Conference napalm::guitar

    I looking for a dealer of Groove Tubes.  The only one I know of in this
    area (Boston, MA) is EU Wurlitzer and they are currently out of stock
    in the rating that I want (1).
    Neither La Salle nor Daddy's Junky Music carries them.
    
    Any idea if I could contact the company direct to order them.
    
    I'm also looking for 5881's which I understand are similar to the
    Groove tubes rated 1.   Any ideas on how I could obtain those?
    
    Any assistance will be appreciated.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Stan
    
    
    
    

    Perhaps the mod might move this to the Tube amp notes for us...
    Ummm, anyway... Try doing a dir/tit="Groov".  I'm sure the address is
    in this file someplace.
    
    jc

    At Jeff's request, I'll post a couple of my favorite SGE presets.
    
    This one is a result of my trying to copy the sound of my Hiwatt 100
    watt combo when everything on it's cranked to 10 through a PowerSoak. 
    One of the reasons I got the SGE was because I was tired of roasting my
    amp using that thing to get that particular sound.  I did this using a
    demo unit before I bought it as a test.  I thought it came pretty close
    to the sound from the Hiwatt. 
    
    Greg
    
    
    
Preset Title:  Soaked Hiwatt

       P A R A M E T E R S
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Harmonic Exciter	Posn.   | POST
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		    	Range   | 100%
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EQ			Posn.	| POST					
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			100Hz	| +6					
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			1Khz	| -3					
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			10Khz	| +12					
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Compressor		Slope	| 4:1					
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			Drive	| 100%					
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			Release	| QUICK					
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			Output	| 87%					
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Distortion		Type    | TURBO DISTORTION 2
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			Drive   | 87%			
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			Bite	| on					
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			Output	| 100%					
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    I think this one sounds like the sound that Adrien Belew (or Robert
    Fripp, although I thought it sounded like Belew) used on "The 
    Sheltering Sky" off King Crimsons "Discipline" album (I think that's 
    the right song).

    It's best for slow things as the reverse gated reverb sounds goofy on 
    fast stuff.  Kind of a mellow singing type tone.

    Hope you enjoy it!

    Greg
    
    
    
Preset Title: Rvrs Gate Wah


       P A R A M E T E R S
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Harmonic Exciter	Posn.   | pre
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		    	Range   | 86%
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EQ			Posn.	| post					
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			100Hz	| 0					
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			1Khz	| +3					
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			10Khz	| +6					
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Compressor		Slope	| 2:1					
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			Drive	| 75%					
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			Release	| quick					
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			Output	| 100%					
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Distortion		Type    | Overdrive 1					
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			Drive	| 50%				
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			Bite	| off					
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			Output	| 100%					
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Expand/Gate/E.Filter	Type    | Envflt
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			Source	| Input				
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			Range	| 37%					
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		 Output/Tuning	| 25%					
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Reverbs		Type		| Gat Rvrs-1b
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		Decay		| 0.15s				
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		Position 	|					
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		HF-Damp		|					
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		Diffus.		| 100%					
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		Level		| 100%					
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    Does anyone having this unit play the bass?  I've been thinking
    about buying one of these units for awhile now for my bass rig.
    How good are they?  How many effects at one time?  One dealer told
    me seven another tells me nine, which one?  My rig consists of a
    Pierce Electronics BP-1 Bass Preamp into a Rane 3-way crossover.
    My highs go out to a Carver 100 watt amp to two Hartke 2 x 10 cabinets,
    my mids go to a 200 watt Carver amp to two Hartke 4 x 10 cabinets,
    and my lows go out to another Carver 200 watt amp into two Hartke
    1 x 15 cabinets.  Also included in the rack is a dbx 160x and a
    BBE Sonic Maximizer.  The unit is fed from a Nady 650 wireless.
    
    I've tried the Multiverb and liked it well, but I've heard that
    this one is supposed to be about the best out.  Is it?
    
    Ed Degagne
    
    Send any comments to:
    
    DTN: 297-3404
    VAX Mail: USCTR1::JZAGER
    All-In-One Mail: Ed c/o Jay Zager @MRO
     
              

    
    The ART SGE is now finally being distributed in the UK, for a cool
    �629.00 !!
           
