Conference napalm::guitar

	Ah, and perhaps a recommendation for a store?  I plan to hear my
	potential buys at LaSalle, Wurlitzer, etc. in Boston, but don't
	mind buying it from a place run by high school kids (not to imply
	that all younger musicians aren't knowledgable), as long as
	it's cheap.  Tnx,

	/ravi

    
    I've got a Boss Digital Reverb (can't remember the model number
    off-hand) which I've had about a year, and I'm still pleased with
    it. Cost me 140 UK pounds new. It has 6 modes;
    
    	1)	Room
    	2)	Small Hall
    	3)	Large Hall
    	4)	Plate Reverb (apparently a "studio" effect)
    	5)	Delay
    	6)	Gate Reverb (very useful with a drum machine)
    
    In each mode, you can adjust the "depth" of reverb, except in Delay
    mode where you adjust the repeat-speed. There is also an EQ control
    and a mix control between the original signal and the effect signal.
    
    It has a signal mono input but stereo outputs (can be used for mono).
    
    Andy 	
                                                             

RE < Note 1425.0 by FOO::BHAVNANI "SYS$UNWIND - laid back VMS" >

	One thing to remember about using a digital reverb on the street - at
least the Boss unit CANNOT run on batteries.  I don't know about the Digitech 
unit.  If by saying "using it on the street" you mean having no access to AC, 
you may be out of luck.

	Dan

    The Boss digital reverb pedal is called the RV2 and it is the only 
    Boss pedal that does not run on batteries. These units require so 
    much dc current (probably in the order of ~100ma, since the Boss 
    "psm" wall bug provides 300ma), that a 9v transistor battery would 
    have less than an hour before it died. This is not to say you could
    not run it off of something other than a 9v transistor battery.
    Note 1279 discusses battery rigs. With a motorcycle battery or other 
    rechargeable power pack you could run a battery rig a lot longer, 
    and cheaper in the long run. If you are playing on the street chances 
    are your using something like a Mouse. You could run the amp, and a 
    whole chain of efx off one battery. 
    
    By the way, there are a lot of rack-mount effects out there that
    actually are powered by dc. They include a wall bug which converts
    house current to some dc level (anywhere from 9v and up). These
    units could be run off a 12v motorcycle or car battery, etc. using
    an appropriate transformer. For example the Boss micro studio series
    efx all run off of 9v dc. These units can be run off of a psm wall
    bug, or the 1/2 rack power supply Boss sells which supplies 900ma. 
    Alesis efx (all their micro series 1/3 rack and the midiverbII,
    etc) also run off of dc via a wall bug. Even my Rane ME15 equalizer 
    has a dc jack on the real panel. 
    
    Most people that play on the street only ocassionally would probably
    not want to bother going this route, but a serious street player
    would really have to out of shear necessity. I have a portable rig
    which I assembled, but not with street playing in mind. I was more
    interested in using my setup while camping, or at an outdoor party.
    My rig can run off anything from 9v transistor batteries to ac,
    to a car battery.
    
    Mark
    

    
    The DigiTech stomp boxes can be run from batteries but *eat* them.
    Reverbs have more processing circuitry than delays, therefore tend to
    eat them faster (i.e. the Boss RV-2, for instance).  For the street,
    using just a delay (and an *analog* one at that) should do the trick,
    we're not talking studio quality sound requirements here!!!! 

    							Brian

	> The DigiTech stomp boxes can be run from batteries but
	> *eat* them.

	I agree.  I've been losing 9Vs to my MultiPlay pretty fast.
	I was contemplating going with a DOD or Boss analog reverb,
	but think I'll end up buying the DigiTech because I do a lot
	of home studio recording.

	Btw, does $189 (plus $5 s&h) for the DigiTech sound ok?

	/ravi

    Can any of these pedals be used to dynamically vary the amount of
    reverb that is applied or are they all basically on/off type pedals.
    
    That is, I want something that has a "gas pedal" type control (like
    on Wah-wahs) where all the way forward is "very wet" (lots of reverb)
    and all the way backwards is "dry" (no reverb).
    
    	db

RE < Note 1425.7 by DREGS::BLICKSTEIN "Conliberative" >

	Dave,

	While every reverb pedal I've seen is the on/off type, wouldn't a pan 
pedal (as you have described in the past) do what you're looking for?  Set up
one output to be dry and the other to run through the reverb pedal.  Mix as
desired.

	Dan

	The reverb pedals come with a MIX (WET/DRY) pot that controls
	the amount of reverbed signal audible at the output.  However,
	if you're looking for a dynamic control, .-1 is probably the
	way to go.

	Btw, the Digitech PedalVerb and the Boss RV2 both work on AC
	only.  Seems that digital reverbs don't use batteries because
	of the current drain.

