Conference napalm::guitar

    Sam Ash has them in their catalog (I received a card last week that a
    new one is on the way).  The last catalog I received was about 1 year 
    ago.  Here are some prices:
    
    TC 2290 - $2195.95 
         It boasts a 25kHz bandwidth and 100db dynamic range.  Sampling up
         to 64 seconds, chorus, flange.  Pretty much the standard that
         others are judged by.
    
    TC 1210 - $1049.95
         This is the Spatial Expander/Stereo Chorus/Stereo Flanger used by
         Eric Johnson and Phil Keaggy (I'm sure there's many more).  True
         stereo analog delay with .03% distortion, 20kHz bandwidth, 100db
         dynamic range.  May also be used as 2 independent chorus/flangers.
    
    TC 1128 - $2100.95
         Spectrum Analyzer & Graphic EQ
    
    TC 1144 - $499.95
         Bass preamp
    
    TC 2240 - $895.95
         Hi speed Stereo Parametric EQ
    
    Then there's the chorus/flange footpedal that goes for around $250.
    You can buy Mr. Busenbark's(sp?) for less than that ;-)  I hear Larry
    Carlton uses this, fwiw.
    
    Mike
    

    Why not just get an H3000 and be done with it?
    
    8^)

Well, the rig in question had a 2290 *and* a 1210.

Eeeesh.

Re mike.... Mr Busenbark? I'm not that old!!!!!!
    
    
	I have a TCE catalog's which show's there pedal line which they
stop making a few years ago. It contains spec's etc. When I bought my
Chorus/Flange/PM it came without a manual. I called TC and they were
interested where I bought the pedal as they had people who wanted them
and were unable to get them. The first question they had was "are you
interested in selling it" they sent me a copy of the manual free and I also 
asked for lit on there lines. The 2290 was something I got lit on as I've
heard several of them. $$$$$
	I did several side by side compares of chorus with the boss stuff,a 
quadraverb,midiverb,DSP 128X's and I really heard exactly what I wanted
in the TC. The flange is pretty impressive,and the PM helps fatten the 
sound up.
	One of the important features was the 20 to 20khz FR and s/n ratio
spec's. Theres a warmth I hear...
	The only reason I have it for sale is that my needs have changed 
towards needing a better multieffect processor for recording and other 
toy's. :^)    However if you get into a 2290,you'd have to change your 
    Midi rack puke signature..... :^) 
	
							Rick

Why would I need to change my signature from MIDI Rack Puke ??
The TC is MIDI !

jc (Who was BLOWN away by the 2290 !!)

    	Because this would definately up your class of rack....beyond the 
    Puke classification....
    
    	ie Midi Rack ......(fill in)
    
				    2290 is tasteful!!!!!
    
    							Rick
    			
    

MIDI Rack Puke (Esq.) ???

    MIDI Rack Vomit

    Ahhhhhhhhhh the tc 2290! Now we are talking serious lust... the sort of
    lust that destroys relationships!! :^)
    
    I tried one a couple of years back, and have been hankering ever since.
    Note that Mike's note .1 is a little misleading - the tc2290 comes in
    several "flavours". The cheapest has only 4 seconds sampling, but is
    upgradeable in 4 second chunks (well, chips actually) up to 64 seconds.
    The $2195 price is almost certainly for the cheapest model (the rush us
    about �1500 for those in the UK).
    
    A couple of well-cool things about the 2290 that haven't been mentioned
    yet:
    
    - it'll control up to 5 MIDI devices 
    
    - it's got a "tap-in" function on the delay, in other words, tap a
    button on the front panel twice, and that's the delay time it'll use.
    Great for setting the repeats with the drummer...
    
    One of these days, I'm gonna get one of these babies... I even gave tc a
    good reference in a magazine article I did, but they didn't mail me one
    as a "thank you" gift :^( 
    
    Nick

Re: tap delay on 2290

The Playmate function on the Roland SDE3000 does this also, but only up to 8 
seconds.

Re: 2290 and 1210 in the same rack

Unless they aren't multieffect units, this seems like overkill and too much 
duplication.

Mike (who will never be able to afford them)

    The Roland SDE3000 may do the same but lack's the 20 to 20k fr where
    all the overtones/partials fall.... big tone/sound change I'd expect
    the SDE to go to 12k at best and will probably get pretty mushy.....
    
    Midi rack Priest...?  nah not from what you say your rep is......
    
						:^)
    
    
    							Rick
    

      A biggie with the TC2290 is the Dynamic Delay function where the 
    delay kicks in only after you stop playing. Makes it nice for 
    un-muddying solos. The only other device I know of that does this is
    the Rocktron Intellifex which calls it a Delay Ducker. 
      I also lusted for a TC2290, but I think that the Intellifex offers
    much of the same quality (features, bandwith, durability) for a much
    more reasonable price. I'm really surprised that dbii and I are the 
    only ones with these units. But - if I had a chance to pick up a 
    2290 at a great price (like $1000), I might consider it. 
    $2000? That's a Marshall stack with money left over for stomp boxes!!!
      Oh Yeah - When I saw Robben Ford play, he used a TC2290. Of course
    he also had two Dumble Overdrive Specials so I don't think money is
    a consideration.
    
