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    I think I'll wait for the next LPMG blow-out!!
    8^)

    Gee, I have a nice Marshall JCM800 that gives me a sound VERY like the
    EVH "brown" sound.  Didn't cost $1100 bucks either!  
    
    Eddie says he recorded a lot of stuff on For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge
    (gad, I hate that album title  ;^() using the Peavey head.  Gee, to me
    it sounds more like his old stuff (pre 5150) then anything else he's
    used.  Guess it can't be all bad...
    
    Greg

    Oh yeah, I was just thinking...
    
    What's BROWN and sounds like a bell?

    Eddie lost it tone-wise when he switched to that Bradshaw rack system. 
    The compressor into exciter into stereo chorus into delay did nothing
    for the "Brown" sound!  His tone is much better with the new Peavey's,
    but I still like his older "Marshall's are melting" tone.

    Admit it Buck ... Eddie didn't loose it ... he never had it, right ?
    
    Scary

    Don't be playing Devil's Advocate Scare' (pronounced Shar Day!)...I
    actually liked his tone on VH II/W&CF a LOT.  Everything after, well...
    
    Buck, who just never wanted to learn any of Eddie's tap-monger licks

    A couple GFTPM issues back, Eddie described the 3 amps used on the F***
    album.  The 5150 and Bradshaw were 2 of them, but I forget the third. 
    He said the used the 3rd one on most of the album.  If I recall
    correctly, the 5150 is used on "Poundcake" only.
    
    Mike

    a Soldano perhaps???
    

     
    
      Gee Buck - Aren't you gonna buy one? It would be *REAL* interesting
    doing a A/B comparison with a JCM900 DR stack and the store that
    ordered the 5150 happens to have both.
      Is there a trend here? First Ampeg launches its first serious guitar
    stack since the venerable V4. Then Peavey goes for the big-bucks AND
    famous endorser approach. PRS and Jackson tried to bump into the big
    stack market (as well as some other company that starts with a K), but
    only time will tell as to who the survivors will be. Maybe we'll
    see a big LPMG type of deal down the road a ways.
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    							_-KHaB()()M-
    
      -should I just use my M1 stack during this round of stackmania?
    

    
    RE .3
    
    			DUNG!!!
    

    I read that interview and I thought what Eddie said was that he used
    his old Marshall (the original one he used on almost all the old
    albums) and the Peavey on most of the songs.  I don't remember him
    talking about the Bradshaw rig, but the Soldano kind of rings a bell.
    
    Guess I could try and find it and see what he really said...
    
    Greg

    I think the only `stack' makers are Marshall.  Hell, that's what
    everyone compares `their' stack to, so why bother ?  Unless it's a LOT
    cheaper.
    
    I'd like to hear one of these though.  I've heard a couple Peavey tube
    amps that sounded *real* nice.  
    
    Scary (pronuced `hair_is_meant')  

>    I think the only `stack' makers are Marshall.  
    
    Naw, there are lots of amp makers that make stacks.  Peavey (before
    they got EVH to endorse 'em), Carvin, others mentioned here...
    
    But you're right, Marshall seems to be the standard that people compare
    rock & roll amps to.
    
    Greg

    I can't help but have visions of my first tube amp here...
    
    A "Mace" with a quartet of 6L6's.  Ick!
    
    But I'd try one.  Hey - saw a Soho preamp on sale for $250
    (It was $450 until I mentioned I knew about LPMG).  :)
    
    jc

    
       ... Ahh the power of information!!!!
    
       LPMG - living proof that drum companies should stick with what they
    know, obviously not electronics!!!! 
    
    							-B()()M-

    Re: .15
    
    Shall we talk about the Peavey drum kits that were shown at a NAMM show
    a few years back?
    
    						Brian

>       LPMG - living proof that drum companies should stick with what they
>    know, obviously not electronics!!!! 

    What's an LPMG?

    LPMG = Latin Percussion Music Group
    
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    	I thought that LPMG was a *distributor* for Kitty Hawk only.

      
        That's right! I don't think they make ANYTHING! Their Latin
    Percussion line probably comes from Latin America! The Kitty Hawks
    were imported from (West) Germany, and the Soho pre-amps were a
    Quattro clone from Taiwan. They used to market effects units from 
    Germany under the brand name Nobels Sound Studio.
    
        Sticking with this topic - Peavey makes the EVH 5150 in beautiful
    Mississippi. I give them more credit everytime I see them going for
    something new. For the price of the 5150, it should blow away the
    Triumph and VTM series!
    
    							-B()()M-

    Dang...that 5150's some amplifier.  I drove one at Daddy's in
    Shrewsbury yesterday, playing a Strat with a humbucker in the bridge
    position and a Floyd.  It certainly reproduces EVH's tone...even made
    my limited tapping skills sound better.
    
    1300 for the whole rig.  Need a new car to tote it around.

    >Dang...that 5150's some amplifier.  I drove one at Daddy's in
    >Shrewsbury yesterday, playing a Strat with a humbucker in the bridge
    >position and a Floyd.  It certainly reproduces EVH's tone...even made
    >my limited tapping skills sound better.
    >
    >1300 for the whole rig.  Need a new car to tote it around.
    
    $1300 for the entire stack, or for a half stack??  Curious...Acton
    Music wanted $1500 for the full stack.
    
    Buck, who liked the sound, but Jay T. sez they aren't very roadworthy.

    A half-stack sounds like the cheapest trial size, unless they come out
    with a combo version.  It seems the brown sound has got to have a big
    cab.  Are the heads large ala Marshall so that you need a large cab to 
    sit it on?  If they're not, you could go with a 2x12 cab.
    
    Mike

    -1
    
    Nope...the head are not the same size as the 4x12 (ala Hiwatt heads)!
    
    You could put em on anything, really.

    re .33
    
    The big heads fit on any 2X12 cab,..
    
    its when you go 2/4x10 you start wondering...
    							/Bill
    

    Re Buck: Yup, about $1300.  The head was tagged at $780, I believe. 
    The guy in the store said it would total out at about $1300.  I'm not
    surprised Acton Music had it at $1500; that's around the typical delta
    between Acton and a large chain like Daddy's.
    

    -1
    
    That would mean that those Peavey 4x12 cabs are going for $260 a
    piece?!?
    
    i mean, I'd buy that stack for $1300.  That is what I paid for my
    JCM 900 *half* stack!!

re: -1 (Buck)

>    That would mean that those Peavey 4x12 cabs are going for $260 a piece?!?

Nope. Look at the title of the note - the stack has 2x12 cabs, NOT 4x12s!!!!

alan

    Oh...
    
    Didn't even know that Peavey was making 5150 2x12's ?!?!?
    
    Acton Music's stack is 2 4x12 cabs...loud!

    I'm thinking about buying one of these amps.

    Every Marshall owner should have a dependable backup ... 8^)
    
    Scary (who played one this weekend ... thought it cranked)

      
      I agree! I don't think the 5150 is just a flash in the pan amp.
    And it seems built pretty good to me, now that a quality unit that
    will hold up is an issue. My local store said I could walk out with the 
    5150 head for $800 (before any haggling!). I had no problem dialing in
    some nice tones!
      But for eight big ones I might as well get the ACCESS!
    
    							-B()()M-

    >  I agree! I don't think the 5150 is just a flash in the pan amp.
    >And it seems built pretty good to me, now that a quality unit that
    >will hold up is an issue. My local store said I could walk out with the 
    >5150 head for $800 (before any haggling!). I had no problem dialing in
    >some nice tones!
     
