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2681.1 | Boogie-TriAxis and SGX2000 review | KDX200::COOPER | Hello me, it's me again! | Fri Feb 19 1993 19:20 | 27 |
| I'm having my own trappings of GTS.
I just got back from a music store and played extensively with the
Mesa/Boogie TriAxis again...(My second stop back...).
I played the boogie with a Heartfield "RG550 clone". The fackin' thing
SCREAMS (like no boogie *I've* ever heard!). It's got a couple
channels (read: preamps), MIDI presets, up/down arrows and param windows
on the front, Speaker emulator outs, preamp outs, stereo FX loop,
bass-mid-treb-pres. all the goodies (and all in real-time from my ART
controller board). All this thru a Simulclass 295 power amp -
SMOKIN'!
I was blown away by the sound - Crystal clean to thrash distortion,
with that growling TOOB dirt... and no NOISE! I was really impressed
with the ability to make the Marshall clean too (ya know... CRUNCHIE?).
My Mp1 doesn't do CRUNCH too well... I didn't hook up a processor, so
I dunno how the FX stage is, but maybe, just maybe, who needs it ??
And... I hate to admit that I was equally impressed with the ART
SGX2000 as well. A nice unit.
I have a deal pending on a ART SGX2000/Mp1 trade, I'm thinking about
it. the Boogie makes it hard to make a decision. :-(
jc
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2681.2 | | DABEAN::REAUME | Massively Parallel Brain Damage | Sat Feb 20 1993 09:40 | 7 |
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Myself? I'd probably boogie my troubles away!
Tough decision Coop!
-B{}{}M-
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2681.3 | | KDX200::COOPER | Hello me, it's me again! | Sat Feb 20 1993 11:01 | 12 |
| The tough part for me is, I can get a SGX2000 on an even trade for
my Mp1, which would free up my Quad for permanent studio duty...where
it probably should be to begin with... I can also use my HUSH in the
studio too, as the SGX has all that stuff (gating, verbs etc..) built
in...But... and it sounds good too.
That BOOGIE *really* smokes man... Basically an "Mp1+" without the
hi-gain noise... I think the thing that attracts me to the Boogie so
much is that the low notes are SO tight, where most other units turn to
mush... Gawd, I never thought I'd be attracted to a M/B!! The Boogie
is expensive too... Eye-yi-yi!
jc
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2681.4 | TriAxis questions | LUNER::KELLYJ | Genuine '59 Coupe DeVille | Mon Feb 22 1993 06:40 | 15 |
| Re Coop: The TriAxis got great reviews for its cleanliness in the high
gain modes in a fairly recent _Guitar Player_...sounds like your
experience backs that up. I guess they weren't pleased by the tone
of the gain-yer-brain modes...said the Marshall they were AB'ing
against had better crunch tone.
I know you didn't get into the FX loop much, but what can you tell me
about the controls affecting the loop, if anything? For example, can
you mix the FX bus with 'dry' TriAxis sound, or does everything go
through the loop, ala MkIV?
BTW, is there an onboard reverb unit? The power amp is part of the
deal, correct? How'd you like adjusting stuff with up/down keys in
place of twisting knobs?
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2681.5 | have to make an informed decision ;-) | FRETZ::HEISER | WHERE'S MY PROZAC!?!? | Mon Feb 22 1993 09:42 | 1 |
| Have you tried the Access and JMP-1 also?
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2681.6 | | UNYEM::REAUME | RACKster | Mon Feb 22 1993 09:49 | 6 |
|
I don't know if Coop's ever tried an ACCESS, but he has drooled all
over the literature!
--B{}{}M--
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2681.7 | | GOES11::G_HOUSE | It's NOT a TOOMAH! | Mon Feb 22 1993 10:07 | 8 |
| > I can also use my HUSH in the
> studio too, as the SGX has all that stuff (gating, verbs etc..) built
> in...But... and it sounds good too.
If that's the same gate they stuck in the SGE, it sucks. It's really
harsh in it's On/Off action and doesn't let you control that.
Greg
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2681.8 | | HEDRON::DAVEB | just 'cuz you own the land, there's no unique hand floods the dam | Mon Feb 22 1993 13:08 | 3 |
| Coop I'd try an SGX before you get too wound, I think they sound like crap.
dbii
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2681.9 | | KDX200::COOPER | Hello me, it's me again! | Mon Feb 22 1993 14:51 | 8 |
| Okay, I jammed with a guy last night who had a Marshall JMP-1 and I got
to diddle with it quite a bit...he used it in conjunction with a Quad and
Boogie Simul-class 295. It kicked ass too, but I think the Boogie was a
little "warmer" - the Marshall was pretty "harsh". but the Marshall was
quiet, and had good tones, and an excellent stereo FX loop with variable
gains. Cool!
jc (Who'll probably keep his Mp1 :-)
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2681.10 | | GOES11::G_HOUSE | It's NOT a TOOMAH! | Mon Feb 22 1993 15:08 | 3 |
| Did it sound like a "real" Marshall?
gh
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2681.11 | My Mp1 based rig was hangin' in there...Perhaps Will will comment?? | KDX200::COOPER | Hello me, it's me again! | Mon Feb 22 1993 18:29 | 9 |
| Dangerous question to ask me dood...