    My question is, how much do they go for in the US ? I'd like to
    compare prices.
    
    Cheers,
    -Tony

    
     BTW :- �629.00 = $975.00.
                   
    Expensive huh ?

I've seen $549 advertised mail and about $579 (I think) shop.

Chad  (not_a_guitar_player_but_looking_for_guitar_fx_hints_for_sampled_guitar_
can_i_stay_and_play_here :-)

    I've seen them for as little as $500 (US).  I paid $525 for mine.
    
    Greg

         
    Can someone please either mail or post here, the address and phone
    number for a US ART SGE distributer. I've been told some very sneaky
    (but *legal*) ways of avoiding heavy import taxes, and I'm seriously
    thinking of buying it Stateside and having it shipped over.
          
    It would have been cheaper for me to buy a �200 air ticket and but
    the sucker over there, than it is to buy it in England.
                        
    Like I side, it retails over here for �629.00, but by todays exchange
    rate, I could buy it in the US for �322.00 !!
         
    Thanks,
    -Tony

    
    Hey Tony,
      
    That's ridiculous!  If you want some help, you let me know.  I'd
    be glad to get you one over here and send it to you!
    
    Mr. Ed...
    

    
    I've been trying the same loophole too.  Prices for US stuff here in the 
    UK are ridiculous compared to the US.  It's not just musical stuff
    either, I really liked a Westinghouse refridgerator I saw over here, a
    real big chunky double door design far superior to any European model,but 
    at over 1800 U.K. pounds (nearly $3000) it was way over the top (sorry
    Mr. Moderator...I digressed for a bit there). 
    
    	If it's not an imposition I'd like to ask the same favour of
    someone.  My only concern is that our mains voltage is 240v at 50Hz.
    One would have to make sure the unit is adjustible in some way.
    
    Cheers
    
    	Pete_who_could_afford_his_hobby_and_eat_if_he_paid_US_prices.

    
    How many effects can you run through that Westinghouse?
    
    Seriously, the cost of shipping a refigerator to the UK from here
    would about equal that of the price you talk about.  I would be
    willing to do it for something small like an effects rack, but a
    refirgerator, sorry.
    
    Mr. Ed...

           
    Yeah, the US use 110volts at ??hz and the UK use 240 volts at 50hz.
                                  
    Does the SGE have switchable voltage ? If its intended for
    professional musicians it should be, but if its not I can still
    buy a transposer (I think thats what its called) and this should
    deal with the voltage problems.
           
    I'm looking into it further and will let ya know.                
           
    Thanks for the offer Mr Ed, I may just take you up on it 8^).
           
    Cheers,
    -Tony

    re.13
    
    Sorry Sorry Sorry.
    
    	I didn't mean to suggest for one minute that I wanted a
    refridgerator to appear in my mail tray.....I just used that a another
    price mismatch example....a buddy of mine States side was going to ship
    me his Corvette in bits at a time....but thats another story :-).
    
    	I was thinking more in terms of an SGE if somone was willing & it
    could be done leagally.
    
    	I rang up the Customs & Excise people here & they said that on
    musical equipment they charge 6% import duty & 15% VAT (Value Added Tax 
    which is payable on all purchases in this country) less 32 pounds
    gift/souvenir allowance.
    
    	Please forget I ever mantioned the fridge....& the Corvette.
    
    Cheers
    		Pete_who_is_sinking_deeper_in_embarassment.
    

    Hey !  SGE/MP1 Owners !  Here's my favorite lead tone.  Note that
    the SGE is wired "Post MP1".  The SGE uses the aural exciter, stereo
    delays (250 and 500ms) and EQ.
    
    On the MP1, note that the treble is almost all the way off, and
    the presence is CRANKED.  Kinda gives you that mega-driven-Yngwie
    sound with some cool panned-delay from the SGE.  Also note, that
    I have a stereo EQ outboard also.  You may need to adjust the presets
    slightly to compensate.  Enjoy !
    
