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1707.1 | | TCC::COOPER | MIDI-Kitty-ADA-Metaltronix rack puke | Fri Mar 09 1990 14:27 | 20 |
| Tell your 'friend' to go for a Charvel dude !
;)
You knew I'd say that.
Also, Ibanez and BC Rich are EXCELLENT guitars... To me versatility is the key.
A guitar that can have zillions of different tone configs is important to me.
I always felt there were two types of guitar connoisseur... There the type that
wants a guitar for each sound (s)he wants, and ends up with a Gibson for the
Gibson tone...A Fender for the Fender tone, and Rick for the Rick tone etc...
Then there is the guy who wants like one or two guitars that can emulate them
all of the above with reasonable accuracy. Not that either type is bad, because
the only way to get a Gibson tone is to own a Gibson; Bulldawg will attest to
that...But a Gibson will not emulate a Fender ya know ?
Just jc's $.02
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1707.2 | 1 of each please | SALEM::DWATKINS | The Plus runs out of numbers... | Fri Mar 09 1990 14:36 | 5 |
| Personally I like my combo. 1 Strat and 1 Les Paul hey, it works
for me...
Don
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1707.3 | yer a strat cat? | FREEBE::REAUME | rollin' rack! | Fri Mar 09 1990 14:47 | 9 |
| Ditto... If you got a strat (or strat clone) AND a Les Paul (or a
LP clone) then you got all your bases covered. I prefer neck-thru
style strats (like my BC) because I like sustain and I try to avoid
that "too thin" strat sound. Heritage is supposed to have a decent
LP clone, and the Epiphone version is somewhat cheaper. BC Rich
has been thru some recent changes (see 1144.*) and I'm not sure
what the future holds for them. There's tons of info elsewhere in
this conference - happy hunting!
-mOoB- (TGIF)
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1707.4 | | KIDVAX::ALECLAIRE | | Fri Mar 09 1990 15:00 | 5 |
| Les Paul. The Charvel is too much like a strat.
But I wuldn't say that all the bases are covered,
beside I don't like Gibsons. But a mahogany guitar for sure.
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1707.5 | ex | SALEM::ABATELLI | Who's D.B. Wilfred?? | Fri Mar 09 1990 15:02 | 22 |
| If he already likes his Strat, he probably would like the same
type of "feel" in his second guitar too. Ibanez puts out a really
nice guitar. If he likes the "single coil" guitars and wants
something different, then I'd go with a humbucker/single coil/humbucker
combination. There are many different ones out there to choose
from. Versatility is the name of the game and looking for the best
punch for the buck is the way (IMHO) to go. Go for one with a wammy
too! The stock tailpieces on Strats have alot of limitations, so
this too would be something different. Les Pauls are great guitars
and I wouldn't trade in my old custom for anything, but it does
have alot of limitations. Two basic sounds in any stock Les Paul...
two GREAT sounds, but if you can get three to five great sounds on
one guitar then go for it! Charvel? B.C.Rich? Hmmmmm... wouldn't
be *my* first choice, but check them out with a few Kramers too!
If you fall in love with one and it almost plays itself... BUY
IT, then it doesn't matter who manufactured it. Right?
Fred (with his 2� worth)
P.S. *My* problem is that I need a Strat, Les Paul and Precision bass
(all-in-one) combo guitar! Boy... wouldn't THAT be heavy! ;^)
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1707.6 | | XOANAN::HEISER | Amadeus, Bach, Beethoven, Kitty Hawk | Fri Mar 09 1990 16:17 | 6 |
| How about putting 2 humbuckers on a strat type? :-) Seriously, a
friend of mine has a Zion Turbo (which is a strat copy) with 2 Seymour
Duncan JBs on it. Talk about unique sounds! This guitar can get clean
and/or nasty with the best of them.
Mike
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1707.7 | he who dies with most guitars wins!! ;-) | CSC32::H_SO | | Fri Mar 09 1990 21:32 | 27 |
|
Something else to consider???:
I'm looking thru Charvel catalog and they have Fusion series which
is bolt-on, 24 fret, ***24 3/4" scale*** neck on strat body style.