:-)
I'll be nice - Yeah, except it was a lot more "bright" and had gobs
of buzz. :-0 I'd have to say it was typically "Rack" sounding, which
means you marshall die-hards might not like it. How about "hot rodded"
sounding?
jc
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2681.12 | Repost of a question/answer I got on USENET | KDX200::COOPER | Let The Light Surround You!! | Thu Mar 18 1993 11:51 | 58 |
| Article 13610 of alt.guitar:
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From: [email protected] (Daniel Poirier)
Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: Re: BOOGIE TRIAxis recording outputs...
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 16 Mar 93 18:27:24 GMT
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In article <[email protected]> [email protected] () writes:
>
>Anyone have any experience with Boogie TriAxis
>recording compensated (speaker emualtor) outputs?? I wonder
>how they sound!!
>
>Thanks!!
>
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> Jeff Cooper - [email protected]
> Digital Equipment Corporation - Colorado Springs, Colorado
>
> Thats *DOCTOR* KDX200"
> To YOU!!
>
>President - DIGITAL Equipment Corp. Trail Riders Assn. (DECtrail)
>Member - Rocky Mountain Enduro Circuit - AMA - MIDI Rack Puke
>
> No one cares about my stupid views and opinions, so why bother??
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Jeff,
I own a Tri-Axis, and can tell you the following:
1-) There is one single mono output emulating the clean circuitry. It sounds
VERY good, but is mono (i.e. if you use a stereo effects unit in the
tri-axis effects loop, like I do, you lose the stereo aspect when using
the mono recording output).
2-) There is also one single mono output emulating the distorted circuitry.
Ditto for the sound (it sounds VERY good), ditto for the loss of stereo
effects.
3-) A call to Mesa-Boogie made it clear that they can modify this in order
to give me a pair of stereo recording outputs emulating either the
clean _OR_ the distorted circuitry, but not both. I'm going to call
them back and ask about getting two stereo pairs (when I get time....)
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Daniel Poirier e-mail: [email protected] (613)763-5185
Standard disclaimers... - BNR does not own or share my opinion!
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2681.13 | Record like a man | GOES11::G_HOUSE | It's NOT a TOOMAH! | Thu Mar 18 1993 12:07 | 6 |
| I wonder if they could just modify it so that it uses a TRS plug for
stereo out on each one? (if space is the problem)
A guitar's a mono device anyway, add stereo effects in the mix.
gh
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2681.14 | | KDX200::DRTBYK::COOPER | Ex-Squeeze Me ? Baking Powder ? | Thu Mar 18 1993 12:31 | 9 |
| Well, stereo guitar would be cool if I had more than 8 tracks -
Ergo, I agree - mono will work fine for me... I'm just excited
that this guy seems to think the emulators on the TriAxis
work well!!
I've written the guy back for more inputs - perhaps I'll post what
he has to say.
jc
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2681.15 | More commentary from the USENET | KDX200::COOPER | Let The Light Surround You!! | Fri Mar 19 1993 14:02 | 85 |
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From: [email protected]
Newsgroups: rec.music.makers.guitar
Subject: Re: Mesa/Boogie TriAxis (i got one)
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 17 Mar 93 14:00:33 -0500
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In article <[email protected]>, STMQ%[email protected] (Michael Quigley) writes:
> Dear Readers,
>
> I am in the process of looking for a new preamp for my rig. I have
> tried a couple, but haven't really found what I am looking for. From
> conversations that I have had with music store employees and friends
> I have come to the conclusion that I am looking for either a Mesa-
> Boogie TriAxis preamp, or something similar. Is there anyone out there
> who owns this preamp that could tell me about it? Most music dealers
> are also rather stubborn about giving out Mesa prices. What is this
> preamp currently selling for?
>
Well, I checked the NET and evidently I am the only one who has picked
up one of these things (i got one of the first ones).
so what do I think...
in a word (or two) this is THE most incredible preamp ever made.
What is keeping this fact so well hidden is that it costs a
boatload of money ($1200 is the correct price)and
the factory programs suck...
Th TriAxis successfully mimics most if not all of the Mesa-Boogie line
of amps. It has the ability to work with the MB power amps (and others)
with the use of remote footswitch jacks - all programmable. within each
preset are various "modes" that reflect the voicings of all the popular
MB Amps as well as some of the Marshall and other popular stuff.
the user interface is not the best that i have ever seen, but it is
not objectionable. the input is on the back (stupid). But if you
use the venerable Shure wireless system like i do it's almost a
blessing.the layout is easy to understand, and all the controls are on the
front (no menus!!)
the best thing is the *sound*. Direct to my console this thing CRUSHES!
it also works well with my cabinets (I have a marshall stack, a fender
combo, and a JC120).
