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Conference napalm::guitar

Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

2395.0. "Ton Van Bergeyk" by ZYDECO::MCABEE (A semaphore named Godot) Thu Dec 05 1991 14:43

Anybody know about the Dutch guitar player, Ton Van Bergeyk?  He made some 
albums for Kicking Mule in the '70's - ragtime, ragtime blues and old jazz
standards.  He had some pretty impressive fingerstyle arrangements.  I thought
he would have a good career, but I haven't heard anything about him in at 
least a dozen years.  Anybody know what happened to him?

Bob
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2395.1turn on autopilotCHEFS::IMMSAadrift on the sea of heartbreakThu Dec 12 1991 07:418
    Saw him at the Cambridge (UK) Folk Festival some years back.
    
    He had mastered Blind Blakes guitar playing to the note but he stripped
    all the soul out.
    
    Technically brilliant, but automatic, like a player piano.
    
    andy
2395.2ZYDECO::MCABEEA semaphore named GodotThu Dec 12 1991 15:5513
I think the Blind Blake material honed his chops a lot (that stuff is 
extremely difficult to pull off!), but he seemed to be much more in the groove
with the classic rags and jazzy stuff.  

Actually, I've never heard anybody who could play Blind Blake with all the
technique AND soul.  The technique alone is as demanding as virtuoso classical
pieces.  Ry Cooder can do some semi-satisfying watered down versions, but the
real mastery is obviously not there.  Leon Redbone probably comes closer than 
anybody, but he won't record his best guitar playing.  You have to catch him 
live to appreciate what he can do.


Bob
2395.3Thumbs up for Redbone!GOES11::G_HOUSETommy The CatFri Dec 13 1991 11:537
    I know absolutely nothing about Blind Blake, but I will have to say
    that Leon Redbone is an absolute must not miss!  He puts on a great
    show!
    
    I haven't seen him in a few years, does he still tour?
    
    Greg
2395.4Still TouringSAHQ::ROSENKRANZLess is MoreFri Dec 13 1991 12:345
    re .3
    
    Leon Redbone was recently through Atlanta but I didn't catch his show
    
    jim
2395.5PHAROS::SAKELARISFri Dec 13 1991 12:427
    This is definitely rathole from the topic but � wanna know more about
    Redbone. I never thought of him as a guitar player, just someone who
    uses guitar to sing with. Is he really good, or just good at what he
    does?
    
    "sakman" who wouldn't mind seeing anybody, but probably wouldn't
    otherwise be inclined to see Redbone.
2395.6Dry...make that arid...sense of humorWEDOIT::KELLYJMaster of rhythm, Phd in swingFri Dec 13 1991 13:009
    Re .3: He still tours...I stage managed a show last summer that included 
           him for Folktree Concerts in Boston.  He had a woman playing dobro 
    	   and a trombonist as the band. Somehow, it was very appropriate 
           instrumentation.
    
    Re .4: Worth checking out from a guitarist's point-of-view, IMHO.  He
           tends to play block melodic chord passages...sorta ragtime Joe 
           Pass.  I got the feeling he could play 'better' than he did,
           but the guitar playing is a prop for his quirky persona.
2395.7rathole cont'd, apologies to TonZYDECO::MCABEEA semaphore named GodotFri Dec 13 1991 17:0110
Leon tends to not focus on the guitar playing, especially on albums.  His 
recorded playing often sounds like he's just playing rhythm for the band.
I've seen him live a few times and he did a lot more guitar work, but still
favors the band vs having the guitar stand out.  He did occasionaly play
some pretty neat stuff.  I've heard that, in jams, he has made some prominent 
jaws drop.  He probably doesn't want to get pigeonholed as a ragtime guitar 
player.  They tend to be pretty obscure.


Bob
2395.8pickin' the bluesCHEFS::IMMSAadrift on the sea of heartbreakThu Dec 19 1991 07:4719
    Rathole continued.....
    
    re a few back...
    
    Blind Blake, along with Lonnie Johnson, are the two most technically
    brilliant guitar players who ever pulled on a G string (pardon :-0 ).
    
    Stands back and waits for the flack.
    
    OK - listen to "Playing with the strings" by Lonnie Johnson and "West
    Coast Blues" by Blake and tell me that you have ever heard greater
    playing, cos I would like to hear it if you have.
    
    And this from the person who thinks that Ry Cooder is the messiah. :-)
    
    
    andy
    
    
2395.9ZYDECO::MCABEEA semaphore named GodotThu Dec 19 1991 15:323
Poor Ton.  We can't even stick to the subject in his very own topic. :^)

Bob
2395.10CD out soonEICMFG::THOMPSONMon Mar 30 1992 11:588
    
    Just heard that a CD is due out (or maybe is out by now). I guess its
    of his old stuff, on the Shanachie label. 
    
    I'll be getting myself a copy if i can find it, i never did get all of
    Tons records before they were deleted.
    
    Pete