Conference napalm::heavy_metal

    
    	   Dig it.  I always liked VH too.  I lost track of them at
    	5150, and was as amazed as the rest of the world when Hagar
    	took the spotlight with them.  "What a marriage," I thought,
    	Hagar and Van Halen.  I had not really followed Hagar's 
    	career, but I thought the Three Lock Box album was great.
    
    	   Still, once the shock was over I must admit I paid little
    	more attention to the band.  I expect they're doing some
    	really good stuff, but I haven't checked it out.  Something
    	about the mystique of a band changes when one member leaves
    	under a dark cloud... it's like the death knoll for an era.
    	Van Halen is dead... long live Van Hagar.
    
    	   And all the media hype about Dave and Eddie was enough
    	to make me toss out my old VH  albums.  Talk about killing
    	the mystique.  Anyway, you might say that somewhere along
    	the road VH and I had a parting of the ways.  I still like
    	the tunes, I just don't play'em any more.
    
    	- Greg

    Jerry, you are right about some things.  I do agree that Eddie is
    the best and Diamond is the a*s.  Dave does put on a great show
    but as for himself, in person, he is a jerk.  I'll still throw in
    an old VH CD but not that often.  I'll crank it up if it comes on
    the radio or tube.  For Dave's part, I just like his music, not
    him.  Some of the real HEV-MET bands, I like some of the songs,
    I'd never see them in concert if you paid me!  I went to the concerts
    for Diver Down, 1984, 5150, Eat'em and Smile and Skyscraper.  I
    personally liked all of these concerts.  Old Van Halen will never
    die, they just get to be classics!
    
    COBRA

        I prefer old VH to new VH anyday.  There's just no comparison
        when you look back at the songs that have come out of the 6
        or so albums that old VH did (here's a discography):
    
        Van Halen I
        Van Halen II
        Fair Warning
        Women and Children First
        Diver Down
        1984
    
       (In order, I believe - although FW & W&CF might be switched).
    
        I have all of them on tape, and 2 (VHI and 1984) on CD.  The
        first one is packed with classic VH stuff, and sounds great
        at extreme volumes.  There's alot of good ones scattered
        through the other 5, but not quite as good.
    
        I also have 5150 (record), which is OK - but no match.  I'll
        probably get OU812, and maybe then I'll change my mind ... but
        it'd have to be fantastic.
    
        As for DLR, I have both (Skyscraper on CD, and Eat 'Em on record),
        and these are both fairly good (love the solo on 'Hot Dog and
        a Shake'!!) - but he'll never equal the old VH either.  And
        his voice is going (slowly but surely), as I found out after
        seeing the 'Skyscraper' tour.
                                                           GTI
        (My new sign-off is my CB handle)

    
    
    	I'm no VH freak or anything, but I agree with Shawn about the
    	old VH sounding better.  Since Sammy has joined, they've lost
    	their appeal.
    
    	I still listen to the new VH.  As a matter of fact, WAAF (radio
    	station in Worcester) is playing cuts off the CD as I write.
    
    	So far, okay.  Nothing to hoot and holler about.
    
    	DLR was pretty good in concert but that's mainly because of
    	all the props he used.  His voice IS going.  I think it's from
    	drinking all that JD.
    
    	/kim
    

        I hated the old VH.  My sister used to listen to them all
        the time.  I just couldn't stand David Lee Roth's voice,
        or ego.  The New VH is AWESOME!!!
    
        WBCN played the new CD from 10:30 - 12:00 it sounded pretty
        good.  But I don't think there will be a better song on there
        then "Black and Blue"...Gotta love that tune!
    
    Renee

    SACRILIDGE!!!  Van halen rocked!!!
    
    I like some of the Van Hagar stuff but I'll never again refer to
    them as Van Halen.
    
    There is no song that can get me in a good mood like Beautiful Girls
    can. I love all their stuff and I've seen them both live and I was
    surprized by Sammy but the old Van Halen energy wasn't there.
    
    Let's here everybody's favorite Van halen tune 
    
    
    devil dog
       

    
    
          I much prefer Van Halen than Van Hagar. I love all the Van
    Halen Albums though the first and Fair Warning are my two favorites.
    I thought 5150 was okay. I haven't heard to much off of OU812.
    
         Eddie is as much to blame as Roth for the breakup.
         Roth has a big mouth but Eddie has been tongue lashing himself.
    
        Eddie is an incredible and interesting guitarist. He may not
    be as proficient as Rhoads, Uli Roth, Vai or Gary Moore but the
    two handed style was credited to him and his style is fantastic.
    Just listen to the intro to Mean Street. Fantastic.... 
    
                                   Rich

    
    	Caught the 5150 tour. I think Hagar fit in well. They're moves
    were all well in sync. His voice was a change that I got used to
    quickly at the concert. Eddie did a solo that bored the sheet outta
    me. He didn't play at all for the metal fans, just his little girl
    fan club. He sat down at the right corner of the stage and played
    a slow lead solo. All the girls in that area were all packed in
    trying to touch him and oohh aahhh eeeeeee, definitely not EVH
    I knew. A total bore for me. Now Michael Anthony on the other hand,
    holy sh*t, this guy did a bass solo that derailed trains. Started
    in the front of the stage, chugged on a bottle of JD,(his guitar
    was also the shape of a JD bottle with all the insignias), ran up
    to the second level stage, leaped of in a summersault to the lower
    level, slid across the stage on his knees, went totally bizerk and
    when it was over and done up got a standing O. 
    C'mon Eddie get up and wail!
    Still prefer old Van Halen by far. Fair Warning and 1984 being my favorites.
    
    
    
    Dave
        

    Yo Cookster,
    	I never said Eddie invented hammer-on's.  This is really a
    classical guitar riff that has been around for centuries. And everybody
    has a style of their own. Rhodes, Eddie, Vai, Lynch, all of 'em
    play "roughly" the same licks (the two-handed stuff) it's just the
    way they attack the move.  I won't say any of them is better than
    the other 'cause they are ALL good at what THEY do, not what the OTHER
    does.  I like just about all the HM axemen today, guitars make the
    music (don't give me no sh*t Steve !!).
    
    
    					Mr Scary II

    IMO - Van Hagar should not be confused with Van Halen.  And, IOM
    Van Hagar rots.  Eddie can play guitar, and should've stuck with
    that.  I love the way Eddie plays guitar (and the way he picks his
    women!), but I hate the way he plays keys.  BTW - This is an educated
    opinion, I say VH three times (all with DLR).
    
    They should've never gotten rid of DLR.  He made the show.  Yeah,
    he might be an ass, but he was one hell of a good showmen.
    
    Bring back the Atomic Punk !
    
    Jeff C.

    
    
    
    ditto JC!
    	I couldn't have said it better myself.
    
    /kim
    

    That was very nice.  I expected to get shot-down in flames for that
    comment... Since I didn't, I'll venture to say that Van-Hager
    sounds like loud disco !

    :-0

    Loud Disco!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Come one JC.  The old VH maybe with
    the circus of David Lee Roth and his poor excuse for a voice.  But
    not the new VH.
    
    I'm offended!!!! :^)
    
    Rae

    
    I agree with COOP 
    
    Besides with all of Sammie's money don't you think he could
    buy a decent haircut
    
    				M
                                 B
    
    				 	

    Well, certainly a disparity of opinion here.  Well, since noone
    cares anyway...Here's mine.
    
    Like JC and others, I liked the old VH much better.  The new stuff
    with Hagar sounds, well, wimpy.  Too commercial, guitar stuck way
    in the back.  I like most of it, but comparitively...  What I liked
    about Van Halen was the sheer raw energy there, that and the inherent
    sense of humor.  They always sounded like they were having a good
    time.
    
    Saw them once, 1984 tour, the last one with DLR.  What a fantastic
    show!
    
    Unlike many of you here, I also really like DLRs new stuff.  Admitedly,
    his voice was never great, and it's worse now.  Just saw him last
    weekend in Denver.  What I like is Vai, he's got all that energy
    which Edward had and seems to have lost.  The guy is a dynamo! What
    an amazing entertainer...and he plays great on top of that too.
    
    I think that Dave is a really good showman.  He plays for the audience
    and I don't give a flying (you know what) what his personality off
    stage/record is.  I don't have to deal with that, so it doesn't
    effect me.
    
    One thing that someone else pointed out once, maybe in MUSIC (ok,
    ok...I'm a weenie...I still read and enjoy notes in MUSIC), but
    someone said that after the split there was a lot of name calling
    from the VH side of the fence and almost none returned.  Thinking
    back, that's the way I remember it too.  So who was the big *ss
    in this deal anyway?
    
    BTW:  Look, JC, if ya havta beg to get flamed, it doesn't count!
    
    Oh...flame me, please...  Thank you, Sir. May I have another?
    
    Yowza,
    gh
      

    Hey!
    	Everyone's entitled to their own lame opinion right?
    
    lot's of (^: 's
    
    /Mike
    

    NOOOOO!!! Don't flame gh! If you do you gotta flame me too because
    DLR kicks Van Hagar's *ss in concert, besides gh was right. Van
    hagar has almost no screechin Eddie guitar. Face it. If DLR wanted
    to he could soung more like Van Halen then Van Halen(Hagar) does.
    Vai could play Eddie better than Sammy could sing David.
    
    
    the devil dog (who eats flames ) has spoken  

    re.13
    	Yo Coop,
    		I tell ya what I'll do.  When I get the OU812 CD today,
    I'll bring it by your house and let you look at it.  Maybe you'd
    rather hear "Thighscraper".  
    
    				Mr Scary II

    Naw, gimme some Dokken or Tesla.  If I have these two bands handy
    nobody elses tape gets in the deck, except for 2EZ demos.

    I listens to Sammy and Eddie last night until 1 in the a.m.  It
    was interesting.  The also played the whole CD.  I almost called
    you up !
    
    Jammin' JC

    Well?????  So you heard all of it.  How about a review?
    
    gh

    It was *okay*...
    
    Like I said, I liked pre-van-hager stuff a lot better.  If you liked
    5150, you probably like U812...
    
    Eddies funny as hell on the radio...
    JC

    
    
    Well I heard it and I LIKED it!!!
    
    Rae

       Well, the Monster of Rock tour kick off to a bad start.  On the
    first son, Sammy jumped and fell on his tail bone and broke it.
    He also fractured two lower vertebrea bones.  He was so high that
    he continued the concert and didn't know it until it was over. 
    He his going to continue the tour!!!!!!    :^)
    
    COBRA

    If you were gonna make a 10 song tape of Van Halen which 10 would
    you use?
    
    the devil dog 

    
    Re: -1
    
    10 songs?
    
    Far beyond the sun
    evil eye
    overture 1813
    jet to jet
    island in the sun
    night game{
    too drunk to die
    little savage
   {crying
    you don't remember
    
    Buck

    If they are I sure have missed a lot of VanHalen meterial, and that's
    not very likely.
    
    					Mr Scary II

    
    Why did you put Alcatrazz and Malmsteen songs in Van Halen
    
    My Top 10
    The Cradle Will Rock
    Every Body Wants Some 
    Running With The Devil
    Jammie's Crying
    Sombody Get Me A Doctor
    Pretty Woman
    Dancing In The Streets
    Hot For Teacher
    Panama
    Ice Cream Man
    
    Trivia: Does anyone know who wrote a book on the two hand tapping
    style before Eddie did eruption the author was only 16 at the time.
    
    					M
    					 B

    ... I dunno, was it that black guy that I saw on Johnny Carson
    a few years ago?
    
    /Motorbreath ...well?

    
    RE:.35
    
    No It wasn't that black guy on Johnny Carson.
    
    					M
    					 B
     

    My top 10 (not in order, and off the top of my head):
    
    DOA
    Simple Rhyme
    Somebody Get Me a Doctor
    Little Guitars
    Little Dreamer
    5150
    I'm the One
    Where Have All the Good Times Gone
    Hot For Teacher
    Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love
    
    Tough choices!
    
    cat

    re .36
    
    My boy, Mr. VanHalen is a real guitar player.  He may not be a
    lightnin' fast as the Racer X boys, but I (Mr Scary II is in opinion
    mode now) will take style over mph anyday.  
    
    
    					Mr Scary II

    ...sounds like the old "everyone thinks he's great, so for that
    reason, I won't like him" reasoning.
    
    Oh well, I too think that Eddie Van Halen is a REAL guitar player.
    
    /Motorbreath ...hey, he was the first guy I heard that really
    impressed me
    

    Eddie is badness personified!!!
    
    My top 10 at the moment
    
    1. Beautiful Girls
    2. Everybody Wants Some
    3. I'm The One
    4. Panama
    5. Ice Cream Man
    6. Somebody get Me A Doctor
    7. Unchained
    8. So This Is Love
    9. Hot For Teacher
    10. Running With The Devil (Dog)
    
    these are the 1st 10 songs on my "Best of Van Halen" tape
    
    the devil dog sez "I'm a bum in the sun and I'm havin fun"

    RE: .39
    
    If style is a numero uno priority, then I vote for Tommy Skeotche
    (sp?) and those boize in Tesla. They have MPH+Style+Melody AND they know
    what sells.  Same with George Lynch and crew... I like Van Halen 
    and the boize from Racer X, but Tesla and Dokken steal the show.
    
    Just my $.02
    
    cj

    Yo Coop,
    	If that's your 2 cents worth remind me to give you your change!
    Just kidding, now go to your room and don't come out until you can
    play ERUPTION.
    
    
    					Mr Scary II

    re. 35
        Is it Steve Lynch of Autograph?
    
    				the Bomb
    

    
    Yes,
     It is Steve Lynch of Autograph,this man is a master when
    it comes to the tap.
    
    				M
    				 B

    Someone mentioned lame sexual based lyrics in another note which
    immediately made me think of Sammy Hagars lyrics.  If you thought
    that Dave's lyrics were/are bad, they are leaps above VHs current
    bunch of drivil (IMO).  Is this just me, or do some of the rest
    of you feel this way too?
    
    gh

    I'm a DIE HARD VanHalen fan but I look at the NEW VH almost as comedy.
    They're having BIG fun, and it's contagious.  Sure the lyrics may
    be a little sexual ...... is anyone out there opposed to SEX ??
    Can I have an AMEN ??  
    
    
    				Mr Scary II
    

    
    
    AMEN!!!
    
    
    The new Van Halen stuff like Scary says is Fun.  You should see
    my 19 month old niece headbang to "Finish What You've Started" it
    is funny!!  Even she loves OU812.
    
    Rae
    

    re: .54
    
    	   But Pete, you just dumped your main squeeze (or did
    	she dump you... we never got the gory details).  You 
    	must remember that your sexual outlets have now been
    	reduced by a very significant one...  poor guy.  Now
    	you, like most of the rest of us singles, must wonder 
    	from day to day whether the fox under the covers has
    	any 'special surprises' waiting for you...
    
    	-=[MOSAT]=-
    	(I could make celibacy sound good, if I wanted to)

    Re: Jerry, others
    
    I didn't say the music wasn't fun and that I didn't like it... 
    I too am a diehard VH fan and enjoy this stuff, not as much as the
    prev though.  My point was that the lyrics seem like just so much
    drivil now.  They probably could be greatly improved if they had
    about 10 minutes worth of intellectual effort put into the writing
    of them!
    
    gh

    Hi, I love the old Van Halen and I wish I could have seen them with
    DLR, my boyfriend did and loved them.  I did happen to get lucky
    when I went to Portland to see the 5150 tour.  I had an exceptional
    time and stayed on the same floor as the band.  I met them all but
    Eddy! (doesn't it figure).  Anyway, it was a total riot!  We were
    on the 11th floor of the Sonesta and looking a bit like a female
    Eddy....I stuck my head out the window to look on crazed fans
    thinking I was Eddy!!  I played right along with it and stuck 
    a beer out the window and made like I was smoking a joint.  After
    I did that...We had people banging on our door all night long
    mostly girls!!  Needless to say, it was a great time.  
    
    As far as my favorite tune......I will have to say Eruption.  Its
    my weapon when my neighbors play their yucky country tunes!! ha
    ha!!
    
    
    Lynne
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    

    
        The absolute BEST Van Halen is "I'm the One".
    
        If I had a 4KWatt stereo system I'd STILL crank the volume
        to '10' for that song!!
    
                                                       Shawn GTI
    

    re: I'm the One
    
    oh f***ing yeah!!!/Motorbreath
    

    OU812?? I did.
    
    
                        Chris "VH"

    I just thought of something. (Yeh, stop the planet right?)
    Anyways, we've done some bickering over whether or not VH is better
    as Van Halen or as Van Hagar. We never once thought about Sammy
    being better off with VH or on his own. I think VH was a good move
    for him. Yay, nay, or who freakin cares.
    
    
    the devil dog with a new twist to an old argument 

        Devil Dog:
    
                   Well, I think Sammy is 'better off' as opposed
                   to being 'better' - there's a difference.
    
                   Sammy had some good stuff when he was going solo,
                   and now he joins Van Halen and the teeny-boppers
                   go wild over the band's 'pop conversion'.
    
                   Too many bands/performers tone down their music
                   to appeal to the younger generation (especially
                   teenage females, who're supposedly the ones who
                   invest the most in the market and/or actually
                   dictate what a band should play to keep them happy.
    
                   As for me, I've got my own ideas on how to keep
                   the females happy.  8^)
    
                                                       GTI

    Yeh, Shawn I heard about you, and hey stop biting my head off, I
    meant Sammy was better off with VH, at least at the bank.
    Outta all the people in this conference, I bet you're the funniest
    when you're hammered, except me of course. :-)
    
    
    the devil dog who wants to party tonight with bikini volleyball
    at The All-American Sports Cafe.  