    Yeah, I liked the dual channel thing...perdy neat!  The english style
    4 band EQ worked well, and that resonance knob...WOAH!!  Talk about the
    Brown sound.  Even if Eddie had nothing to do with the design of this
    amp, doesn't matter to me.  Sounded good to my ears, and I'm gonna be
    bringing my RG550 down for a test run.  The only problem is it was a
    tad L O U D!!  I don't really prefer 100wt amps, I like 50wt's that you
    can put on 3/4, not a 100wt you can only put on a 1/4.
    
    
    > But for eight big ones I might as well get the ACCESS!
    
    BAH!  Blow it off..
                       

Eeeesh, I'd best try one of these things...

Perhaps it would be a good partner for my new Marshall-Rack from
hell...

jc

    Correction to my posting in .22
    
    Was talking with the Acton Music dude today...he notes that they are
    selling the HALF stack (not the full stack) for around $1500.  When I
    pushed him, he said "I'll let it go out the door for "11 and some
    pocket change"?!?
    
    Anywho, we got talking on just the head, noting that the going price
    was $800, and he said "I'll let it go for somewhere in the high 6's".
    
    FYI, all you EVH wanna-be's (like me, right Shar Day?)  8^)  ;')

How many watts is this head ??

100wtr ??
jc

       
    
    100 watts Coop. But not enough LEDs for you!
    
    						-B()()M-

Stop that !!

jc (Who likes glowing power tubes too)

    It's a  *L O U D*  100wts!!
    
    

    and for $5 more they could have put a half power switch in.....
    

    He probably figured Van Headache wanna=be's wouldn't need no steeking
    power cut switch!  8^)

    Actually, I believe it's rated at 120 watts.
    
    I bet it weighs more than a twin... 
    (but it is in three pieces)
    
    

    last few are correct...120wts
    
    
    Buck, who thinks he's sold on this baby

    
      .... GTS attack pending .... 
    
      .... I think it was the new Peavey logo that did it!!!
    
    
    
    
           .....holding for intense product review.
    
    
    								-B-

    Well kids, I just finished my first gig with the 5150 amp.
    
    
    Wot?  Yes, I did it, I bought a 5150 half-stack this afternoon.
    $1150. for the two units...not bad.  I had to do it...I need
    killer tone, and this baby has it!!
    
    If Kevin McDonough and others thought the JCM 900 MK III had high gain,
    then you won't believe the response from *5* 12ax7's in series!!  FAR
    too much gain to max out the controls...I ran the controls like this:      
    * = engaged
    
       6    * Bright   5     5    10    8      2      2 1/2   7      6
    Crunch  * Crunch  Lead  bass  mid  treb  crunch  lead    res.  presence
    Volume            gain                   master  master     
    
    ...and had all the gain I could ever want and/or use.
    
    It had the liquid tone!!  Another thing, soloing on the neck and/or
    middle humbucker sounds REALLY nice...like the woman tone personified!
    This amp bruns when you get the masters up on it, but it's LOUD!!!
    The singer was bitching when the solos came in, and that was only on
    2 and a half!
    
    I really like the footswitch...channel and effects loop.   Now I can
    leave my Delay/Harmonizer back at the amp, and run shorter cords, and
    switch it all from out front and from one unit.  With the JCM 900, I
    had the delay and the channel switch out front, was sort of a hassle.
    This is really conventient!
    
    Also, since it has so much headroom, I only need to cart around a half
    stack now.  I cannot imagine this head running two cabs (that would be
    insane...probably where the name 5150 came from!).
    
    Buck, who won't say how much it "roolz", just that I really like it,
    and so does the band.
    
    PS - I'm keeping the JCM 900 head.  It has it's own sound, for sure,
    and does a sound that this amp WON'T do, but that is a vice verse
    scenario.

    
       I KNEW he'd do it.  Not a bad price, cab and all. It does look a lot
    better as a unit with matching head/cab. I'm gonna plug into the one at
    the local store and re-test it.
       I've still got my two M1 heads, so I doubt anything I do will be 
    in the stack/half-stack area. Probably more like 19" something 2U.
    
    							-B()()M-

    The thing is, Channel A is very versitle, and can go from crystal
    clean to Obscene...real nice!  You have High and Low imp inputs,
    and channel A also has the crunch switch, which puts another 12ax7 in
    line.  Lotsa control.
    
    Channel B is out of control!

Now if they just come up with a 50 (60?) watt version I might be interested...

-- Sam

    So, wot's the deal with the "Sheffield" speakers?  I assume these are
    Meridian-made Celestion-wannabes?
    
    							Brian

    RE: 5150 Wattage ...
    
    Could you snatch out 2 of the output tubes (the right 2, of course) to
    reduce the wattage ?  I did this with my Kityhawk M3 and it worked like
    a dream.
    
    Jerry

    RE: Sheffield spks
    
    Not sure where they came from, or what they are, but they sound mint.
    I actually like them BETTER than Celestions...a bit smoother, with
    a more even tempered EQ curve.
    
    
    RE: wattage
    
    Yeah, I could yank two tubes, but a re-biasing would be a must.  Can't
    yank tubes without re-biasing!!

    Why would you need to rebias ?  I thought that by yanking 2 tubes,
    nothing changed but the output.  I could be light years from being
    right, but my M3 served me well in this eunich fashion ... 8^)
    
    Jerry

    -1
    
    Becuase it is not set up for voltage for 4 tubes anymore
    
    
    If I remember correctly frmo TTAB, you need to change the ohmage, too

I got to play a 5150 Saturday...  Although I only got about 10 minutes on it,
I'll add what I can.

Configuration:

- Full stack - (2)4x12's, one head (120wts)

jc's initial thoughts:

- Damn is this thing LOUD !! (I hate the store where I tried it - I was 
  as obnoxious as possible :).  Twas way-loud compared to my Marshall 
  (which is pretty damn loud).  You wouldn't survive if you used Bucks
  Lead From Hell settings.  You'd be dead - body would probably  be
  found in next county.

- Pretty crunchy.  Sounded a LOT like the plexi-patch I have in my Mp1.

- I had the mids cranked very high (especially for me!).  Seems like that
  amp had metal in mind.

- Lots of sustain (a Marshall its not).

- Plenty of squeelies.

- Clean left me a little cold, I was trying to emulate my 2550 with strat
  combo.  It was pretty brittle.  (A Marshall its not).

- I thought it sounded a lot like a Kitty M3 I used to own, but different 
  (better?) EQ voicing.  Kinda grainy.
  
- Not enough LEDS.
:)

    Buck laments on Cooper's review:
    
>jc's initial thoughts:

- Damn is this thing LOUD !! 
    
    Agreed.

- Pretty crunchy.  Sounded a LOT like the plexi-patch I have in my Mp1.

    EVERYTHING sounds like your plexi patch?!
    
- I had the mids cranked very high (especially for me!).  Seems like that
  amp had metal in mind.
    
    Agreed.

- Lots of sustain (a Marshall its not).
    
    My Marshall sustains the s**t out of the 5150!!  The 5150 has more
    grunge and crunch...my MK III sings forever.

- Plenty of squeelies.
    
    I like my Marshall for squeeling harmonics MUCH better!!

- Clean left me a little cold, I was trying to emulate my 2550 with strat
  combo.  It was pretty brittle.  (A Marshall its not).

    I like the clean sound.  You have to use the low imp input though.
    
- I thought it sounded a lot like a Kitty M3 I used to own, but different 
  (better?) EQ voicing.  Kinda grainy.
  
    I think this amp sounds NOTHING like an M3!!!  Agree, the gain is a tad
    on the 'grainy' side though.
    
