Conference napalm::guitar

Three recommendations:

1. Get a Fender reverb unit.  I haven't seen one in a long time, but I
   used one with a Fender Bandmaster, since it came w/o reverb.  If you 
   can find one, I would guesstimate a price of $75 - $100 (US).  Certainly
   a traditional sounding reverb. 

2. Buy some outboard processing unit...a Yamaha SPX-90 is one example.  This
   digital effects unit has many 'built-in' effects or you can build your
   own.  There a couple of nice canned reverb sounds in the SPX-90: plate,
   spring, large hall, small hall,...

   If you decide to choose this more modern route, others in this note 
   will be able to guide in choosing the right unit; the SPX-90 is one
   of a number of effects processors.  I haven't seen an inexpensive 
   processor of this type; the Yamaha is around $500 (US).

3. There may be a reverb footpedal available, in which case I would 
   expect it to cost maybe $125 (US).

Regards,
John Kelly

    I too have been going through a similar thought process.
    
    I have a Fender Champ 12 which has a lousy reverb. So do I get....
    
    a) Analogue Delay pedal
    b) Digital Delay pedal
    c) Effects box (as in previous reply)
    d) Some other option?
    
    I can't help thinking the most long term cost efficient is the effects
    box.
    
    Richard
    Basingstoke, UK

	Get a better tank and have mount it in the champ enclosure.

	I have one of those amps an they botched the reverb big-time.

	Accutronics makes nice ones: 708-639-4723. They're in Cary, IL, USA

how about a Digital Reverb Pedal ?  I've never used one, not being into
reverb for guitar...

jc

    I hated reverb. None of those spring jobs ever sounded good to me.
    Solid state is definitely the way to go. Regarding pedals vs.
    rackmount: Rackmount effect units cost more up front, but will save you
    a bundle in the long run.
    
    							John.

	No accounting for taste ;-).

	I love that murky amplifier reverb sound. Especially playing
	blues music. No distortion, just amp reverb. I hope springs
	never go away.

	rathole topic:

		anybody know how they did the reverb on Ricky Nelson's
	"Hello Mary Lou" ? That's gotta be one of the scarriest tracks
	in all of 20th century music.

    Since the author of .0 is asking specifically for reverb, and wants
    to keep the cost down, I would suggest something like a Boss RV2
    which sells for about $150. Others in the same pricerange are available
    from Digitech, Ibanez, DOD, Peavey, etc.
    
    The rack mount units with more than one effect are known as 
    multi-effect units. These range in price from around $200 to
    several thousand.  Personally, if I were going to spend $150
    for a reverb pedal, I would consider getting an Alesis MidiverbII,
    because these (rack-mount) units have 99 digital effects (including
    regular reverbs, reverse reverb, gated reverb, delay, chorus,
    flange, and 10 special effects) all for ~$200. There are many 
    other units on the market that offer more effects, or allow you
    to layer two or more effects, but the prices are considerably
    more money. I'll add more info later. Gotta run.
    
    Mark Jacques
    
    
    

    Re: .7, Boss RV2
    
    I know the original noter was in the UK somewheres, but for US types,
    Sam Ash is blowing out RV2 s at $75 each, while they last.
    
    1-800-472-6274
    
    

    Re: -1
    
    How do you guys find out about these blowouts (i.e., Sam Ash)?  Are you
    on some sort of mailing list?
    
    Mike

    Im played a Fender Super 60 (I think ...) last week.  Little combo job,
    tubes, 1x12" .... that's the amp ya need ...
    
    Couple that with a Strat *and* a Les Paul.
    
    Effects ?  Grab a Cry Baby, and 2 20' cables and go play.
    
    
    				Scary

    RE: .7
    
    While I'd agree with Mark J that the Midiverb II is a good piece of
    equipment, I wouldn't recommend it for the base noter (sorry, I've
    forgotten your name). Reasons?
    
    First, prices on this side of the pond are exorbitent compared to the
    US. I picked up a Midiverb II, heavily discounted, for �210 - that's
    over $300. Standard retail is around �300. The base noter is in
    Ireland, where I believe prices are even higher.
    
    Second, the Midiverb really works best at line levels, rather than
    instrument levels - I doubt that a small practice amp has an effects
    loop.
    
    Third, the Midiverb II is a stereo unit, and designed for high-tec use.
    Like another noter, I don't think you can beat spring reverb for an
    authentic blues tone.
    
    So, just to offer my 2c worth, I'd go for a spring reverb unit if you
    can pick one up (unlikely), or buy a reverb pedal, which shouldn't set
    you back more than �50.
    