    Preset Title:		Coops Metal Lead


       P A R A M E T E R S
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Harmonic Exciter	Posn.   | Post
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		    	Range   | 100%
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EQ			Posn.	| Post
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			100Hz	| +12
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			1Khz	| 0
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			10Khz	| +3
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Expand/Gate/E.Filter	Type    | Exp+Gate
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			Source	| Input
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			Range	| 75%
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		 Output/Tuning	| 75%
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Delays			Type	| Stereo
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		#Of Taps	| 0					
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		Del/Dly-L     	| 500ms
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		Dly-R		| 250ms	
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                HF Damp		| 0%
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		Regen		| 35%
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		Level		| 28%
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MP1 Preset

Voice:  Distorted Tube
								   Chorus
OD1	OD2	Master	Bass	Mid	Treble	Presence	Depth	Range
---	---	------	----	---	------	--------	-----	-----
10	9	8.5	9	2	-4	12		62	0

    

    I realize that this note is for trading presets, which I do intend
    to do (how about trading preset series for your MPT table - this
    makes those "quadmode amps" look kind of simple with the 200
    steps available) but there were a few questions about price.
    
    Music Emporium carries the SGE for $500, 1-800-648-8460.
    
    I've never seen a device that has so many uses: guitar effects,
    vocal effects, keyboard effects, recording effects...and its
    stereo (to be technical, dry side only...) with that interesting
    mix slider.
    
    -Bill
    

    I'll sell you mine...Heck of a lot cheaper than Music Deterium...
    And you'll certainly get it faster !  ;^)
    
    jc

From: [email protected] (Dallas J. Hodgson)
Subject: ART SGE Upgrade
Date: 6 Mar 90 19:24:52 GMT
 
I just spoke with Jim Staholwski (sp?) at ART, and got the beef on the
SGE to SGE Mach II upgrade. The upgrade consists of 6 chips, which
are all socketed and user-installable. Available somewhere between the
end of May & beginning of June, (around $100.00) the upgrade gets you :
 
2 full seconds of delay
A 2-second sampler algorithm (not saveable, even using MIDI SysEx)
Midi data monitor (in HEX and English)
line eq ("speaker") simulator.
 
So, ART did keep their word about being "user-upgradable". What about that!
 
By the way, ART has their SysEx specs finalized for the SGE and will send
you a copy just for asking : (716) 436-2720.
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    I AM LOOKING FOR A ROCKMAN TYPE PRESET FOR MY SGE.  IF ANYBODY HAS ONE
    THAT SOUNDS PRETTY CLOSE I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU SHARING IT WITH ME.
    
    		THANKS,
    			BYRON
    

    Anybody have a Rockman type preset?
    
    Byron

    I think I may be the only active writer in this notesfile that still
    has an SGE and mine is loaned out right now anyway.  But...no, I don't
    have a Rockman type preset, I never really liked that sound much.  Why
    don't you just program one up, I wouldn't think it would be that
    difficult, especially if you had a Rockman to A/B them with.  I don't.
    
    Greg

    This isn't exactly a preset question but . . .
    	I understand that there's a way to set the sge up so that it will
    sequence through a series of presets using an external switch hooked
    through the jack on the rear (not the midi ports).  If this is
    accurate, could anyone explain how to do this?  I picked on sge up
    recently, but I didn't get a manual for it.  I've been able to figure
    out most of the other functions, but this one eludes me.  Thanks.

>    	I understand that there's a way to set the sge up so that it will
>    sequence through a series of presets using an external switch hooked
>    through the jack on the rear (not the midi ports).  If this is
>    accurate, could anyone explain how to do this? 
    
    Hi Joe,
    
    Yes you can do this.  There's a couple of steps involved.  Basically
    you do all the work in that maintenance menu section (the place you
    set up the midi map and adjust the LCD view angle and stuff).
    
    Bear with me because it's been a looooong time since I did that and
    don't remember the exact names for some of the things.  The footswitch
    jack can do two functions, either bypass the unit, or step it through a
    series of presets.  The factory setting is to bypass the unit, you have
    to find the portion in the menu that changes this.  I don't remember
    what it's called, but if you can't find it I'll look it up on mine for
    you.
    
    Then you set the preset sequence, and I think it's a section in that
    menu that only comes up if you have the other option set already.  I
    don't remember exactly what it looks like either.  
    
    Take a look around in there and let me know if you can't figure it out
    and I'll go mess with mine and remember exactly how to do it and what
    those things are called.
    
    Greg