I would love to find out how this guitar would sound. Haven't seen
one, yet. The Custom models have hum/single/single and the Deluxe have
hum/single, and both of these models' single coils are the "double
blade" type. The Deluxe models only has one volume knob, pickup
selector, and NO tone knob, while Customs do have tone knob.
Musician's Friend has these for $649-Custom, $549-Deluxe, w/case.
I, myself own Ibanez RD340(my "main" guitar), RG440, Epiphone LP, and
I am in process of putting together another "Jackson Style" 8) with
neck and body ordered from Stu/Mac. Each one of these guitars have
distinct sound, though. Even my Ibanez' don't sound like each other
at all(I think); 340 sounds more "modern" while 440 sounds more
"vintage" and they both have splittable humbuckers/single/single.
If I was in your friend's shoes, I would buy an LP next, then maybe
a Ibanez, then a Charvel, then a BC, then a Steinberger, then a Kramer,
then a ..., then a..., then... the...th...t... 8)
(Life of a bachelor guitar player, you know? ;-) )
J. who_likes_charvel's_old_logo_better
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1707.8 | | MRVAX::ALECLAIRE | | Sat Mar 10 1990 10:39 | 6 |
| Re 5 maybe right, if you like a strat then you'll like 2 more
the most amazing stratclone i played was a kramer with 1 hum and 2
singles stock SD coils. Something about the body was knarley resonant!
Has anyone considered how badly we are all brainwashed by Les Paul |-)
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1707.9 | RG550 .... | ASAHI::SCARY | Joke 'em if they can't take a ... | Sat Mar 10 1990 21:02 | 8 |
| Your *friend* needs an Ibanez RG550 ... maple neck with Humbuckers
(for raunch), a single coil in the middle (for Strat attacks), a
locking trem for bombs .... yep, that's what you need, 'scuse me,
that's what your *friend* needs ... playing an Ibanez will make
you HATE your guitar ... unless you already own one ,,,,
777Scary
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1707.10 | Diversity | SUBWAY::BAUER | Evan Bauer, DBS Tech Support, NY | Sun Mar 11 1990 21:31 | 22 |
| I'd take a different tact and suggest that your *friend* (have no idea
why we are treating this as a euphemism) pick a guitar that lends
itself to a different kind of approach and sound -- but one that makes
sense for his music.
You mentioned an ES-335, clearly lends itself to a different style of
playing than a strat, but has plenty of range itself (B.B. King to
Larry Carlton). That sounds more interesting to me than a strat clone
with humbuckers. If that is the direction your friend is going (see,
I'm still using the euphemism), I'd suggest a look at the Heritage
H-535. I went shopping for a Gibson in January and fell in love with
Heritage instead. Made in Kalamazoo by craftsmen who didn't follow
Gibson to Nashville, it seems much better made (workmanship and wood)
than new Gibsons -- with a sound and feel that seemed more like the
better "Vintage" models. I don't know whose pickups they are now
using, but they have definitely cleaned up their act in that department
over the last couple of years.
Just a dissenting voice,
- Evan
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1707.11 | | TCC::COOPER | MIDI-Kitty-ADA-Metaltronix rack puke | Mon Mar 12 1990 08:59 | 3 |
| RE: .9
I agree... I got my Ibanez RG550 Friday. I love it.
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1707.12 | | ASAHI::SCARY | Joke 'em if they can't take a ... | Mon Mar 12 1990 10:17 | 6 |
| Yeah Pat - Tell your *friend* to grab Coop's RG550 and give it a
whirl with your Kitty Hawk ..... yeah, that's the ticket. You don't
mind letting your *friend* use your Kitty do you ? What kind of
friend are you ? 8^D
Scary
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1707.13 | more on the ES's please | RAVEN1::BLAIR | hammerhead | Mon Mar 12 1990 11:05 | 14 |
|
Sorry about the *friend* thing - I was in a weird mood that Friday.
Thanks for the ideas. I kinda feel like the ES idea would provide more
diversity. I already got a strat clone (and it IS an Ibanez!) with the
splittable humbucker and 2 singles. It is real nice Scary, but I still
play the strat most the time...
Speaking of ES's, what are the basic differences between the ES335
and the ES335-Studio version? AMS says the studio model has no F holes
or pickup covers, and it costs $599 (vs $1069). Also, what is the neck
scale?
I love this conference!
