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1353.1 | Love 'em | CSC32::G_HOUSE | Speak, Strike, Redress | Fri Jun 23 1989 16:42 | 10 |
| I have a Charvel model 4 which I've played for over a year now. I love
it!
The electronics offer a wide variety of tonal variation. The neck is
one of the best feeling I've ever felt. The fit and finish is also
excellent.
Did you have some specific questions about them?
Greg
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1353.2 | Its preference I think, but they're ok. | MARKER::BUCKLEY | I wish it was summertime all year! | Fri Jun 23 1989 16:55 | 11 |
| I, personally, don't like the electronics on the newer Charvels and
Jacksons...they use ceramic pickups and the sound is just too clean and
polished for me (Kevin McDonough knows the sound I like ...
over-the-edge). I like a more ratty tone in my sound. Also, the necks
are real thick (like a `71 LP Custom)...and I am used to thin, flat
fingerboards now (check out an old Rg550 and you'lll see what I
mean...its FLAT!). Their version of the Floyd Rose down't turn me on
too much either...not enough sustain from the unit and the adjustable
controls are bulky and in odd places. This would be a guitar for a
very modern guitarist, but I'm from the old school and it feels and
sounds odd to me in several ways. they are weel made guitars, though.
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1353.3 | | SALEM::TAYLOR_J | | Sat Jun 24 1989 10:35 | 6 |
| I was just wondering about current opinion of charvel,as I have
a Charvel model 1 {1 pickup}and since IMC bought out Charvel,alot
of guitar players now tell me they are now basicly Hondos.
I personally like the guitar,jumbo frets and a slim neck.
the guitars are apparently made in Texas USA and as far as my guitar
is concerned ,the quality is great.
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1353.4 | If u don't now, u will! | VLNVAX::ALECLAIRE | | Sat Jun 24 1989 20:45 | 11 |
| I played one recently that was set up with a real
bad action, but if you're like me you'll rip it apart in about an hour
after getting it home anyway. The neck dosen't bother me, if you know
how to use your fingers you can get fast on a thick neck as well as a
thin. Never ever ever trust any brand name, one piece of wood may sound
like squid while the next one sings like birds.
Judge each instrument on it's own merits and forget the brand name.
Sound! Play a couple, one WILL sound better than the other.
Andrew
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1353.5 | Good thing I talked you into that CJ eh Greg? | ASAHI::COOPER | Burn my flag, and I'll shoot ya... | Mon Jun 26 1989 14:31 | 22 |
| I (like Greg) have been playing mine (model IV) for about 1� years.
Ditto on what he said. The guit that I have has a Jackson J90 pickup
(the humbucker; I don't do neck or middle pickups even if the are there
) and has "Alnico V" magnets (ALuminum, NIckel, CObolt) in it. It's
advertized as a Ultra high output, ultra distortion pickup.
My CJ is also equiped with Jackson JE1200 active electronics with
an on-board pre-amp (for mid boost). It doesn't feedback and is
about nasty soundin'... And I'm the guy who can never get enough
distortion/over-drive.
While I like the trem unit a lot, I will say that if your used to a
real Floyd (which I never really cared for) then you might not like
it. One thing I don't care for on either is that they are a b*t*h
to set the intonation on.
I love the neck...and my action is so low that you need a optical
comparator to measure it. ;^)
See ? To each his own.
jc
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1353.6 | Buy what feels and sounds good to YOU! | CSC32::G_HOUSE | Speak, Strike, Redress | Wed Jun 28 1989 02:23 | 55 |
| Just a few comments...
For those that don't like the Jackson trems (Floyd like), Charvel has
stopped using them on their current models. They are now using units
made by Schaller which are much more like the original Floyds (fine
tuners on the top, etc).
Forget that bunk that a Charvel is just a Hondo now. That's pure
rubbish. Just because they are owned by they same conglomerate doesn't
mean the quality is the same. Play them both (or even LOOK at them
both), you'll see an immediate difference.
I personally like the sound of the Jackson pickups and active
electronics in mine. I use all the pickups and they give me an
excellent variety of sounds. It is a very smooth type sound when
driven hard though, so I could definitely see why some people might not
want that all the time. I compensate with a little boost and EQ.
I thought that the Charvels had a fairly thin neck (front to rear), but
a little wider (across the fretboard). The newer Ibanez offerings are
thinner, but I don't think of many others. Mine is very similar to an
ESP I've played.
re: .last
>The guit that I have has a Jackson J90 pickup...
Did you special order it? The old Charvel catalog I have lists the
standard humbucking pickup for a Model 4 as a J50BC ("Vintage ceramic
humbucking"). It's part of the standard JE12001H2SC (mid-boost low
impedance, 1 humbucking, 2 single coil) active electronic package,
stock for the Model 4.