    Van Halen is dead........ and Sammy Hagar just got another backup
    band for him.....  (Even though I do agree that Eddie is an exelent
    guitarist)...  David Lee Roth gave Van Halen it's personality because
    he was such an assh*le.....with out him,  Van Halen is not Van Halen!!!
    
    Just an opinion.....

    	
    	Well, sorry to go against most of the other metalheads in this
    conference but...
    
    	I am not a fan of 5150, but I bought OU812, and even if it's
    not as hard as previous Van Halen, I love it.
    I think the album kicks a**, and I'm not a teeny-bopper girl.
    It's an excellently produced album with trade-mark VH sound -->
    Eddie's guitar, and Alex's driving drum rhythms. If there were no
    singer on any of these songs, you'd still know it was Van Halen.
    	They don't sound the same. They can't because they have a different
    singer, whose style and creativity has influenced the band's music.
    	I don't miss the old VH anymore. I cherish the old albums, but
    I think the band's progressed in DLR's absence.
    	Since DLR's been gone, VH has gone on to make some good music,
    while Roth has gone on to make such classics as "Just a Gigolo",
    and a Spanish version of "Crazy from the Heat." Who's gone pop???
    	Someone said that Van Halen isn't VH without David Lee. My 
    personal opinion is that the old VH was awesome, the ultimate summer
    party band under DLR, but that towards the end, what he wanted to
    do with the band would have ruined them anyway.
    
    /Motorbreath...even if it's not Atomic Punk, it's good stuff

    
     I liked Van Halen with Dave and Sammy with himself, both bands
    kicked now both sound vewy commercial.
    
    Re;67 Greg does that mean you'll delete this notesfile.8^)
    
    					M
    					 B
    

    re .68  Yo MOSAT, don't get me wrong your also one of the people
    that I wouldn't mind buying beer for. Actually I'd like to party
    with everyone in this conference, even those of you who can't stand
    short hair.
    
    re .69  I also like OU812, I think "Source of Infection" is a great
    song, and I can even picture DLR singing it. On the other hand I
    can't see Sammy singing Beautiful Girls. I totally disagree with
    the thought that Sammy found a new backup band. It's like Larry
    Bird getting traded to the Lakers and saying "I got someone new
    to score for." Sure he'd have someone new but the Lakers really
    don't need him. IMO Van Halen's core EVH, AVH, MA, really don't
    need Sammy all that much to be successful. They could make it with
    just about any lead singer.
    
    
    the devil dog sez "How can it be permissable..." 

    re: -1
    
    Imagine VanHalen with Willie Nelson on lead vocals ... or even worse
    
     .................. David Lee Roth  !!!
    
    
    
    				Mr Scary II

    Here are some concerts I've seen
     o   Sammy Hagar- solo
     o   David Lee Roth -solo
     o   Old Van Halen - with DLR
     o   New Van Halen - with SH
    
    I must say that:
      Sammy kicked David Lee's butt all over the stage, Sammy is an
       incredible MO-FO in concert!
      Old Van Halen looked like they didn't care if you liked the concert
       or not, just as long as they got paid.
      Van Halen with sammy was one of the most energetic shows I've
       ever seen.  Everyone, not just Sammy, was running around the
       stage like crazy.  A truely remorable concert!
    
    Steve Owen

    
   re -.1  I have to differ with you on who was better. I saw Van Halen
            on the 5150 and it was pretty good. BUT....I saw VH 4 times
            with DLR and he kicked ass. He really knew how to work up
            the crowd. I will always pick DLR over Sammy even though
            I don't really care for DLR now. The 4 shows I saw with
            DLR where 4 of the best shows I have ever seen, especially
            the 1984 tour. 
    
    /Bill Upham
    
            
    

    
    Compare the first Van Halen Album to the latest and if you so called
    HEAVY METAL fans think that they are on the same level(good or bad)
    then you people must have your heads where they don't belong. VH
    first album is AWESOME and very HEAVY. The latest crap (OU812) is
    for all you wimps who think Sammy Hagar is the balls. Sammy was
    good in his early days(MONTROSE and Solo) but the band(studio wise)
    has no fire. Van Halen has gone from Kick-ass to Easy Listening.
    
    Remember, this is a HEAVY METAL file not a TOP-40.

    
        F'n'A!!!!
    
        How true ... my feelings EXACTLY!!
    
                                                       GTI
    

                
                Yeeha!!!!
                

    
    YUP!
    

    Yeah, I hear that.  I too prefer old VH on an overall basis, but just a
    slight defense for some good musicians.  I went to a show last night
    and between bands, they were playing some stuff on the PA.  They played
    a buncha AC/DC, Dokken, Scorpions, etc.  They also played "One Way to
    Rock" and it fit right in with the rest. 
    
    I have to admit that in the context of the album (OU812) the music
    sounds pretty cheezy, but there's still an occasional jem. 
    
    gh

    
        RE: Greg
    
            But 'One Way to Rock' is a kick-*ss song by Sammy Hagar,
            not to be confused with 'Ballads-R-Us' Van Hagar.
    
                                                       GTI
    

    Is it?  I thought it was on OU812?  %-|  Sorry about that, VH plays it
    well in concert.  I DID say I liked VH w/DLR much better, look at all
    the old replies to this topic. 
    
    Ok, well, ummm...Perhaps I can still defend 'em a bit
    
    Cut 'em some slack guys, they're getting, umm, old.  Yeah, that's
    it, They're old now!     !^)  ;*?
    
    gh (Out to lunch...)
                        

    I guess this says it all....  I never heard old VH in a bank before,
    I did hear the new Sh*t in one the other day.  (Dreams)  
    
    'nuff said
    
    (P.S. DLR is a wildman in concert.  I saw Eat 'em and Smile and
    he went absolutly insane!  )
    

    
    "Dreams" isn't new, its from 5150.
    
    -Toe Knee

    >"Dreams" isn't new, its from 5150. 
     
    Not a new song, but it's the 'new' Van Halen (aka Van Hagar,
    'Balads-r-us' etc).
    
    gh

    
    
      Listening to old-VH today and I just have to say that.....
    FOOLS and ROMEOS DELIGHT are the BALLS!!!!!
    
        /Bill....Old-VH = Best-VH
    

    re -1     *ANY* Van Halen is the balls to me.  I would have liked
    hearing more earbusting rockers on OU812 but see a few years back
    Eddie got a Casio keyboard in his stocking for Christmas and ...
    well the rest is history.  The next Van Halen album hopefully will
    have more of a Hagar flavor to it, 'cause that old man still has
    a lot of kick left in him.  I made myself a Greatest Hits tape with
    the hottest cuts from VH I to 1984, 90 minutes of searing heat and
    the VanHagar stuff definitely doesn't belong on there.  The fact
    still remains that the new lineup IS selling out halls, IS selling
    mega-records, IS reaching metalheads and bank tellers alike.  Seems
    like when a band gets a little top 40 radio play a lot of folks
    think it "un-cool" to publicly like them (VH, Def Leppard, etc.).
    If it gives me a break from the other radio poop, I'm thankful !
    
    				Mr Scary II
    

    I gotta say something ... the past few days I've been listening
    to a lot of DLRoth, ya know, "Hear 'em and puke" and "Thighscraper"
    and one thought keeps popping up.  VanHagar takes a daily bashing
    in several of the music files because they went "radio", "top40",
    "pop-metal", etc.  But in all fairness, the post VanHalen DLR stuff
    is light years away from the old VanHalen as well and this never
    gets mentioned, until now.  VanHagar may be the ballad-band of the
    80's but "That's Life" and "California Girls" aren't real ball busters
    either .....
    
    But to set the record straight, I still like both sides of the family
    even though the divorce was kinda messy. (VH got custody of the
    kids though ...)
    
    
    				VanScary !

    Mr Scary, my last note entered on this said basically the same
    thing, although not as "funnily" as you.
    
    /VanBreath

    Any one willing to see a first-
    go to the Centrum tonite for Van Hagar's show - It will be the first
    and last time ( well maybe not last ) that a pyro show will happen.
    This has never been accomplished to full extent at any previous
    concert inside the Centrum.  Van Hagar was not gonna play Worcester
    if they did not get a waiver from the MA fire marshals. 
    
    Something to do on a Tuesday Nite
    

    re .95
    Woah,  you mean to tell me there are gonna be fireworks in the centrum?
    Yea, I'm there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    Most of the pyrotechnics in Maine were ruined by the rain.
    
    Steve O

    Oh well, I wasn't there.  8^(
    Cash flow if you know what I mean!
    
    So who went???   How was it???  How many empty seats were there?
    8^)
    Pyro show?  Were the fireworks good, or just a waste of time?
    
    Steve O

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    WLDWST::SECURITY11                                    5 lines   4-DEC-1988 17:35
                            -< Kbing in California >-
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    Has anyone noticed how Van Halen has mellowed out? Has Val gotten
    to Eddie or what? I getting a bit worried about these boys. They
    are still my favorite group{besides the Beatles, who are the very
    best} but I hope there next album is a real rocker. Maybe we should
    call them Val Halen?! Just kidding Eddie!
    

    I heard that Hager was leaving VH ??
                                 
    Something about Hagar being a health freak and EVH being into heavy
    booze and drugs.  It doesn't surprise me.
            
    I also read that they had put an ad out for a new vocalist, and
    it had something like "No rock climbers or [something else] need 
    apply". 
            
    Hmmmm...

    Hmmm  This surprises me.  I thought that the Van Halens (both Edward
    and Alex) had cleaned up their acts.  The both used to be alcoholics.
    
    Was it perhaps the other way around?  Hagar being into drugs and
    booze?
    
    gh 
    

    I hope this is true........ (RE: -a few)
    
    I would be the best X-mas present to see them break up.  WHo knows
    Maybe David Lee Roth will slum with them again...... (just kidding,
    but DLR made VH what it was! IMO) 
    
    The Sentinel
    

    This has got me wondering.... could DLR's claims that Eddie & co.
    were too tough to get along with be true.  After all if Sammy don't
    like 'em either.  Maybe it wasn't Dave's fault.
    
    
    The Sentinel
    

    RE: -1
    
    Just guessing but...
    
    It's probably not Eddie or Alex...or the band wouldn't have their
    name.
    
    I think It must be DLR. He doesn't seem the type to start up a band
    on his own. (Even though when he did it is pretty good.  Steavie
    Vie is great!)

    I was thinking about the difference between VH with Sammy and VH
    w/Dave yesterday...
    
    Another reason I like VH with Dave better is that even *I* can sing
    along with him!  MY vocal range is pretty low and pretty narrow,
    so there's pitiful few singers in the industry that I can actually
    sing along with (correctly).
    
    gh

 > Another reason I like VH with Dave better is that even *I* can sing       
   along with him!  MY vocal range is pretty low and pretty narrow,          
   so there's pitiful few singers in the industry that I can actually
   sing along with (correctly). 
    
    Which brings us to another point: Where would Dave be without those       
    incredible SCREAMS?  Hagar screams o.k....but Dave....THE best!!!
                                    

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WLDWST::CLARK                                         7 lines  17-DEC-1988 13:48
                 -< "Rocking and Rolling in the Golden State" >-
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 I don't know about self-titled albums, but I do know that NO ONE in
    the rock world comes close to playing the guitar like my man Edward
    Van Halen. Take your Krokus and Scorpions and all the other followers
    and trash them dudes. Edward has been the best and always will be
    when it comes to the all-time great rock and roll guitarists.
    
                           Merry Christmas Edward

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26959::ROTHBERG "I only see in infra-red . . ."       7 lines  17-DEC-1988 16:40
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                IYO!
                
                IMO he's been far surpassed.  
                

    Yeah, same here!!
    
    Buck who sez EVH wuz cool for `79 but its 10 years later and pickers
    have cum a long way baby, too bad he never progressed anywhere since
    then.
    
    Oh yeah, Merry Christmas Ed
    Buck 

    I agree he was the best of his time, and still one of the best!
     My question to Ed is Why the hell did you go into keyboards?!?!?!
    
    YEEEEUCH...!
    
    The Sentinel

    Listen - some folks facination with Edley Medley is like some folks
    facination with classic cars.  You may have faster, flashier, models
    now (just like modern guitar players ...) but there is still that
    appeal of the original material. It might also be added that the
    newer models (guitar players AND cars ..) are more short-lived and
    contain much more plastic and less of the quality built into earlier
    models.  Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the IROC/Lynch's along with
    the 'CUDA/VanHalen's, it's all up to the individual, right ?   Eddie
    wrote the book on the "new style" of guitar playing, the rest merely
    added some chapters - give the credit where it's due will ya ?
    
    
    			Eddie VanScary

Look, you guys are overlooking an important point here. Eddie is still one
of my favorite guitarists. Not because of his technical ability (there will
always be someone faster) or even for his lead work. IMO, his strongest
asset was his rhythm playing! Check out songs like "Unchained". There is
some great guitar work going on in that song, and it has nothing to do
with the solo!

That's why Eddie will, IMO, be a step (or two) ahead of the latest and
greatest guitarists (who is it this week - Yngwie? Satch? Gilbert? ???).

cat

    
    	If, ten years from now, these new guitarists are still around
    and their older works are considered classics, THEN I will consider
    them.
    	This sounds like the 'Page sucks' arguments. One of the WBCN
    DJ's made a comment about this..."the guy is NOT going to sound
    like Joe Satriani". Eddie took the guitar farther than anyone
    else had in his time, as did Page. The fact that they are not the
    most technically perfect anymore shows the growth of music.
    	To reply to -.1, I think the speed of Eddie's playing is what
    people were blown away by, not the rhythm. So, of course, this is
    what became the 'thing to do'. 
    
    	Question...if Eddie were to have died after VHII, would he have
    been better? How would Randy Rhoads be judged if he was still around
    (probably playing classical, and not at ALL popular)? Would Hendrix
    have gotten into Disco? You never know...
    
    
    					Les
    

    
    
    	A quesstion (once again reprinted without permission) from the
    March issue of Hit Parader.
    
    	A simple question they pose that will (I guess) be answered
    	in the following issues...
    
    
    	....Is Edward Van Halen giving thought to recording a solo
            LP????
    
    	What do you HM'ers think??
    
    	
    Tigga~~
    

    
    
      I'd like to hear Eddie amd Joe Satriani tear up some guitars.
    Be some smoke and fire there!
                                  mike
    

    
    	Maybe Eddie and BUCK should team up...seeing how BUCK just wroships
    Eddie VanHeadache....
    
    BK
    

    Say what you will about Eddie, but no guitar work gets me as pumped
    as the sh*t Eddie did with old VH.
    
    It's the best. 
    
    /Motorbreath...I'm the One

    
    	I like his old stuff too.  Unchained... The cradle will fall... 
   ....Errection...oops (see what a certian individual noters constantly
    dirty notes have done)... that should be Erruption... Aint talking
    bout love... Really got me...GREAT STUFF!!
    
    Bk
    

    I have had "Everybody Wants Some" stuck in my head, the one on
    my neck, since last Thursday. I LOVE OLD VAN HALEN!!!! They had
    ass-kick'in ragers. There has never been such a cool summer/party
    band like old Van Halen was.
    
    the devil dog reminds us "You can't get romantic on a subway line..."
                                                                  
    
    

    If he does come out with a "solo" I hope it's guitar only!!!  I
    also hope that none of that new Van Hagar shit seeps through to
    fumigate great guitar playing.  If he trys Keyboards (or even worse...
    singing)  forget it....(Just look at Jeff Beck's recent solo,  a
    cat on fire has more vocal talent.
    
    The Sentinel

    Which Jeff Beck solo are you talking about?  Is there a new one,
    or do you mean "Flash"?
    
    While Flash was fairly disappointing, I don't think it was Beck
    singing on most of the tunes.  Where's our resident Beck fiend,
    Alan?

    gh

I be right here!

Well, Jeff didn't sing on most of the tunes. But for some reason, the 
producers did talk him into singing one (or was it two) songs on
the album. I'll say this about his singing - he's a great guitar 
player! 8^)

Jeff used mostly session-type people as singers. Of course, Rod Stewart
and "People Get Ready". I *think* other singers included Buddy Miles
and Alex Ligerwood (sp?), but I'm not sure.

Gawd, when is the next Beck LP coming out? It's been forever....

cat

    If I may reply to a related topic, I'd like to say that I recorded
    "Finish What Ya Started". Well you know the chicks at the beginning,
    I think they shoulda used them more. 
    
    
    the devil dog who doesn't have much to say.

    On Headbanger's Ball, I saw an old live vid for UNchained. Does
    anybody out there have ANY old Van HAlen on video??? 
    
    the devil dog who did backflips when that vid came on.

    you're right, he's no WJB.   :^(

    
    I know I was on the Floor on that one agagagaaa Pleeeeez!
    
    I wish I could have seen V.H.'s Faces!  8^o 
    
    jim

    
    	Well, it matters on what you think HM is...i'm sure the people
    who listen to George Michael Jackson would qualify 0U812 as HM.
    All that screeching...
    	On the other end, the D.J./Fresh Prince song was almost 'pop-rap',
    and it took the awards, too...both heavy rappers and headbangers
    couldn't make their own categories.
    	Although I like VH and DL, I have to agree they have fallen
    into more pop-influenced waters...or has HM moved on and left them?
    
    
    						Les
    

    This awards ceremony is the biggest joke anyway. It's obviously
    based on what these people think the public will tune in for...
    i.e. the biggest album-selling bands, and the most popular hit-radio
    bands.
    	I knew DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince would win. They're
    FAR from the best rap artists, but they are the most popular 
    on the merit of their two hit singles. What a joke.
    
    	These awards aren't supposed to be for people that know ANYTHING
    about music, they're for the business, they're for the people that
    listen solely to hit radio. How else could Guns 'n' Roses get 
    classified as pop-rock, while VH gets classified as HM??!!
    If anything, it would be the other way around, but because
    of "Sweet Child o' Mine" GNR is pop-rock.
    
