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| 2407.1 | | WEDOIT::KELLYJ | Master of rhythm, Phd in swing | Fri Dec 13 1991 16:42 | 13 |
| Jimmy is a guy who disappointed me. Man, when I heard the first Zep
album I was blown away by his playing; 20 years later I feel like he
didn't progress much if at all. Some might argue that Clapton didn't
progress on guitar, but he certainly is out there chugging away. Beck
comes out of reclusion every so often to play some amazing stuff and
then goes back to polishing his '32 Ford coupe. The last time I heard
anything new by JP was 'Radioactive' w/ the Firm...and now I feel like
he's trading on old stuff by re-issuing the great LZ tunes.
On a tangent, I read in the book describing Led Zeppelin's history that
Jimmy played the solos on 'You Really Got Me' and other early Kinks
tunes...it sure sounds like his kind of controlled-but-out-of-control
type of stuff.
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| 2407.2 | Inquiring minds want to know | SAHQ::ROSENKRANZ | Less is More | Fri Dec 13 1991 16:55 | 7 |
| re: 1
Actually, I think there is some controversy over who actually played
the solo on "you really got me". As I recall, Page claims he did and
Davies claims he (Page) didn't.
Anyone got the real dirt on this one?
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| 2407.3 | ZoSo | TAEC::MALLET | to the next whammy bar... | Mon Dec 16 1991 05:53 | 18 |
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I don't care if he did or he didn't. What I know is that HE did :
- I can't quit you babe,
- Communication breakdown
- Heartbreaker
- Black Dog
- Dazed and Confused
- Rock and Roll
- Since I've been loving you
- Kashmir
- Tea for one
- Achille's last stand
- ....................
I prefer two licks by Jimmy than 3993094 notes by Satriani (even if
it takes the same time !)
P.S.: Don't forget 'Moby Dick' Bonzo...
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| 2407.4 | EVH rathole alert... | CARTUN::BDONOVAN | Floyd Snead's drum tech | Mon Dec 16 1991 08:51 | 14 |
| re. .2 the solo on "You Really Got Me"
Eddie Van Halen once pointed that arguing about who did that
solo, Dave Davies or Jimmy Page, misses the point by a mile.
He said that it's the killer *rhythm guitar riff* that turned the
song into a classic.
I think it's a pretty good point....as I sit here, I can't even "hear"
the solo from the Kink's version in my head. On the other hand,
who can forget those opening chords?!?
Brian
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| 2407.5 | | RAVEN1::JERRYWHITE | Hey you're pretty good - NOT ! | Mon Dec 16 1991 09:14 | 4 |
| The solo is a dog ... I don't think it was Page - he could have done a
MUCH nicer job ... 8^)
Scary
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| 2407.6 | it's all relative... | NAVY5::SDANDREA | plonkers 'r' us | Mon Dec 16 1991 09:26 | 10 |
| re: -1
"that solo is a dog..."
It may be one now (IYHO), but it wasn't in 196X !! I remember thinking
WOW, I need to practice!
Stevo 8^)
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| 2407.7 | | PHAROS::SAKELARIS | | Mon Dec 16 1991 11:01 | 8 |
| re .6
>It may be one now (IYHO), but it wasn't in 196x !!
Yep, me too. It was a real ear opener. I liked George Harrison at the
time and "You Really Got Me" was about the hottest thing until the
Yardbirds' "Shapes of Things". Then Hendrix, Cream, and .... Damn what
a time of musical explosion.
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| 2407.8 | | USPMLO::DESROCHERS | | Mon Dec 16 1991 11:40 | 10 |
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I agree too - it was great back then. But it's funny - it's
all in what you're exposed to. At the time... George Benson,
Wes Montgomery, Joe Pass, Herb Ellis, Barney Kessel, etc...
were out there.
They must have thought it was a dog back then!!
Tom
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| 2407.9 | | PELKEY::PELKEY | Snert ! Fetch me my dagger. | Mon Dec 16 1991 12:30 | 6 |
| re:6
Good point.
They didn't have much to go on back in them early days did they ?
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| 2407.10 | | AWECIM::RUSSO | | Mon Dec 16 1991 13:05 | 15 |
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Well, Page put out a solo album in 1988, "Outrider", which was an
improvement on the Firm. I liked it, has some cool tunes on it.
But the biggest musical disappointment I've experienced was when I saw
the Firm in 1986. Page was kinda trashed, was a stage hog, and the
other members of the band were visibly annoyed with him.
Still......I love his style more than anyone else's. Particularly his
acoustic riffs. He covered a LOT of styles with Led Zeppelin, and
played them all very well. He was sloppy on stage, but brilliant in
the studio.
Dave
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| 2407.11 | | PELKEY::PELKEY | Snert ! Fetch me my dagger. | Mon Dec 16 1991 15:29 | 27 |
| Jimmy Page huh ?
Well what can I say cept,,
He probably should have stayed away from the 'substance'.. It took it's
toll on the man.. I haven't really been much of a J.P. fan since 'Four Sticks'
and I think, some would argue, a few of his best solos are, most of the work
on the first albuim, and the solo for S.W.T. Heaven. (IMHO still by even
todays standards one of the best rock solos I can think of.) Black Dog
is still one of my favorite rock tunes..