>
> Right now I am using (get this) my Rockman as a preamp. I like the
> distortion it has. It is crunchy without being too fuzzy. I get crunch
> and I can still play complex voicings without losing anything. Has a
> nice lead sound. The problem is that I have no control over the
> Rockman on stage. So it doesn't cut it.
I converted from a Rockman COMP/Sustainor to this piece. I have entered
another zone!!! I actually occasionally use them both together (in
parallel, not series). It's a pretty cool combination.
By the by, I also have one of those new Roland Guitar Synths (so shoot me, I
can't remember the stupid number). It's the one with the main unit that
sits on the floor. I have the GK-1 driver mounted on a signature
series Paul Reed Smith. This synth tracks Great! it is the first synth
that I have ever played that didn't force me to play a different style
just to get it to keep up. And the combination of the TriAxis with the Roland
synth sounds has to be heard to be believed!!!!
Bottom line, if money is not your primary deciding factor, buy the
TriAxis. You *WILL NOT* be disappointed.
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Brian David Maddox - Washington D.C.
[email protected] (VMS) ) "all we are saying....
[email protected] (UNIX) ) is do a pizza dance"
[email protected] (LAN) ) john & yoko at the HUT
-All opinions expressed above are mine and mine alone...
but i'm right!
*************************************************************************
...no i don't work for Mesa Boogie...
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2681.16 | How could you deface the front of a PRS? | IOSG::CREASY | In a crisis, the person smiling has found someone else to blame | Mon Mar 22 1993 04:33 | 5 |
| Sorry to clutter up the TriAxis note with other stuff, but did you
notice at the end of the previous posting that the dood's mounted a
GK-1 on a *PRS signature*??? I think I'm gonna faint...
Nick
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2681.17 | Worth the money... | CSC32::W_ALEXANDER | | Mon Mar 22 1993 11:05 | 12 |
|
...so we are auditioning a new singer last night and of course
Coop has this new toy and the drummer says "lets play real clean
with no effects at all..." NOT! This is while I am having Coop
run thru some of the preamp settings from clean to CAPTIAN-CRUNCH.
COOP I think that TriAxis has set a new record for led's.
The cost of this thing is the engineering of the front
panel %~}
P.S. It sounded Great!
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2681.18 | My new TriAxis (review) | KDX200::COOPER | Let The Light Surround You!! | Mon Mar 22 1993 11:27 | 119 |
| Well, the day has come. I'm no longer a ADA Mp1 bigot... Now I'm a
MESA/Boogie bigot. :-)
I took delivery of my Boogie TriAxis Friday. It was in excellent
shape... brand new boogie tubes (and the old ones), and not a scratch
on it.
I screwed it into my rack, and wired it up...Then exhibited incredible
control - I took my wife out instead of playing with it (anyone who
knows me, knows that this is extremely rare). Good PR though. :-)\
I read the manual when I got home. First nit: The manual SUCKS!
It's about 2.5"x4" and extremely brief. There is a mimeographed sheet
of paper in the box also that tells about SYSEX dumping and junk.
Anyway, Saturday morning at 7:30am sharp, I fired it up. I ran thru
the factory presets (1-10 run you thru the voicings) noticed right away
that the "Vintage Boogie" voicing is the cats meow for the blues -
slightly dirty without sounding too hollow. It's ballzy, FAT and warm -
really nice.
The MkIV rhythm voicing is super crystal clean (ALA Roland JC120) - also
very nice (without being too compressed). All the clean voicings are
punch and fat, and are typically "tube" sounding - even with my SP1000
pushing the speakers - speaking of which, I only used two of my 4x12's...
I set about tweaking the "MKIV" voicing to fit my needs and stored it
in patch 1. Basically, I just added a bit of midrange to the factory
default.
Next, I took the Vintage Boogie voicing (ala MkII or .50 calibre) and
added a hair of "drive" and came up with a preset with enough grunge to
dirty up when playing hard, but still able to stay clean if I back off
a little - perfect for doin' the SRV thang. Stored that in patch 2.
It was really tempting to rage the drive, but that'll be another
preset. :-)
Next I took "Bright Boogie Lead" and nailed the drive and gain. Instant
metal rhythm. The default was a little too fat for my taste, so I
backed down the mid and treble and jumped the presence up. Perfect.
Patch 3. This voicing makes for a midrange punch that you guys with
the Marshalls and PV's would love...and has room for all the squeelies
you could want.
The last one for this sitting was the "High Gain British Lead" - added
a hair of mids to this one, and ran the gain up, while keeping the
"drive" down a little. Big-n-fat...
When I was done, I ran (for giggles) a patch cord to my cassette deck
and recorded some of the sounds... The direct outs sound GREAT!
Better than anything I've used before, and better sounding that the
zillions of ways I've miked up cabs. I think this will be very helpful
on future recording sessions!! Oh, there are two outputs - One for
clean sounds and one for nasty sounds. Both worked good!
