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	Wild Thing.
	Sweet Jane.

	Ramones Mania. Then Buzzcocks "Singles going steady".

    Neil Young stuff is great. "Down By The River", "Cowgirl In The Sand",
    "Hurricane", etc.
    
    Also: "All Along The Watchtower", "Not Fade Away", "Sweet Jane", "Louie
    Louie", "Good Loving", "Breakdown" etc.  are all great ones to start with...
    
    Must be dating myself, nothing from the 80s in there...
    
    						Brian

    
    First tunes I remember learning on the bass were...
    
    	"Come On Up" by the Young Rascals
    	"Mustang Sally" (along with 10 million other people)
    	"Knock On Wood" by Eddie Floyd
    
    Looking back, I'd say they're still pretty good tunes to start off
    with on the bass, especially the Eddie Floyd tune. I think I learned
    early on the importance of the bass in keeping a groove.
    
    I'd say they're still good tunes to learn off of, along with dozens
    of other things from back then. 
    
    Peter
                                                            

    
    
    		The first songs I learned were, "House of the Rising
    	Sun" by the Animals and "Gloria" by Them. Talk about dating
    	one's self! 
    
    	DonH
    
    

    The first song I learned was "House of the Rising Sun" by the animals.
    But the song that changed everything for me was "Sultans of swing."
    Funny although that song is "thin" by todays standards of effects usage
    and the like it still makes the old heart skip a beat.
    
    Peter Knight

    Louie Louie												
    
    
    
                              TOMY
    

    Add another to the "House Of The Rising Sun" club.  After that it was
    some Cream tunes, but I can't recall which ones ... see I had the BIG
    note song book, and ....
    
    Scary (who used to be a 4 chord wonder ... 8^)

    How about knockin on heavens door,G,C,D for cords. Very simple but alot
    can be done with it with the right mood.

    I'm just beginning to learn guitar and would like to play "House
    of the Rising Sun" also.  Can you tell me what the chords are?
    
    So far I haven't learned a complete song yet, but here are a couple
    that I know most of:
    Black Sabbath: Paranoid,Iron Man,War Pigs,Electric Funeral,Sabbath
    Bloody Sabbath
    Stones:Waiting on a Friend,Jumpin' Jack Flash,Sympathy For the devil,
    Angie
    David Bowie:Panic in Detroit
    Lou Reed:Sweet Jane
    Led Zep:Stairway to Heaven
    Daddy Cool:Eagle Rock
    
    Alan

    
    "House" is commonly done in A minor.  
    
    
    Am         C        D         F
    There is a house in New Orleans
    
    Am            C        E
    They call the rising sun
    
    Am            C       D           F
    It's been the ruin of many a poor boy
    
    Am         E        Am  E
    And lord I know I'm one

>                      <<< Note 1901.9 by ESKIMO::AUSTIN >>>

>    I'm just beginning to learn guitar and would like to play "House
>    of the Rising Sun" also.  Can you tell me what the chords are?
 
        Am  C  D  F  Am  C  E7
        
        Am  C  D  F  Am  E7 Am
        
        This is one of my test pieces to feel if a guitar 'fits'.  It's
        picked _fast_ using  a  claw  banjo style, with the melody line
        thumb played on the bass strings.

    
    Chords to Eagle Rock:
    
    Verse:
    all A, tag an E on at the end as in:
    
    A                                    E
    Just got to give me a sign and we'll do that Eagle Rock
    
    Chorus:
    
    A                                      G
    Hey hey hey the good old Eagle Rock is here to stay
    
    B                        D            A          E        
    I'm just crazy about the way you move doing that Eagle Rock
    
    A                                       G
    Whoa oh oh you can come on fast you can come on slow
    
    B                        D            A         E     A
    I'm just crazy about the way you move doing the Eagle Rock
    
    
    In the last verse, they substitute in the chords to the chorus when he
    sings:
    
    A                                G
    Now listen, honey we're stepping out
    
                 B             D
    I'm going to turn you around, 
     
    A                              E
    turn you around once and we'll do that Eagle Rock
    
    
    							Brian

    Older Van Halen.  When you're just starting out these are fun.
    try out the first album + the one with Mean Streets on it (jeez, what
    _was_ the name of that one?)...It's just power chords, nonetheless fun.
    I was surprised to see how fast I picked up some of the harder riffs 
    after playing along with it a bit.  
    