    Nick

    
    
    Hi all
    
    Thanks very much I've kept all the replies for when I'm on my next
    couse in the UK. As the last noter said prices of that kind of stuff
    here are crazy here at the moment, a real rip-off as they should
    not really be that much more expensive...Roll on 1992....\
    
    Paul 

    
    Does anybody have any experience with any of the reverb stomp boxes?
    Like the Boss RV2, etc?  I woke up this morning and decided I was gonna
    trash my whole multi-effects approach and go back to stomp boxes where
    there was less equipment romancing.  Also, I was intrigued by the idea
    in .1(?) about replacing the spring unit in my KH.  The 3 springer I 
    have is noisy and enemic compared to the "water tank" sound of my
    DSP 128+.  One other dumb question.  Is it advantageous to have some
    effects in the effect loop and some before the preamp?  Ie; does the
    following make sense assuming on-board distortion and out-board reverb?
    
    	effects loop:	delay/reverb
    	
    	before preamp:	wah/chorus
    
    -pat

    Unless you want a real subtle chorus effect, Pat, you probably want it
    in the efx loop too.  Why not just stick the DSP in there and add a wah
    in front and you've already got your setup without buying a bunch of
    stomp boxes.  
    
    The reverb stomps I've seen went for at least $150-$200 and didn't
    sound as good as the DSP you already have, then you'd have to buy a
    delay and a chorus (each about $80-$120) and you will have spent a
    bundle.
    
    Greg

    
    Thanks Greg.  So you're saying have delay, chorus, and reverb in the
    loop and keep the wah in front?  I have a decent delay (pds1002) and
    chorus (peavey digital type) pedal already so I only need a decent 
    sounding reverb.  That's where I was at when I bought the 128+...

    
    Pat.  Stick with what you got, man.  That'll save you money AND 
    your marriage.  8*)
    
    Seriously, I don't see why you're looking into delay pedal.  I find
    dps128+ to be plenty flexible to grow/ungrow with me...
    
    J.

    No Pat - definitely ditch the DSP .... do you wanna play or be a
    programmer ?   Wagagagaga ....   8^)
    
    Scary

    Yeah, Scary wants the DSP.  What a friend eh ?
    
    Yo Pat, the one thing I like about the DSP is the "set it, forget it"
    thing.  I like those "Ultimate Reverbs" for recording AND live.  I
    haven't even plugged a MIDI cable into it yet.
    
    jc

    
    Moot discussion guys.  Jerry officially owns it now.  Whew!  I feel
    bluesier already 8^).  I want the real time, understanding and control 
    of my old stompers, even if they don't have the capabilities of the rack 
    stuff.  I realize that perhaps some midi controls and the like would help, 
    but I wasn't comfortable with the direction my gear and sound was headin'.  
    More power to the rack masters, but it just don't feel right for me now.  
    Hey J., good thing I didn't sell the PDS1002, eh?  Any other 'verb pedal 
    recommendations besides the Boss RV2?  
    
    -pat (ex rack puke)

    Pat,
    
    Want that vintage sound ?
    
    I suggest you head down to DixieLand Music (aka- vintage stuff
    junkyard) and pick up that Echoplex that he's had forever.  He'd
    probably let it go for a song, and you just can't beat them for
    the wild sounding verbs and delays...  Jon Butcher still uses them
    and Hendrix was REAL big on echoplex too...
    
    They work on a tape loop !
     
    jc (Who played the one at Dixieland, and loved it)

    I used to have a similar unit made by Univox (yep, I'm *that* old !)
    and it was pretty neat for those days ... but that was before
    electricity and .....
    
    Scary (more toys than sense these days ...)

    I also had a Univox. Mine used a small tape cassette that plugged
    into the back. The tape drive alignment was poor, and the unit
    seemed to work when it fealt like working. If you pushed on the
    tape, the unit would kick in. I got to the point where I was shoving
    matchbooks and other foreign objects in the slot to force the tape
    to align. It was about as reliable as a cheap 8-track tape player.
    I gave it to my cousin. 
    
    The Echoplex units worked much better. They sold more than one
    length tape. I think they offered tapes of 30 seconds, 1 minute,
    and 2 minutes loops. I think some (if not all) of the Echoplex
    units ran on vacuum tubes. 
    
    Roland also made a tape echo called the "Space Echo", which was
    also a good quality tape echo unit. 
    
    For a long time a wanted an Echoplex, and it was high on my priority
    list, but by the time I was ready to buy one, rack-mount digital
    delays were available cheap, and could be rack-mounted. 
    
    Mark
    

    Yeah, it was the Roland that he has down there Pat.  Go scope it
    out.  Real vintage sounding.
    
    jc (Who is in mourning.  I thought you were gonna follow in my
        footsteps and be a MIDI rack puke.  ;)

    Yep, a stack of picks usually kept my tape unit working too ... it was
    way cool at the time though !   Almost groovy ....    8^)
    
    Scary