Conference napalm::guitar

    <What do you think of these old-style effects boxes commanding big
    <bucks nowadays? I tell ya - hang onto *anything* MXR made, or anything
    <Electroharmonix made. People _want_ this stuff - for some reason.

Personally, I think it's hysterical...  of course, there's
never been anything quite like that old Bad Stone Phase
Shifter II I had in another life!

I've got an MXR Flanger still kicking around, and I should
have brought it with me.  Could have probably come out-a-there
50 bucks richer...    and ya know, I could have sworn I saw
someone give a dealer what had to have been at least 100
bucks for a beat up cry-baby wah pedal..  
	"Stop it,, you're killing me.."   
I was speachless....

but, yea, I don't get it either...

/rp

    In some cases, I think people want these for recording purposes.  Old
    effects are typically noisy and not very versatile, but often they have
    one interesting sound in them that you can't get anywhere else.  And
    it's also often a sound that someone used on a famous recording.  As
    an example: one of the EH flange/chorus pedals (I think it was the
    Electric Mistress) was used by Alex Lifeson on Rush's "Spirit of
    Radio".  As a general purpose chorus the EH wasn't that great, but
    it was the only thing that would really nail that sound.
    
    Also, some people probably want em for nostalgia reasons; they either
    had one or wanted one when they were a kid.
    
    Finally, if you spend all day looking at guitars with four-figure price
    tags, $100 for a Big Muff all of a sudden doesn't seem so bad.  It's a
    relatively painless way to get a little vintage action.
    
    /rick
    

IMHO it's a100% trend thing...

Everyone is going retro these days,,,  Effects are no exception.

I could be wrong, but it just feels like a fad to me...

/r

   Gee, and I have a Big Muff PI.  Maybe I should dust it off and get it
   working.  Orginal scratches!  And like every other one I've ever seen, it
   DOESN'T have the original screws!  Must be worth a fortune!

   -- Sam

   P.S.  Next, Rocktron (or someone) will come out with an effect which adds
   "vintage noise and hiss" to your signal...

    Yeah, I had a Small Stone phaser that I unloaded on some guy
    for $100 not too long ago...  Also had a line driver that I "threw
    in on the deal", and I thought the guy was gonna kiss me...
    
    Sheesh.

    I bought an MXR *rack-mount* flanger/doubler a few years ago at a flea
    market for $10. It worked quite well and wasn't very noisy but it
    took 2 full rack spaces and wasn't particularly useful to me. I sold
    it to a friend for $30. About a year later, he asked if I wanted to
    buy it back as he was liquidating. I bought it back and tried to sell
    it at the RI show. No takers. I put it in the Want-ads. The very first 
    day it appeared in the Want ads a guy called me at 7:00 in the morning. 
    I couldn't figure out how he had seen the ad since the want-ads doesn't 
    hit the news stand until later in the day. He just had to have the MXR. 
    He drove quite a distance to get it and paid $60 for it.  During the 2-3 
    weeks that followed I got calls from at least a  dozen people asking 
    about the MXR. Everyone was bummed out that they missed it. One guy
    didn't seem willing to accept the fact that it was gone. He asked for
    the name of the guy that bought it. I didn't know the guys name but
    even if I did I thought is was a little bizarre!!
    
    Guys, let me know when my Morley Pro-panner pedal becomes "vintage".
    It is close to 20 years old now and in mint condition. I'll let it
    go for $250   ;^{)
    
    Mark

   A Small Tone (:-)) for $100?!?!?  I have one of those, too!  Hey, maybe
   if I sell of some of this junk (er, excuse me, "vintage effects") I might
   have the cash for that Alvarez without selling any axes!  :-)

   -- Sam

    One thing that may put the hit on this market is the availability of
    good quality re-issues.  GP reviewed the reissue of the ADA Flanger and
    seem to think it's preferable to the original.  Ibanez's TS9 re-issue
    seems to satisfy all but the most die-hard Tube Screamer fans.  All the
    old EH stuff is eventually being redone by Sovtek (headed by Mike
    Matthews, who did em in the first place).
    
    Cash in while you can.
    
    /rick
    

bleaahh,,,

gimme a chanell switching tube amp and a cable that works!  

Anyone interested in a VINTAGE (read used...) MXR flanger ????

(c'mon boys,... get it while it lasts,, VINTAGE flanging at
a premium cost!)

    Gimme a rack mounted all-tube with with a MIDI front end, tons
    of lights and smouldering sound...
    
    :-)
    
    For vintage, I'll go with a box or Neve EQ's anna couple of API lunch
    boxes...  Maybe a couple of long-bodies U87's...