    The whole thing stinks, and is geared towards tv ratings, not 
    recognition for the artists that deserve recognition.
    
    /Motorbreath

    Yo Dog,
    	
    	I was trying to illustrate how inane their classifications were!
    I mean GNR is MUCH harder rock than VH (new), and they were classed
    as Pop-rock!!! WHat a farce! I'm saying that they did that because
    people that listen to the radio, and watch the vids, people that
    are just into hit music probably know GNR as the band that did
    "Sweet Child..."
    
    /M.Breath

                
                Well, at  least  they  didn't classify G&R as HM.
                One mistake was enough.  Why make two?
                
                

    Not only does it matter how you classify HM, but it also how you
    classify VH.  IMHO VH is dead and it's body is spread over two 
    groups (Van Hagar and DLR).  As for G&R being harder than VH, true
    only if you are talking about NVH not OVHw/DLR.  In it's time OVH
    was very hard (still is in some cases).   IMO alot of OVH blows G&R
    away.  OVH is HM just as LZ is.  LZ is even more mello than OVH.
    
    
    BA

    You guys are beating a dead horse, again ...............
    
    
    				Van Scary

    At least this is about Metal.........
    
    The Sentinel

    So are we in agreement that VanHalen is metal now ?
    
    
    				VanScary

    
         RE: Scary
    
                    Van HALEN always has been H_M.
    
                    Van HAGAR never has, and probably never will.
    
                                                       GTI
    

    YO GTI!
    
    I'll agree that VAN HAGER ain't heavy metal, but when Hager sang
    with Montrose.....
    
    We are talking series Kick Ass Rock & Roll.
    
    Bonzo.

    RE: .149
    
    Well put.  In so few words too !
    
    jc

re: a bunch back

There was also an old video clip of Van Halen doing "Dance the Night Away".
I saw it a few times on Don Kirshner's Rock Concert (yup, it was that 
long ago!). I saw it a few times around 1978 or so, but not since then.

cat

    I like both Van Halen and Van Hagar.  I love Eddie's style, his
    bluesy riffs and his crystal clear chords and descent speed.  There
    may be faster guitarists or better showman in this world, but I
    have always admired Eddie.  
    
    David Lee Roth was cool.  But I wasn't in tears to hear him leave.
    His voice has had its better days, and those musicians he has chosen
    to play with in his new group were obviously outstanding choices.
    Good luck to him in the future, but I like Metallica's outlook on
    publicity better than his.  His ball-grabbing and ass-shaking routines
    he can have.  Too bad his career with VH ended on such a sour note.
    
    5150 IMO was a great album.  Different in style from previous VH
    albums, yes, but none the less was it a masterpiece.  I totaled
    my Camaro to that tape.  (Y'know the line;
    
    "Contact is all it takes
    		To change your life 
    				to lose your place in time"
    
    		C R A S H
    
    But anyway...)
    
    5150 was an album that pleased my listening desires.  It really
    did suit my style.  As for OU812, pthththththththth.  I am extremely
    disappointed.
    
    I hope their next album is 5150ish, and I'll be happy.
    
    HITMAN

 	
    The Break up was all a publicity stunt.
    
    I always had this thought in the back of my mind.  Warner Bros.
    is now making a killing with DLR, and Van Hagar and even Sammy by
    himself (contractual obligations).  Also a reuinion would also rake
    in the bucks in unbelievable proportions.  Maybe this was done to
    compliment a possible Led Zep reuinion (another Warner title).
    
    I know it's probably not any where near true but it maybe....
    
    Dark Helmet

    
    I just finished reading through this topic, and I wanted to add
    my entry/opinion...
    
     In 1983, the music industry held some conference in L.A. attended
    by a number of the top men in the recording companies (Warner, CBS,
    etc.).... Anyways, I was lucky enough to know someone who got me
    in to a party that was held that night to "cap" off the day's
    activities.
    
     Well, I'm at this party and there are ALL kind of entertainers
    present -- including Van Halen minus Alex. During the time I was
    there, I met Eddie and David Lee. And I can tell you this,
    they were the exact opposites in personality...and not the way you
    might think, either.
    
     It was EDDIE who was Mr_BIG_ego, I told him that I was a big fan
    of his music and that I thought he was really talented, and he
    looked at me like "I'm_the_best_and_you_SHOULD_like_me". I spent
    about another couple of minutes talking to him, and he was saying
    things like "that_guy_stinks", "this_guy_can't_do_it_like_me", etc.
    I remember thinking to myself "What a complete JERK this guy is."
    
     On the other hand, David Lee introduced me to a few of the people
    who were with him, and said that he felt he was not the best vocalist
    around, BUT that he ALWAYS gave 100% to his audience...
    He said that he REALLY loved doing shows and that was what being
    a rock star was all about.
    
     The reason why they broke up was because Eddie, Alex and Anthony
    were all married and they wanted to do only 3 or 4 months on tour,
    and only at the bigger venues. Whereas, DLR wanted to tour constantly
    and at ALL the little towns also...And this has come to pass, since
    they broke up. DLR & Vai were on tour for a whole year, whereas
    Van Hagar played only the major markets and then went home to their
    wives. (Hagar's married, too.)
    
     Eddie's good but he's an EGOTIST -- DLR is a cool dude who is having
    					  *fun* being a rock showman....
    
Night_Prowler
    

    Good story!  Thanks for including that.  A few years ago I thought
    that Eddie had a really good attitude, but a lot of the interviews
    I've read in the last year or two seem to fit with your experience.
    
    Can you get me into one of those parties???   8^)
    
    gh

    The way I look at it, DLR is a businessman, pure and simple.  In
    years past almost everyone would agree that he came on VERY cocky
    and arrogant.  But now that 5150 and OU812 did so well and Hear
    "em And Puke and Thighscraper did just fair, maybe he and his
    promotional group got together and said, "C'mon Dave, give it a
    break !" and he said, "Hey, Hey ... one break .... comin' up !"
    ya know.  I'm sure Dave has good days and Eddie has bad days, their
    both human.  I still stand convinced that DLR is Mr. Ego, period.
    
    
    				VanScary

RE: .158 gh
    
> Can you get me into one of those parties???   8^)
    
    I wish I could get MYSELF back in to one of those parties... :-(
    
    
RE: .159 Scary    no_flames_intended ............ but ............

> promotional group got together and said, "C'mon Dave, give it a
> break !" and he said, "Hey, Hey ... one break .... comin' up !"

     The year was '83 when I met them -- they were still together at
    the time...so it had nothing to do with their break-up.
    PLUS who the heck am I that he should have to put on airs for ??

> I'm sure Dave has good days and Eddie has bad days, their
> both human. 
    
      I agree, obviously everybody has good/bad days, but I can only pass on
    my experience -- BUT I would like to add, don't confuse DLR_showman
    with DLR_the_man...An example would be Michael Jackson, on stage
    he's one thing and off it he is another (or Alice Cooper, Elvis,
    etc...)
    
> I still stand convinced that DLR is Mr. Ego, period.

     I still stand convinced EVH is Mr. Attitude...


Night_Prowler    
        

    Then maybe we can agree that Heavy Metal is full of ego's and
    attitudes.  It's hard to be neutral in the VanHalen saga, it's either
    black or white.  I saw a spot on MTV this weekend on DLR, and it's
    hard to filter through all that sh*t he talks to find out what he's
    really all about.  But I will give him credit, nothing of the new
    VH kicks like the old VH, even though I like the new stuff too.
    
    
    				VanScary

    
    Well, if I was on stage wailing on a guit like EVH can, with 25,ooo
    or so screeeeemin' females yellin' out my name, I 'spose I'd have
    a swelled head, err, make that an inflated... err, um, I think I'd
    have a good sized ego too...
    
    VanHITMAN

    If I was on stage screaming and acting up, while EVH was in the
    background and 25,000 or so females screaming my name with
    Eddie's my hat size would grow too....
    
    Dark Helmet

    
    Gotta love the title of Gangreen's new album......
    
    "I81B4U"
    
    Ar ar ar!!!!  :^)
    
SEAN/BEER=LABATTS

    I wonder if they can get sued?
    
    
    The Sentinel

for what ?? 

    
        For 'copying' the name of the album.
    
        I doubt it ... I think those 'acronym titles' are too vague
        to prove what they mean.
    
                                                       GTI
    

    
    
    Quote..  from Rolling Stone Magazine, April 20th, 1989..
    
    without permission..
    
    "Although much of this year's Bay Area Music Awards ceremony, at
    San Francisco's Civic Auditorium, was a snoozefest, there were
    a few bright moments.  For the closing jam, on Wilson Pickett's
    "In the Midnight Hour," John Fogerty traded lead vocals with a
    surprisingly soulful Sammy Hagar...."
    
    
    F.

>                           For the closing jam, on Wilson Pickett's
>    "In the Midnight Hour," John Fogerty traded lead vocals with a
>    surprisingly soulful Sammy Hagar...."
    
Sounds like a great time!

I kept meaning to mention this lately, but kept forgetting - did anybody
ever notice that "Hot For Teacher" is a direct ripoff of ZZ Top's "Heard
It On The X"? The two rhythm guitar parts sound almost *exactly* alike!

cat

    Now that you point it out....
    
    Wow I wondered why I loved both those songs....
    
    The Rebel

    Almost in like a sidewinder missle is *almost* like a bottle rocket!
    Just kidding ... there is a striking resemblance ...
    
    "I got it bad, got it bad, got it bad ... I heard it on the X"
    
    
    
    			   ZZ VanScary ...

    
    FYI - there is a rumour going around that due to the disruptions
    in the Van Hagar camp, and due to the fact that Vai has left his
    Egoness - Roth and Eddie Van Halen may team up together for some
    project work.
         
    -Tony 

                
                Yeah, Roth  needs a new guitarist.  "HEY!  Eddie!
                Wanna be in *MY* band???"  :`)
                

    re.173
    No, Roth needs a hair-transplant.
    
    /Motorbreath... would be nice, but they'd NEVER agree with each
    other now.
    
    Eddie stop playing with the synthesizers so much, David stop
    wanting to sing lame cover tunes... I like that idea.

    I think too much has gone on for those two to ever get back together
    again.  Dave's gone Hollywood ... Eddie's got soft .... and Jamie's
    not crying anymore (dats cuz Tone-Loc gave her some funky cold medina
    I bet ...)
    
    
    
    				Scary

    Re:   Rob....
    
    
    
    AGAGAGAGAGAGAGA!
    
    I love it...That's exactly what happened I bet...
    
    I bet Dave will have Guitar tryouts, and Eddie will have to apply....
    
    As for Dave doin' stupid cover's....lets not forget..."You really
    got me", "Pretty Woman", and "Dancin' in the Streets" all excellent
    cover tunes (Lets also not forget "Tabaco Road"  which I thought
    was excelent!)  Covers are great....but I think we have to have
    Eddies opinion on what ones to do...Dave is too outrageous...just
    think who else would even attempt to cover "Just a Gigalo" or
    "That's Life"....I can't think of anyone in the Hard Rock/Metal
    scene.  Dave is just too Wild to be left unattended...
    
    The Rebel...(who strives to be like DLR...he's the the worlds best
    partier!!!!)
    
    

>    As for Dave doin' stupid cover's....lets not forget..."You really
>    got me", "Pretty Woman", and "Dancin' in the Streets" all excellent
>    cover tunes 

Actually, I thought that "Pretty Woman" and ""Dancin' in the Streets" were
pretty awful covers. However, they did do a great job with "You Really Got
Me", "You're No Good", and "Where Have All The Good Times Gone"......

IMO,
cat

    I'd have to agree with Alan on "Dancin' in the Streets", pretty
    lame.  However the covers VH did of "You Really Got Me" and "Where
    Have All the Good Times Gone" are TOPS!
      
    I really don't think there's much chance of the old VH getting it
    back together...  (but it's a warm thought!)
    
    gh

    Well I guess that "Pretty Woman" and "Dancin in the streets" are
    lame, but just think of how much better VH did it compared to the
    originals of the songs....Roy Orbison is nothing in comparison.
    
    The Rebel...
    

    I guess VanHalen did "Pretty Woman" better than Roy Orbison could
    have done "Eruption".    Agagaga ... I can see him now ... Hammer-on
    Roy !
    
    
    				VanScary

    
    
    No making fun of Roy Orbison!!!  8*)
    
    seriously though..
    
    F.

    Definitely not making fun here .... besides I don't think a Floyd
    would work too well on a 335 would it ?
    
    
    
    			Scary

	How do you do. I'm in F/S HACHIOUJI/JAPAN. I like VH too.

	I have "VAN HALEN" to "OU812" on CD.

	BTW, What pronunciation of "OU812" ?  "OU-EIGTH-ONE-TWO" or

	"OU-EIGHT-TWELVE" or "OU-EIGHT HUNDRED-TWELVE" ?
	
	
					Somebody tell me ,please...


		KABA. :=)

                
                Oh, you ate one two ...
                
                

    I ate one before you.

    The intention is to make a "play on words", a funny little saying by
    pronouncing the numbers/letters it makes a phrase.  It's kind of
    popular in the US, but I could see how it would be confusing for
    people elsewhere.
    
    As Rob said, the phrase means "Oh, you ate one too"
    
    gh                        
    
    Note, Rob:  TOO not two...

                
                sorry ...   I apologize to everyone who was upset
                by my spelling  of  "too"  which  means  the same
                thing as "also" and  *NOT*  the  numeric quantity
                such as in "I have 'two' nostrils."
                
                Thank you, Rob phtang phtang silly party Nih ...
                
                

    I saw the Pretty Woman Vid on MTV. It was pretty funny seeing Micheal
    Anthony dresses as a samuri, and Alex dressed as some sort of jungle
    boy with shades. I was rooolliiinnnggg!!!

    I never saw that video....is it something with DLR...or is
    it a cheap Van Halen imatation with Van Hagar...
    
    The Rebel

                Nah, it's real VH with DLR.
                

	Thank you for everyone's kindness.


					"OU812" KABA   :-)

    
    You're very welcome dude !

      Can anyone send me the Musical Notes for the song: 5150 ! I think
    that is a kller song! I'm just beginning, so any help would greatly
    be appreciated!
                            B.A.

    RE: 193
    
         I don't think I can help you there, but I definitly know someone
    who can:  
                Jym can.
            Any other songs?  
                         Just one musician trying to help out another
                                                                  MYKE
    

    RE:193
    
    
    You might want to skip up to your local music store and pick up
    the sheet music for 5150 the album. I do believe I saw it at 
    Strawberries in Auburn before I moved to Cal.
    
    
    Decalf
    

    
    Has anyone heard anything about David Lee Roth rejoining VH.
    
    I heard from someone who said Hagar was going to exit, and that
    DLR was maybe rejoining. The person who told me has some friends
    in the music industry.
    
    Anybody else hear anything ??  I hope it's true ...
    
    
Night_Prowler    (who's back in notes after a 3 week european vacation, 
    		  and wishes he was back on the greek islands)

    

    I've spent the last couple weeks catching up.  I haven't listened to
    Van Halen much since high school days, but my sister recently came to
    visit with her arsenal of VH, DLR, and Bon Jovi tapes.  I don't want to
    start a "x is better than y" argument, but I thought I'd post my
    ears' observations :-).
    
    The tapes that I've listened to:
    
    Van Halen - debut, VH II, Women & Children first, Diver Down
    DLR - Crazy from Heat? (debut), Skyscraper
    Bon Jovi - debut, x000� Farenheit
    
    First of all, throw out Bon Jovi.  I can't see what the fuss is all
    about.  I didn't hear anything about them that really "separates them
    from the crowd".
    
    David Lee Roth sounded better with Van Halen.  Somehow he sounds out of
    place on his own, much like the Beatles after they split.  There are
    intangibles missing that affect their performance.  I haven't quite put
    my finger on it though.
    
    Steve Vai is a talented guitarist but I wasn't impressed with his work
    outside of the talking guitar on "Yankee Rose".  After a while, the
    guitar gymnastics get old.  Too much of a good thing is a waste.
    
    I still prefer EVH.  He has an inexplainable talent of making his 
    guitar gymnastics fit into the melody, which makes it fun to listen to.
    He seems to save it up and hit you with it in a timely manner.
    
    DLR sounds better too.  DLR doesn't sound like he's struggling as he
    does in his solo releases.  With Van Halen, the music is fun because I
    believe they are having fun.
    
    Now I just have to listen to some post-DLR Van Halen.
    
    Mike

    Mike,
    	I liked how you described the differences between Vai's and
    Eddie's style! I've always loved Ed's playing over most anyone
    else, but could never explain why!
    
    thanks!/Motorbreath

    I still hate Van Halen's guitar playing and think he's the most
    over-rated thing to ever walk the planet!!! 

    
    RE:  .200
    
    Thanks Buck,
    
    I feel the exact same way!  Steve Vai is a much better player anyday.
    Take a listen to any of his stuff when he was with Zappa!  Even
    when he was with Alcatraz.  His Flexible album was a good album
    also.  Can't wait to see what he does for Whitesnake!
    
    Mr. Ed

>      <<< Note 45.201 by USCTR1::EDEGAGNE "Mr. Ed the Talking Bassist" >>>
>                    -< Steve Vai plays circles around EVH! >-
    
    Maybe so.  Could it be that DLR didn't/couldn't properly unleash his
    capabilities on his albums?  To be fair I'll give Vai's older stuff a
    listen, when I find them.  I tried not to say he's not as good as EVH.
    
    Re: EVH
    
    One thing I found surprising is the lack of complexity in his rhythm 
    tracks.   I wasn't playing guitar back in high school days so naturally
    I thought he was cool.   This time around, I was able to follow along on 
    a lot the rhythm tracks.   Most are just derivatives of blues patterns.
    
