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2837.1 | I'd go with the ash, myself... | GOES11::HOUSE | Did it. Done it. *WHAP* owwww! | Wed Oct 20 1993 17:52 | 12 |
| > Most of the guitar bodies I see in catalogs are either Solid Ash
> or Basswood, around $80-$90 bucks. I'm no wood expert-- what are
> the benefits/detractions of each type of wood. I'm not sure which
> one to choose....
Basswood is *really* light. If you want an instrument that's
featherweight, this'd be a good candidate. Ash is heavier, and usually
has a nicer grain, so it'll work better for natural finishs. You can
also find alder, which is sort of in between, heavier then basswood,
but still not a great lookin grain, and not as heavy as ash.
Greg
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2837.2 | | LEDS::BURATI | lay back and dream on a rainy day | Wed Oct 20 1993 18:46 | 22 |
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RE: ash vs. basswood
Ash is what most Telecasters and some Stratocasters have been made of
since the beginning of (electric guitar) time. Ash is heavier (denser)
than Alder or Basswood, has a pronounced and attractive grain (if that
matters). Because it's denser, it has better sustain characteristics and
this is most notable in the high end, meaning that ash body guitar are
generally brighter sounding (a Tele claim to fame).
But is harder to work on. Not that it's all that bad but there is an
extra step involved. Ash is an open grained wood, so after sanding you
must apply filler to fill the pours before sealing. Filler is a putty
that is usually tinted to match the color of the grain. (You can buy
filler and tints as well as everything else you might need from
Stewart-MacDonald.)
After filling, you lightly sand off the surface to remove extraneous
filler and then just do the rest of the finish the same as you would any
other wood.
--Ron
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2837.3 | | SAHQ::ROSENKRANZ | Go ask Alice.... | Thu Oct 21 1993 08:12 | 9 |
| While out tele-hunting, I've noticed that on older teles the "lighter"
ones are more highly prized, and seem to have more of the tele "twang".
It seems that the wood fender used (I think mostly ash), was available
in different densities, so the sound of these will vary significantly
depending on the weight.
Contrast these lighter guitars with today's American Standard Tele,
which is quite a bit heavier. As such it has less twang, and more
of the mid range tones.
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2837.4 | swamp ash | RICKS::CALCAGNI | Will work for '59 Les Paul | Thu Oct 21 1993 09:23 | 21 |
| Jim's right, the older Teles tend to be much lighter and have more
twang. The wood used here is swamp ash. Swamp ash has a high water
content before curing, and when it dries it leaves a more open, less
dense cell structure. The result, much lighter and more resonant.
The good news is you can still get swamp ash today; most places that
know what their doing here (like Warmouth) will let you specify
swamp ash if that's what you're looking for. See my recent reply
under the G&L note; I played a new ASAT with a swamp ash body
that was identical in weight and tone to a stock '53 Tele I was
comparing it with.
I'm pretty sure American Standard Teles are currently alder, but
generally a heavy grade. Alder was the most common wood on 60's
Fenders, and these tend to be much lighter and more resonant too.
I'd personally steer clear of basswood. This is the cheap way Japanese
manufacturers emulate the "vintage" feel of old Fenders. Basswood has
the light weight of old alder and swamp ash, but for some reason
doesn't deliver the same full tone. At least imo.
/rick
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2837.5 | They use that for redneck guitars... | GOES11::HOUSE | Did it. Done it. *WHAP* owwww! | Thu Oct 21 1993 11:37 | 4 |
| You used to be able to get those precut bodies from Stewart-MacDonalds
in swamp ash. I don't know if you still can or not.
Greg
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2837.6 | | MVDS02::FRASER | Mobius Loop; see other side | Thu Oct 21 1993 20:36 | 32 |
| Swamp ash is nice, alder is ok, ash is good for target
practice. Now, a nice piece of koa, hand rubbed oil finish...
If you want cosmetic/flash - talk to Warmoth with a few
hundred $$$ to spend, choose from: (prices very approx)
Alder $150+
Bass/Ash/Maple $180+
Swamp Ash light`$200+
Walnut/Mahog $220+
Koa $350+
Zebra $350+
Rose $500+
Fiddle maple $500+
Quilt maple $500+
Alternatively, they do a thinline Tele with the F-hole in
routed ash (spit) for around $300 with a fancy (flame/quilt)
top.
Stew-Mac is a lot cheaper but the pockets don't always take a
standard neck tightly enough to offer great sustain, but they
do offer some fully finished bodies, usually sunburst at a
reasonable price - somewhere around $150-200
Music Emporium do unfinished Tele bodies in ash and bass for
less than $100
Pays yer money, takes yer choice
Andy
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2837.7 | pointers | RANGER::WEBER | | Fri Oct 22 1993 07:23 | 1 |
| Notes 942, 2338 & 2715 seemed to have already covered this subject.
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