
    OK.

    
    	I saw Kingdom Come live at Monsters of Rock in Maine. 
    Before the show started, I didn't care if I missed them or not,
    but after I saw them, I was glad I didn't miss 'em. They were
    good, and not everything they do sounds like Zep.
    
    /Motorbreath
    

    I also saw them at MOR in Denver.  I thought they performed well
    enough, but the sound was incredibly poor!  It was soooo bad, you
    couldn't recognize some of the songs.  I didn't think they sounded
    like Zep except on a couple of tunes.  They put on a good show.
    
    re: .-1  Their clothes really do look dumb.
    
    gh

    
        I heard "Do You Like It" and saw the video, and my answer is
        yes!!
    
        I love this song.
    
                                                       GTI
    

    
    I saw 'Condom Come' supporting MAGNUM on their last tour (at the
    Hexagon no less) - they're ok, but I swear they did 'Black Dog'!
    
    re .34 yeah I agree the drummer sounded like he had one foot up
    his rissole - jus kiddin - thought he was pretty good for a support
    band.
    
    I got the debut album recently (in a Virgin sale) and I couldn't
    believe the first track on side 2 (the name escapes me) - Kashmir
    Revisited or what??
    
    Check out the track Led Clones on the last Gary Moore album "After
    the War". I had to laugh because I rekon Ozzy sounds more like Robert
    Plant than the Geddy Lee/Rubber Plant Kingdom Come vocalist.
    
    Just read the Metal Hammer reveiw (does anyone get Kerrrprang anymore?)
    of the latest Kingdong Come LP offering and it got 5 stars. yeah
    I know the Zeps did it with more style/class, but its still decent
    if derivative rock, which is preferable to Aceeeeed/kylie/bangles sh*t.  
                    
    
    <- Zoso ->
                        

    I heard the Gary Moore tune "Led Clones" last weekend on the radio in
    Denver.  While I'm not into the big "Zep clone war controversy", I was
    dying laughing.  It *is* a very funny song!

    On Kingdom Come, I understand they have (will?) a new album out which
    is supposed to be much less reminiscent of, well shall we say, "other
    bands".  Has anyone heard it?  If so, what do you think?
    
    gh

    
    See my comments in "new releases" Greg - it is good.

I've heard that Kingdom Come splitted. The news look pretty serious so I guess 
it's true.

Didier

    Did their drummer die too ?  Just kidding folks ...
    
    
    
    				Scary

    
    Re: .42
    
    Where did you hear that rumour?
    
    Paul
    ----
    

I've heard it on the radio, yesterday, late at night (only Metal hours we get).
In fact I tape the show and listen to it (full volume) in my car coming to work
in the morning. The Dj that runs that show is very serious. I'm pretty sure its
true.

I find pretty bizare that I get info before you do. And specially rumors like
that. ??


Didier

    
    Well, there's a thing!
    
    HM radio in the UK is pretty non-existent as well, so I get most
    of my info from Kerrang, Raw, Sounds and other magazines, plus Notes
    of course. Generally it's a case of weekly news.
    
    The odd thing is that KC have just announced some headlining dates
    over here, so the split must have been pretty sudden if it really
    is happening. Even then, I think it will just be a case of Lenny
    Wolf getting a new bunch of musicians together - an ego that big
    doesn't let go easily.
    
    Paul
    ----
    

    Thats pretty twisted Jerry...
    
    Sheeesh

    re: .46 (and the UK dates)
    
    I heard from Porky that the dates in the UK had just been cancelled. So
    maybe they have split. There's obviously something going on, but what?
    
    Keef.

    
    Yep, I tried to get hold of Tix for the 25th of September, and found
    out that it had been suddenly cancelled (NOT POSTPONED) and no other
    date/information was forthcoming. Even the ticket agents didn't know
    they only found out when they were ringing their suppliers for my Tix.
    
    Oh sad day.
    
    Brynn. 
    (P�rky)

    On one of the (very few) rock shows that we get the DJ stated (as fact)
    that Kingdom Come have split. He went on to say that Lenny Wolf has
    reatined the name and intends to put a new band together (surprise,
    surprise).
    
    Keef.

    Copied without permission from Kerrang! Issue #255.
    
    Further to our story in Mayhem last week, Kingdom Come now seem
    likely to split up for good after 'several members had gone their
    own ways'.
    
    However a spokesman for the band said that some members may work
    together again in the future, but not necessarily under the Kingdom
    Come moniker.
    
    Unconfirmed reports from the States say that the whole band walked
    out of singer Lenny Wolf just two hours before a gig.  Earlu news
    suggests that the band may reform with another singer although drummer
    James Kottak's name has already been linked with former Quiet
    Riot/Rough Cutt vocalist Paul Shortino's new outfit, modestly titled
    Paul Shortino's Bad Boys.
    

    Yeah, that was also on the MTV news this last week.
    
    "Soooooooo, like Kingdom Come has split up, huh?  <Yawn>  So?"
    
    gh

    Yeah, I guess we'll have to hear new Zep tunes from "Bonham" now.
    
    
    
    				Scary

    
    	(reprinted from Metal Edge without permission)
    
    	"Kingdome Come is gone, a victim of personality conflicts,
    	and their second record's disappointing sales..."
    
    	Tigga~~~~

    YAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!  Thank God!!!!

    Yeeeeeeeepaaaah!!!!!!
    
    Finally!!!  All of my bit*hin for the last 2 years has finally been
    vindicated!!   I win!!
    
    OK, Mods...Here's plenty more disk space for ya!  Delete away!!

    
    Re: -1, -2
    
    
    
        Stuff it in your ears......
    
                 
    
       I liked the Group. Now I guess I own some collectable tapes.
    