    /c
    
    

    I started playing around with an old broken acoustic my cousin
    gave me around 1960. I was 5 at the time. I cut my eye teeth on
    Elvis' "Hound Dog" and Chuck Berry's "Johnny B. Good", and "Blue
    Suede Shoes". My of my favorite tunes during the early 60's was
    the Moody Blues' "Go Now". The vocals and heavy piano in that tune
    still grab me whenever I hear it.
    
    When I think that all this stuff is now 30-35 years old, it really makes
    me feel like I am over the hill.
    
    Mark
    

    My first song was learnt about 20 years ago when I borrowed a friends
    acoustic guitar -- it was "Heart of Gold" by Neil Young. I remember
    thinking how "easy" pop music was (compared to say playing Bach on a
    piano). Soon after we formed a band and played "Johnny B. Goode" and
    "Rise and Fall of Flingle Bunt" (any Shadows fans out there?!). Those
    were the days! I still play guitar but have long since given up on the
    piano.
    
    JZ

        You mean  there's  an  American  who  knows of the Shadows?  I
        thought they were  unheard  of  over  here. I grew up playing
        stuff by them when  the  Shadows were Hank,  Bruce, Jet and
        Tony. :*)
        
        Andy
        

16 replies, and no one has mentioned "Smoke On The Water" yet??????

sheesh.....

8^)

<<16 replies, and no one has mentioned "Smoke On The Water" yet??????

Personally 'bud, I was trying to avoid that one..  {8^)

The ones that surprised me was no one mentioned


"I'd love to Change the World" (Ten Years After)

			and..

"From the Begining"   (ELP)

			and..

"Babe" 	(Zeplin)


Ahh well, I'm headin out for vacaction in a bit, so you guys keep 
things honest in here while I'm gone..

    hey Ray.....
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    No Linnard skinard?......
    
    
    
              ;^)
    
    				Just kiddin....enjoy your vacation
    

    
    	I think it was "proud mary" or "me and bobby mcgee" or was it
    "me n my uncle", by the 'dead?
    
    	Joe

  << hey Ray.....
    <<No Linnard skinard?......
    


ba-de-ba-de-ba-de-ba-de-ba-de... 

humina-humina-humina,,,

 a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a... 


(wince, wince, wince,



			,,, twitch,,, twitch....)



(and that my friends is a noter goin thro an electronic seisure,, terrible
stuff!  Horrifying,, actually, it felt pretty good..)
    



yes and make sure to ,,, "PLAY SOME SKYNNNNNNAAAARRRD " While I'm outa town    
Cote knows all the chords... just axe im...

    The Marines Have Landed on the Shores of Santo Domingo -- Vintage Phil
    Ochs, circa 1968.
    
    LI

	The first 2 songs I learned (was a bass player then) were
	Ziggy Stardust (bowie) and The Ocean (led zep). Boy did The Ocean
	hurt.

    
    The 2 I'm try'in are....
    
    Pipline     by the Chantays...
    
    Jhonny B Goode  ...by you know who....
    
    
    
                            Kevin

    
    How does "Rock around the Clock" go?
    
    Also, I'd love to learn "Me and My Uncle".
    
    Thanks,
    -pat

    LOOOOOOIE LOOOOOIE!!!!!    DAH DAH DAH   DAH DAH   DAH DAH DAH  DAH
    DAH!!!    Back in those days.. no Moms and Dads would suspect that
    there were SWEARS in the lyrics either... <sigh>... we've become such
    cynics!
    
    
    Steve

                    <<< Note 1901.6 by COMET::WICKSTROMT >>>

    Louie Louie
    
    
    
                              TOMY
    

    	YEAH!!!  Another old dude (or especially tasteful younger dude)
    
    [;^()
    

    
    	We had to play Lou-eye Lou-eye for 30 minutes last year at the
    	Guiness Jam.  This year it'll be an hour of Rock around the Clock!

    I never went out of my way to learn Louie, Louie, but I stumbled upon
    it when I was messing around the other day.  I couldn't believe how
    simple it is.
    
