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1718.1 | shields up, scotty! | MPGS::MIKRUT | Avoid the Noid! | Wed Mar 14 1990 14:14 | 9 |
| Well if money's no object, then a Fender Strat through a Marshall
stack has satisfied many legendary blues groups in the past and
present.
But then again, I'm sure that the noters in this file will disagree
whereas, they're preference will be a non-strat through a Kitty
Hawk, of course! :^)
cheers/mike
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1718.2 | They;re still good. | FACVAX::BUCKLEY | No one home in my house of pain | Wed Mar 14 1990 14:15 | 1 |
| Even though I went Kitty, I still love a Marshall.
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1718.3 | ! | GOOROO::CLARK | say goodbye to Madame George | Wed Mar 14 1990 15:33 | 12 |
| just to digress a bit ...
.0: you actually OWN an Ibanez '59er? I thought I was the only
person in the world who did! I like it but I never play it because
I have a Strat and I can't switch back and forth comfortably.
Any idea of FMV for these babies?
By the way, keep your present rig and get a Tube Screamer and
you'll be pretty close to there!
-Dave
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1718.4 | | DNEAST::BOTTOM_DAVID | Nice computers don't go down | Wed Mar 14 1990 19:44 | 3 |
| Well I'd say use a strat and a kitty!! :-)
dbii
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1718.5 | What more could you ask for! | CSC32::H_SO | | Wed Mar 14 1990 23:41 | 16 |
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OK, OK, I'll be different! 8)
Get a Mesa Boogie Mark 3! With the built-in EQ, you'd get all the
variations you'd ever want! *Instantly* switchable from Metallica tone
to Country twang and crunch rhythm mode in between! The lead channel
and the rhythm channels are 90% independent of each other, and the
2 rhythm channels are dependent on one another.
I am not kidding, we do play a country number just for kicks(don't stone
me to death, guys! Just ONE song! 8) ), and single coil at the bridge
and the Boogie on clean channel is all I need! Press on the lead and
boom! Fat, over drive for daze!!! Throw a rackmount in the loop and
that's all I'll ever need! Accepts my 12 string very well, also!
J.
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1718.6 | Getting forgetful! | CSC32::H_SO | | Wed Mar 14 1990 23:56 | 10 |
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RE: -.1
Oh, by the way, if you're trying out a Mk3, make sure you spend some
time with it. I wasn't happy with mine until 3 days after I had
brought it home. All the controls are a little dizzying at first
but the rewards are great! I can honestly say that there aren't alot
of sounds that I cannot get out of my Boogie!
J.
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1718.7 | Tone settings are overlooked! | JUPITR::DIETZ | | Thu Mar 15 1990 10:15 | 42 |
| If it is a blues sounding guitar that you want I sugjest
that you start experimenting more with the "tone" of your along with
your amp. As far as using certain guitars and amps you would have to
spend literally thousands of dollars to purhase a variety of
instruments to get the "EXACT" (I realise you can get "close" or
simular sounds/tones with certain more advance equipment of today)
sound of the perfomers that you had mentioned, especially the studio
sound versus the live sound and the "quite" different equipment people
had used to get their "rocorded" versions. For example Pete Townshend
ofthe Who in the very early days/begining used a "Rick" for live and
studio versions, in the late sixties to the late seventies he used a
Gold top Les Paul live and in the studio he like to use (I'm not
kidding) of all things a Gretsch (I believe he said in various
interviews over the years he used them in songs like: The best I ever
had, really just about any song from the sixties that he did with a
very HEAVY vibrato sound). Later on Pete switch over to Teles. Other
artists that you had mentioned like Eric Clapton also used a variety of
guitars/amps , I had seen many of pictures of Clapton (even in the
early days of Mayalls band/ and even the Yardbirds usings Fender amps.)
using differnet set-ups. Well getting back to tone, a long time ago I
saw an interview with Eric (this was in the Cream days towards the end
when he had his hair permed and had the Pyscodelic painted Gibson SG
Les Paul) he was explaing how he got his tone (basically) He like to
use the lead pick up with the tone turned down almost all the way down
to one or so, then on his amp he had the treble all the way up, Bass
down to about 2 and the Mid up to 5. Then of course try using different
ammounts of distortion to top it of. You got to remeber in those days
they didn't have the technolgy that they have today so they tend to
work more with "what they had"! B.B. KIng uses a simular approach to
this sound except using the middle pick-up of his ES-335. So as you can
see altering your tone (a Hendrix strat sound vrs the "today Eric C.
sound) with your guitar/and or amp makes a BIG difference. I strictly
play blues and find this approach very practicle (later on you can add
different effects, delay,reverb ect.) Well I hope this helped you out a
bit..............take it easy and have fun playing the blues...........