So, I'm in heaven - I got all the sounds my basic Mp1 had, in about 2
hours. Stored it and got burnt (this is REALLY dumb!!). See, BOOGIE
makes patch locations 1-20 factory presets. They load from ROM
everytime you power up. You can use those locations, but you have to
DISABLE the ROM before you power off. I forgot. So, I had to go back
and do it again. Power up ROM is now disabled. :-).
As soon as I was done, I loaded up the rack, and boogied (wagagagaga)
to a rehearsal. I needed those four basic patches to get thru the
night. After the initial ohhs and ahhs, we got down to playing. The
TriAxis was in it's own. Ballzy, lotsa punch, and even the drummer
commented how the TriAxis came thru the mix. It was a long rehearsal,
and I think Will (the bassist) wants to trade sides. I've suddenly got
midrange (cutyouinhalftype) punch that can be really painful (I like
that).
There are 90 factory presets in all, and some damn nice sounds.
Some observations:
- The thing is HUGE !! 21 inches deep!!
- It's built like a tank. All steel housing.
- Handy tube placement (5-12AX7's) - you can yank toobs
without "de-racking". Nice touch.
- The membrane switches are too small for my meaty digits.
- The LED displays are nice and big, and the up/down buttons
would be nice for you knob turners - NO MENU's!, just up and
down carrots for all params.
- Lots of lights (hey, it's an MRP thing. :-)
- The power up ROM is a PAIN!
- This thing is super quiet.
- The tones rules. All the voices (8) work as advertised.
I noticed that the "Vintage Mk I lead" seemed to be down
a bit in output - if you use this, you'll need to compensate.
- The QuadraVerb works good in the FX loop and in-line, and the
switching outputs on the TriAxis bypassed with no problems.
- Function interface (patch copy, loop enable, store, dump etc...)
is a little klutsy. After years with MIDI guitar toys, it never
ceases to amaze me how many different ways there are to do the same
damn thing. I suppose it's just something that I'll get used to...
Too much time with my Mp1 I guess.
- Boogie is going to send me a MIDI patch editor for my PC, so I can
download all my patches to the PC and tickle them there... FREE!
Voices:
- Vintage Fat Rhythm
- Modern Bright Rhythm
- Vintage Mk I lead
- Hi-Gain British Style Lead
- Hi-Gain "bright" British style lead
- Medium Gain Boogie Lead
- Classic Boogie Lead (ala MkII/IV)
- Bright Boogie Lead
Overall impression:
Gains for days!! My tone got a great boost, and I'm a happy camper!!
This thing is the most "tube amp" sounding preamp I've ever heard.
If I blind folded you, and sat you down, you'd never know I wasn't
doin' a hyper marshall or boogie or twin or... All that and a MIDI
front end. It's the "Mp1+" I was looking for: stereo FX loop, quiet,
recording outputs etc...A great buy!
jc (Happy TriAxis owner)
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2681.19 | How'd you get in here before me!?!?!?!? | KDX200::COOPER | Let The Light Surround You!! | Mon Mar 22 1993 11:52 | 4 |
| I played nice and clean dood! Just a little delay for leads. :-)
It WILL bump up the electricity bill though, with it's lights.
jc
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2681.20 | | DABEAN::REAUME | analog audio/digital control | Mon Mar 22 1993 12:06 | 17 |
|
WOW - sounds almost as good as an ACCESS - B-} (Mr H&K snob).
Glad to hear the Tri-Axis delivers the goods. Two similarities it
has with the Access. Neither (apparently) require a tube power amp
to do a decent, make that excellent, imitation of your standard tube
heads. And they both have increments/decrements for just about every
parameter so there's no menu/submenu tweaking. That's nice for getting
your sounds together FAST!
I wish I'd seen the look on your face when the next power up zipped
out your first programmed set of patches! At least you got that
straightened out.
It's nice that the tubes are accessible, because on the Access
they aren't until you de-rack and remove about ten screws!
-B{}{}M-
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2681.21 | | KDX200::COOPER | Let The Light Surround You!! | Mon Mar 22 1993 12:24 | 14 |
| Yeah, these toobs lay down and you just reach in and grab-n-pull.
I fackin HATE menus on MIDI toys. My QV is a PAIN, with a menu for
everything but the kitchen sink. The Inc/Dec arrows for each param
on the TriAxis are super convenient...Just like onna head, cept there
is no knob to break off. :-)
RE: Writing over my patches...
I think I know what I did. See, you gotta poke "Shift-Mode" and "enter".
I did that then said "Hmm, I wonder if I did that right?" and did it
again (effectively undoing the override). :-) Whataputz. :-)
jc
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2681.22 | | DABEAN::REAUME | analog audio/digital control | Mon Mar 22 1993 12:37 | 9 |
|
Hey - that Tri-Axis must sit in the M/B rack real nice!
What's left? Hmmm - rack mount tuner maybe? ADA microCAB?
Hey take the wife out for another dinner!