-pat
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1707.14 | Ask Danny... | RAVEN1::DANDREA | Frog lickers unite! | Mon Mar 12 1990 12:53 | 6 |
| Go for the ES, Patman.......I wanna borrow it already....no
presumptions here, just wishes! |)
Steve D.
P.S. Danny Weber can fill you in on the Gibson specs.....
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1707.15 | My Opin | DNEAST::GREVE_STEVE | If all else fails, take a nap... | Mon Mar 12 1990 15:13 | 15 |
|
I'm in the minority, but I'll fire anyway. My "other than a Strat"
is a Tele style with a single coil in the rythmn position and a
humbucker in the bridge position... I used a Fender re-issue and a
Seymour Duncan Jeff Beck model on which I wired a coil tap.
I get squeaky clean Tele sounds PLUS the humbucker sound of a Les
Paul.. really kind of fills in the ultra-highs and lows that my Strat
misses... I especially like this guitar since I installed the gold lace
on my strat (they tend toward the bass side).
Steve
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1707.16 | | VLNVAX::ALECLAIRE | | Mon Mar 12 1990 15:34 | 2 |
| After reading in here I'm at least not thinking anymore my
5 guitar quiver is too many! ;) I need at least 3 dozen more! haha
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1707.17 | One Pickup Fits All | AQUA::ROST | Bikini Girls With Machine Guns | Mon Mar 12 1990 15:40 | 3 |
|
All anyone really needs is a Danelectro, one pickup, every conceivable
sound you'll ever need, and I only paid $10 for mine...
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1707.18 | | TOOTER::WEBER | | Mon Mar 12 1990 17:03 | 7 |
| re: .14
Thanx, Steve :-).
Check note 1132. I think there was some mention of these guitars.
Danny W.
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1707.19 | | NATASH::RUSSO | | Tue Mar 13 1990 17:19 | 10 |
|
I agree with everything thats been said about Ibanez in this
note.....Pat, theres no such thing as too many Ibanez's!!!! I think
you would love to own my RG560....its better than an RG550, its got a
higher number. No, really man, its yours....all you have to do is buy
it from me....:^)
And its not pink, either ;^)
Dave
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1707.20 | | ASAHI::SCARY | Joke 'em if they can't take a ... | Tue Mar 13 1990 18:03 | 5 |
| A bddy of mine (thanks Mike ...) lets me use his RG570 as a backup
guitar when I gig out ... for some reason it has a hard time ever
making it back to his house !
Scary
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1707.21 | | TCC::COOPER | MIDI-Kitty-ADA-Metaltronix rack puke | Wed Mar 14 1990 09:13 | 18 |
| The differences between the 550-560-570 lines are basically cosmetic
and in the pickup configs....
The 550 has a Humbucker - Single coil - Humbucker layout
with a plastic pick guard and a maple neck.
The 560 (I think) is a Humbucker-Single-Single with no pickguard
and a rosewood fretboard.
The 570 (I think) is the same as above with active electronics.
Did I get that right ??
They *all* have scrawny necks that need lots of attention...But play great
between setups. :)
jc (Who loves his 550, buts had to tweak the truss rod already, but
doesn't mind)
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1707.22 | | NATASH::RUSSO | | Wed Mar 14 1990 10:04 | 5 |
|
Thats right, my 560 has a humbucker in the bridge position and 2
single coils, and a rosewood fretboard.
Dave
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1707.23 | I luv My IBY. | RAVEN1::BUTKUS | Sniffing rancid buns of angels. | Thu Mar 15 1990 00:29 | 8 |
|
The 570 has a different pickup config Humbucker-single-humbucker.
I don't think they have active electronics.
M
B
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1707.24 | what was the topic?? | RAVEN1::DANDREA | Frog lickers unite! | Thu Mar 15 1990 08:28 | 5 |
| How'd this become an Ibanez notes file?? Sheesh you guys!
Pat, I KNOW what you want....we'll talk. |) 8)
Steve D.
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1707.25 | that's why Bucks selling all his ... | GOOROO::CLARK | say goodbye to Madame George | Thu Mar 15 1990 10:16 | 5 |
| I'll only say it once.
Ibanez is CLAIMIN' !!!