    If I meet Vai in LA, I'm going to tell him to get his act together! :-)
    
    Mike

    
    	I don't think EVH's technical playing is all that hot...I thought
    he changed a lot of the sound and attitude of rock guitar.  Because
    of this, he got a lot of attention.  
    
    	He has grown (somewhat) as a songwriter, but not much as a
    guitarist.  He is not a Vai or a Malmsteen.  If THOSE artists don't
    continue to push themselves, in ten years they will be the 'old folks'
    to a new breed of players.  I think Vai is fantastic, but hasn't
    written anything as 'cool' as "Hot For Teacher"...
    
    
    						Les
    

    You have to realize that EVH wrote the book on many popular modern
    day guitar tricks - the other guys, Vai included, read the book
    and went on to carve their own niche.  Comparing the 2 is like
    comparing Columbus with a space shuttle pilot.  Rock and roll poularity
    will always be short lived, and I'm sure in a few years there will
    be hordes of new string slingers that will make Vai and Malmsteen
    look pretty lame ... think about it !
    
    
    					Scary

    The sad part of all this is that Eddie doesn't seem to try like he used
    to. I still prefer the original VH, but I *do* like Steve Vai!
    The first time I saw him was in the movie Crossroads when he fought to
    the sound of Dueling Guitars with the kid from Karate Kid (Macchio or
    something).
    Now *that* was some guitar playing. 
    Was Vai a classical guitarist originally like Randy Rhoads?

    EVH has slacked off a lot .... OU812 was NOT a guitar album by any
    means.  Even parts of 1984 were a little light.  Fine wine mellows
    with age ....
    
    
    					Scary

    
    
    	Or turns to viniger....you decide!
    
    	M
    	 B

    
    Van Halen wrote the book, but Vai just wrote the edition for the
    late 80's/90's 8^).
    
    -Tony ( who still prefers Rhoad's style to Vai or VH )

    Vai was a jazz head before turning to rock n roll!  The only classical
    training he had was memorizing the _Pickstyles for Modern Guitar_
    book and stuff like the 24 Paganini Caprices.

    
    That's not true, when Vai was going to Berkley, yes that is what
    he was studying, but he was playing the same stuff EVH was doing
    and the stuff he is doing now.  Back then it wasn't really accepted
    at the school so he used to put matresses over his door and windows
    in his room so no one would hear it.  He wasn't a jazz head.
    
    Mr. Ed

    re: Mr. Ed
    
    Get real...my rommate at Berklee was Vai's roommate, and I heard all
    the tapes of their jams and stuff...also, Vai's ensembles and recitles
    are all in the library...the guy was a jazz head.  He was transcribing
    jazz melodies and playing bop out the ying-yang.  Yeah, he had his rock
    playing down too (ala Carlton, ford, etc.), but he was a JAZZ
    head...don't tell me! 

    
    Hey Buck,
    
    So thats the training he did, big deal.  If he's such a jazz head
    why isn't his albums accompanying the slots right next to Al Dimeola?
    Instead he's playing for Whitesnake among the other HM bands.  You
    get real Buck.  Unless of course all his albums I've been listening
    to are actually back masked/subliminal message jazz albums!  Oh
    God, where all jazz heads!  AAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!
    
    Mr. Ed....no flame intended, just humoring you Buck

Because I really don't know anything about playing a guitar I can't
comment on which is the better guitarist.  All I can comment on in what
sounds better to me.

I think the EVH in the early days of Van Halen was by far the best sounding
axe.  But he grew older and mellowed out.  Way too much.  IMO it started with 
Diver Down an extreamly mellow album if you compare it to Van Halen I, II or 
Fair Warning.  1984 was a big dissapointment for me.  Although most of the songs
had a decent amount of guitar in it, I felt that it didn't have the energy of 
the earlier albums.  Some songs do,  (like Panama, Top Jimmy, and Hot for 
Teacher and a couple others.) but most of it tends to drag.  "I'll wait" is 
a song that grows old really fast.  

	EVH with the new Van Halen (Hagar), definately lacks the energy of 
the earlier group.  They seem to be trying to reach for it but are 
falling short.  I feel that Sammy Hagar was better by himself (Three Lock 
Box, Standing Hampton and VOA. are some of my favorite albums).  Sammy
with VH doesn't cut it.  

	DLR's solo career is a strange one.  I found that his EP, 
Crazy From the Heat, fun but not worth a hell of a lot.  It doesn't 
show alot of real musical talent.  Eat 'Em and Smile was a great
album, I see a more of a meshing with Stevie and Dave then with 
Eddie and Sammy.  They work better together then the other two.  
Skyscraper is the only album I don't have, but the cuts I have heard off
of it has dissapointed me.  "living in Paradise" is a great song and I enjoy it,.
It is very lively and full of energy.  

	I guess that what it boils down for me.  Old Van Halen will never live 
again because Dave doesn't have a guitar player with the energy that EVH 
used to have and there is no singer out there with more energy then DLR.

	It's a shame to see a band like The Old Van Halen grow into 
nothingness...

The Itch

    I didn't mean this to turn into an X is better than Y rathole. 
    Somewhere along the line somebody grabbed the idea and ran with it.
    
    DLR probably created an energetic atmosphere with Van Halen that showed
    up in his guitar playing.  They need to reunite!
    
    Mike

That's what I was saying....
I wasn't saying which is better, I wanted to see why Old Van Halen 
had such a more impact on the music industry.

The Itch

    Hey Itch,
    
    	I couldn't agree with you more. VH died with Diver Down.
    
    
    				CB

    
    
    
    You people ARE rediculous. Eddie is the best guitarist since Page.
    NO they don't have teh same style but when talking about 
    *rock-n-roll Guitarist'* , they're it !! 
    
    jeff

    
    	Page who?  Jimmy Page?
    
    	If so, don't make me laugh.
    
    	[Ladies and gentlemen, I will now take this violin bow and make
    	neat noises ... since I can't really play anything recognizable
    	on this guitar.]
    
    							GTI
    
    

                No doubt...
                
                Best guitarist  since  Page  was  the  very  next
                person to show  up  after  him.  Probably Pee Wee
                Herman ...
                
                and though EVH is  a  GREAT guitarist, he is just
                another  speck  of dust next  to  Satch,  Yngwie,
                MacAlpine, Moore, Chastain, Gilbert, Vai, Angelo,
                etc ...
                
                

    cough

    
    Don't even try to say that EVH got all those guys started!  EVH
    did not, by the way, create the first hammer on!
    
    Mr. Ed...Paul Gilbert blazes!
    

    There is a large handful of decent players today.  Enjoy them all!
    
    Besides, you can only listen to those speed demons for so long and then
    you start getting the DTs. :-)
    
    Mike

    >Besides, you can only listen to those speed demons for so long and then
    >you start getting the DTs. :-)

    Gimme the DTs then!

    As I've said before, music is NOT A COMPETITION!  So what if Steve Vai
    plays something faster or cleaner then Edward Van Halen  Jimmy Page or
    whoever?  If it makes you feel something and does something good inside
    you, then it's good playing.

    gh

    There will ALWAYS be someone better and faster.  The guy for Nitro
    (Michael Angelo) is probably the fastest I've heard - but he has
    zero in the taste department.  Eddie's style to me always seemed very
    bluesey, I never really thought of him as being a speedster like
    Gilbert, or Malmsteen.  To each his own I guess ...
    
    
    				Scary

    Wait a minute now. Page is/was one hellava guitarist at one time, maybe
    he still is, but it's guys like him and EVH that open doors for all the
    new waves of lead guitarists.
    I'd rather sit back and listen to a slow, carefully laid out riff by
    someone like David Gilmour or Carlos Santana than bother with a
    guitarist who can run scales from a to g in 3 seconds.
    (but I still like the fast stuff, too)

    .226�    I'd rather sit back and listen to a slow, carefully laid out riff by
    .226�    someone like David Gilmour or Carlos Santana than bother with a
    .226�    guitarist who can run scales from a to g in 3 seconds.
    
                 Finally! Someone who enjoys "Music"!.  Fast is not always 
                 better.
    
    B.A.

                               
    I like those guys too...
    
    When I want something to fall sleep to 8^)

    I don't want to pick a fight or anything here, but I have a hard time
    thinking of the term "carefully laid out" when talking about the works
    of David Gilmore or Carlos Santana, since it's well known that their
    cool bluesy licks are all improvised.  I enjoy listening to it too, but
    I don't think any of them were pre-planned, they just have a particular
    forte', that being playing good improvised blues.
    
    Back on the topic of the note, I think the reason I like EVHs playing
    is the energy in it.  I think a lot of his stuff is right on the edge
    of losing control and I like to hear players explore the fringe like
    that.  That's probably the same reason that some more disciplined
    listeners don't like it.
    
    gh

Can't agree with you more Greg....

The shear energy level of the Old Van Halen is what makes me a TRUE Van Halen
fan.  I'm not saying that others can't like to new VH for whatever reason but
for me VH is a very powerful/entertaining music.  It always gets me psyched up
to party.  EVH may or may not be the greatest guitarest but I feel that he
is defiantely the best PARTY rock guitarest!!!  (also I feel that Old VH is 
the greatest PARTY band!!!)


Party on dudes...

The Itch

    
    
    Van Halen is definitely one of the most popular bands of all time.
    How many bands can you think of that have all of their albums go
    platinum? Every guitarist when they are younger want to be the fastest
    around. Eddy proved that, he also grew up. Changing his style around
    to be more melodic rather than just a heavy metal hero.
    
    The importance of being the fastest and the best gets old after
    a while thus giving more emphasis on style and melody.
    
    
    Gerry.

    It is well documented that old Van Halen is my favorite ever. I think
    they are the ultimate party band. 
    
    
    Van Dog

    
    	I think all of The Cars' albums went platinum.
    
    	The first 5 studio albums did anyways.
    
    							GTI
    

    rumor...rumor...rumor...
    
    DLR lost his guitarist...
    
    Hagar and the boyz losing momentum...
    
    DLR and EVH getting together???
    
    Sounds like a good enough set-up for the best comeback album and best
    marketing scam since new Coke.
    
    Just a rumor...
    
    Steve

Old Rumor dude....

Let's just hope that the ULTIMATE party band reunites...


As for the marketing scam....Yep....it helps out Sammy Hagar also who
is under the same record label.  Boosting sales all over the place!

Who cares as long as the Van Halen Classic is the same as the original!!!


The Itch

>>>   How many bands can you think of that have all of their albums go
>>>   platinum?

I think that "slouch" Jimmy Page was in a band that had all its albums go
platinum.  Let's see what was that band called?  8^)

Tim

I know....ummmmm yeah that's it....

XXX XXXXXX


The Itch

>    Re: EVH
>    
>    One thing I found surprising is the lack of complexity in his rhythm 
>    tracks.   I wasn't playing guitar back in high school days so naturally
>    I thought he was cool.   This time around, I was able to follow along on 
>    a lot the rhythm tracks.   Most are just derivatives of blues patterns.
    
    I can't even imagine how you could say that.
    
    EVH almost NEVER plays anything remotely cliche for rhythm.  
    I'm not even sure he's played more than one or two power chords
    in like the last 6 albums.
    
    As for complexity... I dunno, haven't you ever listened to "Little
    Guitars",  or "Finish What You Started", or "Secrets", or or.....
    
    I think Eddie is also one of the best rhythm players around because,
    like Townshend, he rarely plays anything straight.
    
    I'm not going to get into the comparison with Vai.   All I can say
    is that I don't see how ANYONE could claim that Eddie wasn't:
    
    	o An incredible innovator.  Frank Zappa has said that he
    	  re-invented the guitar.
    
    		and
    
    	o Has probably influenced more guitar players than anyone
    	  since Hendrix.
    
    We can't argue about "who's better", but it seems like the above
    two statements are beyond dispute.  Whether or not he's better than
    any of the folks that imitate, you just can't take these things
    away from him.
    
    I also agree with the statement about how Eddie always manages
    to play all these really "out" solos (rhythmically and in tonality)
    and still manages to make them "fit" the piece and "express" something
    so incredibly well.
    
    	db - also a Vai fanatic

    
    Gotta agree db,
    
    EVH did influence more players than anyone since JH. I never said
    that EVH wasn't a good guitarist, as a matter of fact he's a great
    guitarist, I like him, but I'm a big Vai fanatic and I'm sure that
    you'll agree that Vai can do some pretty amazing stuff, yes EVH
    can too, but some of the classical, jazz, and special effects that
    Vai does, I don't think EVH can touch.
    
    Mr. Ed...a big fan of both!
    does can't be touched by

>            <<< Note 45.238 by DREGS::BLICKSTEIN "Conliberative" >>>
>    I can't even imagine how you could say that.
>    
>    EVH almost NEVER plays anything remotely cliche for rhythm.  
>    I'm not even sure he's played more than one or two power chords
>    in like the last 6 albums.
>    
>    As for complexity... I dunno, haven't you ever listened to "Little    
>    I think Eddie is also one of the best rhythm players around because,
>    like Townshend, he rarely plays anything straight.
    
    That is just the way it sounded to me (compared to others that I listen
    to).  I've only listened to their first 3 albums.
    
    Mike

EVH originally was a drummer and Alex had the guitar.  They switched when they 
made VH.  

(I don't know what use this info is, but I found it interesting.)

Wildman

    I remember that from an interview or something.
    
    Eddie got mad when Alex started playing on his drums, so he picked up
    his guitar.
    The rest is history, I guess...

    
    
    According to this weeks Kerrang, Eddie said on Austrailian Radio, that
    he has sacked Sammy Hagar, and re-enlisted the help of Diamond Dave.
    
    The rumours were slowed however when Dave's publicist said the idea was
    bull$h1t. 
    
    I'm sure Pippa will post the whole article.
    
    Brynn.
    
    

>    According to this weeks Kerrang, Eddie said on Austrailian Radio, that
>    he has sacked Sammy Hagar, and re-enlisted the help of Diamond Dave.
 
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!
   
>    The rumours were slowed however when Dave's publicist said the idea was
>    bull$h1t. 
 
He said the idea was BS, but that doesn't mean that it won't happen. 
I can't see how it can't.  I think it was planned all along, seeing that
Ted Templeman produced VH and Sammy Hagar.  This was all planned to counter
the effects of the Zeppelin reuinion that will take place soon.  Zeppelin is 
on atlantic....VH is on Warner Bros.  Compitition of the MEGA-ROCK bands....

Wildman    
    

    
    RE: .241, .242...I think the story went something like this;
    
    Ed used to play the drums, and Alex played guitar.  While Ed was 
    out on his paper route to pay for his drum set, Alex used to play 
    on it.  Came to the point where Alex learned to play "Wipeout" on
    the drums, Ed never could.  Ed said, "You keep and play the drums,
    I'll play the guitar!"  I think this was before they were in Broken
    Combs...
    
    I read this way back when, always thought it was kinda cute and it
    stuck in my mind...
    
    J.

    >>                   <<< Note 45.245 by CSC32::H_SO >>>
    >>              -< Van Hagar ROOOOOOOOOLZ, No bozo David! >-
    
    
    Yeh, and I'm the Pope. 

    
    That must be Sammy's shoe shiner...

    
    Let's take a look at how they sold vs sell.  Brown M&M antics and their
    "bad boys" reputation versus good music! 8)
    
    J.

    
    
    I like both new and old...But I do miss Dave...
    
    Not that much tho..
    
    Gerry

    Very well put !
    
    
    
    				Scary

    Anything new on the horizon?

    Apparently Van Halen are opening a night club in Mexico.  It's called:
    
    "The Cabo Wabo Cantina"
    
    I guess this is why we haven't heard from them in a while, huh?
    
    Steve
    

    >>Anything new on the horizon?

      Naw, just the same old mountains 

    
    >>>Apparently Van Halen are opening a night club in Mexico.  It's called:
    
    >>>"The Cabo Wabo Cantina"
    
    
    I thought that it was in "Panama".

    Oh boy !  Another MTV contest !  I would love to see these guys put out
    a rocker of an album this time.  They all used to be awesome, put 'em
    together and the juices kinda quit flowing.  C'mon guys .... take of
    the skater duds, go get fried and make some good music again !
    
    
    				Scary
    
    (who still says Eddie wrote the book many guitarists still can't read !)
    

    
    Point well put!
    
    Gimme another album like Fair Warning or Women and Children...
    
    WTF....all albums up until 1984...
    
    If they get rid of Sammy they might be able to go back to their
    roots. But rumor has it they just went back in the studio with
    Sammy...I like him solo better...Pre 3 lock box stuff...
    
    Gerry

    True - but I liked 5150 and OU812.  It's time for all of 'em to get
    back to the basic stuff, including DLR.  If Sammy could have the same
    power with VH that he had on VOA, whoa !  Get of the ballads guys.  Let
    BendOver, Warrant, and Skidmark handle that.  Somebody Get Me A Doctor!
    
    
    				Scary

    
    Skidmark..............Scary???  I'm dying!!!
    
    
    agagagagaga.

    I heard from last summer that the next record's coming but I don't see
    anything. I think DLR has about as much chance of playing again with VH as,
    well, Tom Jones does, or me, for that matter. (But ReUnions are SOOO
    profitable on Pay-per-view!)
    
    Dude walks up to me once and says Do you want to come with us to see
    Van Halen? I go Who are they? He says A rock Band. Since I never went
    to Rock and Roll show B4, and actually HATED the stuff, I went for the 
     um, experience of it.  Off we went to party in 1981 and I still
    haven't come back.
    
    	So , like how LONG do we have to wait? Are we gonna see the next
    VH record with 4 fat bald guys on the cover ( like, say,  the dead? )
    
    	at least Madonna's come out with 2 since then. Same label, maybe
    WB is less concerned with their other properties...