    Mike

    
    
    
    
    	Ahhhh yes, little grasshopper, but that is because you haven't yet
    listened with your heart and felt the true meaning of Loooooeye
    Looooeye....  These things take time and patience... [;^)

    Re: .29
    
    Besides, once you've learned "LL" you can also quickly divine "Wild
    Thing", "Hang on Sloopy", "La Bamba", etc.  When you finally discover
    the II chord, you can finally play the bridge to "Good Loving".
    
    What about the Carlos Santana Secret Chord Progression?  8^)  8^)  8^)

       The first tune I learned all the way through (on Bass) 
    was 
    
    Dare I say...
    
    
    
       Cat scratch fever...
    
    
    Then again, I didn't know any better. *8^)

>    Thing", "Hang on Sloopy", "La Bamba", etc.  When you finally discover
    
    I only know the traditional version of "La Bamba", but it sounds more 
    challenging than the Richie Valens version.
    
    Mike

    Very first song on bass was "Bad Moon" by CCR followed by "Down By the
    River" and "Suffragette City" all on the same night. I was playing sax
    in my first band until we lost the bass player. I used to plink around
    on an old acoustic guitar, so I guess this made me a candidate for
    bass ?? Never regretted that decision !!

    
    Here's my list...
    
    VH "Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love", and "Panama".
    
    Styx "Suite Madame Blue", and "Crystal Ball".
    
    Scorpions Blackout Lp, Love At First Sting Lp.
    
    Def Lep High and Dry Lp, Pyromania Lp.
    
    Led Zep Stairway, of course.
    
    Night Ranger Dawn Patrol Lp.
    
    EC's "Cocaine".
    
    Heart "Barracuda" and "Crazy On You".
    
    Kansas "Dust in the Wind".
    
    Randy Rhodes "Dee", "Crazy Train".
    
    Triumph "Spellbound" and "Midsummer's Daydream".
    
    Pink Floyd "Wish You Were Here".
    
    J-Dot

You may find it quite strange, but the first songs I played were Day Tripper, 
What I'd say, Sweet Jane, Yellow submarine and Lady Jane.

It took me six months to find Johnny B. Goode and one year to find Louie Louie !

Now that you know that I'm not very gifted, I can dare to say that I'm still
looking to play "In the beggining" (ELP) (re .18). Is is really that simple ?
Can you give me some clues ?

Thanks in advance.

Didier

    Speakin' as a beginner still working on his "first" songs, the ones
    I've got down (sorta) are:
    
    Me and Bobby Mcgee
    And I Love Her
    Wipeout (great for trying to make yer left hand behave, especially if
    	you play it in G in the 2nd position!)
    lots of old Dylan tunes (open chords, simple strums) 
    Lay Lady Lay (got to learn to move bar chords some time)
    
    - Evan 

    
    
    	Evan, wipeout is all you need,  (with attitude)

    
    	Re: wipeout.
    
    	Ever see the movie "Dark Star"?

    
    How about the Venture's "Walk, don't Run"?
    
    

    Re: .41
    
    Ventures fans can all drool over my "Play Guitar With The Ventures"
    albums, I got three or four of 'em....

    The first tuned I ever learned?  Gee, I guess that would be:
    
    	The Clap, by Steve Howe w. Yes
    
    
    
    Just kidding...  it's just that you guys are naming some tunes that
    strike me as being nearly impossible for a true "beginner".  Have
    I got the purpose of this note mixed up?
    
    I went thru two stages of guitar.  I started out the first time
    when I was about 9 or 10 taking lessons in a music store.  I did
    get to learn some 1st position chords, but that was about it.  It
    didn't amount to much.
    
    I started getting serious about guitar again in college after seeing
    Steve Morse play, and I have stuck with it on and off since then
    although I'm beginning to decide that I should stick to keyboards.
    
    I think the first real song I learned was "Banapple Gas" by Cat
    Stevens.  I'm remember thinking I was pretty cool cause unlike my
    other friends, I finally knew a song that ventured above the first
    3 or 4 frets.   I even have a vague recollection of being blown away
    by seeing Morse and telling someone "you should seen this guy, he
    played ALL over the neck" as if that was unusual.
    