Although some stuff on Physical Graffitti is worth a nod or two, the rest
just gets more on the side of noise for me.. (Especially stuff like Casmeir
(Spelling may be botched...)
The first and second Zep albums(I think) was Page at his best... I think he
slid fast after the fourth album..
That first album though,,, was the greatest album! Infact, it's one of my
Nostaligic favorites.
Hey, maybe he'll make a comeback aka Johnny Winter, Eric Clapton, Stevie Ray...
I saw the video of the big Zep Reunion, and quite honestly, I was embarrassed
for him - P.U.. Almost as bad as Dylan's performance on the last music awards
ceremony last year.
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| 2407.12 | | RAVEN1::BLAIR | Garth, I think I'm gonna hurl! | Mon Dec 16 1991 16:00 | 10 |
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Geez, I *still* like the solo from "You Really Got Me"... The
rhythm is great too. I Like the solo because of the raw,
go-for-it, abandon feel. I had no idea that there was a doubt
as to who dun it. Don't sound like Page to me.
I read in GP that Page did the solo to Stairway on Joe Walsh's
Telecaster!
-pat
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| 2407.13 | Dr Tone | RICKS::CALCAGNI | Don't fret! | Mon Dec 16 1991 16:29 | 6 |
| Even more frightening is the fact the entire first Zep
album was cut on a Tele. There's some great tone happening
on that album. In fact, more than his playing, I think Page's
biggest and most lasting contribution is in the area of tone;
the man pioneered some of the heaviest and most imitated guitar
sounds on record.
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| 2407.14 | | AWECIM::RUSSO | | Mon Dec 16 1991 16:32 | 19 |
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Page did a LOT of stuff on the Telecaster......although his trademark
guitar is the Les Paul, most of the stuff on the albums don't sound
like a Les Paul.
I thought Presence kicked butt....that was the second to last LZ studio
album, and Page's guitar playing was very sharp sounding. However, on
"In through the Out Door" they buried him in the final mix for valid
reasons.....
Chances of a Page comeback are very slim......he's obsolete by today's
standards, just because of his style and all. Clapton is a
guitarist/singer, which makes his personality come through much more.
Beck never needed a singer, Page always has....not that that makes it
impossible....but I think Page has resigned himself to the fact that
his best days are behind him with Led Zeppelin.....and a comeback
similar to Clapton's doesn't strike me as Jimmy's style at all.
Dave
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| 2407.15 | distant micing | FRETZ::HEISER | electric warrior/acoustic saint | Mon Dec 16 1991 17:27 | 9 |
| I'm not much of a fan of his (despite starting the topic), but he did
some commendable things during his day. I agree with others about the
substance abuse being his downfall.
I remember reading about some of his techniques for fat guitar sounds
and one of them was distant micing. Placing the mic farther away from
the amp and cranking it gave him a fatter sound.
Mike
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| 2407.16 | And for an even fatter sound... | VCSESU::D_SMITH | | Tue Dec 17 1991 07:47 | 12 |
| JP was also known for layered guitar work...more commonly known as
mega-diddly guitar. Some songs of his go as far as having five guitars
all playing the same thing for that thick as a brick wall of sound.
I myself like many of the albums (fav:Presents)leading up to In Thru ",
when their raw sound got burned by the studio.
As a last comment, JP I though was a very inpressionistic soloist
when he took his time, but got down right sloppy with speed, such as
the Heartbreaker solo!
Dave'
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| 2407.17 | More JP session work | MVSUPP::SYSTEM | Dave Carr 845-2317 | Tue Dec 17 1991 08:39 | 8 |
| Someone said on the radio last weekend (in a program about Van Morrison)
that JP played lead guitar on Them's cover of "Baby Please Don't Go".
UK Noters may also remember Dave Berry's "The Crying Game", which featured
an early wahwah solo by JP, I believe.
Oh, and I think he also did the guitar on Joe Cocker's "A Little Help from
my Friends".
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| 2407.18 | Sunshine Superman | CGOOA::SEEMAN | | Wed Dec 18 1991 17:32 | 4 |
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I heard years ago that JP did the solo on Donavan's "Sunshine Superman"
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| 2407.19 | Page Sessionography... | TAEC::JASZEK | Andrzej (Angie) DTN828-5335 (GMT+1) Telecoms Engineering VBO(France)."Et maintenant quelque-chose de completement different..." | Thu Dec 19 1991 08:34 | 27 |
| I have an back issue of I think Guitar World (JAN 1991 I think) and in it is a
sessionography of the man himself. It really is facinating reading since it
lists all the sessions he did as the number one session guitarist of the early
to mid sixties.
I can't remember off hand if he did the solo on the Kinks biggy but I can check,
I know he got some kind of credit in this listing. If theres a demand I'll type
the listing in, its like two pages with amazing things like he played on Tom
Jones hit 'Its not unusual'.
As to Page now, all I can say is when he came on and did 'Rock n roll' at
Nebworth with Mr Plant he was completely out of it and really just made a
noise. I think an interview with him in the mid 80s quoted as saying after
Bonzo died he put his guitar down for 'a number of years', I think it shows now.
