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Conference napalm::guitar

Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

3001.0. "Tape recorders with half-speed" by WMOIS::POIRIER () Fri Nov 18 1994 06:14

    
    Gordon Poirier
    WMOIS::POIRIER
    DTN 264-3392
    
    
    
    Hope someone can point me in the right direction. My guitar instructor
    has this neat little (6"w, 2"t, 7"d) cassett player/recorder that will
    let you slow the speed down so you can pick out the lead and chord
    parts to songs. I forgot to ask details on it but he said he sent for
    it, mail order. There has to be someplace around here that carry's them
    or someone that has one and want's to sell it?
    
    Thanks,
    Gordie
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3001.1Marantz?GAVEL::DAGGFri Nov 18 1994 06:287
    I think those are made by Marantz, and they have
    built in speaker, half speed, and pitch adjust. 
    
    I'll bet Manny's in NYC will sell you one. 
    
    Dave
    
3001.2Whaaaaat doooooooes yellow mean?WMOIS::POIRIERFri Nov 18 1994 06:397
      
    
    I'll bet my J&R music world catalog, that I just trashed, had one in
    it.
    
    Thanks for quick responce Dave, let's see if anyone else has some good
    feedback for me.
3001.3BUSY::FISED::SLABOUNTYThailboat!!Fri Nov 18 1994 07:335
    
    	Ahhh, another "Taxi" fan!!
    
    							GTI
    
3001.4Sony tooMONTOR::HANNANBeyond description...Fri Nov 18 1994 08:039
	The Sony D5 and maybe the D6 also have pitch control. 

	I've used that Marantz, and it's a nice deck.  The only complaint
	I've heard from others regarding this deck is its durability - plastic
	case instead of metal.  Soundwise, it's a great deck.

	All of the above can be found in the J+R Music World catalog.

	/Ken
3001.5DREGS::BLICKSTEINdbFri Nov 18 1994 08:2712
    I think I've seen those advertised in the classified section of Guitar
    Player magazine fairly regularly.
    
    Be warned... the price is somewhat surprisingly high, although the ones
    in GP also seem to come with a foot pedal contraption that allows you
    to rewind it over a phrase without having to take your hands from the
    guitar.
    
    I use a sampler for that same purpose.  Today's samplers also have
    time compression and expansion which I'd imagine might allow you to
    slow it down without halving the pitch.   Don't know how well that
    stuff works but I've been meaning to look into it.
3001.6KDX200::COOPERRevolution calling!Fri Nov 18 1994 08:434
    As do most sound cards/wave-editing software packages...  Got a
    computer?
    
    jc
3001.7I make this pitch every few monthsNETCAD::HERTZBERGHistory: Love it or Leave it!Fri Nov 18 1994 10:1326
    The problem is that we have a very short memory for sounds.  Once a 
    riff is gone, we can't remember it and "play it back" inside our heads.  
    If we could, it would be alot easier to learn parts from records.
    
    The "slow down without changing pitch" products are one way to help
    around this problem.
    
    What I like to point out, though, is that a CD player with A->B repeat
    is amazingly good at helping learn riffs, too, if you're trying to
    learn the riff off a CD.
    
    You set a tight "loop" around the riff you're trying to learn, and the
    riff gets (how shall I put this) "painted on your mind" over and over
    again.  For you EEs, think of how an oscilloscope helps you see
    repetetive waveforms by drawing them over and over again.  The result
    is really amazing... in a very short time, you hear and remember the
    riff, which is really the key to learning it.
    
    I guess the moral is if you have a CD of what you're trying to learn
    and a CD player with A->B repeat, try that first.  Also, a musician who
    sometimes cops riffs off records should never buy a CD player that
    doesn't have A->B repeat.  Unfortunately, these are hard to find since
    it is a feature that only musicians really insist upon.
    
    							Marc
     
3001.8SLOW down! Jim....WMOIS::POIRIERFri Nov 18 1994 10:5613
    
    
    re: 3001.7
    
    Hay Marc! thanks for the great idea. Now I've got to wait 4 hours
    before I can rush home to see if I have that feature.
    
    
    All this for "Heart full of soul" by the Yardbyrds. Got the begining
    and lead stuff down, just can't figure out the chords?
    
    Actually this will be a great tool for this winter.
                                              
3001.9POWDML::BUCKLEYI [heart] Roller Coasters!Fri Nov 18 1994 10:581
    WHo are the Yardbirds?
3001.10TAMRC::LAURENTHal Laurent @ COPFri Nov 18 1994 11:177
re: .9

>    WHo are the Yardbirds?

You're kidding, right?

-Hal
3001.11BUSY::FISED::SLABOUNTYThailboat!!Fri Nov 18 1994 11:595
    
    	They're a dated, has-been band from the 60's.
    
    							GTI
    
3001.12whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat doooooooooooes....WMOIS::POIRIERFri Nov 18 1994 12:149
    
    
    Hay Hay Hay, GTI.  The name Yardbird may be a lillte dated, but, the
    group sure did develope some good talent thru the years. 
    