    Anyway, the tunes *I* learned as a beginner were much more modest
    than some of the stuff mentioned here:
    
    o Smoke on the Water - the main riff is so easy that sometimes when
      I'm teaching it to new players, I put their fingers in place and
      rather than have them move their fingers with the chord change,
      I slide the guitar through their fingers (sorta like a trombone).
    
    o Barracuda (my first venture into learning harmonics)
    
    o The intro to Roundabout (my 2nd venture into harmonics)
    
    O I Walk the Line by Johnny Cash (my 1st venture into country style
      pickin')
    
    	db

>    o Barracuda (my first venture into learning harmonics)
    
    I always wondered how this song.  Not so much the chord progression,
    but the trick to playing the chords that fast.  How do they get
    that 'machine gun' sound?
    
    
    Mike

    That's a combination of right hand picking and muting.
    
    Greg

Yessir.  Like Greg said, it's all the right hand there.  In the heavy metal
circles I hang with, we'd probably call it chugging, cuz it kind sounds like
an old train.

It takes a little practice, but ground the palm of your right along the bridge
where the strings cross the saddles, then chugaway at it alternating up/down
picking.

jc

    
    -1 (muting)
    
    as heard in just about every Metallica tune ever written !!
    
    The first real song I learned (other than all those goofy old folk songs) 
    was 'Purple Haze' by the big H. Nowadays I'm playing a screaming version 
    of J.S. Bach's "Well Tempered Cavier" in C minor. 
    

>as heard in just about every Metallica tune ever written !!

Well, thats the advanced method.  I didn't want anyone to hurt themselves.

;)

    
    "Barracuda" has got some odd time signatures and if ya wanna make it
    sound right, ya gotta do it exactly the way it's written.
    ie.  Intro is in 4/4, but the verse time changes EVERY BAR; E is played
    3/4, 2/4, and 4/4 then, chord change to C in 4/4.  
    
    Once ya get over that, it can be a blast to play!!! 
    
    J.

    Plus the passing harmonic stuff after the 1st chorus are fun to play,
    especially over the top of the neck !
    
    Scary

    
    Poseur!  ;^>
    
    J.

Re: Barracuda

So what power cords are being used?  One of the Guitar mags had it a month or 2
ago, but I can't remember how it went.

Mike

E - F#5 and G I think.  Dunno, don't have my guitar handy.

jc (Who thinks it's that or F and F#)

    It's F# - G
    
    Just think Eminor!

    
    Yup, I concur with Buck.  It's F#.  But usually, I don't use more 
    than a bass note or the 5th.  
    
    Mike, I can show you how the basic song goes while you're here if 
    you want...
    
    J.

    Sure J-Dot.  I'm bringing my guitar at a minimum!
    
    Mike

Whaaaa....I wanna play...
jc

    Well, get your butt out here...

I'm workin' on it.

jc

    me too ;-)
    
    Mike

Brian ?

You in the wrong note long hair ??

;)

    Yep!  I'm in the wrong note...

    
    Yeah, that's my friend you're callin' "long hair"!
    Hair lips!  ;^>
    
    Hey, this could prove to be a lot of fun if we ALL get together.
    That is as long as Coop can keep his dirty little fingers off his
    volume and also my Boogie!  ;^>
    
    J.

Dear Fellow Longhairs:

Lets have a volume war, so we can see who is the king of the peak !
;)
jc

    My vote's for J, he's always too loud.   ;^)

I'm curious as to how my 100wt M1 will fare!  I know its LOUD!

Mike

    Don't worry - my M3 in 60W made the rack from hell hustle one night,
    remember Coop ?  "Knockin' On Heaven's Door", over and over and over
    and ...   8^)
    
    Scary (who plays that d*mn song every weekend, and thinks about that
    every time !)

Metaltronix is "built to blast"...

    
    I can see us all getting ticketted...
    
    J.

    They have to catch you first, right? ;-)  If the cops walk in, we can
    put everything on 10 and watch their ears bleed ;-)
    
    Mike

    
    Been watchin' "Heavy Metal" once too often, Mike!
    
    ;^>
    
    J.

    How about simple solos for beginners that are just becoming familiar
    with scales?  Any examples?
    