- Not enough LEDS.

    For a Rack Puke!
    

>    Buck laments on Cooper's review:

Coop laments on Buckleys' review of Cooper's review:
:)
    
>jc's initial thoughts:

Key word here - initial.  I only played the thing for a few moments.
I was there for something else.

>- Pretty crunchy.  Sounded a LOT like the plexi-patch I have in my Mp1.
>
>    EVERYTHING sounds like your plexi patch?!

Well, I'd qualify that with a "EVERY AMP (head, combo etc) sounds like your 
plexi patch?!"  Basically because not many heads can emulate an Mp1 with 
Distorted Tube selected...  Heads tend to come closer to the "Clean Tube" 
voice than... My plexi patch is "clean tube".
    
>- I had the mids cranked very high (especially for me!).  Seems like that
>  amp had metal in mind.
>    
>    Agreed.

I like this EQ section.  I tend to drop the mids out anyway, and this one
is "voiced" low in the MID department.

>- Lots of sustain (a Marshall its not).
>    
>    My Marshall sustains the s**t out of the 5150!!  The 5150 has more
>    grunge and crunch...my MK III sings forever.

I've never played a MKIII.  I know that most marshalls I've play didn't have 
much sustain.

>- Plenty of squeelies.
>    
>    I like my Marshall for squeeling harmonics MUCH better!!

This one was comparable to Gregs JCM800 for squeelies, I thought the was a 
little tighter sounding though.

>- Clean left me a little cold, I was trying to emulate my 2550 with strat
>  combo.  It was pretty brittle.  (A Marshall its not).
>
>    I like the clean sound.  You have to use the low imp input though.

??  Low imp inpt ??    Didn't even notice one.
    
>- I thought it sounded a lot like a Kitty M3 I used to own, but different 
>  (better?) EQ voicing.  Kinda grainy.
>  
>    I think this amp sounds NOTHING like an M3!!!  Agree, the gain is a tad
>    on the 'grainy' side though.

Its the grain that made me say dat.  The EQ voicing is totally different.
    
>- Not enough LEDS.
>
>    For a Rack Puke!

No amp has enough LEDS for a rack puke.
    
:)

>No amp has enough LEDS for a rack puke.
    
    Which is another reason you need the ACCESS...mega-LED's!

    re: Buck
    
>    EVERYTHING sounds like your plexi patch?!
    
    ..except a plexi.

    Man, I'm really getting into the amp the more I play it!!  Boy, am I
    happy I dished out the cash for this pup!!
    
    Unfortunately, I played my M-word amp the other night, and it PALED in
    comparison.  The 5150 has a monster tone and attack that the M-word
    just shivers in it's shadow at.
    
    Joe Minville heard this amp in action last night, and db_II is going to
    test drive this pup this evening.  This thing is loud n proud.  Sustain
    from hell, killer harmonics, but CLEAN (you can hear all the notes, 
    even in full chords!).  Must be something in the output stage...this
    amp doesn'ty compress on output like my M-word amp does.
    
    
    A happy but somewhat louder Buck

I tried it, it's a nice amp. The "clean" channel can be cranked to have almost
as much gain as a kitty kawk in heet! The dirty channel is indeed very dirty, 
but it has a crispness that keeps the notes very distinct, even when chording.

and it's VERY LOUD....whew!

I left Buck in a state of possible GTS (usually I leave with GTS) I dunno if
it was the Steinberger or the Zoom that got him...possibly both!

dbii

    Wrong topic, but the Zoom is "cute", but not for me.  The Steinberger
    was a different story tho.
    
    So Dave, was it the endless sustain on  the verge of blistering
    feedback that turned your 'sort of off' to this amp??

Actually I liked it fine, it is on the border of being out of control, but
I'm used to that what with the kitties and all...This is the first Peavy
amp I ever played through that I thought even began to sound like a serious
amp, and it sounded very very serious! I did have some trouble with feedback
but it was those hot pickups in the berger as much as the amp...

This is a nice amp, if I was in the market for something like a half-stack,
I'd have to try one out...since I'm a SMRP (Stereo midi rack puke), it's 
not the type of thing I'd buy...maybe in another life....

dbii

    I went and saw my current FAV guitarist play last night -- Harry K.
    Cody.  In the liner notes of his current album ("Second Coming" by his
    band, Shotgun Messiah), he lists the 'Tommy Folkelsson hot-wired
    Marshall head' as his main source of amplification.
    
    Hmmm, when I nabbed my Peavey 5150, I originally bought it cuz it could
    get a VH/Vito Bratta tone (one of a OLD Marshall which had been modded
    in the preamp stage), but soon realized that it also sounded very much
    like Cody's tone on SM's new album, Second Coming.  Well, I guess I
    should not have been surprised to see Harry on-stage last night with a
    5150 stack!!
    
    Sorry to see that his wah-wah pedal (which is an intrical part of his
    lead sound, ala Michael Schenker) was missing.  Harry played a
    flame-top and a gold-top Les Paul plugged straight into the 5150 head,
    which was powering two (older model) Mesa-Boogie 4x12 cabs.  For those
    who are curious, Harry was using primarily the bridge pickup on the 
    Les Paul's, and the "LEAD" channel on the 5150.  The tone controls were
    set as such:
    
    
    Rhythm   Lead   Bass   Mid   Treb   Rhythm   Lead   Resonance   Presence
    Gain     Gain                       MV       MV
    
    N/A	     5 �    8 �    8 �   7 �    N/A      3 �     8 �        7 �
    
    ***********
    
    As far as playing goes, Harry K. Cody is all taste!!  He was a little
    sloppy last night, blew some tapping licks and some harmonics, but
    overall he sounded great.  He has a very melodic, fluid style, and his
    solos are definitely noteworthy.  Def. recommended!
    
    ***********
    
    One thing that struck me as funny was on the cabs, the MESA/BOOGIE
    logos were gone, as well as *both* the "Peavey" and the "5150" plates
    on the amp head front.  Also, the "EVH" on the amps faceplate was
    covered with black tape.  I figured at first he didn't want anyone to
    know he was using a "P-word" amp, but when he came out on stage, I
    noticed that there was duck-tape on the headstocks of both his Les Paul
    guitars, which covered the "GIBSON" logo?!?  (he left Les Paul, fwiw) 
    Also, the bassist was had the brand names on all his equipment covered
    as well (the "AMPEG" logo on his SVT cabs, whatever was in his rack,
    and he also covered the "GIBSON" logo on his custom Les Paul bass).  
    
    Hmmmm, I can't imagine they're that up-tight about endorsements...wonder
    if the tour promoter made them do it??
    
    
    B.

    Maybe they're still bound by prior endorsements?   Think some of the
    equipment manufacturers are getting stiff on the "endorsement of the
    week junkies" with more restrictive contracts?

    gh

    Mono.  Same config as any M-word head, the front layout is just a tad
    different (with the dual channel thing).

    I saw Priest on the British Steel tour years ago, and they had all
    the Marshall logo's removed - strange cuz EVERYONE knows Priest does
    Marshall.
    jc

    Even stranger the logos were back in full view for the 'Vengence'
    tour?!?  (the amps were covered for the tour in between...point
    of entry)

    The logos were definitely visible (and prominent) on the Screamin for
    Vengeance tour.  I have photo's somewhere to prove it!

    gh

>>    One thing that struck me as funny was on the cabs, the MESA/BOOGIE
>>    logos were gone, as well as *both* the "Peavey" and the "5150" plates..