-B{}{}M-
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2681.23 | The tone on Coop's solos was better imho | CSC32::W_ALEXANDER | | Mon Mar 22 1993 13:20 | 6 |
| <Hey - that Tri-Axis must sit in the M/B rack real nice!
Somewere in here someone said that you need a roadie to move an
SVT 8x10 cab. Try lifting Coop's rack =:^(
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2681.24 | He must want something... | KDX200::COOPER | Let The Light Surround You!! | Mon Mar 22 1993 13:53 | 15 |
| Yeah - it sits like lead. :-)
I have to invite Will over for a beer everytime I need
to move the damn thing! :-)
Thanks Will!
:-)
> -< The tone on Coop's solos was better imho >-
Thanks again... Actually, I thought the preset volume was a tad loud
for the leads - a quick edit fer-sure. But, umm, do I smell a bass solo
coming up?? :-)
jc
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2681.25 | First Abatelli, then Coop... Hey Buck, we're waiting... | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | Here all life abounds | Mon Mar 22 1993 13:57 | 9 |
| > Well, the day has come. I'm no longer a ADA Mp1 bigot... Now I'm a
> MESA/Boogie bigot. :-)
Sooner or later, we all come to the same place. ;-)
db
p.s. When Buck finally trades his 5150 for the latest Boogie, the
cycle of things will have been complete.
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2681.26 | | GOES11::G_HOUSE | ThatsWhenIreachedForMyRevolver | Mon Mar 22 1993 14:14 | 7 |
| > Somewere in here someone said that you need a roadie to move an
> SVT 8x10 cab. Try lifting Coop's rack =:^(
It's almost as heavy as a Twin!
;^)
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2681.27 | | KDX200::COOPER | Let The Light Surround You!! | Mon Mar 22 1993 14:29 | 2 |
| *Almost* as heavy as a Twin...
:-)
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2681.28 | | POWDML::BUCKLEY | A Change of Seasons | Mon Mar 22 1993 16:21 | 7 |
| RE: db
Don't hold yer breath!!
Buck, who played with Rick C's boogie for quite a while once. Amusing
for one lead tone, but not versitile at all..
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2681.29 | No hernia yet (Only play thru a Twin)! | BSS::STPALY::MOLLER | Fix it before it breaks | Mon Mar 22 1993 16:26 | 9 |
| Peter, Paul & Mary said it best...
'The answer my friend, is to play it thru a Twin,
The answer is "to play it thru a Twin"'.
All other amps just go 'Puff' like some magic dragon - stick with the
twin, It's heavy, 'cause it's got soul.
Jens
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2681.30 | | KDX200::COOPER | Let The Light Surround You!! | Mon Mar 22 1993 16:42 | 5 |
| I heard that Twins were unstanble on their wheels, and if you put them
in front of multiple 4x12's, they could tip over, making a REALLY cool
sound of springs goin BOING! :-)
jc
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2681.31 | I'M TRAPPED!!! I'M TRAPPED!! | GOES11::G_HOUSE | ThatsWhenIreachedForMyRevolver | Mon Mar 22 1993 16:43 | 1 |
| Hey, if anyone tells ya that yer Twin isn't cool, drop it on 'em!
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2681.32 | I owned one,got the hernia to prove it | GIDDAY::KNIGHTP | I'll get you with my disentigrating pistol | Mon Mar 22 1993 17:09 | 15 |
| re the twin
Fender the Twin : from the latin" Hernias Incredibulus"
In Troy in 556 BC alexander the great made a wooden fender
twin and hid an army inside it.
The titanic didn't actually hit an iceberg, one of the bands
twins actually fell overboard and the resultant weight shift actually
flipped the ship.
There is no way the Wright brothers would have flown at Kittyhawk
if they had been carrying a twin.
P.K.
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2681.33 | | KDX200::COOPER | Let The Light Surround You!! | Mon Mar 22 1993 18:49 | 6 |
| Yo PK !!
Don't *ever* say Kittyhawk in this topic again!
:-)
jc
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2681.34 | Who'dve thought!?!? | KDX200::COOPER | Let The Light Surround You!! | Mon Mar 22 1993 19:01 | 2 |
| I still can't get over this... There *is* life after ADA !!
:-)
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2681.35 | | POWDML::BUCKLEY | A Change of Seasons | Mon Mar 22 1993 20:39 | 4 |
| >I still can't get over this... There *is* life after ADA !!
Exactly what Greg House and I have been trying to tell you for YEARS!
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2681.36 | sorry about that - not really | DABEAN::REAUME | analog audio/digital control | Tue Mar 23 1993 06:26 | 18 |
|
..and I just bought my first ADA piece of gear. I DID have a
Boogie Sus-4 rack that found its way to Colorado. That's probably the
first piece of gear that someone in here mentioned they wanted and I
just happened to have one sitting in my basement that I wasn't using!
Coop - I think the writing was on the wall when I sent you that rack!!!
I think you did a good job of avoiding major GTS during '92 but
you've already made up for that this year.