It should be pointed out that he was a brilliant producer and anyone slagging
him for 'Remasters' is well out of order since it is now one of my most played
CDs, he really improved the clarity of some of the old tech mixes. 'Achilles
Last Stand' he was quoted as saying needed practicaly no remixing, and it
certainly jumps out at you as a great production.
Oh you may have guessed he is one of my fave guitarists, he is rock'n'roll
guitar for me.
lick'n'learn
Andrzej.
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| 2407.20 | | PHAROS::SAKELARIS | | Thu Dec 19 1991 09:57 | 6 |
| One tune that Page did that stands out in my mind is the one off the
first album that's like a raga, ie it has tablas for the percussion.
It's an acoustic tune. I think its just before "Communication
Breakdown". Would this be "Black Dog"?
"sakman"
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| 2407.21 | | RGB::ROST | Felix Pappalardi in a previous life | Thu Dec 19 1991 10:15 | 5 |
| Black Mountain Side. Supposedly a ripoff of the trad tune
"Blackwaterside". In an earlier incarnation with the Yardbirds, it was
called "White Summer".
Brian
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| 2407.22 | This guy was busy!!!! | SAHQ::ROSENKRANZ | Less is More | Thu Dec 19 1991 12:27 | 289 |
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Likewise some of these show a bit of his versatility...
{- would be more organized if my workstation wasn't down.}
Blow Up -- An album from the film "Blow Up" with Beck
and Page on "Stroll On" (Train Kept a
Rolling), one of the few dual lead tracks
available as a legitimate recordings.
Recently reissued on a compilation.
Cartoone -- Page session.
Dave Berry -- Page session with John Paul Jones and
Big Jim Sullivan on one record - This
Strange Effect.
Donovan -- Sessions on the albums Hurdy Gurdy Man and
Sunshine Superman. The Hurdy Gurdy Man
album included both John Bonham and Jones.
Although Page did not play on the title
track as believed that fine bit of playing
goes to Alan Holdsworth (if my memory serves)
Fifth Avenue Session work from Immediate production days.
Golden Eggs -- The Yardbirds - some rarities (boot).
Also "More Golden Eggs"
Harper + Jugula -- Roy Harper and Jimmy. And various other
albums with Harper.
Immediate A's & B's -- More Session days. Recently a
Sony compilation reissue, volumes 1,2, and 3.
James Patrick Page Session Man --
Pirate of singles (list included below)
Originally a two record set. A remastered
set two volume set with CD availability is
out and appears to be an official release
licensed and all that. Volume 1 CD
has additional songs than vinyl.
Volume 2 has an interesting track of
Train Kept... which first appeared on
a Texas rarity album called Acid Visions
where by Page dubbed the solo to Scott
Mckin (forget) who he met during
Yardbird days.
Joe Cocker -- "With A little Help from my Freinds"
Also few other tracks.
Les Fleurs De Lys -- Session
No Introduction Necessary -- Clapton and Page
White Boy Blues -- ""
British Archive Series -- ""
Blues Anytime -- bits of the above? coutless reissues.
P.J. Proby -- Early session Pre-LZ with possibly all
members of Zep.
Special Early Works --
Lord Sutch and -- Noel Redding, Beck, Page, others
Heavy Friends -- reissue as Fire and Thunder. Some songs
-- appeared on John Bonham Session Man along
with Roy Wood, etc.
Stephen Stills -- Right by You - a couple of songs
featuring Page.
Willie and The
Poor Boys -- Various...
Al Stewart -- Love Chronicals
Paul Anka -- ?
Them and Them Again
-- Gloria and forget the other track.
The Kinks -- You heard that argument...Page only plays
rhythm and he says he only added
some sweetening to You Really...
I hear that Pye has the version that
possibly has Page on lead. Check out
the Ventures. Page did play on early
Kinks records but the funny thing is
Davies says he didn't play on any of
them AND that he did all the solos
on the early LZ records!
Tom Jones -- It's not Unusual and one or two others.
The Who -- My Generation - rhythm on two tracks
"Can't Explain" which a Shel Talmy article
says was aimed at sounding like "You Really
Go Me". Also on Bald Headed Women.
David Bowie and the Mannish Boys -- Pity the Fool / 'forget
Nico -- "I'm not Saying" b/w "Last Mile"
The Pretty Things -- Get the Picture? (at least two tracks
"We'll Play House" and "You Don't Believe Me"
Bands Jimmy was in / session work...
Neil Christian and the Crusaders
Carter Lewis and the Southerners
Jet Harris and Tony Meehan
Mickie Most (-and the Gear)
Sessions on Herman's Hermits first two records also John Paul Jones
The Redcaps
Dave Berry
Mickey Finn and the Bluemen
Pat Wayne and the Beachcombers
The First Gear
Brenda Lee
The Primatives
Lulu and the Luvvers
Wayne Gibson and the Dynamic Sound
Brian Poole and the Tremoloes
Billy Fury
The Sneekers
The Zephyrs
The Landcastarians
The Brooks
Bobbie Graham
The Outsiders
The Fifth Avenue
Gregory Phillps
The Masterminds
Judi Smith
Les Fleurs De Lys
Twice as Much possibly one track on British Rock Giants -
"Sitten on a fence"
Johnny Holiday
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I forget who sent me this....