	/ravi

    You could always modify one to do this if you don't mind hacking
    it up. You could pull out the pot and replace it with a 1/4"
    plug, and then control the mix with a pedal. I'm not sure what
    type of pedal would be appropriate here, either a regular volume
    pedal, or something like an expression pedal.
    
    Jerry Garcia uses a rack-mount ADA analog delay unit which
    has been altered in this exact way. He uses Ernie Ball volume
    pedals to control his delay time.
    
    Other than that I know of no-one with this capability in an
    off-the-shelf pedal.
    
    Mark
    
    

    Yes, I have used a pan pedal for this purpose for recording (including
    the guitar solo I did on Commusic III), but I wanted to check to see
    if there was something more convenient.
    
    At the moment, all my reverb is rack mounted which means running a cord
    to and from the rack to the pedalboard.  That's overkill, and I don't
    bother doing it for gigs and jams, but I do like to take the reverb
    away during the phrases, and bring it back in between phrases.
    
    I can get something fairly similar using the EV-5 pedal with the
    Roland GP-8.  I can modulate the delay mix with the EV-5, and
    I have a delay setting that can work as a substitute for reverb
    for this purpose.
    
    	db

I just bought one of the Ibanez Sound Tank Digital Reverbs (Mail order from
Venemans Music Emporium - $57.00 + $5.00 shipping), to replace a very old 
MXR analog delay that died recently (I bought it for $15.00 about 10 years
ago, so I can't say I didn't get my moneys worth out of it).

This is a nice little box for the price. The case is made of plastic (like
the MXR was), and it may not take abuse that well, however, mine is attached
to an aluminum plate with 5 other pedals and I doubt that it will get kicked
around much (this is the base of my microphone stand, and has a 30 lb steel
plate accross the bottom to keep it from falling over). It doesn't have as
long a delay (only 400ms) as the more expensive ones that I've tried, but
otherwise it sounds very good. I'd been in the market for a replacement for
about 3 months & didn't want to spend too much on this effect since it's 
not something that I really have to have (but I like the effect for some
songs).

The only thing that I didn't like was that they put the input/output jacks
on the back, as well as the 9v battery eliminator connector. My set up has
jacks with 90 degree bends and the output one shorted out the 9v eliminator
plug (I use radio shack plugs for the power, connected to a 3 amp 10V heavily
filtered supply - each power jack has a 10 ohm load resistor tied between
the power supply and each effect box - eliminates noise). I ended up putting 
some electrical tape around the area near the output jack where these 2 are
near each other, so it's no longer a problem.

							Jens

>(this is the base of my microphone stand, and has a 30 lb steel
>plate accross the bottom to keep it from falling over).
    
    Man, I'm glad I'm not *your* roadie!!
    
    Greg

    re: 30 lb steel plate
    
    Doesn't this guy use a Twin?
    
    That could explain it all.
    
    Dave

>    Doesn't this guy use a Twin?

Yes, I do. I also hang 2 near range monitors off of the stand (It uses ULTIMATE
keyboard stand parts, however, I epoxied  3/16th inch thick steel tube in
the 4 foot part that sticks out of the stand because there was too much
wobble in it when the monitors and drum machine were on it, and people
were jumping around on the stage. It's stable as a rock now). I've found that
anything that can't take abuse will be the first thing that gets it (must
be one of Murphy's laws).

							Jens

    Jens,
    
    how's the gas mileage on the vehicle that hauls all this poundage?
    
    8^)                                            

    No, I bet the biggest problem is that Jens has to bring his own 
    industrial-strength *stage* with him to gigs.
    
    Dave

    re: the previous few....
    
    No 2nd floor gigs, eh Jens?
    
    |*}
    
    dawg

>    No 2nd floor gigs, eh Jens?

Actually, as of late, I've turned down gigs where it was only one night and
there were lots of stairs involved. One such case occurred recently in Cripple
Creek (altitude 9,300 ft above sea level). I live at 6500 ft above sea level
(here in Colorado Springs), and I can tell you that carrying a Les Paul up
those flights of stairs at 9,300 ft. would leave most of you breathless. You 
really have to try this once to appreciate it (I've played at this altitude
many times). For some reason the casinos up in the mountains have put all of 
thier bands (mostly MIDI based singles & duo's) up at least one flight of 
stairs to overlook the slot machines. There is a reason the trees stop growing 
at 11,000 ft above sea level, and it's not because of the temperature. Even 
you car will seriously notice the lack of oxygen.

I have wheels on most things and a wheeled cart for everything else. I'm 
definately not a flatlander, and I hate to carry anything that I don't have
to.