    Same thing on Vinnie Moore's Laney cabs/heads.   I talked with his
    guitar tech after the show, and he claimed that the heads were so
    modified they had to remove the logos.  That sounded like a lot of BS
    to me, but I didn't say anything.  I think the notion of restrictive
    endorsements might be closer to the truth.  (But I thought Vinnie
    endorsed Laney??)...  He had one of those Fender/Heartfield guitars,
    but it still had a visible logo.  I hope I've cleared this up for
    everyone :).

    steve

    
    I thought VM used Peavey....
    
    (That's who he mentions in the liner notes of "Mind's Eye")
    
    
    guy

    RE: db_II and the "two tones not enuff" discussion in the M-word note
    
    
    I used to have only one sound with my JCM 900 -- Loud and LOUDER!  
    Now with the dual-channel 5150, I have a better tone, two channels
    for different gain things (or clean/gain), and two MV's that go
    from "pretty obnoxiously loud" to "really facking loud!"  8^)

Loud I got tons of, can't even begin to use it all...varying degrees of crunch
and distortion I have in 8 flavors, I just seem to need about two per song
these days....generic setups just say  NO

dbii

    My FX loop of my 5150 doesn't like my new Booss mini-rack effect.
    Every time I kick the effect in viz the remote footswitch, it
    produces a really LOUD *POP*! 
    
    Is this a grounding problem??  Any clues?   HELP!

    I've seen this sort of thing happen before.  I think adding a blocking
    capacitor in either the Boss' output or the FX loop return on the amp
    will take care of the problem.  What value?  Geez, it's been awhile
    since I've done any circuit design...
    
    							Brian
    

    
    
      Even I don't believe this!! But here goes!
    
      I really enjoyed playing Buck's 5150 and it wasn't even let loose
    (like master on 1 or something like that). I found a 5150 head in a 
    consignment shop I deal with. They've got a sticker on it for $549.
    Everytime I've sold something there I've had to lower my "first asking"
    price. I told the shop owner, a long-term friend, that I would take it 
    off his hands for $450. 
      It's not like I need it myself. It will be for  the other guitar
    player in my band. For that price he'll buy it. If the offer flies
    I'll have it this weekend. If the other guitar player doesn't buy it
    maybe I'll keep it and sell my 60 watt M1 head (I'll still have the 
    100 watter).
      Oh Yeah - I test drove this particular amp. It is LOUD! I turned the 
    master up to 3-1/2 and was floored at how loud it was!
    
    							-B{}{}M-

    Ah, the old trappings of GTS once again.  And we all thought you were
    on the road to recovery, Boom!
    
    Greg

    I warned you how L O U D this admn this was.  Me?  I'm seriously
    thinking about yankin 2 output tubes!!  I mean, sounds great,
    but it moves the furnature all around in funny ways!  8^)

    
    
      C'mon , admit it! $450 for a 5150 is real hard to pass up. And I'm
    doing this to get the other guitar player to buy it. If he doesn't,
    I'm not gonna b!tch! 
      Every sound man we've had (only three, and the most recent one has been 
    with us for over 8 months) said my guitar sound smoked the other guys. 
    With my luck, the 5150 will change that. In essence I'm doing it for my
    band not me (irrational justification?)
    
    							-B{}{}M-

    Come on BoOm, we're not your spouse - tell HER that line o crap.
    We know you are HOPING the other guitarist won't buy it so YOU 
    can keep it.
    :-)
    
    

    
      You'll know he didn't buy it if you see one of my M1's up for sale.
    I don't see how he can't buy it. The other guitar player is using a
    Crate 1600 XL (I think that's the model) solid state head. He has been
    through more amps since I've been in the band with him (Marshall 5100
    Valvestate, Fender M-80, and now the Crap, ooops I meant Crate). 
      Actually the Crate isn't a bad starter or practice amp, but we're a 
    steadily gigging band with a lot of opportunities starting to open up
    for us this year. Trust me, this guy NEEDS a better amp. I think the 
    5150 is the ticket. 
      I think I'll have to pay $475 to cement the deal, if the seller wants
    more then I'm jumping off the GTS bandwagon! (wait a minute, It's not
    for me!)
    
    								-B{}{}M-

    
    
      Once again - I think I have Buck to thank for this new episode!
    Isn't he the guy that told me about the REXX blowout. Well -
    I did do the KH gear on my own anyway! I'll know later today,
    and we have a gig tonight so it will get the real test!
    
    							-B{}{}M-

     
      Then you know what hits the fan. We did the gig Saturday night
    but the other guitar player was sick with a viral ear infection
    and was taking anti-vertigo medicine. No way he was going to gig.
    On top of that it is one of our better paying gigs and a booking agent
    was coming out to check us out. 
      So do we cancel? No way! I go over the set lists and determine 
    what solos that I didn't currently play in the band. There were only
    a few songs that really require two guitars. I made up a tape of 
    just the solos I had to learn and went to work with the multitrack
    and headphones. It went over quite well. When the band asked the
    soundman how it was, they got the reply about hos much better my
    guitar sounded anyway.
      I'll wait and see on the 5150 amp. A lot depends on what happens
    with the other guitar player. I mentioned on the phone to him that 
    I was trying to get a deal on a 5150 for him. Ya know what's scary?
    I asked him how much he paid for the Crate 1600 XL head. $400!!!
    OUCH!! I don't think the resale on those suckers is too high. That's
    why the 5150 is so tempting. At $450 there's no way you couldn't
    recoup most or all of you money if you sold it!
    
    							-B{}{}M-0

    Yo Boom...
    
    Why don't you just sell the other guitar player your extra M1 and
    then you'll both be happy?
    
    gh

    
    
      Thanx alot for the idea Greg! I'm trying hard to be a regular model
    of restraint since Cooper is having a real tough time doing that 
    these days!
      The nice thing about keeping the M1(s) is that I do still have the 
    two KH 4 X 12's (one slant/one straight) and a KH 1 X 12, so I don't plan 
    on buying any new cabinets anytime soon!
    
    								-B{}{}M-

    Hell, I'd buy a 5150 'cause they LOOK so damn cool!
    
    dawg

I saw someone recently who's guitar player was using a 5150, Mick Jagger, 
maybe...  Sounded good, but it was on TV and my little 3" speaker doesn't
reproduce too much.

gh

    I had to stop by a rock club the other night to pick up something.
    From the parking lot, I said "wow, cool guitar sound".  When I 
    got in, the guy had a 5150 half stack and a Les Paul.  
    
    nuff said

What kind of speakers do they load the cabs on these things with?

gh

    On the 5150 cabs, they load a custom-made "Sheffield" speaker,
    which is (on paper) desined to sound like a Celestion Vintage
    30wt, but which is actually rated much higher (100wts?).  Not
    sure, my 5150 cab doesn't have a power rating on it, but can
    handle the full output from the head, which is around 150wts
    at clipping.

I take it from the "on paper" comment that you don't think it sounds like 
a Celestion 30wt?  How's it sound to you?

gh

    Oh, no -- just stating what the "design concept" is -- 
    
    I'm not sure how much they sound like 30wt celestions, as I'm
    no pro on 30wt celestions.  I know they don't sound like my
    old Vintage 25wt greenbacks (they lack the compression factor,
    but that is a good thing!), but these speakers have a great 'edge'
    to them, sound very british, and produce killer transients.
    
    I am *very* happy with this cabinet!

    
      Buck has been a regular model of restraint - IMVHO!
    
      His rig sounds great! And so does mine, so why am I even
    considing the 5150 thing? CUZ! just freaking BECUZ!
    