>I love the neck...and my action is so low that you need a optical
>comparator to measure it. ;^)
You must not pull UP on the bar, 'cause you have to compromise on the
height of the action because the design of a Floyd Rose style trem
causes the strings to pull down as you pull up on the bar. I set my
action at about 3/32 in. because of this, even though could easily be
set much lower. I like to pull up on the trem and don't get off on
the strings bottoming out on the high frets (although at this height,
they still do a little).
This isn't a slam on Charvel, it's just a statement regarding guitars
with a Floyd style trem. They can't be set for extremely low action
without disabling the function of raising the pitch of the notes using
the bar.
As Buck says, also check out the new Ibanez models. They really are an
excellent guitar, the relatively low price is an additional bonus.
Greg
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1353.7 | More stuff on CJ's... | ASAHI::COOPER | Burn my flag, and I'll shoot ya... | Wed Jun 28 1989 14:18 | 19 |
| Naw, I didn't special order it... My little owners guide sez thats
what it's got though... I will say that my p/u is a little tuff
to get to feedback. Like, I stand in front of my Marshalls (set
on 11!) and they are a little slow to get started. I always considered
this to be a plus... I hate squeekie feedback; I LOVE wicked nasty
distortion...
Oh, and while I do pull up on the wiggle stick, I don't try and
Vai type stuff so I hadn't experienced any problems like string
bottoming...
The Ibanez guits that I've played seem thiner (necks) like Greg said
too, but the Ibanez fret board is FLAT. The Charvel seems to have a
little radius to it...
Back on track though... Greg is right. All that matters is what
is good for you...
jc
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1353.8 | ?!? | DEMING::CLARK | roots, wings, and oat bran | Wed Jul 05 1989 09:34 | 6 |
| re .2
'the old school'? C'mon, Buck, what old school is that? MAlmsteen
and Vai? (as opposed to Gilbert and Impelleteri?)
-Dave from the REAL old school of Clapton/Buchanan/Garcia
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1353.9 | | MARKER::BUCKLEY | Motor Man | Wed Jul 05 1989 09:49 | 5 |
|
The old school :== Gary Moore, Joe Perry, Jimi Page, and Schenker...
those cats are the `old school' for me.
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1353.10 | I got mine !!! | CASPRO::PELLERIN | | Thu Jul 06 1989 12:51 | 13 |
| I just bought a last issue Charvel Mod VI (six) (before they changed
the whole line for 1990. It sounds real smooth and warm, and has
good sustain. With this guitar (and it's active pre-amp on board),
I am able to back down the pre-amp gain in my boogie on all channels,
which will probably save on tube life, while giving me a great tone.
I thought I'd never get used to a wide, flat neck, but I did
(practice???) and now I love it.
I wish I knew what type of wood it was made of though (I know the
fretboard is Rosewood).
-BAP
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1353.11 | | ASAHI::COOPER | Burn my flag, and I'll shoot ya... | Mon Jul 10 1989 14:37 | 4 |
| Charvels Model six (and four and five) is made from Poplar according to
the glossy I have. The other Charvels are Basswood.
jc
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1353.12 | One pickup, One knob, No waiting! | MAAFA1::WYOUNG | Yow! Lemme outta here! | Tue Jul 11 1989 13:07 | 11 |
|
I'm the proud owner of a Charvel Model 1 (one J-90 ceramic hi-output
humbucker, Fender-style non-locking whammy which I never use, maple
fingerboard) Compared to my '79 Strat, which has a neck like a baseball
bat sawed in half lengthwise, the Charvel neck is pretty thin and
wide. The sound thru a Rockman or my Vibro Champ on 10 is cool -
crunchy distortion with decent sustain. More than enough axe for
my current needs.
Warren Young
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1353.13 | | AQUA::ROST | It's the beat, the beat, the beat | Thu Jul 20 1989 08:40 | 10 |
|
re: .2
Finally met someone who played a Charvel (OK, so I'm from Mars)
and I was shocked at how *clean* it sounded. Very thin and cutting.
I guess it would sound good if a lot of signal processing would
be used, as a thicker tone might get muddy. I guess I was expecting
gobs of drooling distortion, not a Tele-like sound.
Brian
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1353.14 | ...if only they'd make 'em programmable... | EMC2::PELLATT | Stand in the place where you are | Fri Jul 21 1989 06:56 | 15 |
| Re .13, can't let that pass !
Guess it depends which model but playing with the active controls ( how
many people bother after it's a day old ??? ) you can get everything.
From, as you say, a remarkably Tele like sound, through a lovely singing
'Jimi' tone using the bass pickup, pull thick ( yeah, yeah I own a Peavey -
but I like it ! ) and a load of saturation or a real 1990 speedmetal
scream with the treble pickup, mid-boost etc...