    I think GTI really loves the group, just trying to get a rise out of
    us. Right mr. GTI!
    
    Gordie 
3001.13BUSY::FISED::SLABOUNTYThailboat!!Fri Nov 18 1994 13:0010
    
    	OK, they had 1 song I think I might have liked.
    
    	But I don't recall any "good talent" coming from that band.
    	Just Jimmy Page, and "Jimmy Page" and "talent" shouldn't even
    	exist in the same language, never mind the same sentence.
    
    
    							GTI
    
3001.14let's bury it!WMOIS::POIRIERFri Nov 18 1994 13:098
    
     Thanks, I'll take that one good song and count my blessings. I'm a 
     Clapton follower so with that I'm sure Mr. Labounty will be all over
     me, soooooooo before we start down that RAT-hole think I'll thank
     everyone for their input and walk away.
    
    
     As Jim said "jezzzzzz I thought that was the test".
3001.15DREGS::BLICKSTEINdbFri Nov 18 1994 14:368
>    As do most sound cards/wave-editing software packages...  Got a
>    computer?
    
    Ummm... sound cards do what? 
    
    Sample?  Yes.
    
    Time expand/compress?  Not mine.  Does yours?
3001.16EZ2GET::STEWARTfight fire with marshmallowsSat Nov 19 1994 12:443
    
    Yes, and yours would, too, with the proper software...
    
3001.17DREGS::BLICKSTEINdbSat Nov 19 1994 13:227
    I have a Soundblaster-16 ASP.
    
    Is there software available for this.   Or does it even matter what
    card I have?  I would think that anything that can edit .WAV files
    would do?
    
    WHere do I get it?
3001.18 it's those Turtles, again! EZ2GET::STEWARTfight fire with marshmallowsSun Nov 20 1994 09:126
    
    
    You want Turtle Beach's Wave for Windows.  It should be available at
    any serious software store.
    
    
3001.19GOES11::HOUSEHow could I have been so blind?Mon Nov 21 1994 11:4610
    While the Marantz cassette deck with half speed and pitch adjust is
    fairly expensive, Ibanez makes something similar (less rugged) that
    retails for around $100.  I think it's called the Rock & Play and not
    only does it have the cassette deck with pitch adjust and half speed
    mode, it also has a nifty little headphone amp you can plug your
    electric guitar directly into which lets you play along with the tape.
    
    You can get 'em from mail order places like Musician's Friend.
    
    Greg
3001.20Sound adviceWMOIS::POIRIERMon Nov 21 1994 11:5111
    
    
    re: .19
    
    Hi Greg,
    
    Just got off the phone with Daddy's and the sales person told me about
    the Rock & Play, gonna take a ride down and look at it.
    
    Thanks again,
    Gordie
3001.21GOES11::HOUSEHow could I have been so blind?Mon Nov 21 1994 12:014
    Looked like a useful little box.  If I was workin on covers again, I'd
    almost certainly go get one for myself.
    
    Greg
3001.22Hey, what about Jeff Beck!!!!!!ICS::CONROYMon Nov 21 1994 13:105
    
    Chords for that Yardbirds song(from memory, could be wrong) : 
    Verse - Dm G Bb Dm
    Chorus - Dm Bb C....A G
    
3001.23Correction on chorus...ICS::CONROYTue Nov 22 1994 11:224
          Dm          F      G     Dm             Bb   C        Dm
    and i know if she had me back again, i would never make her sad
          A      G              Dm
    got a heart, heart, full of soul
3001.24Kevin's Harps sells themSLBLUZ::BROCKUSI'm the NRA!Wed Nov 23 1994 07:5018
Here's a baseline price for comparison purposes...

>    While the Marantz cassette deck with half speed and pitch adjust is
>    fairly expensive, Ibanez makes something similar (less rugged) that
>    retails for around $100.  I think it's called the Rock & Play and not
>    only does it have the cassette deck with pitch adjust and half speed
>    mode, it also has a nifty little headphone amp you can plug your
>    electric guitar directly into which lets you play along with the tape.
    
>    You can get 'em from mail order places like Musician's Friend.
 
Kevin's Harps (The harmonica guy), 1-800-27-harp-n (1-800-274-2776)
has the Ibanez Rock & Play for $129.95 in his Holiday catalog.

Cassette with pitch control, half-speed playback, practice amp with
inputs for 2 instruments and choice of effects on first instrument:
bypass/chorus/chorus+distortion

3001.25Christmas came earlyWMOIS::POIRIERMon Nov 28 1994 06:1818
    
    re: to all submitters
    
    
    Well I picked up the Rock and Play, paid 120 for it at Daddy's. I had
    my questions 'bout it on the way home, what the hell is this little
    box going to do for me. Well, I can't believe the sound, through the
    headset, supplied, I got, unbelievable. Started have some problems with
    it and thought here we go another return but just pluged in the AC
    adapter, supplied, and found it was just the battaries.  
    
    Thanks to all who supplied info on the Ibanez and those who shared the
    chords.
    
    Also to GTI for making things interesting.
    
    Gordie