    
       ----------- SOMEBODY SHOOT ME ::::: NOW!!! ----------
    

    The same reason any of us would...  GTS!!
    
    I mean, lets face facts, we all seem happy with our rigs, we all
    probably have the ability to get killer tones (at least to us),
    *and* we all (okay, most) want to go out and spend our hard earned
    DEC-Bucks on the elusive search...
    
    I dunno about you guys, but when my playing is in a slump (for any
    number of reasons), a new toy will stick me in the basement for WEEKS.
    SLUMP OVER, END OF STORY !!
    :-)
    

    
      I have to humbly admit that as of today (2/25/93), I own my first Peavey
    amplifier. I know I shouldn't have gone to Buck's house that day, 
    or plugged into the 5150 when I saw it in the local music store. My
    only saving grace if that I did get it for $500 tax included which is
    an OK deal. BTW - It sounds awesome through my two Kitty 4X12's!
    
       yes - I showed it to my wife!
    
       yes - I will keep it if bonehead in my band doesn't buy iy!
    
       yes - If I DO keep it - more gear will be up for sale!
    
    							-B{}{}M-

    That's ok B{}{}M...last time I went to your house, I ended up
    buying something, too!  8^)
    
    Congrats on the 5150 -- it's a killer head!!  Have tons o fun with
    it.

    
    
      I look at it this way, it's mine, I'll let Mr Zero Tone use it and
    if his guitar sound doesn't improve, then it's definitely him or his
    guitar!
    
    								-B-

    
    
    
    
      Hey, Boom,
    
      You involved with Mass Par?   GBR? 
    
    
      Rick.
                 
    

    B{}{}M...
    
    Enquiring minds...	did that band dude buy the 5150 or what?!

    
      In response to the last few-
    
      I'm not really involved directly with MasPar, but I am one of the 
    few qualified CS engineers on the whole planet to work on the MPP
    products. I'm upgrading a Thunderball (MP-1) to a Cyclone (MP-2) in a
    few months. The people I'm involved with at Syracuse University are
    parallel processing "heavies". I'm glad I got the training for this
    very different type of system and the support I get from MPSG has been 
    great so far!
    
      5150? I used it at practice last night. The other guitar player has
    been out of commission for the last few gigs and practices, so I've
    had to pick up any slack. I talked to him on the phone. He's
    interesting in trying the 5150. I told him it would help his guitar
    sound immensely, but if he didn't want it I'll gladly keep it for
    myself and sell off some other goodies. I really do like a few of the 
    things the 5150 does. And the  Korg A4 will switch channels through
    its external control outs without much trouble.
    
      After I get a better feel for the controls on the 5150 I'm gonna post
    a 5150 vs. M1 comparison, since they are both "hot rodded out of the
    box" all-tube amps. 
      
    							-B{}{}M-

      I re-read the early replies in this topic. Pretty interesting now
    that I own one. And I said I doubted I'd buy another amp head.
    What do I know?
    
      For $450 I don't think I could loose much on this. As a matter of
    fact I'm hoping the other guitar player in my band either isn't
    interested or doesn't have the money. He might be leaving the band 
    anyway due to medical problems and his work schedule. And we just got 
    a whole bunch of new clubs and bookings. March is looking good!
    I'm seriously gonna consider using the 5150/KH 4X12/Korg A-4 on a 
    gig when I get all my patches lined up.
    
    							-B{}{}M-

    
    
       Well - I have a sale pending on my 5150 amp. Remember - I DIDN'T 
    BUY IT FOR MYSELF (and y'all thought I was lying!). The other guitar
    player is back from his sick leave and used the 5150 last night at
    practice, I even used the 5150 for one song and let him play through my
    rack. 
       Everyone in the band commented on how much better his guitar sounded
    and that he was a fool if he didn't buy it. So he's coming up with the 
    money next weekend! Cool ....   
    
      .....just like I planned it!
    
    								-B{}{}M-

    
    
    	Has anyone compared the 5150 speaker cab to the standard Peavey
    4x12? I'm considering the purchase as well, but the local Daddy's here 
    in Connecticut only stocks the standard cab instead of the premium
    unit. As far as price goes, the head and standard cab will go out the 
    door, including tax for $1k even. But they want $1150, using the 5150
    cab instead. The peavey monitor magazine they had there listed both
    cabs as using Celestion speakers, but didn't get into any details. The
    guy told me that there was an issue back about a year ago that may have
    gone into more detail about the cab, but he wasn't that sure. The one 
    thing that he was sure about was that these amp's are already spoken
    for before they even make it in the door, and most of them go with the 
    scaled down cab.
    
    
    	Any info would be appreciated,
    
    	Thanks, 
    	John

    >	Has anyone compared the 5150 speaker cab to the standard Peavey
    >4x12? 
    
    Yup...
    
    
    >I'm considering the purchase as well, but the local Daddy's here 
    >in Connecticut only stocks the standard cab instead of the premium
    >unit. As far as price goes, the head and standard cab will go out the 
    >door, including tax for $1k even. But they want $1150, using the 5150
    >cab instead. The peavey monitor magazine they had there listed both
    >cabs as using Celestion speakers, but didn't get into any details. The
    >guy told me that there was an issue back about a year ago that may have
    >gone into more detail about the cab, but he wasn't that sure. The one 
    >thing that he was sure about was that these amp's are already spoken
    >for before they even make it in the door, and most of them go with the 
    >scaled down cab.
    >
    >John
    
    John,
    
    When I was interested in the 5150 amp, I tried it with both the 5150
    cab, the std Peavey "Marshall Clone" 4x12 celestion-loaded cab, and
    with a Marshall cab.  Oddly enough, I *really* didn't like the sound
    with the REAL Marshall cab!!  Hard to explain, but it just didn't seem
    to "fit".  I then tried the 5150 through the two Peavey offerings, and
    it DEFINITELY sounds better through the matching 5150 cab.
    
    You can try it yourself, but know when the P-word engineers and eddie
    sat down to brainstorm on this amp, they designed it AMP + SPEAKER CAB!
    The design of the cab is a bit different, and it doesn't use Celestion
    spks, it uses a high wattage "Sheffield" speaker custom made for
    Peavey, which is like 100wts/spkr, but are voiced to sound like vintage
    celestions.  Peavey actually noted that the hard part to designing the
    5150 was "getting the cab right".  The cab is designed to work in
    conjuction with the amps output section (eg, able to handle the power
    for output clipping, and the resonance and presence controls are voiced
    to the cab specifically).
    
    Again, try it for yourself -- to me, the choice is clear.  And fwiw,
    the $1150 is not a bad price for the 5150 half-stack.  If you have some
    extra $$$, Acton Music Center is selling the 5150 FULL stack (2 cabs)
    for $1500 flat.  That is a steal no matter how you slice it (although
    this amp is so loud, I can't imagine it running two cabs!!)

    re -1
    
    	Thanks for the info... The biggest problem around here in Conn is 
    being able to actually test one out. The problem is also two fold,
    where the folks in the music stores are in the same predicament, with 
    the amp's being 'sold' before they make it into the store. In Conn. we
    also have the problem with there is just not enough music stores that 
    deal in the higher end stuff like this. Maybe it's time to take my
    stealth up to Acton and play for awhile. Is there 5150 a floor model
    that will be there for awhile? 
    
    	Also, on a lighter side...  Has anyone played an acoustic through
    the clean channel?
    
    Thanks,
    John

    >deal in the higher end stuff like this. Maybe it's time to take my
    >stealth up to Acton and play for awhile. Is there 5150 a floor model
    >that will be there for awhile? 
    