    							-B()()M-

    I've achieved the same thing in the studio by using a compressor
    to duck the reverb - you can hear it on "I'm Gonna Love You Forever"
    on one of the Guitar notes tape during the solo.
    
    NOwadays I'm more inclined to do it the way Morse does it - he uses
    a pedal to bring the effect in and out.  It gives you more control
    (more of a pain too but...) and it's trivial on the Roland GP-16.

    Anyone see the new TC Electronic M5000 unit in the new Sam Ash catalog?
    I think those dudes are way serious!

    Posted with Steve Jensens permission - Thought you'd like to hear 
    Steves review of the TC Chorus Pedal.  Sounds BITCHIN!!
    jc
    
You have my permission to post whatever you think people would be generally
interested in...

steve

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From:	KDX200::COOPER "Split happens!  29-Nov-1994 1640" 29-NOV-1994 16:35:46.80
To:	COOKIE::S_JENSEN
CC:	
Subj:	RE: Dood!

You should post this in GUITAR, man...


From:	COOKIE::S_JENSEN "Steve Jensen, DTN: 522-2863  29-Nov-1994 1552 -0600" 29-NOV-1994 16:23:09.71
To:	KDX200::COOPER
CC:	
Subj:	RE: Dood!

    The TC is the absolute best sounding chorus ever made period.  It is
    mono->in, stereo->out, which is the only possible drawback.  I
    personally don't need stereo->in, though I can imagine uses for it (of
    course, then you'd have 2 flangers!).  If you're going to buy a chorus,
    get the TC.   It does chorus, flange, and pitch-shift, and has an
    excellent preamplifier that is "on" all the time.  It has depth, speed,
    and mix controls which allow any sort of contour you can imagine.  The
    thing I like about it is that it DOES NOT color the sound of the
    guitar!  Everything is perfectly clear - no loss of fidelity.  I use it
    "inline".  I have not tried it in any effects loop simply because it
    works great where it is.  I'd be surprised if the effects loop didn't
    work just as well or better.  (Also because the AMP I'm using for clean
    sounds doesn't have an effects loop).   The only drawback to using it
    as a stomp is that the selection of chorus/flange/pitch_shift is made
    with a tiny little toggle switch.  So, once that's set it sort of
    difficult to change it.  Hasn't been a problem for me.

    If you've got a 2290, you don't need the TC chorus.  Otherwise, you do.

    
    I'm finding that my BOSS ME-6 is becoming more and more redundant as my
    new amplifiers's overdrive beats the ME-6 and my MicroVerb III leaves
    the ME6 standing (as it should considering they are about the same
    price). At the end of the day the only effect I use consistently on the
    ME-6 is the Chorus. Even this sounds poor against other chorus pedals
    I've heard. You may gather from this I'm not that impressed with the
    ME-6. You'd be right.
    
    So, what I'd like to know is what is acknowledged as being the best
    chorus pedal on the market today? I'm looking for a sweet, acousticy,
    12 stringy sort of sound from my Strat. Must not have the awful digital
    harshness that cheaper digital effects have.
    
    Richard
    Basingstoke, UK

    TC ELectronics Chorus+Flanger. This is an analog chorus with legendary
    sound quality. Larry Carlton's favorite Chorus pedal. They sell for
    ~$200.

    I posted Steve Jensens comments on his TC Chorus - I've yet to hear it
    but respect Steves opinion, and he sez it's the hot-item, so buy one
    of those.
    
    jc

    Pointer to Steve Jensen's note  2397.16
    
    Mark

    Does anybody have an address for t.c. Electronics?
    
    Thanks in advance,
    Kev --
    

	Hi Kev,

	TC Electronics is a 100% danish company, located in the town
	where I live (�rhus)! - and they have an agency in California:


		TC Electronics /Virtual Designs
		705 Lake field Road Suite A
		Westlake Village
		California 91361
		805 373 1828

	Poul

    
    Thanks Poul!!!!
    
    Kev --
    

    Hey Poul!!  Can you get us good deals on 2290's?
    
    :-)

    
    haha! If you hear about the price index in Denmark (compared to US),
    I think you'll forget anything about any deals from me!!
    
    ;^)
    

    It's kind of like buying Canadian beer in Canada vs USA. A case of
    Molson's in USA cost under $20. In Canada (where it is brewed) it
    sells for ~$60.00 Canadian money. The 20% currency exchange rate
    does not account for the 3x differance in price. It's mostly taxes
    that the Canadians charge to pay for their National Health program
    and other government programs. 
    
    Ludicrous, but that's politics!
    

   Molson (as well as other Canadian beers) are also significantly higher in
   alcohol content in their home country than what is exported to the US.
   Somewhere in the vicinity of 12-15% alc. up there, whereas the stuff we see
   is about 8%.  I only know this out of professional interest, understand, as
   I'm a homebrewer.  :-)

   -- Sam

    -1
    
    Molson Brador is the nads!!!!!!  Unfortunately you'd have
    better luck digging for gold in the hills of Massachusetts
    than finding a cold rack of that anywhere.
    
    Kev --