    Mike

    
    About a year, year and a half ago, when I was just startin' out with 
    scales, and lead, I tackled "Always With Me, Always With You."
    It really taught me a lot to learn this song(although it took me good
    two or three months), such as bends, vibrato, harmonic monor, etc.
    
    Another good one was "Midsummer's Daydream", the one you heard me 
    play(and screw up) on Greg's accoustic.
    
    Or "Dee" is another good one...
    
    I find that any solos that are hum-able or whistle-able can be learned
    without TOO much pain...
    
    I hope this is what you were talkin' bout.  Cause I know you Ain't
    Talkin' 'Bout Love.  ;^)  Inside joke.
    
    J.

    
    	RE: .73
    
    	Try "We're not Gonna Take it" by Twisted Sister.
    
    	[Then again, this might be TOO simple.]
    
    							GTI
    

    I'm Not Gonna Take That!

    
    Hey Mike,
    
    A really good solo to get your phrasing and string bending up to
    scratch is Vito Brata's "When the Children Cry".
    
    Its a very slow, very melodic solo, and it has a couple of slow taps in
    it, so you can impress people at parties, or make them cry round a camp
    fire 8^).
    
    Cheers,
    -Tony

    
    RE: .77 
    
    Yup.  I'm not a big fan of Vito's playing, but this solo has got to be
    one of his bestest.
    
    J.

    
    If anybody wants it, I can tab it out in here.

    
    
         Com'on you guys.  Load in some simple songs while your at it.
    
         Rick.
    
    
         _Who_is_still_a_beginner_after_kicking_those_damn_guitars_around_
    _the_house_for_a_stinking_year_and_frustrated_as_hell_
    
    
    
    
          ...and still lovn it!
    
    

    
    "Wish You Here", "Is There Anybody Out There?", "Mother", blah, blah,
    blah.
    
    J.

    
    
    	Watch out, I'm in serious mode now!!!   Steve Greve... Serious
    about noting...  Hee Hee stopit, I'm gonna die laughin!!!
    
    
    	Here's a cool and jazzy comp that I think I've put in here before,
    but I can't find it cause of all the trashy one-liner notes!!  I show
    this to every beginner I meet, really put a smile on their little
    faces.  I think it's an am9 resolving to a D13, but I'll leave the
    chord ID to the techies.. sounds cool, give it a carlos santana kind of
    beat.   Da Da Da Da.... Da Da Dah
    
    
    e
    g
    g     5   5
    d     5   4
    a
    e
    
    
    

    re: Steve
    
    In terms of intervals, isn't that a 4th resolving into a major 3rd ?
    
    -Tony (who never knew a great deal about intervals)

Tony, I think you're reading the chart upside down.  Steve typo'd and left two
g strings, but I think he meant:

                           e
 typo in previous note --> b
                           g     5   5
                           d     5   4
                           a
                           e
    
Which would make it a fourth to a diminished five interval.  Actually, if you
play an A pedal tone underneath, you'll probably hear Amin7 - D7; though the D7 
is not completely filled out.

I'll sometimes use diminished five intervals for dominant 7 chords - especially
if you're playing a bunch of chords real fast.

steve

    
    Yup, wrong way round, but I get it now. 
    
    What is the correct way to refer to these intervals in terms of chord
    names ? Eg, If you play a typical I/V powerchord, without the octave, 
    then you're playing a perfect fifth. If you raise the fifth degree its 
    an augumented 5th, lower it then its a diminished 5th etc.. whats the
    name for these two note 'chords' and how is it arrived at ? (eg, how did 
    you arive at the Amin7 and D7 chord names)
    
    Confused of REO
    -Tony

    
    If you're sounding *only* the two notes you indicated, you have G and C
    in the first position and F# and C in the second.
    
    Am7 = A + C + E + G
    
    D7 = D + F# + A + C
    
    As one reply said, if soemone (like the bass) plays an A (or perhaps A
    first, D second) underneath those two notes, those two chords are
    suggested.  By definition, two notes are an interval only, you need
    three notes (two intervals) to have a chord.
    
    							Brian

    Speak of the devil...
    
    "Smoke on the Water" is in the new issue of GFTPM.