    My wife just called to tell me, Eddie's a poppa now !  And guess what
    the little tyke's name is ?
    
    
    
    		WOLFGANG VAN HALEN
    
    That's great !   8^)

    
    Yep, a most triumphant name!

    if Wolfgang is such a triumphant name then why not change yours......
    
                               Wolfgang Cook
    
    
                                             ;)
                                         Staynz

      I wonder which one's idea it was to name him?
    					The KER
    

    
    re: .263
    
    Doesn't sound right. 8-) Johann Sabastian Cook sounds better. 8-)
    
    Definitely had to be Eddie...

    I find it odd that he named the little beggar after a German composer
    as the Dutch traditionally are none too fond of the Germans.  He should
    have named him after that famous Dutch composer...er what was his name? 
    Oh yeah Golden Earring (^8*.
    
    
    Ga-ZAZ

    
    	"Hot for Teacher" was on the "Grestest Hits" tape I listened
    	to in the car today ... wailing guitar in the intro and the
    	solo!!
    
    	He's still one of my favorites.
    
    							GTI
    

    
    I'd like to know how they did the bass drum tracks for that tune...

    -1
    
    Its a special kind of bass drum pedal that uses two beaters/pedal,
    giving a flange effect on the hits.  Thats why he had 4 bass drums,
    for those pedals (2/pedal).

    
    Yeah, I remember that now. I've always wondered where I could get
    a pedal set up like that. 8-)

      CAN you say drum machine...........
    
                                      Although it is human possible
    to do that kick drum........ALEX VAN HALEN has been known to
    use a drum machine!    Studio and Live ......LAME!!
    
                                        Frizkid
    

    
    
    Actually, I believe Buck is right.  Drummers Workshop makes (or made) a
    pedal that had two mallets and one pedal that when hit would strike one
    mallet after the other creating a flam effect.  A pair of these and you
    have the sickest quad bass sound ever.
    

    re. a few,the intro to Hot for teacher rules....and the rest of the
    song is almost as good,love those riffs!!
    
    
                                        Staynz
    

    Today is Alex Van Halen's birthday. Way to go Alex. What a drummer!

    Any news of a new album?  Is Daddy gonna rest on his laurels now?
    
    Mike

    At 5:00pm MST today, KUPD announced that they will be receiving the new
    Van Halen single "Pound Cake" next week.  I didn't quite catch all of
    the new album title, but it was something along the lines of "No Carnal
    Knowledge".  The album should be out in a few weeks.
    
    For those interested, Tom Petty's new album is also coming out within
    the next 2 weeks.
    
    Mike

    Mike,
    
    The album title is FOR UNLAWFUL CARNAL KNOWLEDGE
                       ^   ^        ^      ^
    
    Get it?

    
    	Van Hagar is really into the letters and numbers arn't they?
    
    
    B.A.
    

    
    How can a band go from being one of the greatest things since Heinz
    Baked Beans to this crap!  Rhetorical question because we all know the
    answer = Sammy Hagar.
    
    Even Poison sound more rockin that VH do now!
    
    
    GAZ

    I'll tell ya how a band can fall off the wagon like they did !
    
    				
    			KEYBOARDS !!!
    
    VH1 and VH2 were *awesome*.  Then this "creativity" thing got in their
    blood ... and "Diver Down" (read: VH does Motown ..) was born.  "Fair
    Warning" had some real good tunes - but then it had too, since DD was
    such a hound.  Then a LONG wait until "1984".  And when the 1st release
    of the album was "Jump", it pretty sealed the coffin lid for VH, in any
    format.  The album sold gazzillions of copies, but not to die-hard VH
    fans.  I was waiting at the store the day it was released - and was
    pretty dissappointed when I got it home.  But it was a big hit for them
    though - thus paving the way for the Van-Hagar version of VH.  I can
    just imagine all of these guys sitting around writing songs, coming up
    with all these sappy/wimpy tunes and thinking, "hmmmmmmmm, JonBonOvary
    is getting rich doin' this ... besides, our wives will *love* it !" 
    Classic example of losing your head over a piece of tail ...
    
    'scuse me ... I think I had 1 too many cups of coffee this morning.
    
    Scary

    
    Jerry! I couldn't possibly agree more!!!!x100,000
    
    /prc

    
    
       Pretty much sums it up for me too!  Even though I didn't get caught
    up in Van Halen fever when they first came out, I much prefer their old
    stuff to the later garbage!  I like to call the stuff that VH, Poison
    and JonBomb(tm) do 'Beginners Rock' with much the same contempt as I
    have for Irish Whiskey = 'Beginners Whisky'.  OK to begin with but soon
    gets boring!
    
    
    GAZ

    
>"Fair Warning" had some real good tunes - but then it had too, since DD was
>    such a hound.
    
    
    I know you ain't implying dat "Fair Warning" came after Diver Down.
    So clarify yourself. 
    
    

    
    
    Diver Down is after .. Fair Warning..
    
    Jesse why don't you put a discography in a here..
    
    
    My Favorites are 
    
    VH1 
    VH2
    Woman and Children First
    
    The rest suck!

    
    Don't hold back F., tell us how you REALLY feel! 8-)

    
    
    OK
    
    The rest REALLY suck!
    
    Goddess F.

    Fair Warning does not suck. Even 1984 has some good songs. I can see
    where we would be critical of their later work, given the quality of
    their earlier stuff, whereas bands like Poison never had good stuff to
    compare their latest pop release to. To Van Halen's credit their bad
    stuff is a lot better than the best stuff a cheesy band like Poison
    does.

    THink about it. "Hot For Teacher" and "Panama" kick ass, yet their
    quality is diminshed by the overall quality of 1984. IMO "The Full Bug"
    is a great song but most people don't like Diver Down and don't
    recognize it due to the FACK(tm) that the overall quality of Diver Down
    doesn't live up to their earlier stuff. 

    
    	I think Einstein said it best, something to do with relativity.
    
    	- Jim, who prefers their earlier stuff, also nothing live ever 
    	compared to thier Orpheum show.  I'm not saying they sucked live 
    	after that just that 'ole theory again!

    
    
    Well Jesse, I agree with you that there worst stuff is light years
    better than Poisen's best stuff.
    
    But its all a matter of taste!  So there!  8*)
    
    Goddess F.

    Re: keyboards
    
    What's really sad:  I recently read an interview with him in one of the
    guitar mags.  EVH said he writes all songs on the keys now.  He also
    had a quote about being mature now and not needing to play the guitar
    so fast.
    
    BTW - I heard "Mine All Mine" today for the first time.  That has some
    interesting accusations in there!
    
    Mike

    Ya get older - ya slow down.  Well, except for Ted Nugent.   8^)
    
    Scary

    Anyone hve any comments on "Poundcake", from the new album ?  WAAF has
    been wearing it out this week.  I'm sure it'll be months before I hear
    it down here in Dixie.
    
    I didn't think it's too bad at all - it's "VanHagar", not VanHalen. 
    But at least it's got a slight amount of testicular fortitude, which
    was lacking in 5150 and OU812 ...
    
    Scary (who'll buy the CD when it comes out ....)

    Yeah,It's been driven in Me head for few days now.
    The feel of it makes you feel that Eddy didn't write this one on
    Keyboards..   But what do I know about the group?/
    
    I heard another cut that had heavy "Sinth"in it..
    Can"t member the name----
    
       Crazy_Pound_This_Al

    
    
     I heard it for the first time yesterday. I can't decide if I liked
    it or not if you know what I mean. I'll have to hear it some more
    before I make a decision. It did seem to be driven by Eddie's guitar
    tho.
             mike
    

    
    
    YUK.

    
    
    New Halen is cool to me.
    
    It  Has that kinda crank it up gimme some more beer and spleef me
    feel to it.....I can't wait for more....It comes out June 12th
    
    Gerry

    
    Don't know about the rest of the album, but Poundcake is a breath of
    fresh air!
    
    /prc

    What is this anyway?  I can't get away from this VH discussion.  First
    in Guitar notes and now here!  Whadda drag...

    Ya gotta think that a good band's totally lost it when they resort to
    stupid high school sexual references in their album titles.  

    "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" 

    Well, isn't that clever?  ;^(  Gimme a break...

    And doesn't it give the moronic DJ's something even more stupid to go
    on about.  "Gee, what could that mean?"  "You figure it out..."  Yeah,
    I've actually heard both of these lines, and I'm expecting a lot more
    of 'em.  ;-(

    The only song I've heard so far is "Poundcake" and on the first listen
    I thought it was pretty lame.
    
    gh

    
    
    	RE: .300
    
    	gotta agree with you Greg about the lame part.  I got to
    	hear it last night and I thought they were trying to sound
    	like old VH in the very beginning (maybe the start of
    	Pretty Woman?) and it went downhill from there...
    	)8
    
    	tigga~~~

    
    Well I heard it for the 1st time last night on a shi++y renet a car
    stereo. Thought it was ok but I definetly need to hear it on a good
    system.....
    
    
    Jeff

    
    every time i see a reply from pete saying 'i couldnt possibly agree
    more'
    i stop reading :') cause i know ill disagree :')
    

    I heard the new song last night on the radio and I loved it.It's like
    more of what I liked about VH,except Sammy's still in the band.8)
    
    
    
                                              Staynz

     Van Halen will start a national tour in late August.
        I hope the do a real one instead of this 10 dates across the the 
    contenient thing.
    
                   Frizkid
    

    Oh         sh8t--
    I've been listening to the V.H special on the radio tonight...
    Eddy said he used the picks on a power drill routine..
    Now,somebody help us--I've read in here and other places that there
    is another band that has done this(within the year).Not to put down
    the V.H,but listening to this interview that was recorded at Eddies
    house,It was a new concept in guitar playin....    :_PPPPPPPPPPPPPP*
    
    Their is a tune called"Spanked"--Alex sounds great to me
    bit---Pleeeseeeeee.
    
    "Judgement Day" starts out like another older V.H tune(ask Tigga~~)
    but(to me,Flayels***)     Fellow Noter Gerry should drink it up.
    
    Producers Ted Tempelten and Andy Jhon(ZEP) collaborated on this one
    so-----------you be the Judge.
    
    It cranks--and so does Sammy,but I won't buy it.
    
     
    Crazy_I.shut_of_the_Radio_special_because_of_the_DJ(Hi.We're the 
    friendly|NEW|V_H|   buymebuymebuyme.......Attitude..Makemesik*__Al
    

    I think this album is the ballz!!!!  The did kinda hint for sales
    on Monday but..  I was riding in tonight, WAAF said it was the only
    Van Halen station.  Too bad the same show was being broadcasted on
    WHJY and WBCN...
    
    Boz

    I taped it last night - listening to it right now.  The drill thing
    wasn't like the famed `Paul Gilbert' trick ... Eddie held the drill up
    to his pickups and fired it off, resulting in the intro to `Poundcake'.
    
    The DJ did sorta ruin things, but I'll just fast_forward through the
    garbage.  Everything I've heard so far (3 songs and LOTS of jabber)
    really sounds good .... more as the day progresses ...
    
    Scary (who says the Data Center will be rockin' today !!!)

    Sounds to me like Eddie is getting old!
    
    
    
    GAZ 

    Well ... I've listened to almost all of it (lot of gab on this tape),
    but there's a wealth of good music here !  AND very little keyboard
    work .. they said the songs just fell into place that way - I've got a
    feeling that their management might have nudged the old farts into
    making a rock 'n roll album.  Eddie's as slick as ever, and he even has
    another instrumental to add to the `eruption/little guitars/spanish
    fly' saga, called `316'.  This is the same tune Eddie did a LONG time
    ago on the `Live Without A Net' concert, at the beginning of his
    obligatory guitar solo.  Pretty little piece ... I learned a section of
    it back then and would play it a lot during sound checks to check the
    volume on my clean tones.
    
    I will be picking up this CD on the way home !!!
    
    
    Scary

    
    I think this release is ALOT better than the last two they put out.
    Eddie has gotten away from the keyboard alot and you can tell
    he'sactually writting his music on the guitar again instead of the
    keys.
    
    Last night I realized why alot of bands put out a first album, it's
    fantastic, but as they go on the albums get worse and worse. I think
    it might be partially attributed to the fact that most bands at
    the later point in their careers are writting the music in the studio
    as they record it. Stupid I think, but they can afford it so...

    I think it's better than the last two with Hagar, but lacks the gnads
    of the early VHI/VHII days.
    
    Buck, who kinda liked VH up til F.W., but now their sound grates his
    ears like a chain saw through sheet metal!

    re: .306
    
>    Eddy said he used the picks on a power drill routine..
>    Now,somebody help us--I've read in here and other places that there
>    is another band that has done this(within the year).Not to put down
>    the V.H,but listening to this interview that was recorded at Eddies
>    house,It was a new concept in guitar playin....    :_PPPPPPPPPPPPPP*
    
    New concept, yeah right.  Paul Gilbert has been using the electric
    drill to do *picking* not just sound effects for at least four years,
    AND his left hand can keep up with it.  Many people have used various
    electric devices near guitar pickups to make unusual noises.  Dave
    Navarro from Jane's Addiction has done this with a vibrator for at
    least a couple of years.
    
    Yeah...EVH, Mr. Innovation...  <insert most sarcastic expression>
    
    re: .311

>    Last night I realized why alot of bands put out a first album, it's
>    fantastic, but as they go on the albums get worse and worse. I think
>    it might be partially attributed to the fact that most bands at
>    the later point in their careers are writting the music in the studio
>    as they record it. Stupid I think, but they can afford it so...
    
    Very true, I agree.  And not just that, but people have all their life
    to think up good material for a first album.  For subsequent ones,
    there are time limits and pressure from the business side of the house.  
    
    gh

    Greg ... see .308 for the `drill technique' clarification.  From what I
    heard (listened to that show non-stop all morning ...) off the album,
    it indeed cranks .... EVERY song they played had a great groove to it,
    even the slow ballad thingy they debuted.  Folks can make all the noise
    about what a no_talent, un_inspired, putz Eddie VanHalen is, but it's a
    dumptruck full of equestrian fecal matter to me.  Granted, with years
    he has mellowed out a LOT ... he's not as reckless as he was on earlier
    albums, but in trade, he's grown into the keys (not saying it's a plus)
    and his riffs are more melodic now.  Many of his techniques stem from
    classical ones, so what ?  Nothing is truely original anymore -
    everyone has influences.  Enough from the charter member of the EVH fan
    club ...  8^)
    
    I think this album will do well for 'em .... 
    
    
    Scary

    re: Scary
    
    Yeah, I saw that.  It's still no grand innovation, note my comment on
    Paul Navarro using electric devices by the pickups to make wierd
    noises.  People should just make music and leave the egos at home...
    
    A 10 year old kid could stick a drill next to a guitar and make that
    noise, how about some innovative playing instead?
    
    Don't get me wrong, you all have sparked my interest in this new VH
    album when previously there was none whatsoever.  I was expecting
    another like the last couple (lame-o).
    
    gh

    I was expecting another OU812, but after listening to those cuts all
    day - this is DEFINITELY a change for the better.
    
    RE:  Marital devices and music ...
    I don't see that using `non-musical' things for music equals an ego. 
    From what I've seen/heard (I admit, I'm very biased here ...), EVH is
    Mr. Non_ego.  He's just having a good time ...
    
    Scary (having a good time too ...)

>    RE:  Marital devices and music ...
>    I don't see that using `non-musical' things for music equals an ego. 
>    From what I've seen/heard (I admit, I'm very biased here ...), EVH is
>    Mr. Non_ego.  He's just having a good time ...

    I don't have a problem with that at all.  I like strange noises!  What
    I was responding to was one of the previous notes that said VH made it
    sound like his use of a non-musical device to make a weird noise was
    some sort of innovation.

    And FWIW, I've heard and read *several* interviews that would make me
    think that EVH is ANYTHING BUT "Mr. Non_ego".  If he thought any more
    of himself, he'd be spelling his last name Malmsteen...
    
    I also think that the album title is really juvenile (especially for a
    band that seems to be trying to use the excuse of "maturing" for
    putting out music that doesn't have the fire and energy their earlier
    music did).

    gh

    To me, Eddie is a guitar player with a great rhythm technique and an
    interesting improvisational technique.  I love his rhythm playing,
    those tapped leads irk me (not enough variation).

    That's a good point - you have to be a DAMN good rhythm player to pull
    of a 3 piece ... his tapped leads were the rage when HE first got them
    noticed.  99% of the hot tap players today were introduced to the
    technique by him.  Lack of variation, to a degree, is what dictates a
    person's style.  Like Via, Satriani, Coop, any of the greats ... they
    stand out because of their `range', or the range they choose.
    
    Scary (who's listening to it again right now - excellent rhythm work)

    re: few back:
    
    
    
    Bah, Bull, None of EVH tyechniques come from classical guitar.
    Ya don't know what yer talkin about. 
    
    
    Toe. 

    Oh that's right - I remember now .... Eddie's technique actually comes
    from Navaho indians ... what *was* I thinking about ....
    
    Scary

    RE: -1
    
    I just slapped myself for that smart a$$ remark ... sorry Toe.  8^)
    
    Has anyone seen the video for `Poundcake' yet ?  I saw it a number of
    times on MTV this weekend.  I guess everyone's on the "sex sells" band
    wagon ... hey, I'm sold !   8^)
    
    Scary (who says the girl that's got the lines running up the back of
    her stockings is Webster's definition of `Poundcake' ... mercy !)

    Sorry guys, I saw this cr@p last weekend for the first time!  It
    totally, and I mean this most sincerely, sux!  Sammy Hagar does David
    Lee Roth, and fails miserably!  The only good thing about this song is
    the girls in the vid!
    