-Dave
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1707.26 | Claimin for sure | TELALL::BUCKLEY | No one home in my house of pain | Thu Mar 15 1990 11:13 | 2 |
| I agree they can claim a wicked bad tuning/action buzz if you're not
careful!
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1707.27 | | TCC::COOPER | MIDI-Kitty-ADA-Metaltronix rack puke | Thu Mar 15 1990 15:09 | 20 |
| Claimin' ??
What the hell is that ?
RE: -.1
Thin necked guitars are very sensitive to change in the atmosphere
(i.e. Humidity)... The RG550 I got from Buck was in need of a
truss rod adjustment from hell (could be from being shipped across
the country!). There was absolutely no relief to the neck, and was
buzzin' around the 1st string 1st fret. I fixed it, and haven't seen
a change yet. I also raised the action, Buck is the only guy I know
who likes the action lower than me ! ;)
The 550 plays great though, and is a real attention getter !
Here's a trick... Go to Shipping and Receiving and swip some Silicate
Desicant packets and throw them in your case. The work GREAT !
jc
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1707.28 | | PNO::HEISER | buyout mania sweeps DEC! | Thu Mar 15 1990 16:22 | 5 |
| >Here's a trick... Go to Shipping and Receiving and swip some Silicate
>Desicant packets and throw them in your case. The work GREAT !
What the heck do those Nutrasweet packets do anyway? Are they odor
eaters or what?
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1707.29 | | TCC::COOPER | MIDI-Kitty-ADA-Metaltronix rack puke | Thu Mar 15 1990 16:46 | 9 |
| They suck the moisture out of the environment...They keep your wooden guitar
from getting water logged. Most computers and stuff are packed with them in
there. If you work for DEC there is a zillion of them. They all say:
"Do Not Eat" on them. I guess they'll get into your belly and suck up all
the liquid...
Hm... could be perfect for those long nights of beer drinking...
jc
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1707.30 | | RAVEN1::BLAIR | hammerhead | Thu Mar 15 1990 16:51 | 12 |
|
Last night I got out my tres amigos polishing kit and cleaned up my
strat and my ibanez...
I spent more time polishing the strat ;^).
-pat (headed for ES-ville)
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1707.31 | You can lead a horse to water... | TCC::COOPER | MIDI-Kitty-ADA-Metaltronix rack puke | Fri Mar 16 1990 09:18 | 3 |
| But ya can't teach 'em to play Metallica on an ES...
:)
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1707.32 | pow..... | RAVEN1::DANDREA | Frog lickers unite! | Fri Mar 16 1990 09:48 | 4 |
| Why would anyone want to learn Metallica? ;^) sorry Coop....had to.
|)
Bulldawg (asbestos suit ready)
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1707.33 | You know I have to say this.... | TCC::COOPER | MIDI-Kitty-ADA-Metaltronix rack puke | Fri Mar 16 1990 09:55 | 7 |
| Cuz it takes talent to play Metallica...
jc
(who sez: speed and dexterity blows away measures and measures of whole notes)
Psssssssttttt....Backatcha... ;)
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1707.34 | | FACVAX::BUCKLEY | No one home in my house of pain | Fri Mar 16 1990 09:57 | 1 |
| Metallica is for frustrated Stravinski listeners!
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1707.35 | | TCC::COOPER | MIDI-Kitty-ADA-Metaltronix rack puke | Fri Mar 16 1990 10:11 | 5 |
| Stra who ??
;)
jc (Who sez emotion and speed in one killer package = Metallica)
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1707.36 | backatchya atchya |) | RAVEN1::DANDREA | Frog lickers unite! | Fri Mar 16 1990 10:46 | 5 |
| RE: "Takes talent to play Metallica"....
So Coop, are YOU gonna learn some? 8)
Sd
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1707.37 | | TCC::COOPER | MIDI-Kitty-ADA-Metaltronix rack puke | Fri Mar 16 1990 10:50 | 7 |
| Naa-nee-naa-nee Boo Boo, dude...
I already know some. Lots, in fact. I call it Frayed Ends Of Sanity !
;)
jc (who sez: Metallica IS clapton at 78 speed...It's all a front. :)
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1707.38 | | VLNVAX::ALECLAIRE | | Fri Mar 16 1990 13:44 | 2 |
| I played an Ibenez the other day, big deal.
