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| 1660.1 | | ZYDECO::MCABEE | les haricots | Tue Jan 30 1990 17:33 | 6 |
| I don't have a reference at hand, but I can tell you that opinions have varied
a lot on tempi (is that the plural?) for Bach. Julian Bream takes a whole
album side for the Chaconne, but John Williams crams the Chaconne and the
Prelude, Fugue and Allegro onto one album side.
Bob
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| 1660.2 | | MRVAX::ALECLAIRE | | Wed Jan 31 1990 09:32 | 5 |
| to learn it teach your fingers by showing them were each note is
after u get them to remember it's ALL up to YOU.
What peices and who transcribed them?
Andrew, I transcxribee the Goldberg variations. in 2 clefs. Unplayable.
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| 1660.3 | Let's Dance | JAIMES::CONROY | | Wed Jan 31 1990 14:05 | 12 |
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One thing you can keep in mind for a lot of those Baroque
pieces is that they are based on dance rhythms, like the
minuet. With that in mind you wouldn't want it to be too
fast.
There are other dances that are faster and some that are slower,
but they are all open to interpretation. I think the gavotte and
bouree are examples of faster ones. I can't think of any slow ones at
the moment.
Bob
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| 1660.4 | | ZYDECO::MCABEE | les haricots | Wed Jan 31 1990 18:04 | 12 |
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> One thing you can keep in mind for a lot of those Baroque
> pieces is that they are based on dance rhythms, like the
> minuet. With that in mind you wouldn't want it to be too
> fast.
...but when playing in concert, rather than for dancing, they probably took
liberties with the tempo.
The sarabande was a slow dance. I wonder if they danced cheek-to-cheek. :^)
Bob
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| 1660.5 | exit | JAIMES::CONROY | | Thu Feb 01 1990 12:17 | 6 |
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Right, I meant it as a general guideline. As you said
it's really up to the player.
Of course they danced cheek to cheek, didn't you see
dangerous liasons? ;')
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| 1660.6 | Too fast no good!!! | CMOTEC::EVANS | if you don't C# you'll Bb | Thu Feb 01 1990 12:25 | 14 |
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My teacher is always beating me up cos I play Bach too fast. My
teacher studied with Bream & it shows in the way he almost squeezes
every note out. In these days of the electric boys going at mega speed
there is a tendancy to go too fast but in classical master classes
I've seen people pulled to pieces by being asked to play a section
slowly & then failing as they've learned to play the pieces reflexively
rather than in a controlled manner. A good example is Tarrega,
Recuerdos de la Alhambra, trying to keep a medium paced even tremelo
going through this piece would be considered better technique than
blurring it with speed.
Cheers
Pete.
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| 1660.7 | Tempo happens | LOTE::FORBES | | Thu Feb 01 1990 13:37 | 13 |
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I like what Pete has to say about playing in a controlled manner.
Concentrating more on interpretation and technique has helped me
with tempo.
I work out phrasing, dynamics, and my approach to each note and the
tempo just happens. It clicks, you'll know it when you hear it.
Joan
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| 1660.8 | | VLNVAX::ALECLAIRE | | Fri Feb 02 1990 10:33 | 15 |
| Nah, I disagree.
I like fast bach, the faster the better.
The master class suffregettes were probably ripped up when they
couldn't play slow, that is to say the fingers had learned the peice,
but only at one tempo, so not learned so much in the mind.
Bream's bach playing is slow. Somebody after a sho in Brookline
I did part of said my Chaconne was better than breams, he had played
it a few months before. I saw it myself, I thought Bream was smashed.
Anyway, if ya hit all the notes, you can play it like you want.
I like to make my bach BOOGIE like the devil in hell, myself. :-)
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| 1660.9 | how tasteless! | CMOTEC::EVANS | if you don't C# you'll Bb | Fri Feb 02 1990 12:31 | 2 |
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| 1660.10 | Thank you! | VLNVAX::ALECLAIRE | | Fri Feb 02 1990 12:42 | 1 |
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| 1660.11 | I disagree!! | FACVAX::BUCKLEY | watch the children pray | Fri Feb 02 1990 12:51 | 1 |
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| 1660.12 | I beg to differ. | GLOWS::COCCOLI | Thela Hun Gingeet | Fri Feb 02 1990 17:13 | 1 |
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| 1660.13 | RE:... | ZYDECO::MCABEE | les haricots | Sat Feb 03 1990 17:25 | 8 |
| < Note 1660.8 by VLNVAX::ALECLAIRE >
A lot of Bach's music works fast or slow. I can dig it either way, but
I've always thought Bream's Chaconne was limp, likewise Parkening. In fact,
I've only heard two people who could make it live and breathe - Segovia and
Heifetz (not having heard the undoubtedly redoubtable Mr. ALECLAIRE).
Bob
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| 1660.14 | Play 'em as you please | CIMAMT::KELLY | Feelin' a little edgy | Fri Feb 09 1990 08:47 | 16 |
| Thanks to you all for the suggestions; I guess if I boil them down it
comes to 'play at a tempo you like'. As it turns out, once I got
comfortable playing the pieces I'm working on, I could adjust the
tempo until it felt right. Also, it seems like the tempo wants to
change in different parts of the tune.
It's really been a blast learning and playing these pieces. My
girlfriend says she can hear the effect of this stuff when I play the
blues...more accuracy and control of each note.
When I get these pieces under my belt, I'll come to you all for
suggestions about more difficult stuff.
Thanks,
John Kelly
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