    And the title of the album is pathetic in the extreme!
    
    
    
    GAZ  who wishes van Hagar would go away and stop annoying people!
    

    Nope, Sammy isn't doing a Dave here, but there is one song on the album
    (can't remember the name, `Pleasuredome' maybe ...), where he does a
    lot of real low talking and stuff .... Dave�, no doubt.  
    
    `Poundcake' idsprobably one of the more marketable songs on the album,
    remember when 1984 was released and `Jump' was the 1st release ?  Go
    for the mass apeal, it's just good business - then throw in some
    scruptous hind quarters, BINGO.  Shame you can't use the same idea when
    it comes to selling computers ...
    
    Scary

    I bought the CD Saturday ... and it's been spinning non-stop since
    then.  Before I give my `review' of it, I know eveyone won't feel the
    same way about it.  Enjoy ...  8^)
    
    There are several songs with `radio' written all over them ... those
    being `Poundcake', `Top Of The World', and `The Dream Is Over'. 
    There's only 1 song with heavy keyboards (`Right Now'), but by heavy, I
    mean "heavy", almost along the same lines as `The Cradle Will Rock'. 
    This could also be another radio contender.  `Judgement Day' is a
    balls_to_the_walls rocker ... I can't get enough of this tune ! 
    `Spanked' is pretty stupid, but I can see where it would be a good
    excuse for a bass solo in concert.  `Pleasure Dome' starts off with
    some talking under the music, sounds a LOT like DLR.  `Runaround', `In
    and Out', and `Man On A Mission' are pretty generic rockers, but they
    kick pretty well.  `316', which is an instrumental should/could have
    been a lot longer ... it's a little 3 chord wonder with a few minor
    twists, pretty tame for Eddie's standards.  
    
    Eddie's still a hot player (IMHO, before the flames come in ...), but
    his EXCELLENT rhythm playing shine through on this CD.  I think since
    *everybody* started tapping after he got it rolling, they overlook all
    his other talents.  
    
    I made a tape of this CD and put `OU812' on the other side, and
    there's a BIG change for the better.  BUT, if you can't stand VanHalen
    with Hagar, this CD won't budge you much - if you tolerated the new
    line-up, you'll probably like this.
    
    Scary (who likes the attitude of this band ...)

    Well, I will give it a spin then Jerry, but only if I can get it for
    free (^8*.  Though I fully expect to be disappointed as I have not
    liked very much of what van (whatever they want to call themselves)
    have produced in recent years.
    
    I wish it could be otherwise.  Eddie is still a great guitarist, but
    the man himself tends to forget that!
    
    
    GAZ

    RE: Album title ...
    I definitely agree there ... very stupid.  
    
    RE: The new album ...
    It's a love/hate thing ... the masses will probably love it.  
    
    I don't expect it to knock the world on it's a$$, but I bet it'll sell
    a bunch of copies, quietly ...
    
    Scary

    re SCARY 
    
    Evidently the masses like it cuz it's number 1, the cd I mean.

    Hmmm .. they're probably all a bunch of LedZep fans anyhow ...  8^)
    
    Scary (a person of mass ...)

    
    Why doesn't Eddie do something really original, like hold an oil-well
    drill next to his pick-up!
    
    Poundcake sux(tm) and the video is totally sexist and egotistical!  I
    like to see pretty girls as much as the next guy, but this is pathetic!
    
    
    
    GAZ

    RE: Eddie and originality ...
    
    Puhleeze .... Eddie's writtned the book on so many `original' lix, it's
    hard to remember where ya heard 'em first ... listen to VHI and VHII,
    it's in there ...  8^)
    
    RE:  Poundcake and sexisim ...
    
    Puhleeeze ... MTV `is' the sexism capital of the world.  If ya wanna
    sell apples they better look (and sound) like apples.  I'm not a big 
    fan of `Poundcake' either, but there are some real screamers on this
    CD, call it commercial, call it a sell_out, call it un_original, it's
    still gonna sell a sh*tload of copies, because it's aimed at the
    public, not at the guitar wanabe's of the world.
    
    Scary

    
    Help me.
    I would like to know somthing about the new Album.
    
    Is the 2nd Song "Judgment Day" from the new Arnie Movie 
    "Terminator II-Judgment Day"?
    
    Guenter
    

    -1
    Sorry
    "Judgement Day"
         =
    
    Guenter

    I don't know if it is or not, but it's a helluva song, by far my
    favorite on that CD !
    
    Scary

    
    Hmmm...
    
    Thats interesting Scary coz that track is my least favourite. Oh well,
    horses for courses I spose!
    
    -Tony (who likes tracks 1, 3, 7).

    What are the names of 1,3,7 .... I can't remember.  Isn't `Poundcake'
    the 1st track ?  
    
    Scary

    I love the lyrics to Poundcake!

    I hate everything about Poundcake.  An instant 'clicker' when it airs
    on the radio!

    I'm with Buck, I can't stand listening to PoundLAME!  The only
    *remotely* interesting thing about the entire song is the electric
    drill sounds at the beginning.  The rest is total Muzak...
    
    gh

    I agree, further I think every record done in  Eddie's 5150 studio
    is not as good as the early work. I think he ought to forget about
    trying to make his own records and hire somebody who does it all the
    time. 

    I said the lyrics, not the music.

    well i was talking about the records. 
    Mr hagar as I understanding it is responsible for the lyrics.
    

    RE: 5150 ....
    
    hey, it's a room with recording gear ... probably every bit as nice as
    any other big name studio, why should that make a difference.
    
    
    Face it, VanHagar is radio_rock.  A lot of bands have crossed into that
    twilight zone - is it such a crime ?   It's better than Paula Abdul or
    Madonna ....
    
    
    Scary

    
    better than Madonna or Paula Abdul................only just!
    
    
    give the old stuff anyday
    
    
                                                Staynz

    Agreed, the old stuff is better, but ...
    
    ... those days are  L O N G  gone !!!  I f DLR were to rejoin the
    group, you wouldn't hear the *old* VanHalen either.  
    
    And something else that has always bothered me about the VanHagar
    bashing ... when DLR made his records, they didn't sound anything like
    the old VH either, but that was cool.  Then in the same breath folks
    would talk about what an integral part of VanHalen he was.  If he was
    carrying the ball why did he drop it when he got on his own ?  
    
    But, both groups have old VH in their concerts, so I guess they're
    hanging on to the memories too ...
    
    
    Scary

    I quite agree but just for now my tastes seem to run more with DLR than
    with VH.I wish Eddie would dump all the keyboard nonsense,or lessen it 
    a lot,and give a bit more on the guitar.
    
    
    
                                              Staynz

    Well, you need to listen to the new CD ... 1, count 'em, 1 keyboard
    oriented song, and no mushy ballads.  Gotta remember, I'm a serious VH
    fan, and an even bigger EddieVH fan - he could probably pass gas with a
    guitar in his hands and I'd be impressed.  Even though on the new CD,
    Eddie doesn't really show anything `new', he's still a master of his
    own style, which I personally love !  Shoot me, I like 'em !  8^)
    
    Scary (who don't need no sensible shoes ...)

    I haven't got the new cd but being in the same frame of mind about
    EVH playing,I'll get it.You're right in the respect that he hasn't done
    anything "new" for a while but he is the man who added a new level to
    rock guitar playing.Part of the reason why I took up guitar.Anyway,
    can't shoot a man I agree with ............8^)
    
    
    
                                     Staynz

    from what I hear of Van Halen it's obvious even if ed plays the tunes
    on guitar they were not written on them, they were written on piano.
    They sound like transcriptions to me. Un-guitar-ish.
    They didn't sound like that before 5150.

    fwiw, I'll listen to Madonna ANYDAY over this radio_rubbish!

    In an interview I heard with them, Eddie composed all the tunes on the
    new release on guitar.
    
    Scary

    Yea, right, like Axl Rose dosn't take Drugs anymore!

    Yea, right, like Leclaire knows what he's talking about!

    that's LeClaire

    no BFD then.................;-)

    Buck you're seriously a wimp IMO.
    
    
    Note the lack of smileys. 
    
    
    
    
    Actually while Buck's comment shows his BBSTism(tm) I can't get bent
    cuz I gotta think of how often I grill others. So BBST(tm) disreguard
    what I said before the <FF>

    
    
    Well I don't like DLR or the new VH!!!!
    

    
    	DLR's first couple albums, "Eat 'Em and Smile" and "Skyscraper"
    	[I don't count "Crazy from the Heat" because it's an EP and I
    	don't have it] rocked ... they were much better than "5150" and
    	"OU812".
    
    	And Madonna is better than most of the Van Hagar stuff.  8^)
    
    							GTI

    
    	I love the rotating stage in "Runaround".  It's probably not or-
    	iginal, but it's a great effect.
    
    							GTI

    Nope, Vanhalen sucks ... whatsamatterwithyou !
    
    
    Scary (who loves nothing these days ....

    They'll be performing live at the MTV awards this year.

    How interesting. I really can`t wait.
    
    Joe Strummer.
    

    Do I detect just the smallest, teensy little hint of a trace of sarcasm
    there?  Must be my imagination!
    
    
        Or, could it possible be:
    
    
                   VAN HALEN SUX!
    
    
    GAZ

    Seems like Joe and I will be on the edge of our seats until the
    performance...

    I bought the new lp and its great!
    
    
    
    
                                                   Staynz

    They rocked the house down in Phoenix last night!  

    RE-1
              DID YOU GO?
    
      My review:      I had 11th row CENTER!!!!!!!
    
             What a HOT show.....
    
         They opened with my least favorite song "POundcake"....
    
        Did almost the whole new album....
                    Alot from 5150...
                A few from Sammy's albums....(Rockin'!)
                Some Old Van Halen...(Which Sammy messes up on purpose)
    
    
               The guys were in top form...It was a very high energy show.
        Sammy and Eddie trading licks on the old SAMMY stuff.
                        Gave me chills!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
           Not to give anything away but look-out at the end of the drum
    solo and at the end of the show.
    
               It's like the F*CKIN' Fourth of July!!!!!!!!
    
           I'm still glad one half of the VAN HALEN camp can still rock!!
    
                                Frizkid
    

    Same set here.  I've seen them before so I kind of knew what to expect.
    Someone said in GUITAR recently that (paraphrased) someone's sound is
    90% personality and 10% gear.  The more I see guys like this, the more
    I believe it.  He's got some of the fugliest gear I've seen, but still
    sounds great.
    
    go figure,
    Mike

    I'm sooooooooooooooooo bummed I missed it!

    busy today, huh Jiz?

    The show in Dener was Totally AWESOME !!!! those boys do knopw know to
    rock and have fun.  They were at Fiddlers Green and didn't use their
    normal stage (kind of dissapointing) but a GREAT show.  Only 2 old HV
    songs... (Panama and Jump). .I figure after the next album they will
    not do any more old VH songs.
    
    That's it,
    
    -Flash (Bart Simpsons Best Friend)

    I really liked the acoustic version of "Eagle's Fly".  

    A local listener called into KUPD and mentioned how the band, and their
    families, stopped by Mickey D's drive thru (while he was working it) on
    their way to the airport.  They all got out to talk to everyone, signed
    autographs, and basically made it enjoyable for the fans.

    This is the big difference between them and hemorrhoids like Axl.  VH,
    and other pros like them, are in the business this long because they
    are not above their fans and realize it is the fans that make them as
    popular as they are.  Axl should be taking notes.

    Mike

    BTW - I forgot to mention that he had his Ernie Ball guitar and never
    switched all night.  However, there was nothing but Marshalls out for
    amps.  Maybe Peavey isn't road worthy?
    
    His spotlight solo pretty much consisted of his instrumentals strung
    together (i.e., Eruption, Cathedral, one from the new album, etc.)
    
    Mike

    Sounds like the solo he's been doing for years .... 
    
    Scary

    Yawn?    
                WRONG!!!!!
    
                    This solo had much of his old stuff but alot of it has
    changed since I saw him play last(5150).
    
                  Frizkid
    

    Friz, as a drummer, what do you think of Alex?  His pyro stuff was
    neat, but I don't know much about drumming.
    
    Mike

       I think he a good studio and live drummer.
    
        Last time I saw them (5150) he had the aid of a drum machine during
    his solo.......Bogus!
    
         This time he didn't.......He sounded like John Bonham's "Moby
    Dick"     Some neat stuff but most of it was triplet variations.
     It was pretty cool when his drum riser went up and mass pyros
    everywhere.
                  All in all....He's a good soild drummer.
    
               Above average.
    
      Did you notice he was wearing a click track alot?
             Probably because it's so early in the tour and he wants his 
    tempo to be right...
    
                  Frizkid
    
                        

>                       -<  HE's balding though....8*)! >-
    
    Don't tell Coop, he'll be trying to recruit him for HARDBALD!
    
    ;^)

       Greg....
    
            Don't say anything but I heard that Hardbald's drummer isn't
    bald enough so their replacing him with someone that fits the bill.
    
             8*)....Gotta ya Skip!
    
                            Frizkid
    

    ...what?? no reviews on last night's show at the
    Centrum??...Harrumpffff!.../k

    they sucked!

    Did somebody help you write that ?

    Buck probably found an old L.A. Guns review, and decided to cross post
    it.

    Ok, so I have to eat some of my words...
    
    I've heard several songs from the new VH album that I actually liked. 
    I still don't like "Runaround" (or whatever it's called, the first
    single), but there is some very enjoyable music on here.  I especially
    like "Top of the World".  I'd like to hear the rest!
    
    gh

    Judgement Day *CRANKS* .... Top Of The World is destined to be a
    summertime hit .... 316 will be the next `eruption' for the wannabe
    crowd ... I already know it ... 'course I learned it from the 5150 tour
    ...
    
    Scary

    Yo Gle,
    
    You *like* Top of the World?!?
    
    Fackin Brrrrrrrrrrrrrr, man!!!

    
    I like Top of the World, 'cause I'm standing on it! 8-)

    Yeah Buck, I actually *like* "Top Of the World".  Like Jerry sez, has
    that kind of happy, summertime, feel to it.
    
    gh

    
    
    That's why I like it. I won't be buying the CD or anything though.

    
    
    I bought the album and its the best single on it....IMHO!!
    
    
    
                                                 Staynz

    I agree, good tune.

    VAN HALEN REVIEW:
    
          Caught them in Columbia S.C. on 2/29/92. Same show you guy's saw
    in Sept.-Oct.. Fireworks the same...most likely the same song
    selection, a few of Sammy's older ones and alot from Knowledge.
    Overall ...good show except the vocals were a little weak(being drowned
    out by instruments). 
    
    Snake
    

  
    
    	Has anyone seen or have any comments on the new VH
    video,"Right Now" ?
    
     
    Later,
    
    B.A.
    

Right now Eddie has his hands full...

I like it...

    That video is totally rulin'.  
    
    Keeps ya busy, don't it?

    I'll try...
    
    	Everytime the words "right Now" are sung, there is a following
    sentence to go with it..
    
    	Ex: "Right Now" Someone is being killed!...."Right Now" Eddie has
    his hands full!...etc.
    
    	This video is cool to try and follow along.
    
    HTH's
    
    B.A.
    

    X-cellant video!!!
    
    I've only caught it one time though..
    
    
    jeff

    I finally saw (good for me, cuz I never watch tv!!) the Right Now
    vide.  ohmygawd, I actually liked it!!  It was thoughtful...not
    mindless, which I hate in a bogus video!
    
    
    Buck, who wishes he was in OK right now..

Not as thoughtful as Poundcake though...

>    It was thoughtful...not mindless, which I hate in a bogus video!
    
    So...you're saying you don't mind a bogus video as long as it's
    thoughtful?
    
    FWIW, I guess I should confess that I've liked every song off of "For
    Unlawful..." that I've heard except for "Poundlame".
    
    gh

    I like at the end of the vidio when it reads::
    
    "Right now the band has to go."
    
           Crazy_Then_it_shows_them_enterin_A_Mens_room_Al

    Actually I really like that video. It's got my early vote as Vid of the
    year. 
    
    Imagine, A Van Halen video that makes you think.
    
    Whooda thunk?

    
         "       -ditto-
    
    						-B()()M-

    Yeah, I just saw that one last night too.  Pretty interesting!
    
    gh

    
    I've heard that it was really good. 
    
    I gotta see it.
    
    

    You want REALLY good???????????
    
                 LISTEN TO THE FIRST 6 VAN HALEN ALBUMS!
    
      Frizkid...Who is in a very OLD Van Halen mood.
    

    From Circus magazine:
    
         A youth in Arkansas was arrested for wearing a Van Halen tour
    shirt with the word F.*.*.K. on the back of it.
        The shirt is considered "obscene" by law.
                He faces something like a year in jail or a 1,000 dollar
    fine.  Van Halen is VERY upset at this and offered to help the youth 
    in anyway they could.
    
              Friz
    

    Does anyone know if Colorado has any laws like this?
    
        I'm interested buecause I bought a shirt at the last Skid Row
    concert that has the words EAT,F**K,KILL on the back of it.
    
             Friz
    

    America....The land of the free.....HAHA
    
    MArk

    
    
    	...with little jail houses for you and me....ain't that America!
    
    B.A.

    I don't suppose they'd like my "F*CK YOU I'M FROM TEXAS" shirt then?
    
    ;)
    
    'pril

    
    	Well, they probably realize that a Texan's vocabulary consists
    	of:
    
    	1)  F***
    	2)  y'all
    
    	so they'd just look the other way.
    
    							GTI

    Arrested for wearing a shirt that says F**K on it??!  He must have done 
    something else, like talk back to the cops or something.
    
    I'm sure everyone's seen those shirts that have that word written all
    over them in all kinds of fonts.... people don't get arrested for
    wearing that shirt!  (At least they didn't used to!)
    