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1707.39 | | PELKEY::PELKEY | Dangerous Distortion, Serious Sustain | Fri Mar 16 1990 13:51 | 5 |
| << I played an Ibenez the other day, big deal.
There's a fairly ambigous statement!
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1707.40 | | TCC::COOPER | MIDI-Kitty-ADA-Metaltronix rack puke | Fri Mar 16 1990 14:00 | 9 |
| RE: -.2
I played a BC Rich for 4 years... Big deal.
The Bich was a nice axe, but so isn't the Ibanez...
Toenail, you pickin' fights again ?
Agagagagaga...
;)
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1707.41 | I want a real Fender, now!! | DNEAST::GREVE_STEVE | If all else fails, take a nap... | Fri Mar 16 1990 14:10 | 9 |
|
I need professional help, now. I just spent a while at my local
Fender dealer playing Strat pluses and they absolutely blow my
home-made strat away... I'm getting tired of trying to make my
Stew-Mac strat sound like a Fender.... <sigh>...
Ummmmm..... Deeeeeear, I'll be needing ummmm... 650 bucks for a new
guitar please.....
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1707.42 | | TCC::COOPER | MIDI-Kitty-ADA-Metaltronix rack puke | Fri Mar 16 1990 14:13 | 5 |
| Bull-pup sez: $600 is more like it.
Go for it dude !
jc
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1707.43 | | FACVAX::BUCKLEY | No one home in my house of pain | Fri Mar 16 1990 14:22 | 3 |
| Has anyone seen the Hybrid strat (from Warmouth parts) living at Mr.
C's yet?? Birdseye Maple neck/fingerboard, and a curly maple body,
both with a *fine* satin finish...NICE!
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1707.44 | | KIDVAX::ALECLAIRE | | Sat Mar 17 1990 11:13 | 22 |
| Yea I saw that strat and it's AWFUL expensive .
You could get the parts and put it together cheaper.
I must say the wood grain is tremendously gorgeous, but
I wish it had chrome hardware.
The neck is also set into the body so about 1/4" of the neck ( not
fingerboard ) sticks out of the neck route cavity, OK for pulling up,
I guess. Must be bright as the sun in the Gobi Desert, all maple!
Oh BTW you guys I meant I played an Ibeniz it was 850$ and I
didn't like it, it was OK but didn't send me into space or
anything. What REALLY surprized me is it seemed to have a
nut spacer already installed!
What kind of Bich did you play, a bolt on ( jap imitation )
or the neck-thr? How waws the neck? Mine is shaved, and therefore
delicate ( I don't like to even take it out of the house anymore )
but stock BC's have a neck too thick for my taste.
What kind of wood was it made out of?
( so do LesPauls, but some sound Excellent, so i don't care )
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1707.45 | Home-made! | CSC32::H_SO | | Sat Mar 17 1990 11:43 | 15 |
|
re; .41
Hey, Steve ! How did your Stew Mac guitar turn out? I'm in the
process of putting one together (bought body and neck; both Jackson
style) with EMG 81, Floyd Rose (managed to recess this). So far,
I just have to wait for the grover tuners ($32.00!!!) to arrive, and
I can't wait! (I had to order new tuning pegs since I bought a
reverse headstock neck ;) ) The rest of the guitar is painted,
assembled and sitting pretty in the stand (I wouldn't boast of the
paint job, I'm not a painter!).
So did ya like your project? Didya? Didja? Huh? Didja? Didja?
J.
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1707.46 | | MAMIE::FRASER | A.N.D.Y.-Yet Another Dyslexic Noter | Sun Mar 18 1990 10:39 | 14 |
| Re Strat prices...
Someone mentioned $650 and then someone else said $600.
My G&L Skyhawk was listed at $875, on sale for $650; hard
haggling got them down to an even $500 for the guitar and an
excellent case, with a couple of sets of strings thrown in, so
it looks like they're really flexible about prices these days
if you're prepared to push it.
FYI/FWIW
Andy
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1707.47 | | ASAHI::SCARY | Joke 'em if they can't take a ... | Mon Mar 19 1990 00:37 | 4 |
| I bought a primo used one Saturday for $300. Back to basics !
