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Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

2264.0. "Spruce vs. Cedar Top Guitars" by TLE::TLE::SLOVENKAI () Tue Jul 16 1991 09:52

    Is there a quality difference between spruce and cedar top
    acoustic guitars.  I'm refering to solid-top guitars, the only
    difference being the type of wood.  Are there tonal differences?
    
    -Don
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2264.1ZYDECO::MCABEEBe here now.Tue Jul 16 1991 18:2918
>    Is there a quality difference between spruce and cedar top
>    acoustic guitars.  I'm refering to solid-top guitars, the only
>    difference being the type of wood.  Are there tonal differences?
    
There are differences.  The sound of a spruce top will continue to evolve
as it ages for at least a year or two.  Cedar seems to stabilize it's sound
within a short time - a few months, maybe.  

I made some tonal comparisons several years ago (10-12) and I remember 
concluding that cedar tended to have a darker tone.  However, my sample
was too small to be scientific (statistically significant) and I had no
way to hold everything else constant.

I think the luthier community has reached some conclusions about this,
but I haven't kept up with that world for years.

Bob
2264.2my 2 centsALAMOS::DEGIDIOSat Jul 20 1991 20:058
         I tend to agree the with the conclusion that cedar will stabilize
    quicker then spruce.  I have used both for guitar tops.  I have not
    been able to tell much difference in sound quality.  Either will
    make suitable soundboards.  In my experience,  grain of the material
    make all the difference.  That is,  select material with a grain
    that is perpendicular to the ends ( end grain that is ) and runs
    straight.  I'm not a luthuer,  but have built quit a few string
    instruments,  and have leaned from my mistakes.
2264.3so longSNAX::LECLAIREThu Aug 08 1991 20:4427
    Also the mdial grains play a most important part in tone production.
    These grains are the lines that run across the grain.
    
    Although I have a cedar top  classic, I generally prefer the sound of
    spruce. I can hear the difference. Cedar has whatI call an accent - 
    it just has a little characteristic tone.
    
    It is very important to remember it is the seperate instrument you 
    have to listen to - I bought this cedar guitar because it sounded
    better than other I compared it to at that time and place, spruce
    and cedar. 
    
    What I can say is  listen to the newer Segovia records  - after about
    '63,  and then older things he recorded in the 40's.
    The older records are done with a spruce top giutar made by Herman
    Hauser, Sr. - the sound of that particular instrument is 
    thick and heavy, each note like a damn bomb going off - incredible.
    The cedar tops tends to have a little less distinction of each note,
    and emphisize the harmonics rather than the base .
    
    My teacher at New England Conservatory had a Parpasian ( sic ) with a
    spruce top, immense action and was pretty incredible. But I've seen
    others that were so - so. It depends on the instrument, but if you find
    a spruce top that does the job - you 'll know why spruce is considered
    the Elvis of guitar tops.