Oh Yeah :
---KittyHawk-KittyHawk-KittyHawk-KittyHawk-KittyHawk-KittyHawk-KittyHawk---
(I still love my M1's to death)
-=B{}{}M=-
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2681.37 | | KDX200::COOPER | Let The Light Surround You!! | Tue Mar 23 1993 09:24 | 4 |
| Humph. I still say the Mp1's rule the earth... Just that TriAxis
rules the universe. :-)
jc
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Well, I thought I'd drop a note in here...
It's always been said that you can't quite get the right sound
from recording direct from an amp/direct_box/whatever.
I recently picked up a preamp for my guitar rig that has direct
"recording compensated" outputs (one for distorted signals, one
for clean). The preamp is a Mesa/Boogie TriAxis.
I did some recording with it last night, and am extremely pleased
with sounds I got!! It's the best guitar sound that I've ever gotten
on tape (including open-miking cabs). I'm tickled to death. The most
amazing thing to me was that I recorded some real hi-gain/hi-distortion
lead lines, and it preserved that nice fat boogie sound really well,
without sounding like a bumblebee in a beer can. :-)
The Boogie isn't cheap though, but they proved to me that direct outs
CAN work. So, perhaps there will be some less expensive alternatives
coming around in the near future!!
jc
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2681.39 | Boogies are on top of my list... | SALEM::STIG | Look in the eye!! | Fri Apr 16 1993 14:58 | 8 |
| Yeah...Boogies are great. I used to do a lot of recordings with the
studio .22. Great sounds out of that one!! I have been recording with a
Marshall Artist as of late but once I get my 60 htz hum out of my Mark3
Simulcast I'll be back with the Boogie in the studio. Most of my
recordings have been with Boogies and Marshalls and even some GK's...
The ada has a decent sound as well especially the clean sound.
stig
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2681.40 | Blurb from Boogies catalog - TRIAXIS | KDX200::COOPER | Let The Light Surround You!! | Tue May 11 1993 10:47 | 48 |
| Snarfed from the January 1993 Mesa/Boogie Price List, without
permission:
TRIAXIS PROGRAMMABLE PREAMP
This one rack space represents 20 years of pioneering guitar
amplification design. All tube analog audio circuitry, complete
programability of all controls and features, plus MIDI compatability
make the TriAxis the most comprehensive guitar sound tool to date.
A simple "one page" layout lets you spontaneously create any current,
classic or vintage sound imaginable - in seconds - and save it for
instant access at future sessions.
Features include:
- Tone! (I didn't print that! -jc)
- 5x 12AX7 Tubes (accessable from the rear, without deracking)
- Eight modes! Consisting of 2 clean (one vintage, one modern
'hyper-clean'), and 6 lead (3 vintage configurations, 3 modern
configurations).
- Individual "+", "-" keys and displays for each control
- Individual preset and program displays with dedicated "+", "-"
keys.
- "One Page" layout for continuous display of and access to all
functions
- Programable stereo effects loop with indicator
- Four programmable tip-to-ground function switch ports -with
indicators- for controlling external devices.
- Stereo "Main Out" jacks
- Stereo "Recording Out" jacks for truely accurate direct recording
- Manual concentric stereo "Output Level" controls (eliminates the
need for re-write of master settings in different size venues).
- Shift function enabling copy features and numeric keypad for
program/preset entry.
- 90 presets (20 factory, 70 user)
- 128 MIDI program locations for storing presets
- Memory mapping
- MIDI In, Out, Thru
"New Features"
- COMPLETE Rectifier circuit board added (Red 1 Mode)
- New Inc/Dec keys - even more touch sensitive
- "Continuous Control" of all parameters now possible!
TriAxis preamp: $1,395.00
with Abacus MIDI controller $1,695.00
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2681.41 | Blurb from Boogies catalog - Stereo Simul 2:Ninety | KDX200::COOPER | Let The Light Surround You!! | Tue May 11 1993 10:59 | 30 |
| Snarfed from the January 1993 Mesa/Boogie Price List, without
permission:
SWITCH TRACK(tm) POWER Like having two power amps in one
A new concept in guitar power amplifiers. SWITHCTRACK(tm) lets a
player voice the power amp differently for clean and distortion sounds
and switch between thew two voicings. It's like having channel
switching in your power amp!
Choose the Strategy 500 for maximum power and headroom, while the
stereo Simul 2 Ninety(tm) delivers the ultimate creamy lead voice that
has won SimulClass power world-wide acclaim.
*NEW* Stereo Simul 2:Ninety(tm)
- 90 watts per side, all tube, only two rack spaces!
- 3 'voicing feature' jacks: "Half Drive", "Deep Extend" and
"Modern" (These features can be accessed by TRIAXIS program
change or by most any tip-to-ground switcher). Each voicing
feature has a corresponding front panel LED indicator.
- Instrument/Line Level input selector
- 1x8 ohm or 2x4 ohm speaker outputs per channel.
- Tone! By far the most responsive and guitaristic power amp
available to date. Employs both simulclass power and a driver
circuit thats more like an amp head.