Of course, I've never had a major failure of any of my heavy duty stuff. I
do recall that the Guitar Player of the 'Head Full Of Zombies - a now defunct
alternative Rock Band here in Colorado Springs - jumped up during a song,
and went right thru the floor (For those of you who know the band, this was
Alan playing his PRS) at the Dublin House; I think that this relates more to 
the cheaply built bandstands/risers that club owners put in more than the 
weight of the equipment.

							Jens

>Of course, I've never had a major failure of any of my heavy duty stuff. I
>do recall that the Guitar Player of the 'Head Full Of Zombies - a now defunct
>alternative Rock Band here in Colorado Springs - jumped up during a song,
>and went right thru the floor (For those of you who know the band, this was
>Alan playing his PRS) at the Dublin House;

    Haha!  I remember them telling me about that!  I think that was more
    the cheezy "stage" they have down there though.  I was down at the
    Dublin House last week and that stage still looked REALLY rickety!

    Greg

    RE: -1
    
    I used to live in 'the Springs" and yes, I remember the altitude
    factor!  I remember it most on the first couple of trail rides I took
    that started at about 9K ft.  My dirt bike was jetted perfectly, but I
    wasn't!!
    
    In one of my former bands (way back in the 70's) our kybd player used
    a Hammond B3.  Now *that* was a ball on several flights of stairs,
    especially when they changed directions!  I'd volunteer to carry the
    Leslie if I didn't have to help with the B3!
    
    dwag

    
    .19
    
    Jens,
    
    I know what you mean.  My brother lives in Sante Fe, N.M. and he and I
    like to ski (to put it mildly).  On one of my recent trips out to visit
    him, he took me skiing at Wolf Creek Pass in Southern Co.  I don't know
    what the elevation is, but I know it's pretty high.  Anyway, I think I
    took two runs in some semi-deep powder and felt like Godzilla had
    ripped my lungs out.  My brother, ever the supportive sibling, laughed
    his you know what off since he's used to it.  I also have a Les Paul,
    and I wouldn't carry it anywhere above 5000' (actually, more like
    sea-level).
    
    Al
                                          

    re: last few......
    
    What's all this talk about Les Pauls being heavy?  I guess it's all
    relative......I've played Les Pauls so long that they feel 'normal' and
    my Strat feesl way too light!
    
    Now Hammond B3's are heavy!
    
    8^0

> Now Hammond B3's are heavy!

Especially when you hang 'em on your strap ;-).

    >>> Now Hammond B3's are heavy!
    >>Especially when you hang 'em on your strap ;-).
    
    Try playing one behind your head!

    	hello...?.....anybody there?......
    	Looking for some info on the Ibenez reverb mentioned 	
    	previously in this notes file. Is it still in production?
    
    	-kev
    

    RE: 1425.26
    
    Hi Kev,
    	You're talking about the soundtank Ibanez Delay unit right? The 
    answer is yes, they still make them. Although they work great for a live 
    situation they "may not" be perfect for vocals or serious recording since 
    they tend to have alittle more noise than most higher end rackmounted units.
    
    		Nice unit for a good price!
    
    			Fred

    	Thanks Fred, I've been looking for a reverd for quite some time
    	now. I run a '72 bassman head, so reverb is NOT a stock option.
    	I was checking out the BOSS RV2 pedal the other day and REALLY 
    	fell in love with it's PLATE reverb effect.It seems to differ
    	so much from this Roland (component style) reverb that I borrowed 
    	from a friend (spring reverb). Any idea's as to why I can't stand
    	the Roland, but love the Boss??? I guess what I was wondering was, 
    	what exactly makes up a plate reverb?
    	Also, this file was dormant for a couple of years, I put a note in
    	yesterday and you answered it almost immediately. How'd you know
    	there was another note added? 
    
    	-kev
    

    Thanks!

    So....anybody know what a PLATE reverb is?
    

    A "plate" reverb effect is a digital simulation of the reverbs used in
    early studios,where a large metal sheet would have a transducer fixed
    onto it,making it vibrate with the vocal or instrumental sounds. The
    plate would be miked up,and the effect could be varied by changing the
    volume going to it,changing the mike position,or mixing in different
    amounts of the effect.
    
    				hope this helps.
    
    						  Jim.

    	Thanks Jim,interesting stuff. I wonder how they came upm with that?
    
    	-kev

    A _real_ plate reverb is far superior in quality to any of the digital
    $#!+ out there today.

    re: .-1
    
    > A _real_ plate reverb is far superior in quality to any of the digital
    > $#!+ out there today.
    
    Depends on what you're doing. 
    
    You can make that argument for guitars I think, but I'd never use a
    plate reverb for vocals and drums.    I also know that I will NEVER
    EVER part with my Roland SRV-2000 digital reverb.