    
    I think the whole retro thing is just another marketing gimmick. 
    The mindset of being old, it must be better ... puzzles me. I had 
    lots of pedals when I was younger, and a lot of them were pretty 
    useless.  I think the Mutron III was a perfect example. It was cool
    if you could get it set just right, but that was a near impossibility.
    The big difference with all the reissue stuff is the jump in price (!).
    
    The designs already exist, and I'm not convinced that the price of
    the necessary parts is much higher; and in many cases, they don't
    even have that many components.  They just know that folks will dish
    out the bucks for these things.  The new TS9 pedals I've seen
    advertised for $109 in mail order catalogs.  Beats the hell out of
    me why people think these are so great, but then whatever floats your
    boat.   
    
      Lv
    

    I gotta agree with Larry about the TS-9 thing...
    
    I think I've owned THREE of them now...  
    
    First box:  "Cool color"
    - "Sold it"
    Second box: "Hmm - everyone loves these, maybe I missed something"
    - "Sold it" (I didn't miss anything)
    Third box:  "Third times a charm??  Besides, it was CHEAP"
    - "Sold it" (Still didn't miss anything)
    
    Oh, and the EH stuff was HORRIBLE!  
    
    jc (With a couple Boss boxes for my practice rig, and rack for the live
    thing)
    

    
    	Here's some samples out of "Vintage Guitar" mag -
    
    	- 60's Sho Bud volume pedal, $150
    	- MXR dyna comp, $95
    	- Fender black face reverb tank, $650
    	- DeArmond volume pedal, $100
    	- MXR phase 100, $125
    	- Maestro phaser, $125
    	- EH soul preacher, $95
    	- EH small stone, $100
    	- Ibanez Phase Tone "rare", $175
    	- Mutron B-Phase pedal, $350
    	- Dunlop hendrix Fuzz/wah, $225
    	- VOX wah, $159
    	- Ibanez auto filter, $199
    	- MXR distortion II, $149
    	- Ibanez TS-9, $195
    	- DOD analog delay, $150
    	- EH hogs foot, $100
    	- Morley pro panner, $129
    	- MXR envelope filter, $149
    	- MXR 10 band eq, $129, six $99
    	- Mutron III, $499
    	- EH clone theory, $250
    	- Dallas Arbiter '67 fuzz face, $350
    
    	So, yes, one probably could afford that new Alverez - just by
    cleaning out the 'ol cord box!
    
    	Joe

    The Morley Pro-panner is on Joe's list for $129. That's more than
    I paid for it. Hmmmmmmmm! 
    
    I've been thinking of having another sale. I hate to part with any
    gear, but the money sure could come in handy these dayz. We'll see.
    
    Mark

   Holy sh&t!  I can't believe some of those prices.

   Unfortunately, what I thought were MXR boxes of mine turned out to be
   Boss/DOD.  Probably worth something though, and all of my effects now come
   out of a rack (or a synth).

   Fortunately, I *do* have:  An MXR Envelope Filter ($125? on the list, and
   it was "thrown in" with a bass speaker I bought), a Big Muff Pi, and an EH
   "Muff Fuzz Crying Tone" pedal (fuzz/wah/volume).  Amazing the stuff one
   collects after twenty years at this gig...

   Anybody want to make some offers before I head off to the pawn shop with
   this stuff?  :-)

   -- Sam

I've got the EH BassBalls stomp box (there's no way to put that in
a sentence without inviting abuse.)  

I've had it for years and just started using it again.  I don't use 
it on every tune, but when I use my thumb it sounds cool.  I haven't 
decided whether to use the distortion switch or not, that sound is pretty
nasty.

Somehow my mouth starts moving when I play through it as if I have a
talk box.  I'm not sure this is a good thing.

Peter

    I've got a BassBalls too.  It came in handy at the Earth Movers
    gig, where I used it to sort of imitate the clavinet part in
    "Superstition".
    

    Bassballs been bady bady goood tooo me too!
    
    Bruce

    Damn, I'm wishing I didn't give my ACE Fuzztone away.
    I wonder what that thing would be worth...
    
    Larry

    Hey at  the risk of being laughed at, does anyone know where i can find
    an old electro-harmonix box called a 'frequency analyser'? I've been
    looking for years. I played in a band back in the seventies with a guy
    that had one and i loved it. Dont know if time would lessen my affectni
    for one if i could hear it now. It probably would be noisy but you
    could overcome that. It was a really cool ring modulator sound that had
    3 knobs. I think Jimi had one cookin on one of the cuts of the Band of
    Gypsies album.
    
    	Anyway i'd be indebted if someone could point me at one or at a
    lead to one.
    
    					not too old to rock n roll,
    
    						Fred