The ultimate TRIAXIS companion!
$995
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2681.42 | | KDX200::COOPER | Let The Light Surround You!! | Tue May 11 1993 11:03 | 15 |
| I left out the blurb on the Strategy 500 power amp.... If anyone
wants to see the whole thing, let me know.
In a nut shell though it's an all tube power amp that has (8)6L6 tubes
*PLUS* (4) 6550's - 200 watts per channel (OUCH!). 3 rack
spaces. It's got switchtrack, and sep. volume/presence controls
for each channel.
I've heard the Simul 2:90 and it KILLS deer at 200 yards with the
volumes on 2. I just can't imagine what the 500 would do... Elk
maybe??
:-)
jc (Who wants to 2:90)
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2681.43 | Notes from my conversation with John at Boogie | KDX200::COOPER | Let The Light Surround You!! | Tue May 11 1993 12:14 | 56 |
| Some clarifications...
Recording outputs:
There are two. The chincy "manaul" (I use the term loosely) says
that the bottom jack is voiced for distortion sounds, and the top
jack is voiced for clean sounds.
The catalog says "Stereo Recording outputs".
A quick call to Boogie (John) and I find the following:
- The bottom jack is voiced for distortion - MONO!
- The top jack is voiced for clean - MONO!
- If you have a plug in each, you get an "in-between"
voicing in STEREO.
Also, if you have an older model TriAxis, Mesa/Boogie will upgrade
yours for $270 - Included is the Continous Control of all parameters,
a new circuit card with the "Dual Rectum Frier" circuitry which
REPLACES (not adds) a voice. Ergo - if you like your "Shredding
British Style Lead" - then don't get THIS upgrade.
The good part about the upgrade is you can mix-n-match what you want
as follows:
1. Continuous Control. $100
It's a PROM. You just pry out the old one and slap in the new
one. Allows you to continuosly control (via MIDI) any paramter
that you want (all four bands of EQ, Master volume, gain, drive,
voice etc...). This one is user-installable, and (fwiw), adds
a whole new realm of light shows to your rack, as all the leds
blink when you diddle with your CC's. Nifty!! an added bonus
to rack pukes everywhere!
2. Dual Rectum Frier. $150
Replaces your Red Mode 1 sound with the more vintage sounding
Dual Rectifier stuff. This is a factory replacement circuit
card only (none-user installable).
3. Touch Sensitive Controls. $20
User installable - They'll send you a whole new front panel with
a built on circuit card... The harder you push, the faster the
parameters go whizzing by etc...
I think Boogie was SMART to break down the upgrade like that... But I
miss the days of ADA giving you FREE upgrades. :-)
I know I'm the only one who has a TriAxis, but perhaps in the future
others will snarf one up...So this is FYI.
jc
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2681.44 | | KDX200::COOPER | Let The Light Surround You!! | Tue May 11 1993 12:16 | 5 |
| BTW - For you Dream Theater fans (Buck, you listening), John Petrucci
uses the TriAxis with a Strategy 500 amp...(You knew that)...
The nice part is, Boogie doesn't sponser him... He just likes
the TriAxis!
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2681.45 | Retro-recto | SUBSYS::GODIN | | Tue Jun 15 1993 10:32 | 16 |
| I finally got to hear (& touch) a Tri-Axis yesterday. It was running
through a 2:90 on 2 4x12 Marshall cabs. It's *the best* I've heard.
I've also heard the Dual Rectifier & it has good sounds, but I don't
know if I'd pay a couple hundred bucks *and* a "red" sound for the
option on a Tri-Axis. If you do the mod, is it possible to dial in the
lost sound on another program channel, or is it just gonzo ?
It would be nice if they'd settle on what they want to put into the box
instead of all those quasi-hack after market "options".
I think I'll wait until they've "matured" a little & look for a used
one. Coop, maybe you could sell me your "old" one for half price.
Paul
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2681.46 | | KDX200::COOPER | Testing my new personal name | Sun Aug 15 1993 16:47 | 6 |
| Greg,
You got to hear the TriAxis last night at Joes - whadja think of it?
Improvement over the Mp1, or what??
jc
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2681.47 | Sounded good to me! | GOES11::G_HOUSE | Eee-i-eee-i-oh | Sun Aug 15 1993 23:22 | 9 |
| > You got to hear the TriAxis last night at Joes - whadja think of it?
> Improvement over the Mp1, or what??
Yeah, as I told you that night, it's about a million times improvement
over the Mp-1. I thought both you and Mark (who uses a JMP-1 based
rig, for you other gentle readers) had good sounds for the stuff you
did. Real full, but still blended well with each other.
Greg
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2681.48 | Tri-Axis Rools For Bass | TECRUS::ROST | Keef Riffhard | Thu Oct 07 1993 14:02 | 9 |
| Look out...just got an issue of "AMPlitude", the new Mesa newsletter
(gee, if every company does a newsletter, GP can stop publishing!) and
guess what, bassist John Myung of Dream Theater is using a Tri-Axis
*bass* preamp.