    Yeah, it's basically a floor model, I mean, it's the only one they
    have, but it isn't going anywhere fast!  (read: noone has the bucks 
    to buy it, although many agree it wails)  
    
    
    >	Also, on a lighter side...  Has anyone played an acoustic through
    >the clean channel?
    
    Nope, but the "rhythm" channel can go from VERY clean to VERY dirty.
    You can even play lead on this channel!!  With the low gain input
    and no buttons pushed in, I can't see why an acoustic wouldn't sound
    great through this amp.

    
    	Times have changed, haven't they?
    
    	Peavey :== higher_end_stuff
    
    	Tom (who LOVES his Peavey Odyssey!!)
    

    
    re .107
    
    >>	Times have changed, haven't they?
    
    >>	Peavey :== higher_end_stuff
    
    Yup! I'm mightily impressed with the latest Peavey amps, 
    especially the Classic 4x10 jobber. Not that expensive
    in the grand scheme of things, too.
    
    -Tom

    If anyone had told me I'd be playing a Peavey amp and be *psyched*
    about it at the same time 5 years ago, I would have called up McClean's
    Hospital and personally booked them a nice quiet room!  8^)
    
    They've def. made changes for the better...

    At Union Music in Worcester they have 5150 head, floor model they
    want $599.00 for it. is it this a good price or should wait?
    
    Kham

    -1
    
    Kahm,
    
    Call Acton Music Center is Acton (I think the number is 508.263.9288).
    They may have a better price for the same head.  $600. is a good price,
    but I think you could get it for less in Acton.

    Thanks Buckley, I'll try to call them.
    
    
    

Re: .107

 Tom,  I still love my PV Odyssey as well.  One of the best gits I've had
 over the years, and gets some great sounds.  Back to the 5150 discussion ..

 Lv 

    Buck, I called Acton Music yesterday they said sell 5150 head for $630.00
    plus tax.But they also mention that they sell the whole system for
    $1500.00 just like you said it.
    
    
    Kham

    Kham,
    
    Thanks for the pricing info -- as you suspected, I'd buy the head (if
    that is all you want) at the other place...
    
    Great amp though -- played through it last night for a few hours and
    it never ceases to amaze me!!

    I finaly bought the 5150 amp last week for $577.00 included tax. from
    Daddy's in Worcester. It's the floor model one. The guy said it's only
    been in the floor for two week but like always I never believe
    salesman. I bought it 'cause  I thought it was a good deal. 
    Is this a good deal or ever way's same deal now?
    
    Kham
    

    I think that is a good price for a great amp!

    Do anyone know how Eddie set his 5150?
    
    Thanks

Yeah, Eddie's 5150 has a marshall inside. really. I friend of mine was a roadie
on the last tour. he uses marshalls mounted backwards in 5150 cabinets.

dbii

    How come the tone on "Poundcake" (where he reportedly used a 5150)
    sounds so much different than a Marshall?  Or any Marshall previously
    used by EVH?

    
    
         **** BLASPHEMY! ****
    
    
       Does this mean the endorsement scenario is over? If EVH really uses
    Marshalls inside a 5150 shell, I real seriously don't know why! Maybe
    he has a couple of variations and switches between them. I could easily
    believe that! In all honesty, the Peavey 5150 and Marshall JCMX00's
    are both great sounding amps.
    
    
      But WTF - what does a certified MRP know about amp heads anyway?
    
    							-B{}{}M-

I haven't heard poundcake or anything else by EVH for years so I can't say. I
do know that according to my friend the 5150's were marshalls reverse mounted
in the shells. According to my friend who has toured with a bunch of acts,
this is very typical. example: Billy Sheehan endorses Rotosounds, but uses
DR's, Little  feat endorses fender amps and guitars, but use markley amps 
hidden in rack mounts while the fenders sit in standby on stage in full view,
I saw that one myself at Bowdin College a year or so ago as I was right up 
against the stage and hung around after to check out the gear.


dbii

    
    	There was an article a few months back in Guitar Player I think.
    They did an interview with Eddie's guitar tech. He said Eddie came out
    of his rack and into a 5150 head (stock) to a 4x12. He also feed off the 
    preamp out then split to 2 marshall heads (modified) to a 4x12 each.
    All of the 4x12's were Peavey's though...
    John (who still want's a 5150 stack...) 

    Well, after about 2 years of owning this amp, I just broke down and 
    re-tubed the entire sucker.  The tone was sounding a bit 'off' to
    me deaf ears.  Well, after new tubes and a general clean-up, this
    amp is screaming again!!  All the tone and power (volume) I felt I
    had been missing the last few months has returned with a vegenence
    ... now I remember why I bought this thing in the first place!

Ah, good thing you waited until *after* the DECjam cuz I'm pretty good at
breaking new stuff %^).

But it sounded pretty darn good to me from the audience perspective ;^)

Droid

    That's the thing about these tube beasts - they start to degrade so
    gradually that over time, you forget how much better they used to be
    when the tubes were fresh.
    
    	db

    re: -1
    
    Kinda like fresh knobbies on the dirt bike.......ya don't know how bad
    things were until ya slap on a new set!
    
    8^)

    Coming VERY soon:  the 5150 - 60 watt COMBO!!  EVH claims
    it blows the competition away, we'll see...
    
    Kev --
    

    RE: 5150 Combo
    
    I wonder if it's going to be like the Duel 212 (120 watt) combo. This 
    is a killer combo. I wonder how the 5150 combo will differ. Maybe it'll
    be minus the reverb and tremolo ckts? 
    
    Interesting...
    
    
    	Fred (who'd sell his Boogie MK2c+ in a heartbeat for a Dual 212)

    RE: 5150 combo
    
    COOL!!!  One is mine as soon as they hit the market!
    
    Funny -- I had a lengthy discussion with several Peavey amp reps at a
    show shortly after the amp debuted on the market.  I already owned
    mine, and was discussing the pros and cons (imho) of the amp.  I did
    ask if they ever planned to issue a combo version of the amp, and the
    answer was a jubillant "NO" -- in fact, it was the same answer to my
    "do you ever plan to ECO this sucker to fix x y and z problems?" ...
    apparently, they (the amp reps) tout the contract between Peavey and
    EVH is very strict and binding, and that no changes would be made to
    the amp, or to the line ... specifically stating that a combo version
    would never be produced.  
    
    Never say never I guess?!  
    
    At the time, I wondered how much of the "no" response was simply
    'damage' control on behalf on the Peavey reps .. you know, 'have a 
    difficult answer...take a hard line and say no' type approach?!

    RE: 5150 Combo
    
    	Has anyone seen one of these beasts yet?
    	Reverb? No reverb? Any idea? Any literature? Price???
    
    	Any clue??????
    
    		Curious Fred

    RE: -.1
    
    I got a little bit of information and was told that this 5150 combo 
    is "basically" the same as the 5150 head, except it's 60 watts and 
    includes Reverb!  YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    The price (Mgf. suggested retail) is $1149.00, which should place
    it (with normal discounts) at around $975.00 w/o any state taxes.
    
    The 5150 combo ship date (FRS) is scheduled for mid-April.
    
    		That's all I know so far!
    
    
    			Rock on,
    				Fred

    
    	Fred - is it a twin 12" ??   Channel switching?
    
    	You seem just a bit anxious... ;^)
    
    	Tom
    

    RE: -.1
    
    Anxious? Me? Tom, I'm surprised at you!   ;^)'s
    
      Yep, channel switching, efx loop, resonance/presence controls, REVERB,
    twin 12" Sheffield drivers, crunch select switch, bright switch,
    standard 3-band EQ. It sounds like a nice package actually. We'll
    see though, since some amps are better suited as 100 watters than
    their lower wattage cousins. 
    