Scary
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1707.48 | Stew Mac experience | DNEAST::GREVE_STEVE | If all else fails, take a nap... | Mon Mar 19 1990 10:20 | 41 |
|
Coop... thanks...
J.
I've had a mixed experience with Stewart Macdonald. Their
customer service is excellent, and I've felt like they are really
concerned about my being satisfied. The first guit I built was a tele
copy, rosewood neck, and it cam out beautifully... the sound from this
guitar is really excellent, and it represents a value to me. (however,
read on...). I've had a different experience with the Strat that I've
just built.. Same stuff, rosewood neck, and Lace sensors. This guit
sounds really muffled tone-wise, I know that it's the neck (finally)
but i don't know why.. It just sounded like shit, the way I had it and
I've spent a lot of time trying to make it sound like a Strat..
frustrating...... BTW, I liek playing Clapton, SRV, etc.. so a littel
extra bass ain't a problem, knowhatimean???
So, after a lot of thinking, I've gone an laid away a deluxe
standard strat (standard with lace-sensors).. I don't whammy anyway, so
I left off the roller nut and all that other stuff. I had to play a
few, to find the one I wanted.. and I guess that's the issue for me,
when I mail order, I'm taking a chance that the guitar I build could
sound like crap... what the heck, the tone thing is mostly black magic
anyway, right.
I've had a GOOD, experience with SM, but I'm winding up selling
both guitars to finance my Strat... and over the long run, I would have
spent a lot less if I'd just gone out and bought a real Fender, and
that's part of the deal.
BTW, the tele is still a cool sounding guitar, and I really wish
that I didn't have to sell it, but it's economics!!!! <grin>... I'll
admit it, half the fun is waiting for stuff anyway...
Steve
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1707.49 | | IOENG::JWILLIAMS | Welcome to the Bush League | Tue Mar 20 1990 13:43 | 18 |
| I've got an Ibanez Saber and a Fender Strat, and my Ibanez is number
one. It's got the wickedest thin neck for holding those contortions.
I've got the action on mine set fairly high as I like to play that
dynamic clean sound, so I've had very few problems with adjustments.
The first one I got had a problem with it, the truss rod topped out
before I got enough bow ( and I need quite a bit ) but wurlies replaced
it for me with only minimal stupid gestures.
I don't use the diving bar a whole lot, but the nut locks help the
thing stay in tune (I knock other guitars out of tune in nothing flat).
Anyways, avoid those club necks with hi tech gizmos. I've been
unimpressed by many a new offering. At high volume, sustain isn't your
biggest problem, anyhow. Ibanez makes the best feeling guitars, IMO.
John.
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1707.50 | Help.... Please.... | DNEAST::GREVE_STEVE | If all else fails, take a nap... | Thu Mar 22 1990 14:02 | 28 |
|
Did anyone ever just buy a guitar (in my case, the process is more
a "plead/lay-away" if you know what I mean) without having any idea
that you were going to?? I did....
I was coming back from visiting my layaway (my new strat, deluxe
standard) at an out of town music store, and stopped in my local music
store to visit my guitars that are on sale (so I can pay for the
Strat.. you guys still with me??).... and there was an Aria Pro II
TA/60 guitar... it looked good, it played good, it did everything good.
This guitar is a bolt on neck copy of an ES-335, black with gold
hardware, white bindings etc. and plays as good as any guitar I've
seen. I couldn't think of a good reason not to buy it so.. I did.
Sheesh.. I don't know if I want a gibson type guitar... but I got one.
The price was $250 (cash today, grin, the guy knows I've got no cash)
or $300 lay-away... sooooo.. I laid it away (but I got to take it home)
is this making any sense??? What I want to know is:
Has anyone heard of these guitars???
How bad did I get screwed on this deal....??
Steve
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1707.51 | | TCC::COOPER | MIDI-Kitty-ADA-Metaltronix rack puke | Thu Mar 22 1990 14:27 | 6 |
| Every Aria I ever played was nice...Real nice. Steve Dandrea had a
LP copy by Aria, and his was nice too.
I think the price you paid was fair...
jc (Who is familiar with creative financing :)
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1707.52 | ok, but it's no Gibson.... | RAVEN1::DANDREA | Frog lickers unite! | Thu Mar 22 1990 16:10 | 6 |
| As jc said, I had an Arai Pro II Les Paul copy. It was black with gold
hardware and a Kahler locking trem. Nice playing axe, but I never
really "loved" the tone. It can't touch the tone of my Gibson Les
Paul.