Jimmy Page (of Led Zeppelin fame) :
for any French institutional rockers, it was a must to go to record in London
in the 60's. Johnny did it and recorded there an EP named "Johnny in London"
(original isn't it !). As you all know, Jimmy Page was a very famous session
man in the 60's and he plays on this EP. (BTW Brian, Jimmy Page also plays
on some Michel Polnareff songs recorded in London !)
Chris Farlow "Out of Time" Also on Metamorphosis with
edit and Mick vocals dubbed.
Rolling Stones "I'd rather be with the boys" ? Dirty Work &
Metamorphsis also Jones, is supposedly
from early Decca session, possibly Gene Pitney
and others.
Everly Brothers Two Yanks in London - couple of tracks,
Jackie DeShannon 'ole girlfriend, wrote one with Page
recorded by M. Faithfull.
Petula Clark
Cliff Richard (?)
Diane Warwick - "Trains, Boats, and Planes" fuzzy guitar bit.
Burt Bacharach
Johnny Dankworth sp?
Graham Gouldman
Rock Generation Record - Sonny Boy Williamson and Page Appears various
releases.
Bad Company - session or two
Mason Ruffner - first record...
Marianne Faithfull
"Diamonds"
by Jet Harris & Tony Meehan
"Somebody Told My Girl"
by Carter-Lewis & the Southerners
"The Feminist Look"
by Mickey Most
"Talking About You"
by the Redcaps
"Roll Over Beethoven"
by Pat Wayne & the beachcombers
"Money Honey"
by Micky Most
"That's Allright"
by Mickey Most
"My Baby Left Me"
By Dave Berry
"Leave My Kitten Alone"
by The First Gear
"A Certain Girl"
by The First Gear
"Don't You Dig This Kinda Beat"
by Chris Ravel & the Ravers
"Once in a While"
by The Brooks
"Night Comes Down"
by Mickey Finn
"Little by Little"
by The Pickwicks
"I Just Can't Go to Sleep"
by The Sneekers
"She Just Satisfies"
by Jimmy Page
"Keep Movin'"
by Jimmy Page
"Is it True"
by Brenda Lee
"Leaves Come Tumbling Down"
Judi Smith (written by Page/DeShannon)
"Get a Load of This"
by Neil Christian & the Crusaders
"You Said"
by The Primitives
"How do you Fall"
by The Primitives
"Surprise, Surprise"
by LuLu & The Luuvers
"Hot House of Omagarashid"
by The Yardbirds (previously unreleased_
"I'm Confused"
by The Yardbirds (listed as previously unreleased although I have
seen it around on a Yardbirds rarity/overpriced
album.)
"Garden of my Mind"
by Mickey Finn
"You're the One"
by Philamore Lincoln
"Just Like Anyone Would Do"
by The Fifth Avenue, produced by Page
"Zoom, Widge, and Wag"
by Bobbie Graham
"Bald Headed Woman"
by The Sneekers
Also, Tubby Hayes and many others who even he can't recall.
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| 2407.23 | | DNEAST::BOTTOM_DAVID | UNIX is cool... | Thu Dec 19 1991 14:57 | 6 |
| FWIW I once read an interview with Ritchie Blackmore where Ritchie said
that back in the early 60's studio's needing a good rock lead always called
"Pagey" or himself to record, but more often "Pagey".
dbii
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| 2407.24 | ? | NAVY5::SDANDREA | plonkers 'r' us | Fri Dec 20 1991 09:30 | 6 |
| RE: long list of credits...neat info!
You listed Page as working with the Outsiders....do you know which
song? Was that JP on "Time Won't Let Me"?
Steve (just curious)
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| 2407.25 | The Outsiders and some rambling all over... | SOURCE::ZAPPIA | label me, I'll label you | Sat Dec 21 1991 17:39 | 163 |
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I don't know anyone who substance abuse or addictions of any kind
has helped. As for him not doing much since John Bonham's death
besides two records with the Firm and his solo Outrider project
he has been around for 30 years, I don't think he needs a comeback,
comparing Zep and his post work is sort of apple-orange like. When
he finally joined the Yardbirds it was probably a bit of a rest after
doing the 2-3 sessions a day for quite some time during the session
and production days at Immediate, etc. The outings at Live Aid,
Atlantic's 40th anniversay, and Knewborth '90, with Aerosmith, even
Poison, etc. may not have been any playing to write home about but
for anyone who was there I think it becomes more of an event due to
high expectations than he could even not always meet in the Zep days.
I forget where I read it but even then over a 3 show period it was
like one-in-three, one show would be something truly special while
the others were okay.
I believe it was "Keep on Doing It" / "Songs We Sang Last Night"
DECCA (F12213) 1965. I'll check other references and will definately
come back to this topic.
As for the comment about "Achiles Last Stand" I believe Page commented
that it has always been one of his favorite tracks and as someone
said it was not re-mixed but none of the tracks on Remasters/the box
set were. They were just ED'd.
As for the solo thing supposeldy PYE has a version with Page
doing the solo but I don't really care I still enjoy the
song today,
As for "In Through the Outdoor" clearly John Paul Jones was far
more in front both in sound and cerative form. A bootleg of
the near final mix of this does exist, "In Through the Outakes..."
one more reference... (next unseen now or...)