    >I don't suppose they'd like my "F*CK YOU I'M FROM TEXAS" shirt then?
    
    Hay, I have one of those shirts!!
    8^)
    
    Mine's Black with white letters.  Yours?
    

    Shawn u is rong. Texans also say sheeyit.

    re: Friz,
    
    Ahhh, didn't realize living in Arkansas was so "dangerous"  haha!
    
    BTW, what's the sexual position for my sign (Pisces)?  Does it involve
    a snorkel?
    

    Ken: I can remember all the signs but they're great!
    
     Mine is a guy laying down and the girl facing backwards on top.
    
               friz
    

    
    	If you want Bible Belt, come down here to SC,NC and Ga!  man, can't
    do anything on Sunday.
    
    B.A.

    You can get those "f**k you i`m from Texas" t-shirts from London.
    A mate of mine got one,and was asked "gee,are you from Texas?" to
    which he had to reply "er,no mate - i`m from Reading".
    
    ho!ho! 
    

    I re-read the article and I was right for the most part.
    
     The kid was arrested the day after the concert while he was walking
    home from school. The shirt VIOLATES the "the smutty shirt law they
    have in Arkansas".  It's a class A misdemeaner and is punishable with
    up a year in jail or a 1,000 fine. 
    
       Van HAlen called the kid and said if he is fined they will pay it.
    
                    Friz
    

    
    	Gimme a break!
    

    Since this is the Van Halen topic:
    
     ONE BREAK....COMING UP!!!
    
                      Friz
    

    
    	Hey hey ... one break, coming up!!
    
    							GTI

    
    	Wise-*ss!!  Beat me to it!!
    
    							GTI

     8P!
    
           Friz
    

    
    
    	pppfffttthhh!  to the both of ya-s...... =)
    

    Haven`t the geezers in Arkansas got anything better to worry about?
    
    Bollocks,is wot i say.
    

     Do you think Van Halen should hire a lawyer for the kid?
        What should Van Halen do if the kid goes to jail for a year?
           How responible should Van Halen be?
    
             Friz<
    

    
    They should know better than to put such sophmoric crap on shirts.
    It's the same as Anthrax's "Don't you F***ing Look at Me" shits.

    Exactly!

    Pete : Are you saying that if you ever make it big you'll NEVER put
    anything like that on a shirt? (It is on the inlays of your demo)
    
     I think rock fans like the idea of having curse words on their shirts.
        I mean at Skid Row the shirt with EAT..F**K...KILL was selling
    ALOT more than the regular shirts.  
    
         I'm very confused about this whole thing.....
    
                    Friz
    

    
    I'd never do that. There's alot of crazy local laws out there. Cassette
    packing is one thing, a shirt is another.

    With all the "profanilty/obscenity" law stuff going around, I think
    bands are treading on thin ice if they're marketing stuff like this.
    Ultimately, they'll be held responsible in such cases.

    I think goverment should stay the F**K out of our life.
          I'm getting real sick of it....
     
              Friz
    

    IMO Van Halen isn't liable at all. They didn't force the kid to buy or
    wear the shirt. What, if anything, they do for the kid is totally out
    of the goodness of their hearts and appreciation for their fans. 

    GET A CLUE, Jesse.
    
    This is a re-occuring legal trend in 'entertainment' lawsuits.  Like
    the guy who went to see Doug Danger (professional stunt cyclist) ride,
    and while he was at the show got overtly drunk, fell down, and wrecked
    himself.  He did not sue the sports center, he sued the entertainer
    and his mgmt co., and WON!
    
    This is just one incident of a string of re-occuring lawsuits. 

    That one thing I think Mike and I will agree on.
            Reality sucks....I wanna go back to my parents house and hide
    under a rock sometimes.
     I need to STOP reading the newspaper every morning and STOP watching
    the news.
              Friz..Listening to Poison. Give me something to believe in.
    

    Yo Buck, I said IMO. I didn't mention any legal issues. Nor did I play
    amateur lawyer. 

    Sorry Jesse, I didnot see the IMO.  I just saw "VH isn't liable".
    
    Well, they're not, really, but they basically are for all intents and
    purposes.

>     Do you think Van Halen should hire a lawyer for the kid?

    That's up to them.  I don't think they have any obligation to.

>        What should Van Halen do if the kid goes to jail for a year?

    Send him a case of Vasoline.

>           How responible should Van Halen be?

    I don't personally think they're responible. 
                                                
    gh

    
    > case of vasoline.
    
    Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
    

Who/what decides if he goes to jail or takes the fine?!

I can't beleive crap like this sometimes, with all the problems this
country faces, to go out of your way to arrest a kid for having a nasty
shirt.

Probably the kid next to him was packing a .22, switch blade and some heroine,
but had a plain white shirt on.  What a fackin' farse...

    I'm sure the court system/judge decides what the fate of the 
      smutty shirt wearer.  
    
              Friz
    

    You really think that in a world where drug dealers (minor ones) are
    getting probation at worst that this kid is going to have to do much
    more than appologize and promise not to wear the shirt again?
    
    Steve

    That's justice for ya, huh Steve.  They'll probably flay him...
    
    :-(

    I feel sorry for the kid.  I was always the one that got "made the example 
    of" when I was a teen.  Sucks being him!  But then again I bet the kid is 
    blown away with the attention that he's getting, especially by VH 
    themselves...
    
    /
    \teve
    /

    I remember when W.A.S.P played Donnington on '87.They had t shirts that
    said "I f*cked like a beast at Donnington '87".Can you imagine wearing
    that in the US??
    
    
                                                Staynz

    I've got one of those somewhere :))))), It is a little too small for me
    now I think, but they were the best T-shirts there...not forgetting the
    Vom-Jovi, We came, We Saw, We Kicked your A$$ Donington 87 ....YUCK :)
    
    MArk

    It's not that I think he'll get some real time...I just think he or
    anyone else should be able to wear anything/anywhere/anytime without being
    harrassed.
     
           Fri<z
    

    I could easily see how Van Halen might be held liable according to the
    law.
    
    Surely you've seen seen contests where the rules include a statement
    like "void where prohibited"?  I've also seen similar warnings in
    fireworks stores (fireworks are illegal in a lot of places). etc. etc.
    
    I'm not certain of this, but perhaps there is some (reasonable) law
    that says that if you sell something that is not legal to use or posess
    in some areas, you are required to warn the customer?
    
    Understand that I don't agree that it SHOULD be illegal, nor
    necessarily that Van Halen should be held liable, but I can easily
    see the legal rationale behind this, even if I don't see the rationale
    behind the law itself.
    
    re: Suing the entertainer
    
    That sounds like something that is generally referred to as the
    "deepest pockets" ruling.
    
    I.E. you charge the damages award to the person/company most able to
    pay it.
    
    I heard that DEC was involved in a classic case of that.
    
    Supposedly, we rented some land to a dairy farmer.  Long story short: a
    cow got out of the yard through a broken section of fencing and onto
    the road, someone had an accident and got seriously injured.
    
    Even though the agreement with the farmer made him responsible 
    for adapting and maintaining the property for dairy farm use, DEC
    had to pay the damages.
    
    It was clear that if the damages were charged to the farmer, he would
    just declare bankruptcy and that would leave the injured party with no
    way to pay for needed medical care.
    
    	db

>    I have a question for those that have seen Eddie play "Eruption."
>    Does he do the 2-handed section on the B string or the G string?

I don't remember offhand, but he does a that section of "Eruption" during
the guitar soo from the 'Live Without A Net' video. Maybe you can borrow 
it from someone and check it out?

alan

    
    G string, dafs-initely!

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Wagagagagagaaaa...

    Right now Van Halen are selling themselves out to do commercials for
    Crystal Pepsi...
    
    gh

    Right_Now I'm about to Hurl*******

Try some crystal pepsi crazy_al.   That'll fix you up...

They gave that stuff away at first night in Boston.  Vile!!!

Timbo

    Before RAT gets this...

    I had a Crystal Pepsi awhile back.  Tasted like regular Pepsi to me. 
    What's so special about caffine-free Pepsi without the carmel color?
    
    gh

>> Tasted like regular Pepsi to me. 


Bingo, bleah!

	re: Greg


	Supposedly that colouring is really bad for ya....

    No caffine ? Who would want to drink unleaded Pepsi ?

    This Scares me..
    Some_Times I'll mix Rum with Coke or Pepsi.If I'm makin a Travlin jug,
    I pour about a third of the soda out of a 2_Liter Bottle.Many times
    I've gone back to that same spot...and you should see the STAIN on the
    Concrete that that Cola left..I mean.It stays there for years.I ain't
    lyin.
    
        Crazy_Wonder_What_It_Does_To_Yer_Stomach_Liner_Al

    
    Coke or Pepsi is a good way of cleaning up old coins. Just leave them
    in a glass of it overnight and whola, looks like they're fresh from the
    mint the next day.
    
    -tony

  >  Before RAT gets this...
    
    I've given up even trying!:(
                                Rat

    
    	RE: coke stains
    
    	also gets rust out of your kitchen sink.  Scary stuff!
    
    	tigg~~~~

>    I've given up even trying!:(
    
    That's too bad, very sad for you.
    
    gh

    Yea, I think so too..... but I'l get one again, you'll see! :))
                                                                   Rat

    I heard the first pre-release of the new live album today.  It was a
    cover of the Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again!" and was totally ROOLIN!

    z

Rolling Stone had a column on it, but I was too tired to read it
by the time I got home.

I would expect that VH would have the same problem as Led Zeppelin, in that
the guitar sounds thin live compared to the studio albums...

To those who have seent hem, how much does Sammy help out on guitar?

Tim

    
    
    Tim, are saying that you actually found an article related to MUSIC
    in Rolling Stone! WOW, someone must have pulled their advertising out
    and they could print a music related story!!8^)
    
                                                      mike
    

    re: Tim
    
    How much does Sammy play?  When I saw them on the Monsters of Rock tour
    a few years ago, I'd say he played on less then half the songs.  VH has
    never had a problem with the guitar sounding thin live.  Eddie ripped
    it up when I saw them in 1984.  His sound is fat to start with and I
    don't think they do much to it in the studio (as far as studio tricks)
    to thicken it up, it's just naturally like that.
    
    gh

I saw parts of Live without a Net and wasn't too impressed with the sound, 
but that may have been a bad or non-typical recording...

RS is so much fun.  I spend the first 5 minutes ripping out the subscription
cards, cd club, cigarette ads and perfume samples...  When I get done it's
half as thick...

They do have some good articles, though I read it for the Guess ads...

Tim

    
    
    Tim I KNOW you don't read it for the Guess ads, you're only looking
    at the hinnies you dog!!! 8^)))))))))))))))))))))
    
                                                        mike
    

Having heard Won't Get Fooled Again several times now, I can't help but
compare it to the original.  I like the beginning of VH's version because
it's heavier and moves a little faster, but the ending including the drum
solo can't hold a candle to the Who.

I guess there was only one Keith Moon.  That seems to be the most notable
difference but I also noticed that Sammy doesn't have that AAAaaaaaaAAAAAA!!
quality shriek of Daltry's either.

All in all I like the song and I'll get the album if there is more good
stuff on it, but since they will probably focus on the post DLR stuff, I
think that is going to hurt sales big time.

Tim

 >the ending including the drum
>>solo can't hold a candle to the Who.       
    
    AGREED!! 
    	Rat

 >the ending including the drum
>>solo can't hold a candle to the Who.       

Thirded...

but overall it's not a bad rendition...

-a

    I'd still buy it.  Too bad Scary isn't here anymore.

    Having heard the VH cover of Won't Get Fooled Again several times now,
    I can't help but say....
    
    IT SUCKS, *SUCKS*, ****SUCKS****!!!!!
    
    I've heard sloppy bar bands do better covers of that song.  It's
    totally lifeless and completely devoid of the energy of the original. 
    Absolutely horrible!
    
    Sammy sez at the start that it's dedicated to The Who, I guess they
    really *hated* The Who...
    
    gh

    You're one sick pup...

    I gotta agree with Greg, they must hate the Who just as much as I do!
    
    BIG BRRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!

I've also heard bar bands do a better job, but the beginning has kind of a
think, chunky feel to it...

Tim

>think, chunky feel to it...
 ^^^^^
    
    WENDYOinsert?

    
    I think it sucks and I never even heard the original.
    
    

    
    
     Well, I heard it for the first time this morning. I didn't think
    it was THAT bad. Parts of it I didn't care for and parts I really
    liked. Ed's got a great sound, compared to the Pete Townsends orig-
    inal recording. I liked the song fron day one with The Who, and I
    still like it now. I give it a thumbs up!
    
                                                mike (still a Who fan)
    

    t's O.K to me

re: Greg

> Having heard the VH cover of Won't Get Fooled Again several times now,
> I can't help but say....
> IT SUCKS, *SUCKS*, ****SUCKS****!!!!!

And for a minute there, I thought *I* was the only one who felt that way.
People in here were saying "it's not too bad".... then I heard it, and
I thought it was friggin' AWFUL!

alan

    It takes less than 1 hand to count the number of Who songs I like. 
    They should be grateful to VH for making at least 1 listenable.
    

    
    i wont publicly agree with mike.  it goes against everything i believe
    in...
    
    :')
    

    Gee thanks Rob!

    I like the song, and I liked The Who, but I still can't stand the VH
    cover of it.  I have heard a lot of (bar) bands cover it that I liked. 
    The VH version just doesn't seem to have any energy.
    
    Gh

    Tommy and Quadrophenia are roolin albums!
    

Oh please.  It's not great, but it's not THAT bad.

Some of y'all hate VH and it wouldn't matter if they did the
best damn songs in the world.

Eddie gets to display his talents with the song, that's why I
like it so much. So what you want about VH.  But Eddie is EXTREMLY
talented IMO.  I don't dig his style all the time, but still.

-a

    I don't hate everything VH does, in fact, I actually  liked a lot of
    the songs on the most recent album.  It's clearly the best they've done
    since DLR left.
    
    gh

    
    Agree................but Eddie still legend himself.
    
    
    
    KL

Mike, we're not allowed to agree in public. Please stop.

-andy

:^)

    Sorry Andy, but I didn't receive the check yet.

    "...but when we get behind closed doors, 
    and you let your hair hang down"
    

Mike, you cut your hair!?!?!

That's it, were done!

    Wahey! I`ve seen loads of posters stuck up with "Van Halen are COMING"
    and a set of tour dates and a wopping great picture of a superb pair
    of baps.
    
    pwoooar,i bet you don`t get many of them to the pound etc.
    

    pair of baps ? wtf are baps ?

    
    A truly PATHETIC cover.  I am amazed by how unbelievably boring this
    band has become.  This song is THE rock and roll anthem and they turned it
    into something slightly less interesting than a commercial jingle - a
    boring, plodding, lazy swing through chunk guitar, egotistical singing,
    and far too much cymbal.  But they are matching their current studio
    production standards with the live cuts - totally compressed.  Does
    Eddie even know what he used to sound like?
    
    - Sean

    Next thing we'll know, we'll start hearing it behind commercials...
    
    gh

    
    True or false.......
    
    Is there approx 45 mins of solos on this live cd ?
    
    Del.

    I'd say false, unless it's a double CD set.  The most you could get out
    of a single CD with 16 tunes are 20 minutes of solos.  That's with 1
    minute solos in each song plus a 4 minute spotlight performance.
    
    Mike

    I bet they *each* take a solo...lame.
    
    gh

re .517
    
>    pair of baps ? wtf are baps ?
    
     Geordie-speak for breasts. Check out "Sid the Sexist" in Viz as he's 
     probably the inspiration for this. 
    
    barry.
    
    
    
     

    Yes. Baps are bristols.
    
    ...and wot a poster. Check it out.
    

    ..........got my tickets booked for the 25th of april,me and big Dave
    at Sheffield.Chuffed to bits,I am!!!  8)
    
    
                                                 staynz

    Hey Staynz!! What about our deal buddy ??? 

    Well, I forced myself to listen to that awful cover of "Won't Get
    Fooled Again" and found some of the reasons I didn't like it.
    
    First off, I'm asking myself "Where are the drums?", "Where's the
    bass?", "Why can't Ed play in TIME anymore??".  Basically, all you can
    hear well is the vocals (which actually sound fairly decent) and the
    guitar (which honestly doesn't sound all that hot most of the time). 
    It sounds to me like Ed's out of time throughout about the first half
    or so of the song (he does seem to finally get it together after
    awhile).
    
    It would probably sound a *lot* better if the drums were actually
    audible and the bass was up there filling in when Ed's going off on his
    little fills and stuff.  Whoever mixed this should have been shot dead
    on the spot.
    
    I think Ed goes off on his little guitar masterbation trips way too
    much.  Seriously, if anyone less popular then VH did a version of this
    song that sounded like this, they'd get booed off the stage...it just
    brings visions of a marginal local band with a big ego guitar player
    who think's he's the hottest thing since sliced bread and can do no
    wrong.
    
    gh
            

    Oh my Gawd..I agree with Greg! I'm feeling ill!! :)
                                                       Rat

    I'm really not that difficult to agree with...
    
    gh

    ....heheh :))
                 

    
    	RE: Nat
    
    	I like the ST personal_name, but I like "Gotta Kill Captain
    	Stupid" even better.  8^)
    
    	RE: Greg
    
    	If there's one thing missing in almost all Van Halen stuff,
    	it's bass.  Even on the first album, you've gotta crank the
    	bass up to get it to come through.
    
    							GTI

    Re some
    
    Tony........eh,aw sh&t......I forgot,which is bloody typical of me.I've
    got the memory span of about 10 minutes and if I'm not constantly
    reminded,I forget.................sorry,dude!!
    