Sell that SWR, sell that SVT, sell that Trace and step up to real man's
tone...
Dennis Dunaway
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2681.49 | bottom so low it'll... oh, never mind! | RICKS::CALCAGNI | Will work for '59 Les Paul | Thu Oct 07 1993 15:08 | 0 |
2681.50 | | HEDRON::DAVEB | anti-EMM! anti-EMM! I hate expanded memory!- Dorothy | Wed Mar 02 1994 07:56 | 10 |
| so dbii took the plunge and bought Coops' triaxis!
it arrived last night and I messed with it for a short while, (I couldn't
play long because I put a wood splinter under the nail on my left middle
finger and couldn't get it out...it's buried real deep, this weekend's gig
will be interesting if I can't get it out!)
It smokes!
dbii
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2681.51 | | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | db | Wed Mar 02 1994 08:44 | 5 |
| Huh????
Coop sold his Tri-Axis.
OK Coop, what is the current pre-amp du jour?
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2681.52 | | HEDRON::DAVEB | anti-EMM! anti-EMM! I hate expanded memory!- Dorothy | Wed Mar 02 1994 09:04 | 6 |
| he was mumbling about a jmp-1...better thrash tone...
me I'm now a happy boogie owner (ahhhh my first boogie)
dbii
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2681.53 | don't mess around this time! | POWDML::BUCKLEY | Raptor -- Rules the Skies! | Wed Mar 02 1994 10:42 | 4 |
|
Coop sold his Tri-Axis?!? I thought I would NEVER happen.
Coop, if you're reading this -- go for an ACCESS!
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2681.54 | Do as I say, not... | GOES11::HOUSE | Aren't you glad I asked? | Wed Mar 02 1994 11:04 | 1 |
| You got your's yet, Buck?
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2681.55 | | POWDML::BUCKLEY | Raptor -- Rules the Skies! | Wed Mar 02 1994 12:39 | 5 |
| If I was a pre-amp/rack sort of person, I would have one for sure.
The ACCESS system is the best rack thing going imvho -- much nicer
than the MESA Studio series to me.
BUT -- I'm a combo 'n' stack man, so, that's what I own.
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2681.56 | > two years in ACCESS mode! | FREEBE::REAUME | click -- buzz -- whirr | Wed Mar 02 1994 14:22 | 8 |
|
I agree with Buck !!!!!!
And I didn't put him up to saying .55 either!
-B{}{}M-
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2681.57 | | KDX200::COOPER | There's a moon in the sky! | Thu Mar 03 1994 11:54 | 17 |
| Yeah, the pre-amp du-jour will be either an ADA Mp2, or a Marshall
JMP-1.
I figure that ADA intro'd the Mp1, and it was a ground breaker. I
loved mine. Now, on paper this thing is HOT. We'll see what it sounds
like. I'm taking the rest of the afternoon off today, and all day
tomorrow to go to Denver and horse around with these pups.
I've played thru the Marshall JMP-1, and really liked it a lot...
But MIDI implementation is important to me, and (on paper), the
ADA Mp2 has the Marshall beat!! CC of all params, included the
stereo FX loop return, and all that stuff.
I'll have to sit down and write up a review of the goodies I try.
DB - You'll love the booger!!
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2681.58 | | DABEAN::REAUME | click -- buzz -- whirr | Thu Mar 03 1994 12:39 | 20 |
|
RE: -.1
dbii will like it better with the sliver out of his finger (ouch!)
Hey Coop - So you still have everything else? Who should I
(finally) send the M/B logo to?
Do yourself a favor. At least TRY the Digitech GSP-2101. The new
footswitches are supposed to be shipping shortly. I tried the GSP-2101
with a plain footcontroller and got to play some of the presets and
mess with some of the parameters. I am very impressed with this
preamp/processor. It's everything the GSP-21 isn't. I think Digitech
did some homework. The key here is that it is a nice sounding tube
preamp before you start throwing in effects. And it has full bandwidth
(at last some real lows and highs!) and is real clean. To top it off
it is a nice solid, professional looking product.
If I wasn't happy with the ACCESS, I would buy the GSP-2101!
-B{}{}M-
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2681.59 | Cross fingers==less noise. | GIDDAY::KNIGHTP | There's room for you inside | Thu Mar 03 1994 15:00 | 3 |
| Coop
please please please post a review of the MP2......I'm hangin.
P.K.
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2681.60 | Wot a Bargain | TECRUS::ROST | The creator has a master plan | Wed Jun 01 1994 14:55 | 5 |
| Hey, which of the zillion Mesa notes had the poop on the V-Twin stomp
box? Well, I got my answer on price...$350 at Daddy's. Hmm, that's
cheaper than a germanium Fuzz Face!!!!
Henry Vestine
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2681.61 | | LUDWIG::LUCHT | Is it performance? Is it expression? | Sat Feb 25 1995 02:07 | 4 |
| Mine should be arriving any day now...
Kev --
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