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2434.1 | try this | GLDOA::REITER | | Mon Feb 10 1992 07:06 | 14 |
| I'll give it a shot until someone comes along who knows what they're
talking about ;7)
middle pickup only
roll off tone a little bit
roll off volume a little bit more
amp:
clean channel (obviously)
slight reverb OK if desired
use fingers, or pick slowly...
technique will be different than electric
\Gary, former acoustic/folkie
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2434.2 | | PELKEY::PELKEY | Snert ! Fetch me my dagger. | Mon Feb 10 1992 08:46 | 16 |
| Well, actually, (a disending opinion) I say, you can't...
It'll still sound like a strat, (or an electric)
You'll muddle through but if you're looking for the 'acoustic'
sound, (or should I say, the elctrified acoustic sound)
You need an acoustic..
What ya can do is to get a tarus stand for your acoustic, and
this allows you to walk up to the guitar with your electric
on, and play the acoustic.
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2434.3 | 12-String emulation | MVSUPP::SYSTEM | Dave Carr 845-2317 | Mon Feb 10 1992 08:59 | 8 |
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Some digital delay and flanger boxes can give you a "12-string"
type effect if they're set up properly. Perhaps this would be a
suitable compromise. Again I'd second that it needs to be a clean
amp setting.
As .-1 says, ideally, use an acoustic or electro-acoustic with a stand, but
you may not want to cart around/set up/tune up another instrument.
*DC
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2434.4 | warm..... | NAVY5::SDANDREA | Open up, I'm climbin' in | Mon Feb 10 1992 12:08 | 12 |
| It's gonna be hard to emulate an acoustic with a strat's "thin-ness".
I'd say use the neck pickup with the tone rolled towards the "bass" or off
end of the tone spectrum and then experiment with your amp settings.
Are you playing with another acoustic guitar in your band, or are you
THE guitar? If you are accompanying an acoustic, I'd would think that
the former recommendations using flanger/chorus to emulate the 12
string tone would be a nice compliment to an acoustic.
Play it warm and soft!
Steve
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2434.5 | At a price... | YUPPY::HARVEY | Ralph Harvey, Central London | Mon Feb 10 1992 12:47 | 14 |
| Obviously the only thing that (to my ears!) sounds exactly like an
acoustic is... an acoustic. So we're talking about emulating something
here. That means it's down to cost. The cheapest solution is to
fiddle around with the pick ups/selectors. A more expensive solution
is a signal processor. The closest I've heard is the ART SGX2000 (I'm
beginning to sound like I work for the ART) but it is impressive. I
use mine with pitch transposer and various other effects to create a
good 12 string feel - it also can make my Les Paul sound like a strat
and my strat (copy) sound like a Les Paul!
Of course it is expensive - (U.S. gear is biased against us UK types
;-) retailing for 680 UK Pounds - that's alot of $$$s folks...
-Ralph-
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2434.6 | | PELKEY::PELKEY | Snert ! Fetch me my dagger. | Mon Feb 10 1992 13:01 | 30 |
| I'll tell ya where this all ends up...
I think, (add a dash of salt, a pound of religion, and a generous
supply of personal opinion)
On the other side of the spectrum..
The only way to get **THAT** acoustic sound is in a studio, with
full body acoustic, and some high end studio mics. (*That* sound
I'm referring to could be best described by the tunes "From the Beginning"
"She Talks to Angels", "Patience" etc..)
My experience with elec. acoustics, (And I've had quite a few,,,)
is that they all sound basically the same.
Granted the Ovations with the Op. 24 systems are a step up, from
say the Balladiers with the Volume/Tone, but you could get real close
to that with a patched in EQ. With the Ovations, I'm not sold. I just
don't like their sound as an Acoustic...
Now, Seymore Duncan makes this acoustic pickup, looks like a slide,
sticks in your hole,, this is a nice pickup. Add some eq, and you're
all set. Most acoustic come stock with that little peiso pickup.
O.k., but add some EQ or it won't have enough depth.
To me, the ULTIMATE would be the top end Alvares with the Op 24 config.
Nice acoutsic, add with the best electronics you can find!
/r
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2434.7 | You're KIDDING!?!?!? | GLDOA::REITER | | Mon Feb 10 1992 13:15 | 7 |
| re: previous few...
Do you mean to say that acoustic guitars are not actually solid-body
electrics with spruce shells over them, and tiny little built-in amps?
;7) And here I thought that's what they were...
\Gary
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2434.8 | The Boxer? | SMURF::BENNETT | Calling Occupants.... | Mon Feb 10 1992 15:47 | 10 |
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Is that the one with sound of Twin Reverb being Kicked during
the chorus? "Li - la - li *CRASH* "?
My suggestion is to go listen to a few Billy Bragg records -
perhaps "Talking to the Taxman about Poetry" and then figgerin'
out how to make the best of an electric guitar in an acoustic
ballad context. Maybe listening to some Jonathan Richman might
help too.
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2434.9 | | CHEFS::BRIGGSR | Four Flat Tyres on a Muddy Road | Tue Feb 11 1992 02:33 | 21 |
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Thanks for all the ideas. What I've noticed in many concert situations
is that an electric CAN be used to acompany what is essentially an
'acoustic' song almost to the extent that you don't notice. I suspect
that its a combination of a) opting for some configuration of
pickups/tone etc and b), probably most importantly, not
attempting to play in the same style as you would with an acoustic.
For instance, maybe arpeggios picked with a plectrum and not in true
finger picking style. Example would be Paul Simon's rendition of Sounds
of Silence using a Strat (I think) at his Central Park Concert. I
havn't analysed his technique on video but I bet he plays in a totally
different way to the way he'd play an acoustic.
Incidentally, even with medium strings on the Strat (I usually have
ultra light on my acoustic) the Strat still has absolutely zero 'feel'
if you trying any picking techniques. Maybe you need heavy gauge
strings or something as well.
Richard
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