Steve D.
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1707.53 | I like my Aria Pro II LP copy! | NAVIER::STARR | And I'm telling you I'm not going... | Thu Mar 22 1990 16:18 | 10 |
| > I had an Arai Pro II Les Paul copy.
I have one of these also! It was the first guitar I bought, back in 1979.
Its actually quite a nice guitar. True, it doesn't sound quite like a LP,
mainly I think because of the pickups. But I still like it a lot!
I'm thinking of raising the action on it way up, and using it as a guitar to
play slide on.....
Alan S.
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1707.54 | Howcum??? | DNEAST::GREVE_STEVE | If all else fails, take a nap... | Thu Mar 22 1990 16:47 | 19 |
|
Alan, I was surprised to hear you say:
Its actually quite a nice guitar. True, it doesn't sound quite like a LP,
mainly I think because of the pickups. But I still like it a lot!
Because I was expecting you to say that the bolt on neck made the
difference in tone... and (hey, I'm learnin') that the pickups are
pretty much the same.. Why wouldn't neck through vs. bolt on be the
biggest contributor to the difference??? Please don't feel like I'm
trying to be a disagreeable SOB, I'm just curious (being... ahem....
the new owner of a gibsonlike guitar myself)..
Thanks,
Steve
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1707.55 | but who wants a greenburst?!!? | COOKIE::G_HOUSE | Fearless | Thu Mar 22 1990 17:16 | 11 |
| Well for one thing, Steve, Les Pauls aren't neck-thru, they have the
necks glued in (I know, big fornicating deal). Just a nit...
A friend of mine had an Aria 335 copy a few years ago. It was this
totally sick Green sunburst color, but it played nice (after I worked
on it many long hours for him) and sounded pretty good. He paid $100
for it...
He since sold it, but I wish I had it now!
Greg
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1707.56 | Prophets; Greg and Scary...Jens is Moses... | CSC32::H_SO | | Thu Mar 22 1990 22:43 | 12 |
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RE: .48
Yeah, Steve! Part of it is waiting for the parts! But if I had things
to do over again, I'd go out and buy another guitar. Only thing is
that I had this Kramer Focus 4000 Rhodes V with Floyd on it(paid $120)
and I was trying to sell that. Well, no takers! So instead of having
a guitar that I didn't use, I figured that I'd build one with mostly
parts off the Kramer. So far, I've invested about $280 on all the
necessary parts! I think I did OK...?
J.
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1707.57 | good git | MPGS::RJPELLETIER | | Fri Mar 23 1990 04:32 | 5 |
| My first electric was an Aria pro II LP copy. To this day I don't know
why I ever sold it. I had got used for $100.00 and it was just plain
nice.
rj
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1707.58 | soapbar pickups | NAVIER::STARR | And I'm telling you I'm not going... | Fri Mar 23 1990 11:49 | 19 |
| re: Steve
> Because I was expecting you to say that the bolt on neck made the
> difference in tone... and (hey, I'm learnin') that the pickups are
> pretty much the same.. Why wouldn't neck through vs. bolt on be the
> biggest contributor to the difference???
Well, first off, thanx to Greg for saving me on this question! (I had no idea
how much the bolt-on vs. neck-through would be!)
The main reason I mention the pickups is because the Les Paul I have is a 1970
Deluxe model, and comes with those classic 'soapbar' pickups that many people
talk about, and I think that is one of the major reasons I love the guitar.
These things sound killer!
The Aria pickups probably *are* fairly similar to the standard LP humbuckers
nowadays. I'll bet Aria sounds a lot more like recent LPs than my older one.
Alan S.
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1707.59 | Wait a sec... | TCC::COOPER | MIDI-Kitty-ADA-Metaltronix rack puke | Fri Mar 23 1990 13:17 | 18 |
| Why does eveybody think that the wood and neck is so important to tone ?
Granted a heavy guitar sustains more than one made of Balsa...But if you
ask me, the tone comes from three things:
Your amp/effects
Your fingers
Your pickups
Differences in woods would be VERY subtle in comparison to the above items.