    Sax  ;-)
    
    

    Collectables, you've got to be kidding!!! just my opinion - Kim

	
	re:-55
	
	I second that emotion!

	lb

I can't believe you are so rude.

IMO they were much better than 50% of the HM production of today

Look at this theory :

	If you pretend X is a copy of Y
	IF you happen to like Y 
	Then
	I can't believe you don't like X

IMO Kingdom Come sounded much better than Bonham. And also how come nobody said
anything about "Stone Fury" which was featuring Lenny on vocals. He had already 
this same voice as Robert Plant and didn't get so much bashing.

Anyway even if you don't like a band for some reason I cannot anderstand you
being SO HAPPY when they split.

There are a lot of bands I don't like but I wouldn't whish there death just 
because YOU (and many others) may happen to like those bands. 

They really had some good tunes to blow your speakers ! 

Didier

    
    Here goes... I liked Kingdom Come.
    
    There, I've said it. I used to like Led Zeppelin, many years ago, in my
    youth. Trouble is, when you've heard all the albums for the
    n-thousandth time, you start to get a bit tired of Percy and the boys.
    
    Then along came a band which (IMO) distilled all the best bits of
    Zeppelin into one album, with infinitely better production, new songs -
    how can any Zeppelin fan dislike them, except for snob-value ("Oh, I was
    into the ORIGINAL...")?
    
    Paul
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    Kingdom Come were damn good.
    
    Sod the non-believers  8^)

    .59
    
    The only thing that will blow my speakers is a bunch of sh!t, so you're
    right, my speakers would have blown easily...  :-)
    
    ---Steve_who_now_is_just_giving_you_people_a_hard_time

    
    
    Kingdom Come is a very good band, definetely the suprise act of
    the Monstors of Rock.  Personally, the only thing that reminds me
    of Led Zepplin with them is some of the blues licks in the music
    itself, Lenny's voice isn't like Mr. Plant (insert picture of little
    man with extremely big head) Bohnam is definetly a Led Zep wanna
    be band, not KC and I'm real sorry to hear about the break up. 
    They probably got tired of the bullsh*t comparison (Steve, hint).
    
    Mr. Ed...KC definetely still rocks on my stereo!

    	I'm new to most of the notes conferences that exist, so if some
    of my replies seem a little late, my apologies.  I just found the
    HEAVY_METAL conference and am playing around with my favorite topics.
     It's been awhile since anyone has added any new replies in this
    conference (prol'y cause Kingdom Come doesn't exist anymore).  I
    just thought I'd bounce a reply in for old times sake.
    
    	Stone Fury released two albums.  I can't remember the name of
    the second album, but it was a very "mellow", laid-back type of
    sound.  Since KC became popular, the record company has released
    a Best of Stone Fury CD that's worth a listen or two.
    
    	Stone Fury released two albums and split up.  Kingdom Come released
    two albums and split up.  Coincidence?  The only common denominator
    is Lenny Wolf.  You figure it out.  

    Good news from Metal Hammer: Lenny Wolf announced he's reforming
    Kingdom Come (current issue of Metal Hammer).
    
    Sorin

    Did the hammer sy when a new lp would be out or are they still just
    putting around with new stuff? I can't belive they split in the first
    place what a kicking band, managed to catch them in Baltimore at
    Hammerjacks w/ Warrant. Talk about two bands trying to out do each
    other!! man what a show ...
    
                            the"B."
    

No, there was no indication about the release date of a new album.

Sorin

    Did they happen to say who would be in the line-up totally new band or
    just a few flew the coop??!!
                                       The "B."
    

    
    	I got "In Your Face" the other night, and besides "Do You
    	Like It" the album isn't that great at all.
    
    	Some slow stuff, some medium stuff, but not enough to make
    	me want to listen to it very often.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    New Kingdom Come CD "Hands of Time" came out couple of weeks ago. The
    only surviving member from the last line-up is our Len. 
    
    I like it a lot. It's no more Led Zep derivative than any other modern
    "classic rock" type metal. The production is crystal clear and the
    songs are melodic and powerful.
    
    Definitely the best KC album so far.
    
    
    
    Wolf.
    

    I saw the video for "should I "abd was impressed with the music and the
    vid.Definately better than the earlier stuff.
    
    
    
    
                                          Staynz

I've heard that Blues Saraceno (sp?) is now playing guitar. Is this true?
Any other revues of the new album?

Didier

    I hope not ... that'd be such a waste.
    
    Scary (who was listening to that CD this weekend)

    
    	I don't know ... that might be pretty good.  Of course, as long
    	as Blues has some say in the music ... I wouldn't want to hear
    	Blues playing in the style of Kingdom Come.
    
    	Blues ROOLZ!!
    
    							GTI

    You chaps obviously know more about Blues Saraceno than I do. Who is
    he, who'd he play with before and does he drink his scotch neat or with
    ice?

    
    	See note 332.
    
    							GTI

    ta!

    I saw a video from years gone by these guys.....I just had to laugh!
    
         What an embarassment on all life of the earth.
    
                  Frizkid
    

    Quite an appalling band,i agree. Just wot is the point of being a
    band which sound just like Led Zeppelin,but nowhere near as good?
    

    
    
    	Anyone know what Lenny is up to these days ? Having liked KC alot
    	and loving the two post original KC line up albums, I haven't heard
    	anything for some time now ( a good year at least). Is he now in 
    	another band or due to release another ?.
    
    	Giles.

    
    not really sure but I think this band has been gonzo for a couple of
    years!
    
    
    
    						ian

    
    So Giles, is there a new CD out then ?
    
    Yes Giles there is... it's called Twilight Cruiser...
    
    Better see if I can get a copy then Giles, as their last CD Bad Image
    was real good !
    
    Ok Giles you do that.
    
    Am I mad ? .... you'd better believe it... ;-)