While browsing in a record store the other day I noticed how
very similar theg lyrics to Elton John's Vah-hala from "Empty
Sky" are to "Immigrant Song" but here's some more...
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Mostly from Goldmine, August 24, 1990...w/o...a Robert Godwin article.
"Black Mountain Side" was originally a vocal favorite by Bert Jansch
called "Black Water Side". {See Pentangle and solo work.}
"Communication Breakdown" - ..."extraordinary rearrangement of Eddie
Cochran's staccato guitar part from his huge '50s hit "Nervous
Breakdown".
"Whole Lotta Love" - {we've probably all heard about the Willie Dixon's
out of court settlement on this one some years later when he recognized
the lyrics as being from his "You Need Love"but} "...the arrangement was
more towards the Small Faces' "You Need Lovin'" {I wonder what ever
happened with their doing "I Can't Quit You..." which was obviously
just their cover version.}
"How Many More Times" - "an ingenious combination of "How Many More
Years" written by Howlin' Wolf (Chester Burnett) and "The Hunter"
written by Booker T. Jones, along with MG's Steve Cropper and Donald
"Duck" Dunn who were the backing band for the great Albert King."
"The Lemon Song" - "...which was clever adaptation of "Killing Floor"
by Chester Burnett. combined with Robert Johnson's lyrics from
"Travelin' Riverside Blues". Early U.K. pressing credited
Burnett. {Side track, Led Zeppelin I - Robert Plant was still
under license with CBS (?) and as result could not be credited
where credit was do (- creative forces kicked in during later
years or simply that's when they were allowed to take over...
actually when Page was relived to have Robert at the helms
lyrically.
"Bring It On Home" was also written by Willie Dixon for Sonny Boy
Williamson."
"Gallow's Pole" was originally written by Huddy (better known as
Leadbelly) Ledbetter in the 1920s! Although Page says he was
originally inspired by a later performance, there can be no question
that some of Leadbelley's guitar parts found a home in songs
like "Bron-y-Aur Stomp". "Hat's Off To (Roy) Harper was a tribute
England's eccentric folk singer, although it was more a tribute
to how many old blues lyrics Robert could squeeze into one song.
Listen to Sonny Terry's "Custard Pie" and Bukka White's "Shake
'Em On Down" recorded in 1963, among others." {Also, see earlier
reference to "Death Letter" by Son House.
"The drum intro into "Rock And Roll" was John Bonham having a
flashback to Little Richards's "Keep A-Knockin'". {I forget the
drummer who this probably was....Alan???}
"In My Time of Dying" has been mentioned already but this was
the same lyrics as Bob Dylan in the early '60s, it was a reworking
of Blind Willie Johnson's "Jesus Make Up My Dying Bed", recorded
in 1927.
Also, "Nobody's Fault But Mine" was made up from Willie's "It's
Nobody's Fault But Mine". {Willie did some fine guitar work on
his original and it's no wonder that Page...Other than the words
you may never recognized them as the same songs, likewise with
Robert Johnson original Travelin' Riverside Blues" but there's
no doubt if the foundation is solid....}
"Just as "Trampled Underfoot" was about a car so was R.J.'s
"Terraplane Blues". The words were not taken but it's been said
that Johnson's guitar arrangement can be heard on the keyboards of
Trampled."
On the other side of the fence, Plant's solo album "Now and Zen"
the song "Heaven Knows" was simply a rewrite of Kashmir and the
cycle continues....{Robert didn't even pick up on it. I'll have to
pay close attention next time I hear it.} Also "Tie Die on the
Highway" can be traced back to Jimmy's track "Glimpses"...during
the Yardbird days.
"Boogie with Stu" was nothing more or less than a great performance
of Ritchie Valen's "Ooh My Head."
"Hots On For Nowhere" was quite similar to Jimmy's "Union Car Jack"
which he wrote for Screaming Lord Sutch in 1970 although Plant's
lyrics were much better."
"Tea For One" was similar in feeling to "Since I've Been Loving You"
which borrowed some lyrics from a Moby Grape track {Plant liked 'em!}
"I've seen an old blues record with a title "In the Evening" but I've
never been able to find it again. Even though it was just curiosity
I should have picked it up and gave it a listen! "Again Page borrowed
from his own past, although it was probably subconsciously - "Gloria"
the huge '60's hit for Van Morrison and Them." I don't entirely agree
with this, the guitar work isn't that similar to "In The Evening".}
"Ben E. Kings "We're Gonna Groove".
The kettle has gone dry or I have...
Just a couple comments;
Would I be enjoying Robert Johnson and many other early blues artists
now if not for this band? Possibly not. Just by some of the titles
and lyrics being used so expicitly in some cases I tend to look
positively on their manner in doing so. I've always said credits
could have been handlled differently but it's easy to say what should
have been. After all, even though I really enjoy the early
Rolling Stones it's interesting to note a entire record called
"Stoned Alchemy" which features the originals to many of their songs.
Also, some tracks like "Nobody's Fault" and "Travelen'... are hardly
what I would call simple covers. 'nough on that/this.
I have ran across some of these original tracks while browsing the
'ole blues bins and such but for the most part it's been stumbling,
and mainly a fact of being there for the enjoyment of the early blues
not to be searching outright. At least not consciously!