    
    Hi Brian,
    
    Thanks for the help so far, but, using the 4th interval as the example,
    the notes C and G are relative to many chords (eg A Minor (natural), 
    Cmajor etc..). how did you arive at the chord of Amin7 ?
    
    Sorry to sound so dumb, I never did know a heck of a lot about intervals.
    -Tony

    Sorry, but G doesn't belong to Am.  Am has only A-C-E.  
    
    A lot depends on the context.  Whip out yout little change while the
    bass player is thumping an A and it's going to sound like Am7.  If the
    starts slamming the C, it'll sound more like C.  
    
    The third and the seventh are important in defining the chord type
    (major/minor, simple triad or extended, etc.) so that you can actually
    start throwing away notes from a chord and still have it recognizable.
    The fifth is the first one you can dispense with (unless you are trying
    to play a dim. or aug.) and then the root becomes dispensable!
    
    Look at it this way:  What's a C6? C-E-G-A  What's Am7? A-C-E-G
    OK, if you play those four notes, which chord is it?  It depends on the
    context, that's all...
    
    							Brian

    
    Back to beginner songs...  Any of you guys play Smithereens? 
    How about "Blues Before and After"?  
    
    Thanks,
    -pat

    
    
    	Sorry! has 3, count 'em 3 Smithereens songs in the
    setlist:
    
    	Blood and Roses
    	Behind The Wall of Sleep
    	Drown in my own tears
    
    	If I had my way, we'd do a couple more too!
    
    -Tom
    big, Big, BIG Smithereens Fan
    

    
    	Yabbut Tom, I wanna know how to play 'em too!  Can ya post some
    	help in the transcriptions topic?  I guess I put my request in the
    	wrong topic ( ) <---  formerly a smiley face.  
    
    	-pat (just funnin' guys)

    
    
    re.89 Brian
    
    I get it now, thanks.
    
    (BTW, when I said that G was relative to Aminor, I meant the key of Am,
    not the chord).
    
    Many thanks,
    -Tony

    
    	"Why Get Up?" by the Fabulous Thunderbirds is a great, easy 
    	blues tune for beginners.  Funky beat, fun lyrics and lots
    	of lead breaks.  It's a I, IV, V in Bb.  BTW, CPP Belwin 
    	publications has a great series called Axe Traxx.  I have
    	books on Robert Cray and The T-Birds and they are EXCELLENT.
    
    	-pat (4 cups of Joe this morning and I'm pumpin'!)
    

    Pat,
    
    I have the Robert Cray book for Strong Persuader.  It includes all the
    solos and has really helped me to clean up my barre chords.  I would
    really be interested in the T-bird book.  Does it deal with a specific
    T-bird CD?  Are the solos included?
    
    Regards,
    
    Mike (aspiring NH blues novice)

    
    	The T-Bird book has exactly the same format as the Robert Cray
    	book.  Except that it covers two albums.  Tuff Enuff and (I think)
    	Hot Number.  If you like, I can look up the part number.
    
    	-pat

    If the part number is handy I would like it.  I'll place the order 
    tonight so I can give myself an extra present for X-mas.
    
    Thanks,
    Mike

    
    
    	What I really want to do is agree with the Blair Unit on Why Get
    Up, by the T-Birds.. Killer toon, Pat.  We're lsitening to the same
    records, dude, pretty scary, huh?  I'd be willing to bet that their are
    no male units on the planet who can't indentify with SOMETHING in that
    song.  I thought it had a ton of words, but hey, what do I know?
    
    
    Gree Vee

        re- T-birds/Cray books.
    
    	If you can provide a ordering method for both the T-Birds and
    	Robert Cray, please do.
    				Thanks,
    				Dave.

    
    	Grevie, you should also check out Chicago Line by John Mayall
    	if you haven't yet.  F#%k you to tears solos all over the place.
    	I guarantee you'll like it.
    
    
    	Re: Ax Traxx
    
    	CPP/Belwin		If you write 'em they'll provide names
    	15800 N.W. 48th Ave	of dealers in your vicinity.
    	Miami, Fl 33014
    
    
    	Robert Cray		Strong Persuader	P0784SMX
    	
    	Fab Thunderbirds 	Hot Number/Tuff Enuff	P0798SMX