Charley d.
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1718.8 | Consider an SG | VLNVAX::ALECLAIRE | | Fri Mar 16 1990 09:16 | 1 |
| That Psycodelic SG might have been done by Peter Max.
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1718.9 | me simplicity. | CMBOOT::EVANS | if you don't C# you'll Bb | Fri Mar 16 1990 09:21 | 35 |
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>>He like to
>>use the lead pick up with the tone turned down almost all the way down
>>to one or so, then on his amp he had the treble all the way up, Bass
>>down to about 2 and the Mid up to 5.
I saw a similar interview where he used a Les Paul into a Marshall
Combo. He had all tone & presence up full & pre-amp at about 8-9.
On the guitar he had bridge tone & volume on full, neck tone full, vol
just over 1.
I use almost exactly the same except I have a Boss graphics pedal
in line. I set the Boss up to beef up the mid range. So I get a
clean(ish) sound if I gently strum a chord on the neck PU, if I go a
little harder the crunch starts coming in for heavy rhythm playing.
If I want a good blues lead sound I go to the middle position on the LP
which gives a rich sustained sound, the treble position gives a
typicl screaming LP sound. If I bring the Boss into play I can pull
harmonics or tap & it really cooks ( take my hands off the strings & it
howls like a she wolf on heat!).
The thing here is that people (mainly green youngsters I admit)have
looked at my set up & asked where the rest is, like they can't believe
you can get so many sounds out of a Marshall & a Les Paul.
I guess it depends on the range of stuff you intend to play as to
what you consider versatile, but in my case I only added the Boss recently
(I don't always use it even now) & I reckon I can fit in with most
styles.
It's amazing what you can do with an amp, chord, axe & a bit of
experimentation, it's also cheap (well....Y'know compared to mega racks).
Cheers
Pete.
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1718.10 | all right! | RAVEN1::DANDREA | Frog lickers unite! | Fri Mar 16 1990 09:46 | 6 |
| Amen Pete! I'm using a Les Paul and a Kitty Hawk 100w Head thru a
Peavey 4 X 12 cab, and I'm just learning to get the tones I want.
There are some GREAT "classic" tones with the LP and a "good 'ol"
tube amp, tho! I'm gonna try the one you depict in .9 this weekend..
Cheers from Steve D. 8)
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1718.11 | Quick tip Steve. | CMBOOT::EVANS | if you don't C# you'll Bb | Fri Mar 16 1990 12:00 | 15 |
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Re -1 Steve.
If you're trying it out here's a tip. Set the LP neck PU to about 1.5
as if you have it any lower it will load the bridge PU when you switch &
no leap in volume will occur. Also when you find the optimum position
for the neck PU volume, set the amp pre-gain so that if you gently strum a
chord it's clean(ish) & when you really start kicking a good 12 bar it
crunches. If you get that right the lead tones from the mid & treble
positions virtually look after themselves.
Go kick some butt my man & let me know how it goes....I think you'll
find out why God gave us the Les Paul:-) Have Fun now!!!!
Cheers
Pete
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1718.12 | Eric becomes psycodelic! | JUPITR::DIETZ | | Fri Mar 16 1990 12:29 | 11 |
| note #1718.8...............The painted SG Les Paul that Eric
Clapton used was painted by an Italian artist. This same artist painted
all of the Beatles equipment (Magical M Tour). I don't remember the
name.................If it's really buggin ya, try the Beatles notes
file.................I'm sure they can help.............charley d.
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1718.13 | yes, yes..... | RAVEN1::DANDREA | Frog lickers unite! | Fri Mar 16 1990 13:21 | 3 |
| RE: .11
Thanks, Pete....|)
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1718.14 | More INFO PLEASE | WFOVX5::WALTHALL | | Wed Mar 21 1990 10:20 | 15 |
| When you folks speak of Strats, what model? neck size ? Year?
I really enjoyed playing an Ibenez with a 21" neck (flat)
so bending notes was EASY, they matched right up, effortless.
Are there Strats with 21" (flat) necks maybe the 59" reissue?
What are the advantages/drawbacks to the flat neck....arched neck?
Another question is... what exactly is a Tube Screamer ?