    The Peavey Duel 212 is a nice amp too and has the 5150 resonance and 
    presence control ckt on it, plus the ValVerb tremolo and reverb ckts 
    too. It has that clean/low end kick in the gut power that gets looked 
    over by alot of other amp manufacturers. I played two different Duel
    212's and they kicked, but yet a third one I tried didn't sound as good 
    as the first two. Like most tube amps, it's a "pick one out of a crowd"
    before you buy one ya know?
    
    Besides Tom, I sold my Boogie, so I have a slight case of GTS. Those
    antibiotics seem to work pretty well, so I'm not in a rush to buy
    anything.
    
    		Rock on,
    			Fred

    Geez, what IS this world coming to?
    
    First Fred "don't need no stinkin boogie" buys a boogie.  Then Buck
    "Peavey sucks" Buckley buys a Peavey. 
    
    Now the two guitarists I've spent most of the last 5 years playing
    with who used to write little "spiked messages" to each other on
    the band-room whiteboard may end up playing thru "essentially" the
    same amp!
    
    Next thing you know, Fred will join a prog-rock band, Buck will join
    an R&B band, and db will quit DEC, move down to the delta and spend
    the rest of his life at the crossroads playing the blues with Edd
    Cote and seeing only woman who "don't treat me right".
    
    This really is a small world.
    
    	db

    RE: -.1
    	But Dude, even if Buck and I took turns using the *same* amp, we
    still would sound worlds apart!
    
    	I'm OK with this and I'm sure Buck would agree with me. It may be
    	the *only* thing we agree on.		
    
    	;^)'s
    
    		Fred (who's outta here cause surf's up!)

    I'm not reading many notes these days (who has freaking time?  I have
    assumed the jobs of 4 transitioned people since June!).
    
    Man, I am DROOLING over the sounds of that combo!!  The 5150, to me,
    can be tweeked to be the most ROOLIN amp.  No, I don't think it's 
    great cuz I own one, cuz if you know ME, if I didn't think it was 
    the best sound for me, it would be sold and replaced!
    
    The 5150 has a great, tube sound -- very beefy -- but allows for 
    sustain and warmth WITHOUT distortion and the "buzz" associated with
    Marshall-type amps.  I like how this amp can sing, and even with the
    gains turned way up, you can voice a Maj7/9 chord and still distinguish
    EVERY note in the damn chord -- try THAT on a marshall!  I like the
    headroom and lack of compression on this beast.
    
    about the only drawback is that the amp has way too much headroom for
    anyone's good -- who needs the 120 watts?  I've never played this amp
    over 3, and even then it was screaming loud.  This 60 wt amp with
    REVERB sound like the dream amp -- all the tone (and those killer 
    Sheffield speakers!!!) with REVERB ... the only thing missing from the
    5150 ... what else could one ask for?
    
    I'll be rolling pennies, thank you
    
    --
    Buck
    
    PS -- i agree with fred -- while we have played through the same amp a
    time or two (Rik Sawyer's volume jams come to mind), our styles are
    vastly different.  neither of which makes any one 'better', imvho,
    just different.

    My first encounter with the 5150 was hearing Buck's at db's
    house. When Buck wheeled it in, I have to admit, my expectations
    were not very high. I remember thinking to myself, "Whatzat?
    Has Buck gone mad? I thought he was into only the best in
    gear?" Well, that all ended mighty quick when he powered up
    and started to play. I was shocked. The damn thing sounded
    great. Now part of it, I'm still convinced, is that really
    good guitarists have some element of tone which will always
    shine through on even the lowliest gear, and Buck is what
    I would consider a really good guitarist. On the other hand,
    there's no denying that the 5150 is a cut above anything else
    that Peavey was offering in the way of amplification.
    
    [Don't take me wrong... I own a Peavey MIDI bass and the
    console in my recording studio is a 36 input Peavey AMS,
    which I chose after a long search of consoles in its
    price range; both pieces of equipment are excellent...
    my dislike of their stuff is limited to their amplifier
    and speaker products.]
    
    As a bass player, I've been through a lot of Peavey gear and
    I cannot think of one bass amplifier or speaker cabinet
    that I like, even a little. So, I didn't expect much from
    the 5150. If they can "downsize" the 5150 to a combo, I'll
    probably buy one for use at the studio. And if they ever
    apply the same ideas to a bass head and speaker system,
    I might even have to reconsider this Trace Elliot snobbishness
    that's overcome me lately... :-)
    
    -b

    > Now part of it, I'm still convinced, is that really good guitarists
    > have some element of tone which will always shine through on even the
    > lowliest gear, 
    
    > On the other hand, there's no denying that the 5150 is a cut
    > above anything else that Peavey was offering in the way of amplification.
    
    If you ever heard Fred Abatelli play thru his Peavey you'd strengthen
    your belief in the first quote above and weaken you the belief you state
    in the 2nd quote.
    
    	db

    Agreed - Fred gets a great tone from that P-word amp...
    What *is* that thing anyway??
    :-)

    Buck
    	What does the 5150 sound similar too?  I have yet to see one down
    here in these parts...shucks we only got the 'lectricitee tuned on
    last weeek 8^).
    
    	Is it more a Marshall, or more a Fender tube type of thang.
    
    
    P.K.

    
         Good to see you in here again Buck!  That night I
    saw your band at Rhythms I thought your PV set-up sounded
    great.  A friend of mine has the same deal and it kicks
    as well.  Interesting, this combo amp.  If I wasn't dumping
    all my cash into Mesa-Booger... 8-)
    
    Ouch!
    Kev --
    

    P.K. --
    
    I will try and explain the sound of the 5150 as best I can.
    
    First off, the layout
    
    It is a dual channel amp ... both have a gain and a master volume
    associated with it.  The channels are voiced differntly as well.
    The rhythm channel has two buttons for a 6bd boost at 2k and a
    6db boost in gain.  the lead channel is sans that, but adds in a
    5th preamp tube into the circuit.  Even with the bright button in
    on the rhythm channel, I would say the rhythm channel sounds more
    'bassy' or fuller sounding, and the lead channel is very sharp and
    cuts through very well.
    
    both channels feed into a std 3-band eq -- bass, mid, treb -- and then
    onto an active stage featuring presence and resonance (very deep bass)
    controls.
    
    As far as layout -- the thing looks more like an old Hiwatt or Ampeg
    amp.  As far as sound goes, I would have to say it sound more like an
    old Ampeg.  If you had to choose between a marshall and a fender -- I'd
    say Fender -- the amp is more voiced into the midrange, rather than the
    super bright highs associated with the Marshall voicing.  This is a
    good thing imho -- makes for a better overall tone, and never gets
    buzzy or mosquito-sounding like some marshall amps can.

    RE:  mosquito-sounding like some Marshall amps can...
    
    Hey Coop, remember what I was trying to get at? That one
    hits the nail right on the head!!!  8-)
    
    Kev --
    

    One thing I'm betting is that it's going to weigh a ton.  I saw a
    similar PV combo the other day, I think it was the Dual 212, and
    that thing was very heavy.
    

    sounds like Peavey maintains its rep of country amp of choice with that
    5150 rhythm channel voicing.  My wallet was getting itching until I saw
    that ;-)
    
    Mike

    I guess the best way to descrive the rhythm channel is Eddie's
    "Brown sound" rhythm tone.  Then again, this _is_ the 5150 amp!

    re: .-2
    
    Hey Mikie, I was wondering if you fell of the face of the planet
    or something.   Welcome back

    Hey Kev,
    
    Yeah I know all about the Mosquito sound...Some say I invented it.
    :-)  Not so much into that any more, and this PV 5150 combo 
    appeals to me also...Cuz I could use a combo.   Lately I've 
    been into high-gain sounds without too much 'bzzzzzzz' to it...
    How do I say it - Distorted without the chainsaw feel?
    