All the hype about glue-ins, bolt ons and neck thrus...Bah-humbug !
I think neck thrus are nice, but not for the tone...I like the way they
are nice and smooth around the heal...
IMHO, Gibsons sound like Gibsons because of the pickups. Fenders sound
like Fenders because of the pickups...Rickenbackers sound like Ricks cuz
of the...wait a sec... ;)
jc
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1707.60 | | DNEAST::BOTTOM_DAVID | Nice computers don't go down | Fri Mar 23 1990 13:48 | 14 |
| Actually I disagree a bit on tone.
Strats made of alder sound radically different than strats made of ash (to me)
If strats were neck through or glued rather than bolt on they'd sound
considerably different too (IMHO based on a custom neck through strat I once
played)
Rosewood necks sound different from maple necks. Ebony too...
Pickups and amps make the most radical difference in sound of any componant
but wood is definately important.
dbii
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1707.61 | Narley tone, dude! | CSC32::H_SO | | Fri Mar 23 1990 13:58 | 17 |
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I'm with Coop! Someone else playing on my set up doesn't quite get
the same tone as I do. I remember reading an article on Ed VH, and
he said that Ted Nugent really digged the tone out of Ed's setup, and
Ted plugged in, it still sounded like Ted's tone...
My Ibanez is a bolt-on, and also *ALOT* lighter than my Les Paul, but
so far, I have had no problems with sustain! Once I brought a tape in
for my instructor to listen to, and he asked me what type of compressor
I was using. He was amazed when I told him that I wasn't using one!
Personally, I think the sustain I get out of the Ibanez is largely
due to the Floyd Rose; it's density, springs(vibration?), and the
lock nut.
I think that the finger board has alot to do with the tone, also...
J.
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1707.62 | | TCC::COOPER | MIDI-Kitty-ADA-Metaltronix rack puke | Fri Mar 23 1990 14:11 | 9 |
| Yep. Scary has the Scary tone, Bulldawgs got the Bullish tone, I've
got the sick "I'm gonna blow any second" tone... ;) I pinch so many harmonics
that I could make a Cello sound like a Tele. Agagagaga... sounds like a piglet
on the way to the slaughter house. ;)
Yeah, dbii I feel that wood does make a diff, but it's not nearly as
drastic as FX, Amps, and the way you play.
jc
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1707.63 | Heavy wood, deep sound... | CASPRO::MINEZZI | | Fri Mar 23 1990 15:57 | 22 |
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With the new effects processors...you can take a "sears" and make it
sound good. I agree that on guitars, the wood makes a difference
to the tone. I think that guitars, need less low end, so they have
a cutting edge sound. The lighter the wood, the less they sustain the
low end. Unless you like the murky Gibson Les Paul sound (heavy axe)!
I would think that wood would (no pun intended) make a difference on
BASSes also, because of the depth needed to give a BASS a deep
presence, even while shouting out high klanky high end.
I use a Guild Pilot BASS, and even though it plays great, sounds great
with active electronics and all, it doesn't have the mid to low tone that
I used to get from an old Ibanez I used to play (passive electronics) that
weighted *500* pounds.
But one thing that I've noticed is that the sound of the strings does
'pass' through the body of the guitar...have you ever tried....
Putting your ear to your guitar body (I usually do the top horn)
and hit your strings....try it.
Ron.
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1707.64 | Recursion alert | SMURF::BENNETT | Pull Claim Blend? Say What? | Fri Mar 23 1990 16:16 | 15 |
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We've been thru this before!
There are a bezillion variables.
Let's go back to the other rathole - the one about why I play
my wife's SG very differently from the way I play me Rick. ;-)
I personally think every single guitar is different and part
of the adventure is exploring a particular piece of wood,
learning what it can teach you, and moving on to the next. I've
always had a fondness for SGs and the variations are incredible.
I think I've unearthed what it is that gives me the creeps about
synthesizers. I like the woodyness of it all.
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1707.65 | | IOENG::JWILLIAMS | Welcome to the Bush League | Mon Mar 26 1990 12:37 | 5 |
| I think one rosewood neck and one maple neck covers the portfolio
nicely. Other tonal variations can be made with out board processing.
Fer example, various pickup variations can be done with comb filters.
John.
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