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Conference napalm::guitar

Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

2626.0. "GB-2 Session Trainer" by SHOEBX::CONNER () Thu Nov 19 1992 14:46

    
    I bought a Kawai DB-2 "Session Trainer" which allows you to
    enter chord progressions to canned rhythms so that you can practice
    improvising to bass-piano-drums.
    
    It's not too bad - it allows for a fair amount of altered chords
    and styles - rock, funk, jazz although I wish it had more
    jazz tracks - non standard time signatures, etc. 
    
    This seemed like the least expensive way to get into sequencing -
    it is just a box - no keyboard or speakers.  I have not been
    going to music stores in a while --
    
    what else is out there in the way of affordable sequencing?
    
    what kind of hardware do you have to buy to be able to sample
    your own rhythms and do sequencing?
    
    what is a good/affordable digital reverb unit?
    
    Also if anyone else has a DB-2 - i'll trade user song disks!
    
    				Paul
    
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2626.1 kp7, quick before the guitar mods catch us!EZ2GET::STEWARTI jam, therefore, I amThu Nov 19 1992 20:097
    
    Check out the COMMUSIC conference on IMDOWN::.  Despite the name of the
    conference, not everything discussed in there is computer-related -
    though a computer-based solution is definitely a possibility for the
    kinds of things you mentioned.
    
    
2626.2db in a box???DREGS::BLICKSTEINdbFri Nov 20 1992 08:427
    I think the guys in my band would tell you that one DB is enough.
    
    The last thing they need is a DB-2?
    
    ;-)
    
    	db
2626.3Practice Tool OnlySHOEBX::CONNERFri Nov 20 1992 08:5011
    
    I only mentioned it here cause I think it does have a bias towards
    guitar players -
    
    You can plug your guitar into it and has an overdrive effect -
    
    I just see it as an alternative for those who can't find a
    rhythm section to jam with - I live in Peoria, IL.
    
    All's you need is some music theory or some chord charts!
    
2626.4ObsessiveTECRUS::TECRUS::ROSTLimo driver for Ringo StarrFri Nov 20 1992 10:303
    Actually, isn't this thing called a *G*B-2?  Whatever...
    
    						Brian
2626.5I couldn't resistWEORG::WIEGLERFri Nov 20 1992 10:436
    re: .2
    
    Yup, I agree.  DB-1 suits me just fine.  In fact, I'll bet my
    DB-1 can play rings around your DB-2!
    
    	;^)
2626.6GSHOEBX::CONNERFri Nov 20 1992 15:373
    
    I've never been able to spell - GB-2 it is.
    
2626.7GOES11::G_HOUSEBig cheese, MAKE me!Fri Nov 20 1992 17:416
    I've corrected the note title...
    
    How much variety in exercises does this unit give?  It appears to claim
    a lot in the advertisements.  What's the going price?
    
    Greg
2626.8VarietrySHOEBX::CONNERWed Nov 25 1992 17:0452
    
    $300 - I didn't shop around too much for price...
     
    You basically choose from 48 preprogrammed patterns (read only) or 10
    user song patterns (read-write) to play - practice with.  A pattern is
    the combination of a drum track, bass line, and 2 chord tracks
    (separate chord synth parts), and the chord progression itself.
    
    The basic play pattern functions are start, stop, continue, start with
    intro, stop with ending, play fill - usually a drum fill, turn off
    bass, turn off chords. Once started, each track loops forever until
    stopped.  You can also adjust the tempo of the pattern (faster, slower,
    but same pitch) or raise or lower the pitch (in half steps I think).
    
    The user song patterns allow you to copy in existing patterns and edit
    them - change the pattern name, rhythm/foundation pattern, tempo, chord
    progression, turn on/off bass, chord1, chord2, drums, add fills, vary
    the pattern (each pattern has 2 variances - slightly different bass
    lines or comp rhythms).  You can influence the bass line up by
    specifying poly-chords ex.  CMA7/G makes the bass play a G note instead
    of the note it would have based on the canned/foundation pattern. You
    can also program limited looping of specific measures (repeat measures
    5-8 four times).
    
    The machine merges your set of edits with the foundation pattern - so
    for example, you can influence the root and chord type of a chord but
    not the inversion or register of how the chord was "sampled" if that
    makes any sense.  (Some times certain chord changes sound clumsy when
    merged to the foundation pattern.)
     
    Once edited your user song is saved (non-volatile).  You can buy
    separate disks to import other patterns or export your own user songs -
    each disk can hold up to 64 patterns, I think.
    
    From a music styles perspective, most of the patterns fall into a rock,
    funk, or pop-jazz category.  Some of the patterns (chord progressions)
    are stolen from actual tunes.  (Maybe they are all.) - I've been able
    to map 5 foundation patterns to (straight ahead) jazz standards.  All
    of the patterns are 4 to the bar except one - a jazz waltz (Bluesette).
    There are a couple of decent bossa/samba patterns.
    
    A bunch of stuff is available but I haven't heard anything from disk yet.
    
    If you see it at the music store just press the play button to start
    a pattern and then press a two digit pattern number 00-47 to hear the
    different foundation patterns.
    
    I think everyone would get tired of the out-of-the-box patterns pretty
    quick and that the usefullness of this thing is in the user songs and
    tempo control.