- Jim
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If you're interested in Jimmy's pre and post Zeppelin work, i.e.,
sessions and quest appearances then check out the April '91 edition
of Music Collector. It's very interesting and informative.
{It also features articles on Eric Clapton, The Creation, and Jimi
Hendrix.}
I knew about most of his sessions and guest spots as mentined in
previous replies but I wasn't aware of these:
Paul Bedford? - ? means not confirmed.
Hedgehoppers Annoynmous
Heinz
Kenny & Denny
Bon Jovi Nordoff Robbins - Humm? He wasn't at the
Knebworth '90 show
Eric Clapton - Wonderful Tonight (boot)
Ian Whitcomb?
Just some more to keep my eyes out for and maybe they'll appear on
Volume III of the James Patrick Page Session Man series.
Also Jimmy has cleared the way for Strange Fruit, the same label
re-releasing a lot of the John Peel session series will be
releasing some of the original BBC early radio shows.
I also found it interesting that while it's often written that
Neil Chritian's Crusaders was the first band Jimmy was in I
read that Red. E. Lewis and the Redcaps (a track appears on
the sesssion man series - I should have noted that it was an earlier
date than stuff with Neil...) who then evolved into Johnny Kidd
and the Pirates was his first. Who knows?
- Jim
.....
Aas well as sessions with the folkster Davey Graham, tracks with the
late Joe Meek producer, etc.
This question is probably silly in this forum but please excuse my
ignorance!...
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SOURCE::ZAPPIA "label me, I'll label you" 7 lines 19-DEC-1991 12:39
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Maybe some of you players out there can answer; How do TABS show
sequences of music whereby an overdub is played? Do they simply
generally leave it out and show the the main notes/riff or is
it shown on separate staffs?
- Jim
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This question was prompted by being curious how songs such as
"Achilles Last Stand" or any other song with many overdubs are
represented in music books, etc.
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| 2407.27 | | USPMLO::DESROCHERS | Mine's made outta unobtainium! | Wed Oct 12 1994 07:35 | 13 |
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Well, here's an old note. Start at .0 and see who replied and
have since left. Oh well...
So, anyone taping tonite's MTV UnLedded. From the one tune I
heard and the reviews in the paper, I am. The tune I heard had
Page on 12-string - I liked it!
Personally, I'd love to see Page come back in great form. Who
knows, maybe he can? Maybe there's one more Zep I left it him.
Let's see... Bob Conroy has the tape at his desk...
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| 2407.28 | tape alert! | HPCGRP::BIRCSAK | What's all this, then? | Wed Oct 12 1994 09:44 | 1 |
| what time does it start?
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| 2407.29 | Not Bad... | POWDML::TNELSON | On a Beer day you can Pee forever | Thu Oct 13 1994 10:40 | 16 |
| Any comments?
I thought it was pretty good! Not what I expected but pretty good
neverless. Yeah I know Jimmy's body is drug ridden and Plant can't
wail like he used to, but it sure was nice seeing them together
again. I really liked the version of Nobody's fault but mine! Real
slow and basic, just a throaty vocal with a back up rhythm.
Looking forward to the tour...
What the h*ll was that box Jimmy kept playing with during one of their
songs, he looked pretty stupid! It was the one where they were surrounded
by people.
Ted
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| 2407.30 | Totally opposite reaction | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | db | Thu Oct 13 1994 12:17 | 16 |
| Gee, I thought it was incredibly boring, and I'm a big Zep fan.
I tuned in during the seemingly endless and mindboggling repetitive
"india jam" (where he used the box, which I think is an old analog
tape echo unit btw).
The same two bar chord progression over and over and over...
I was watching them looking so serious and "into it" and thinking
"they have to be faking their interest, it's just far too boring
to do one thing like that for 10 minutes and stay in it".
There was another jam after that that was only half as boring. The
acoustic set at the end was OK, but I thought "Kashmir" with the
orchestra was just lame. Everyone looked bored, particularly the
string players.
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| 2407.31 | what's sad is that he doesn't know it yet | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Thu Oct 13 1994 12:44 | 1 |
| Page is HISTORY! Better living through chemicals has ruined him.
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| 2407.32 | | GOES11::HOUSE | How could I have been so blind? | Thu Oct 13 1994 13:04 | 1 |
| Was John Paul Jones with them?
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| 2407.33 | | RICKS::CALCAGNI | There's no money to be made above the 5th fret | Thu Oct 13 1994 13:39 | 3 |
| Of course not; he was the only one in that band that ever had any sense
:-)
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| 2407.34 | | POWDML::TNELSON | On a Beer day you can Pee forever | Thu Oct 13 1994 13:59 | 12 |
| Re. .30
Yeah, without a doubt those two (if you want to call them that) songs
where he played with the box and the one after it I believe where they
were sitting in a circle were dogs! No quarter, Battle of Evermore (?)
and Hangman were pretty good. Jimmy really played it safe though by
primarily playing chords through the majority of the songs. I expected
some intricate accoustic guitar playing but it never happened, this was
the let down for me. I think they wanted to make a big emphasis on how
the Indian Music has influenced theirs, unfortunately being a bit
overblown at times in the process.