I was thinking of adding a pre-amp volume control to my Fender
Deluxe reverb so I can get that "buzz saw" John Lennon sound
at low volume.Won't hurt the resale value will it?
Just another tricky day,
Tom .0
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1718.15 | foot pedal.... | RAVEN1::DANDREA | Frog lickers unite! | Thu Mar 22 1990 12:47 | 10 |
| RE: -1
An Ibanez Tube Screamer is foot operated volume/distortion booster that
is intended to emulate the tone you'd get from a tube amplifier cranked
to the moon. I've been using mine religiously with a small Peavey
solid state amp, BUT I discovered last night that my Kitty Hawk 100
watt tube head has a WONDERFUL tone with the clean channel volume
turned up. My tube screamer might just get a rest this weekend.....
Steve D.
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1718.16 | Jammin' with Morris ... | ASAHI::SCARY | Joke 'em if they can't take a ... | Thu Mar 22 1990 18:55 | 8 |
| I discovered the same thing by accident last week ... I was trying to
boost my lead channel and due to bright stage lights and my blindness,
I was turning up the clean channel instead ! So when I went to play
"Stormy Monday" - WHOA !!! Guess I need 3 channels, no I need more
midi stuff, no I need .....
Scary
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1718.17 | Greg House for Prez! | CSC32::H_SO | | Thu Mar 22 1990 20:28 | 7 |
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RE: -.1 >>Guess I need 3 channels, no I need more midi stuff, no I
need....
.....Mesa Boogie Mark 3! ;-)
J.
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1718.18 | | ASAHI::SCARY | Joke 'em if they can't take a ... | Thu Mar 22 1990 23:02 | 4 |
| Nope .... ADA MP-1, with 125 presets to spare !
Scary
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1718.19 | Stormy Friday... | DNEAST::GREVE_STEVE | If all else fails, take a nap... | Fri Mar 23 1990 08:59 | 10 |
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Scary, speaking of stormy monday, I really like that song, for some
reason I like the McCoys version best... You guys are too young to
remember the McCoys right??? Could you post the chord changes for
me???
Thanks,
Steve
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1718.20 | McCoys as in | SMURF::BENNETT | Murican Cars, Murican Guitars | Fri Mar 23 1990 10:48 | 4 |
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"Sloopy let yer hair hang down, girl, let it hang down on me" ?
Cmon
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1718.21 | | DNEAST::GREVE_STEVE | If all else fails, take a nap... | Fri Mar 23 1990 10:59 | 3 |
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Yo, fellow old guy!!!! ;^)
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1718.22 | they don't give a f*ck about anybody else... | BUSY::JMINVILLE | rockin' through the wilderness | Fri Mar 23 1990 11:16 | 8 |
| The McCoys featuring 17 year old Rick Derringer on guitar.
Gee, he really was a "Showbiz Kid". I guess that explains why
Becker and Fagen let him play slide guitar on the song of the
same name ("Countdown To Ecstasy").
joe.
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1718.23 | | IOENG::JWILLIAMS | Welcome to the Bush League | Fri Mar 23 1990 12:07 | 7 |
| Stormy Monday:
G7 C9 G7 G# G7
C9 G7 Am Bm A#
D9 C9 G7 C9 G7 D9
John.
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1718.24 | | TCC::COOPER | MIDI-Kitty-ADA-Metaltronix rack puke | Fri Mar 23 1990 13:23 | 3 |
| ADA MP1 Roolzzz...
;)
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1718.25 | | FACVAX::BUCKLEY | Claimin'! | Fri Mar 23 1990 13:29 | 2 |
| You might even wanna check out the new Blues '59 amp that Metaltronix
just released!
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1718.26 | Blues `59 | SMURF::BENNETT | Pull Claim Blend? Say What? | Fri Mar 23 1990 15:36 | 7 |
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Oh, Buck - do tell. Better'n a showman?
.21 - I remember first hearing that I was about 7.
I'm now that the wonderful age of Thirty-Nothing, I've left my
tween's behind ( twenty-teen, twenty-one-teen....)
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1718.27 | | FACVAX::BUCKLEY | Claimin'! | Fri Mar 23 1990 16:04 | 8 |
| -1
Not sure if it's better than a showman. I bet it is, however...as the
whole Metaltronix line is geared towards a custom hot-rodded amp. The
M-1000 was for people who wanted a full-blown Marshall tone...I can
only guess the Blues '59 is like a hot-rodded Fender (like boggies!).
EU in Boston has one...try it out!
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