    I'm actually going to Birmingham not 
    Sheffield and it will be a "straight down,straight back up" trip as
    the company who is selling the tickets will be running transport too!
    
    
                                    staynz

    So'okay bud don't worry. I wuz just gonna buy you a few beers thats
    all, your loss 8^)
    
    -tony

    Are you going to wembley or the Brimingham gig?
    
     

    Dunno yet, both probably.
    

    
    Picked up a 4 track import cd entitled "Van Halen Live: Jump".
    The 4 tracks are Jump and Love Walks In from the live album
    and Mine All Mine and Eagles Fly which are not on the live album. 
    Mine All Mine is without doubt the standout track of the 4 and as
    it looks as if it ain't on the live album I'd recommend you go get
    this. Eagles Fly is a live acoustic version of the track from the
    album "Never Say Goodbye".
    
    Del.  

Van Halen is scheduled for Great Woods this summer with Vince Neil opening.
The date was in July but I forgot it...

Tim

    I'm going to see Van Halen on the 25th of April...............!! 8)
    
    
                                               staynz
    
    ps tony,are you going to Birmingham?Last time we spoke,you hadn't
    bought your ticket!!
    
    

    Nope, not able to make it (sob sob).

    no luck.....will you be at the Wembley gig?
    
    
    
    
                                              staynz

    Might be, just started a new shift rota (4 on, 4 off, 12 hours a shot)
    so I'll have to see what I'm on.
    
    -Tony

Anyone get tickets for Great Woods over the weekend?

Tim

    re: tim..............i did...................;')............../k

I'm WAY back in section 4 against the right wall.  Pretty bad seats, but
they went so fast I guess I'm glad to have anything.  If I understand right
the show sold out in about 15 minutes.

Tim

    ...naw...that's b.s....the tix went on sale around 10 on saturday and i
    finally remembered that they went  on sale at noon and called and got 
    pavillion seats...she did say it was almost sold out but it wasn't when 
    i called................dont' know where the seats are yet...it'll be a
    surprise................;'))............................./k

    
    	Help me out on this one:
    
    	'Who is the current singer of Van Halen?'
    	
    	I can win some sweets...or loose them.
    	thanks
    
    	...SJ...

    >	'Who is the current singer of Van Halen?'
    
    
    Sammy Hagar

    
    	I knew that but it had to be proofed, thanks!
    
    	Btw: My opponent said it was Ozzy Osbourne 
    
    
    	HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....
    
    	...SJ...
    

>      -< hurl on that one... >-
    
    No kidding there, the stomach turns at the thought.  Not that Sammy's
    all that great with VH, but at least their styles are somewhat similar!
    
    gh

    	
    	I won some sweets for coffee. Bigger as biscuits with fruits or
    	chocolate. I took one with chocolate and nuts, yamyamyam...
    
    	Well, she was at the VH concert on sunday and someone had told her
    	that OO was the singer (maybe she mixed that up herself?). Anyhow
    	she doesn't know much about that circus obviously. Not that I
    	really do but there are some BASIC rules. Can still laugh...
    
    	...SJ...
    
    

    on sunday I saw Van Halen,I've waited for this for 9 years.So when the
    chance came around to see them,I took it.I'm glad I did,what an
    excellant show!!!
      Just one drawback,Sammy had the cold(flu)so whoever had to clean the
    stage had their work cut out for 'em,about every 2 minutes he was
    spitting,sneezing and firing boogers all over the place.Yuk!
    Much admiration must go to Michael Anthony,what a bloody good bass
    player he is,I have never realised it before but I was very impressed.
    
    
                                                 staynz

    
    	Last week I bought their new live-album, right here right now.
    	Great stuff !!!
    	On their gigs do they play the same set?
    
    	...SJ...

    
    I'm not sure as I' haven't seen the album and they also said,in a
    recent interview,that they were going to change the set slightly for
    the European fans!!
    
                                              staynz

    
    	If I don't forget I'll post the listing of the songs on the
    	album in here tomorrow...
    
    	...SJ...

>    Much admiration must go to Michael Anthony,what a bloody good bass
>    player he is,I have never realised it before but I was very impressed.
    
    He's pretty good as a bass player, but his lame solos have GOT to go! 
    I think where Mike Anthony really shines in VH is his background
    vocals.  He's got a great voice!  All those high harmonies that you
    hear are him.
    
    gh

    He actually took over from singing for a while as Sammy's voice went
    and he did not too bad!!
    
    
    
    
    
                                               staynz

    I agree with you, Greg. Mike's fine vocals are a big part of
    VH's sound.

    	Van Halen LIVE - right here, right now
    
    	DISC 1:				DISC 2:
    
    	1  Poundcake			1  Right Now
    	2  Judgement Day		2  One Way To Rock
    	3  When It's Love		3  Why Can't This Be Love
    	4  Spanked			4  Give To Live
    	5  Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love	5  Finish What You Started
    	6  In 'N' Out			6  Best Of Both Worlds
    	7  Dreams			7  316
    	8  Man On A Mission		8  You Really Got Me/Cabo Wabo
    	9  Ultra Bass			9  Won't Get Fooled Again
    	10 Pleasure Dome/Drum Solo	10 Jump
    	11 Panama			11 Top Of The World
    	12 Love Walks In
    	13 Runaround
    

  the songs I can remember are marked by a @
  the songs definately not played are marked by !

    	Van Halen LIVE - right here, right now
    
    	DISC 1:				DISC 2:
                                                   
    	1  Poundcake		      @	1  Right Now                @
    	2  Judgement Day	      @	2  One Way To Rock          @
    	3  When It's Love	      @	3  Why Can't This Be Love   @
    	4  Spanked		???	4  Give To Live             !
    	5  Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love   @	5  Finish What You Started  @
    	6  In 'N' Out		???    	6  Best Of Both Worlds      ???
    	7  Dreams		      !	7  316                      @
    	8  Man On A Mission     ???	8  You Really Got Me/Cabo Wabo @
    	9  Ultra Bass		      @	9  Won't Get Fooled Again   !
    	10 Pleasure Dome/Drum Solo    @	10 Jump                     @ 
    	11 Panama		      @	11 Top Of The World         @
    	12 Love Walks In              @
    	13 Runaround                  @
    

  during "you really got me"they did a medoly of older songs from other bands
they huddled together on stage and started jamming to "all right now" and
 "rock and roll".They never played Cabo Wabo but Sammy played song that he
wrote about a month ago on an acoustic guitar on his own.It was called "Amnesty
for my heart" or something like that!

    
    	Seems to me like a 'best of VH' tour.
    
    	...SJ...

    I borrowed the live CD-set from a co-worker and I thought it was great.

    That Cabo Wabo song makes me wanna puke.  Too bad they don't play more
    of the old stuff, doesn't look like there's hardly any left these days. 
    Oh well, times change...
    
    gh

    ..hot for teacher...is was and ever shall be my fave song/video from
    v.h........................great funny tune..........;")........./k

    
    
    I have never come across a teacher that I could ever be hot for. (well
    at least not an academic one)
    
    Although once there was a substitute in 7th grade that was very hot.
    
    

    Mmmmmm.... Miss Pond... fifth grade.
    
    Hummina.

    >> Michael, come to the board. "I don't think so Miss Pond
    
    And I wonder why....8^)  Hahahahahahahaha......
    
    :), danielle

    Wagagagaga....  Hey d!  You're too young to know such things...
    You gotta wait 6 months.  :-)
    ;-)
    
    Oh, and ummm, Miss Austin in the second grade.
    
    BOing!
    
    "Schwing! YoDi YoDi YoDi!!!"
    

    
    This here live cd.....does the crowd fade out after each track?
    
    It does on a 4 track import I've got and that really pisses
    me off.
    
    Del.

    
    	>>...does the crowd fade out after each track?
    
        NO!!! As far as I remember not at one track (except the last on
    	disc1 and the last on disc2 ;-)), although it wasn't recorded in 
    	one piece.
    
    	And you are right, it _sucks_ when they do it, like at the AC/DC live
    	CDs, who ever is responsible for it should be punished...
    	It kills half of the listening.
     
    	...SJ...
    	

    So Tim....??....how'd you like the show friday night??...:")....the
    parking lot was fun too!......................................./k

The show was excellent!  Except of course for the people around us.  There
were 3 guys who seemed to be having the time of their lives.  One of them
was in a Kiss tribute band and is a dead ringer for Paul Stanley.  So I
ask him if that is who plays in his band.  Nope, he's "Peter Criss".  We
talked about the good old days when I was a teenager and saw the Destroyer
tour...  He seemed like a nice enough guy,  then:

Halfway through the show he slaps the beer out of the hand of the guy next
to him then goes into a Kung Fu pose.  Why me?

I talked with his friends for a while and the security eventually pulled
KissMan.  The friends stayed for one more song and left to look for him.
(Personally, I would have left him behind)

One of the guys were really into Motley Cru�...  He was totally into Vince
Neil.  What was MC thinking when they fired him?  Steve Stevens can play
anything Mick Mars can (only better)...  I thought Vince's set was one
of the best warmup acts I'd ever seen.  He's definitely making the best of
a bad situation.

It was nice that the changeover from Vince to Van Halen took about 25
minutes.  I'd kind of gotten used to hour and a half delays from GnR...

The sound for VH was very good where we were.  We were on the far right
aisle in Row U.  Just barely seated I guess...  I assume that Alex Van
Halen did drums, but I never saw him.  They had a great song selection.  I
was surprised they did Panama.


We had no problem leaving, but we left at about 10:30 as we suspected the
traffic might be a bit gruesome.  Spent a few minutes looking for our car
(Let's see, its either in section 4, 5 or 6) Fell in the ditch between the
lots, cut my hand...  I'm not a very good designated driver, sorry...

I was surprised to find that the volume wasn't loud at all.  I'm not sure
if that is because of Great Woods or where we sat.

Heard both shows were VERY good, kinda bummed I missed it.

My friend (the one that got to do the food drive benefit/jazzercise thing)
was in my office this morning. I think she had about a 15 minute
run-on non breathing sentence, before she took a breath and started again.:^)

She didn't get to meet the band unfortunatly (they were only going to
give 1 backstage pass for 8 women, and the women didn't want to fight
about it so none went).  But apparently the did some other neat things, had
great seats (right next to the stage or some such) etc. etc.

Anyhow she confirms the show/set was quite good.

-a

    Glad to hear VN's new band is cool and that they rocked the place.
    i wish them all the best...

    Friday's show was great....great sound, great song
    selection....out of all the solo's i like michael anthony's the best ..
    including him setting his bass on fire......;").....and doing his
    little caveman tap dance around it.....yes tim, alex was on
    drums....and can easily join gloria Estefan's next tour if his drum
    solo is any indication of the direction his style is
    taking..;')....eddie was eddie.....i enjoyed the solo's for the songs
    that i knew but as usual....just playing on and on bores me
    silly..although i can appreciate the lightening speed and agility it
    requires etc....it still makes me yawn after about 15 minutes or
    so...but all in all, they kept that stuff down to a dull roar...i could
    have done without Sammy's couple 'o' tunes....just cuz they were boring
    and ballady...not because he didn't do them well....i actually like van
    halen with sammy as a front man....DLR chose to buzz off on his own and
    i think they made a great choice in Sammy...he sings well, and is an 
    excellent front man for the band....anyway, the show was great...they
    definitley had the sound down....GNR should find out who their sound
    guy is......;").........and Tim...consider Miracle Ear....i was
    shrieking your name over and over as i stood 3 feet behind you and you
    didn't hear me..............;').........................../k

>>>        -< ...what are the odds, out of 15K people i run tinto tim.... >-

Sheryl saw someone from work who was supposed to be on the lawn.  She snuck
in to our section 20 rows in front of us and Sheryl saw her...

Miracle hair?  what? did you say something?
By the way, did I say anything intelligible when I talked to you?

    re: 'by the way, did i say anything intelligible??....
    
    ............no..........................;')................../k

>By the way, did I say anything intelligible when I talked to you?
    
    How would she differentiate that from normal?

    hey greg....if we want any shite from you we'll squeeze your head, ok??
    .....;')))).................................................../k

    ....;)))....greg...who loves ya baby....;)).........../k

Ha ha 

    Hey tough comeback Karen, I feel like...soooo low!

Karen, Sultan of Slam...

-a

    Best comeback of the year goes to.... Karen

    ..my my my...aren't WE defensive!!...i put that in cuz you hadn't been 
    around in awhile so i thought i'd do it for you...get it??...just like we 
    do occasionally for friz, 'pril et al........we all knew you were lurking 
    in the wings...............;")............/k

>           -< ...back from your 'personality' lessons i see....;')) >-
    
    I have to recommend /k too.  She's a helluva teacher!

    ....hmmmm and it only took you a mere 5+ hours to come up with that
    pitiful comeback......you're rusty man......very rusty........;'))..../k

    some of us are busy trying to keep DEC in the black.

    well then you better get back to it, i'm sure the place hinges on your 
    every deed.........................................../k

    > some of us are busy trying to keep DEC in the black.
    
    Well in that case, you're doing a lousy job of it!  ;-)

Karen,

	You're merciless. :^)

	Did someone kick your dog when you were a kid?

-a

    It's about time you admitted it too, Flattery.  
    
    BTW - DEC's in the black now.
    
    Mike (FACT: who's group has been the #1 revenue generator on the West 
                coast for the last year)

    ...well mike..thanks for straightening us all out on who and where the 
    REALLY important people in the company are..............;')......../k

mikie pal...loosen up buddy. They might take you serious. :^)

-a

    re: -2....ah...there's that familar whine that we've missed so much....
                                        ....;')).....................

    ....from the "my mom is coming over to scratch your moms eyes out"
    school of mentality...

    Andy, you know I'm rarely serious.  It's the "no personality" and 
    "zero mentality" class that needs to learn a few things about what 
    they're doing vs. their perceptions.

    ...and if you want to continue this little game of 'beck and call' feel
    free.  Just make sure you realize that the comments you make aren't
    cast in stone and will be challenged.  It all could've been avoided, if
    not for the title of .586.

    my bum's really itchy.....!
    
    
                                                  ian

>    BTW - DEC's in the black now.
    
    Mike,
    
    Do you know something that we don't?
    
    What I've heard is that DEC has said that this MIGHT be our first
    black quarter in awhile.  Nothing definite.
    
    	db

    ..let me tell ya mike...i wouldnt' have written that subject
    line if it wasn't so apparent that you desperately need some sort of
    "adjustment"...if you could look back for a minute and re-read 
    all the statements leading up to this point, you might notice that when
    i invoked the apparently 'verboten' line of "cuz m. heisers' not
    around" ...that brought you out of the shadows....it was said in the same 
    spirit as we say things like 'like is for friz or 'pril" (and i 
    said this in an earlier note)...i did that because I had used the pretty 
    much patented phrase of m. heiser saying  'hope this helps'...which, 
    whether you know it or not, is known far and wide as something you used 
    to write often...it was not said in a mean spirited way at all...however, 
    you CHOSE to see it that way and your next statement had a real crappy 
    attitude of 'sorry to disappoint you but i'm still around'......it's that 
    attitude that led me to write the subject line that so obviously offends 
    you......as far as i'm concerned i'm not persuing this any further either 
    cuz it's stupid and because i cleared up any possible misunderstanding
    in an earlier note and your just choosing to ignore that..... but i did 
    want to say that in the future, before you cast yourself in the role of 
    the injured party and assigning blame to others,  you should look at your 
    very  active part in creating the situation.
        ........./k

	RE- /k -1

	Yeah, that was my favorite part of the VH show toooooooooo! %^)

	/Cap'n Quad

	

    re: -1./.....;')).........point taken.........;"))........./k

    I luv this conference.

    What's this about"The_Now_Famous_Beetle_That_Climbed_Into_Eddie's_Ear"?
    
    
         Crazy_BeetleJuice_BeetleJuice_BeetleJuice_Al

    ...AlCRaz...which part do you want more info on...the beetle or the earwax?
    .........................;').............................../k

THey had a funny segment on MTV news featuring a doctor from the Boston area.

Apparently Eddie had said that playing guitar was hardly brain surgery and this
doctor, who plays guitar, offered to teach Eddie some neurosurgery for a guitar
lesson.

They showed them backstage Friday night.  The doctor brought operating suits for
Eddie and Wolfgang.  Eddie then proceded to "flunk" the exam from the book the
doctor gave him.

Eddie laughed at the end and said:  Maybe they aren't so different after all.  I
play a few wrong notes and then I go somewhere else.  He (the doctor) makes a
mistake and gets another patient...

Tim

    Does anyone have all the words from the Van Halen "Right Now" video
    
    ex. Right now Alex is contemplating a solo..." ect. ?

    
    New album out in January called "Balance". Heard on the radio today
    that Van Halen will be supporting Bon Jovi here in the UK next year.
    I don't know if it's a series of gigs or a one off. 
    
    It's a surprising double bill.
    
    Derzo.

    
    
    	Van Halen AND Bon Jovi??!!  Why can't we get gigs like
    	that here in the US?!
    
    	ppfth!
    

    >	Van Halen AND Bon Jovi??!!  Why can't we get gigs like
    >	that here in the US?!
    
    Because there IS a God!!!

    I'd show up late to make sure I only caught Eddie's show.

    
    
    	Gack....I hate it when I leave myself wide open
    	for stuff like this.  =)
    

    but Judy, you're so good at it!

    
    
    	yeah, yeah.....pffftth!
    

>                               -< double aack! >-
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    >	Van Halen AND Bon Jovi??!!  Why can't we get gigs like
>    >	that here in the US?!
>    
>    Because there IS a God!!!
    
    C'mon now Buck, there can be some big advantages to having groups like
    this tour together...
    
    
    
    
    You only have to remember to avoid ONE show!
    
    Greg

    You rise a damn good point there, Mr. House!