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| 2407.35 | | HOTLNE::LUCHT | Triple Bock is here! | Fri Oct 14 1994 06:38 | 6 |
| John Paul Jones is busy producing some upcoming Heart
CD. I think he's overseeing another "unplugged" deal
here. Who knows, who cares?!?
Kev --
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| 2407.36 | Love the Zep... | ICS::CONROY | | Mon Oct 17 1994 10:59 | 13 |
| This was on again last night. I thought it was great!
Dave, you tuned in at a bad time. That was the worst song they did.
I liked the fact that they took some of the songs which were a bit
more sophisticated and had some subtlety and rearranged them. I like the
way they wove in the middle eastern sounds. I think they did that
very well.
I thought "Kashmir" was the best tune. Great arrangement.
I didn't think the orchestra looked bored at all. Remember these
are "serious" musicians; they always look like that... ;)
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| 2407.37 | | RICKS::CALCAGNI | There's no money to be made above the 5th fret | Mon Oct 17 1994 12:04 | 14 |
| Yeah, saw it over the weekend too; it was better than I expected.
That box Jimmy was fiddling with was an Echoplex.
I thought Plant was a big letdown. His voice sounds shot and he seems
to have forgotten how to build any excitement with it. The vocals on
"Since I've Been Loving You" were particularly lame imo.
What was that funny instrument with the crank? A hurdy gurdy? I want
one!
I don't think the orchstra was bored; I think they were thinking about
how much they were getting paid per note. I think it was a lot.
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| 2407.38 | I Enjoyed "Unleaded" | BRAT::PAGE | | Mon Oct 17 1994 12:10 | 22 |
|
Finally got around to catching some of the "Unleaded" show Sunday
afternoon. Though I missed the first half, I thought it was really
good.
I liked the ethnic additions to the songs, I thought many of the
altered versions were excellent (not better, but excellent in their own
right), and I particularly liked the different outdoor settings.
I thought Plant sounded better than he has in years (I remember his
Zeppelin-esque performances at Live Aid and the Atlantic Records bash
were pretty bad), and though Jimmy laid back quite a bit, I felt he
played great on some songs, "Since I Been Loving You" in particular.
I wish more of the "unplugged"-style of shows took more chances
like this one did.
Brad
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| 2407.39 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Mon Oct 17 1994 18:14 | 2 |
| what is the name of that wierd sounding/looking instrument that was
being played?
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| 2407.40 | Always glad to help | DREGS::BLICKSTEIN | db | Tue Oct 18 1994 09:39 | 4 |
| > what is the name of that wierd sounding/looking instrument that was
> being played?
Those are called "drums" Mike.
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| 2407.41 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Tue Oct 18 1994 11:03 | 9 |
| I already knew that one, db. I meant another wierd instrument being
played during a couple Page songs. It had a crank on one end, some
strings on it, and while playing it, the guy appeared to be changing up
the tone by covering some holes up. He was cranking the crank at the
beat of the music at all times. It had a bagpipe-like sound.
Anyone?
Mike
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| 2407.42 | | DNEAST::BOTTOM_DAVID | anti-EMM! anti-EMM! I hate expanded memory!- Dorothy | Tue Oct 18 1994 11:06 | 5 |
| According to usenet that was a "hurdy gurdy"
I certainly feel enlightened.
dbii who thought they (P&P) should have stayed home
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| 2407.43 | Sounds like a hurdy-gurdy (notes collision) | ANGST::BECK | Paul Beck | Tue Oct 18 1994 11:07 | 8 |
| re .41
That's a hurdy-gurdy. The crank turns a wooden wheel over which the
strings (wrapped in wads of cotton to avoid breakage) are stretched;
the motion of the wheel induces vibration in the strings. There are
stops along the body of the instrument to vary the pitch.
I don't have one. Wouldn't mind one, though. Neat instrument.
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| 2407.45 | I have one of those! | GOES11::HOUSE | How could I have been so blind? | Tue Oct 18 1994 11:11 | 1 |
| All around the mulberry bush, the monkey chased the weasel...
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| 2407.46 | | ANGST::BECK | Paul Beck | Tue Oct 18 1994 11:12 | 2 |
| I didn't think the crank organs were stringed instruments like the
hurdy gurdy. I could be wrong.
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| 2407.47 | | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Tue Oct 18 1994 11:38 | 1 |
| How much $$ does a hurdy gurdy go for?
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| 2407.49 | | ANGST::BECK | Paul Beck | Tue Oct 18 1994 11:52 | 13 |
| re .47
I have no idea how much they'd sell for, but if I had to guess, from
the ones I've seen, I'd guess in the $500-1000 range depending on
ornamentation. The instrument is pretty simple. I'd be surprised if
there are any "manufactured" hurdy gurdies - my guess is they're all
custom made.
Last week or the week before, on Dick Pleasant's folk show on
WGBH-FM, they had on a French Canadian band whose lead played (and
made) hurdy gurdies. A call to WGBH might give you the name. Also,
you might be able to find out through the Music Emporium in
Lexington.
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| 2407.50 | | BUSY::FISED::SLABOUNTY | Looking out for number one, I stepped in number two. | Tue Oct 18 1994 13:16 | 7 |
|
I think crank organs are based on the same principle as a player
piano ... a wheel that makes contact with a metal [?] flapper
that vibrates according to the ups/downs on the wheel.