    Also, Marshall has a new series of goodies out - Namedly the JTM 30.
    COmes in 30wt (all-tube) 1x12 or 2x10 combo format - channel switching, 
    FX loop, and speaker emulated outputs too.  Hmm....
    
    

>    Hey Mikie, I was wondering if you fell of the face of the planet
>    or something.   Welcome back
    
    I did.  I was abducted by aliens one night while watching the X-Files. 
    I've been out surfing with them all this time and teaching them all
    about emotive guitar instrumentalists.  After my mission was
    accomplished, they dropped me off.
    
    Mike

    Knew it had to be something like that...
    
    	db

    BTW - it's still fascinates me how Buck uses the same amp as his most
    favorite guitar hero.

    >BTW - it's still fascinates me how Buck uses the same amp as his most
    >favorite guitar hero.
    
    
    Yup -- Harry K. Cody from Shotgun Messiah!!!

    Yeah, I forgot to mention that in my list of ironies.
    
    Not only is Buck using Peavey, he's using an Eddie Van Halen Peavey.
    
    Buck, never understood why you didn't like EVH.  I'm currently on
    an EVH listening binge.  I even went out and bought tab to VH II
    cause I always wanted to learn some of those tunes.
    
    Currently working on the intro to "Women in Love" (one of my favorite
    VH moments).  BTW, it's harder than it sounds - at least if you try
    and play it just as EVH does (holding notes that move to different
    chords, etc.)

    >Buck, never understood why you didn't like EVH.
    
    Cuz I like guitarist who play with FEELING and EMOTION...

    Can't get any more emotive than EVH.

    Buck
    	thanks for the info.  I hope they release these here.  I would
    love to check one out.
    
    
    P.K.

    My biggest like on the 5150 -- the footswitchable FX loop.  My setup
    is simple -- I have the one peavey footswitch with two buttons:
    
    1) Channel switch (loud to louder)
    2) FX in/out
    
    I just set up my delay/chorus unit on top and have it on all the time,
    then I just pop it in/out of the circuit as needed (I usually use it
    on solos and single note lines).  
    
    The result is great tones without a ton of hassle

    re:
    maintaining its rep of country amp of choice with that 5150 rhythm
    channel voicing...
    
    When I asked about this amp, I was told that this amp would probably not
    be suited for "country".  But then again, the salesman was trying to sale
    me a Rivera.
    
    Later,
    rj

    
    	According to GP, the list price of the combo is $1,150.
    
    	Are there any out there yet?
    
    	Tom
    

    A friend of mine already owns and is gigging with this beast.  Sounds
    killer in a club!

    
    re-1
    
    have you got your on order? 8)
    
    
    					ian

    
      JEEZ - Buck is slipping!
    

    the new Guitar Shop has a fairly positive review of the 5150 combo
    (2x12).  It's main complaints were noise and appearance (said it looked
    like a humidifier).
    
    Mike

    humidifier or not........Buck will buy it! 8)
    
    
    
    						ian
    
    
    ps..was it celestions in it or Peavey's own make?

    Probably Sheffield speakers, dood.  FWIW - I heard a EVH 4x12 and
    it SMOKED with a marshall feeding it.  :-)
    

    
    From the inet -
    
From: [email protected] (Scott Robert Kietzmann
Newsgroups: alt.guita
Subject: ^^^FIRST $600.00 TAKES MY 5150 HALF-STACK^^
Date: 11 Aug 1995 02:07:42 GM
Organization: Information & Media Technologies, University of Wisconsin 
- Milwauke
Message-ID: <[email protected]

Newsgroups: alt.guitar
Subject: 5150 For Sale!
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MUST SELL SOON!!!!!!

PEAVEY 5150 HEAD (120 WATTS) WITH PEAVEY MONO/STEREO SLANT CABINET 4X12
SHEFIELD SPEAKERS.  100% MINT CONDITION ONLY 3 MONTHS OLD.  I MUST SELL 
BY
THIS BY AUG. 29TH FOR TUITION.  PLEASE RESPOND SOON VIA EMAIL!!!

HEAD AND CABINET FOR $650.00

AWESOME DEAL FOR THE PRICE!!!!!!!!

SCOTT.  ([email protected])

    

    -1
    
    great price, but what about shipping?!?!?  T'would be a nachtmare!

    
    Actually, via UPS the price would be pretty affordable.  I recently
    shipped  ~100lbs to Colorado, and with insurance I believe the price
    came to less than $80.   I forget the exact figure.  UPS was the only
    _affordable_ way however, all the alternatives were ridiculously high.
    
     Lv

    Are you sure about 100lbs?
    
    I thought the UPS people would only ship parcels <70lbs

    
    
    	Actually, the maximum single package weight is 150lbs. The maximum
     size is 130" in length and girth combined.  Maximum length is 108".
    
     Any packages over 70lbs must have a UPS "Heavy Package" sticker 
     attached.  70lbs is the maximum weight for hazardous materials 
     packages.   Perhaps a 5150 would qualify as a hazardous materials
     package; hazardous to your ears that is :)
    
      To ship 100lbs via ground residential from my house in Sutton Ma.
     to Huntington Beach Calif for example, would cost 42.44 as the 
     basic rate excluding insurance.  Insurance is relatively cheap, adding
     on $3000 insurance raises the rate to $52.59.
    
      For further info, see http://www.ups.com/ on the inet.  

    I have a new amp set-up I thought I'd share with you all.
    
    Previously, I had either the 5150 1/2 stack for that killer singing
    fusion tone, or the Classic 4/10 50wt for that blues/retro tone.
    
    Recently, while toying around, I came up with the following config
    which is pretty cool:
    
    I plug my guitar straight into one of my (two) Boss RDD-10 digital
    delays.  I split the signal -- the dry side going into the Classic
    50, and the delayed side into the 5150.  I set up a delay time of
    around 60ms.  The tone I set on the Classic 50 is a straight ahead,
    not too distroted sound, very evenly EQed, more of an "in your face"
    brown Fender sound.  This provides the tone for the initial transient.
    I then set up the 5150 into "scream" mode -- i.e., and note played on
    it immediately goes into feedback/endless sustain.
    
    So, the outcome of the above -- I play a note or a chord, and the
    initial sound is a std Fender tone, which normally wouldn't sustain
    for doo-doo, which then kicks into a singing sustain!  The initial
    sound is clean enough to provide the distinction, and then the "after"
    sound provides the sustain I want.
    
    I use the Boss DDL #2 for other time delay fx looped into the 5150.
    
    Kewl, huh?

      Sounds Interesting. I probably can't even do that with just my rack, but I
    could do a patch thing with the effects unit (probably the REPLIFEX)
    and feed the dry signal into the AC30TB and the delayed into the
    ACCESS/VELOCITY to approximate what Buck did. Hmmm- nice idea for
    recording but I don't know if I'd want to carry it all around for a
    gig. 
      I'm just finishing up two weeks of vacation which included five band
    gigs, 2500 miles of driving to six amusement parks and two different
    state fairs. Not a relaxing vaca but fun nonetheless.
    
    								-John R-