GTI
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| 2407.51 | ;^) | NETCAD::HERTZBERG | History: Love it or Leave it! | Tue Oct 18 1994 14:47 | 1 |
| My E-Mu "Vintage Hurdy-Gurdy" unit covers that sound.
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| 2407.52 | | STAR::BENSON | Musical Weapons Research | Tue Oct 18 1994 16:01 | 8 |
| re: Note 2407.49 by ANGST::BECK "Paul Beck"
BTW, Paul, you should try to catch part of that show. Page plays
another interesting instrument, which you need: A triple neck
acoustic/electric mandolin/6-string guitar/12-string guitar! Just
the ticket for eliminating those annoying instrument swaps at gigs.
Tom
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| 2407.53 | Ah .. a way to avoid page swaps, right? | ANGST::BECK | Paul Beck | Tue Oct 18 1994 16:14 | 1 |
| Does it come with an integral back brace?
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| 2407.54 | Hot Tuna in a box | COOKIE::LAMBERT | Sam, Storage Mgmt. S/W @CXO | Tue Oct 18 1994 16:24 | 9 |
| > -< Ah .. a way to avoid page swaps, right? >-
Oh, yuck! :-)
I need a double neck acoustic guitar and bass combo, myself. The bass
part can be electric, if that makes it any easier...
-- Sam
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| 2407.55 | I'd be balkan at trying to play it, though | ANGST::BECK | Paul Beck | Tue Oct 18 1994 17:20 | 2 |
| Let's go for something properly unique. Like a triple-neck bouzouki,
hurdy-gurdy, and balalaika.
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| 2407.56 | | DNEAST::BOTTOM_DAVID | anti-EMM! anti-EMM! I hate expanded memory!- Dorothy | Wed Oct 19 1994 07:04 | 7 |
| truely unique?
How about a french horn, kettle drum and xylophone?
At least you could use the same mallets on the xy and the drums...
dbii who thinks it would sound as good as P&P did
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| 2407.57 | it's like kozmic, man | RICKS::CALCAGNI | There's no money to be made above the 5th fret | Wed Oct 19 1994 08:50 | 2 |
| didn't both Page and JPJ play on Donovan's "Hurdy Gurdy Man"?
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| 2407.58 | | TRUCKS::GORE | Bar Sinister with Pedant Rampant | Mon Oct 31 1994 06:30 | 7 |
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> didn't both Page and JPJ play on Donovan's "Hurdy Gurdy Man"?
Don't know, but the guitar credits went to Jeff Beck.
Ian G.
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| 2407.59 | JPJ | COMICS::PARRY | Trevor Parry | Mon Oct 31 1994 07:41 | 7 |
| John Paul Jones was on a late night/early morning rock TV program (I
think it was "Noisy Mothers") in the UK. When asked why he wasn't
involved in the reunion he said that the first he knew about it was
when he read about it in the papers! He was playing on a record with
a girl with long black hair.
tp
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| 2407.60 | | RICKS::CALCAGNI | I thought I made a mistake but I was wrong | Mon Oct 31 1994 09:24 | 6 |
| The girl with long black hair is Diamanda Galas. She's a sort of
avante-garde/rock singer, like Yoko Ono but less accessible :-)
JPJ just produced and played on her new record, a "power trio"
with Diamanda's vox on lead.
/rick
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| 2407.61 | didn't think it was possible | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Mon Oct 31 1994 11:21 | 3 |
| > avante-garde/rock singer, like Yoko Ono but less accessible :-)
This just boggles my mind.
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| 2407.62 | Check 'em out! | SACHA::IDC_BSTR | Oh no! NOT Milan Kundera again! | Tue Oct 17 1995 07:50 | 31 |
| If you're interested in hearing the guitarist who (allegedly) had the
greatest influence on Jimmy Page at the beginning of the sixties, grab
any CD by Johnny Kidd and the Pirates (there are two on the See For
Miles label).
The man in question is Mick Green, and his mixed rhythm/lead style is
quite something. I'd already heard one or two of the band's most famous
tracks (I'm sure everyone is familiar with the classic riff of "Shaking
All Over") but I'd never listened to an entire album until I recently
picked up their "Classic & Rare" collection...and what a treat!
This is early sixties beat/R&B/rockabilly that actually pre-dates the
Beatles. The songs are very strong (excellent originals, plus covers
like "Shop Around" and "You've Got What It Takes") and the band sound
really gritty. I'd love to have seen them live - not least because
Johnny Kidd (who died in a car accident in the mid-sixties) was one of
the classic wild men of rock & roll.
Green's guitar-playing sounds vastly different from the twangy Hank
Marvin/Dwaine Eddy style that was in vogue at the time, and he really
lets rip on a couple of tracks. You can see why the young Jimmy Page
was fascinated, although tonally they're worlds apart (I definitely
prefer Mick Green's sound...you can almost smell the valves!). Green
obviously had more of a rockabilly influence too.
Come to think of it, I've also got an R&B compilation where a 1979
reincarnation of the Pirates do a cracking version of Johnny Burnette's
"Tear It Up". Green's opening riff on this is storming.
Dom
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