...biggest problem I have ( still, after owning the beast a year ) is
remembering how I got that beautiful tone last time I picked the guitar
up...
Dave.
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1353.15 | Trem bars breaking! | CSC32::G_HOUSE | I guess I'm just a spud boy | Fri Aug 04 1989 21:18 | 18 |
| Has anyone else around had problems with breaking the tremelo bars in
the Jackson tremelos that were until recently used in Charvels?
I've just broken the second one in a year! They both broke in the same
spot, at the top of the top groove where the friction grommet fits,
leaving the "plug-in" tip in the socket in the trem body. I thought
that the first one was just defective, but now that the second one has
gone, I'm getting concerned.
I didn't think that I was that hard on the tremelos...
Looks like I'll try a more sturdy setup, like the Schaller replacement
arm for Floyd style trems sold by Stewart-McDonalds. I'll miss being
able to plug the thing in rather then having to screw it down, but it
offers a finger adjustable tension which will be nice and hopefully
it'll be a bit more robust then the Jackson arms.
Greg
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1353.16 | Charvel Options List | UJEST::PROCTOR | Langley Proctor BOIS Demonstration Program | Sat Aug 05 1989 05:19 | 26 |
|
To answer note 1,
It's basically simple, go to any authorized Jackson/ Charvel
dealer and you'll find you can special order any custom option you
can literally think of. Charvel is just a division of Jackson, many
parts are interchangeable with Jacksons', so therefore you can order
your Charvel with the same amount of options as Jackson and then
some...
A) Neck
unfinished or finished; maple
fretboard; maple, rose wood, and some African woods
Inlays on neck; triangle, Jackson style, mother of pearl inlay
or regular dots.
B) Pending on what tremolo system you use, you can use standard
Kaler nut with locking after-nut near pegs, or my favorite the
R2 nut used with floyd rose, this system is universal with either
Kaler or Floyd.
C) Tuning pegs maybe gold plate or standard black, you may order
schaller, the finest pegs made. but would have to check with
dealership.
Have no time to continue on body later...
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1353.17 | Guess you have to expect it? | MARKER::BUCKLEY | long way 2 the top if u wanna R&R! | Mon Aug 07 1989 08:34 | 3 |
| My Jackson/Charvel owning students all have broken their trem arms off
in the same place more than once. I, a dedicated Ibanez owner, have
broken two arms off in the same place as well!!
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1353.18 | | ASAHI::COOPER | Burn my flag, and I'll shoot ya... | Mon Aug 07 1989 11:17 | 6 |
| Sheeesh ! You guize much be buchers !
I've had my CJ for quite a while, and I use my wiggle stick a LOT.
Maybe I'm lucky !
;^)
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1353.19 | A common complaint | CSC32::MOLLER | Nightmare on Sesame Street | Mon Aug 07 1989 16:00 | 10 |
| The vibrato arm on a Strat is known for the same problem (Ie, breaking).
I recall some outfit started making vibrato arms out of hardened stainless
steel & I bought one (for the short time that I owned a Strat) & It
never broke again. These arms were available from some of the 3rd party
parts people (like Mity Mite (no defunct) & Schecter). It's possible that
you could have one made if you can't locate an after market version. On the
Strat, it was very difficult to remove the part stuck in the vibrato
unit & generally no fun at all.
Jens
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1353.20 | Now keeping spares around... | COORS::G_HOUSE | I guess I'm just a spud boy | Wed Aug 09 1989 00:19 | 13 |
| Thanks! I was starting to think I was some kind of brute or something.
8^)
The replacement tremelo arm I was talking about is made by Schaller and
is available through Stewart McDonalds for about $10. I'm going to get
one and see how it fares. It replaces the whole assembly for "Floyd
Rose style tremelos".
BTW I don't remember, is the tremelo arm on the Ibanez trems the
"plug-in" style, or does it screw in?
Greg
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1353.21 | they're plug in | MARKER::BUCKLEY | long way 2 the top if u wanna R&R! | Wed Aug 09 1989 09:52 | 2 |
| Ibanez has "plug in" tremolo arms. Easier to get out, but still a drag
when you bust one.
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1353.22 | Broken tremolo arm woes | CSC32::G_HOUSE | I guess I'm just a spud boy | Wed Aug 09 1989 11:35 | 10 |
| I was wondering if that type design contributes to the breaking
problem...
The Jackson trem has a little screw that holds a spring clip that
retains the "plug" part of the trem arm in. If you remove the screw,
there is a hole that you can poke something (like a small allen wrench)
through to knock the broken piece out. It's not that difficult, but is
still a pain in the butt.
Greg
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1353.23 | I feel abused...I think. | 42384::EVANS | Aged Hippy | Thu Sep 21 1989 10:41 | 31 |
|
I was checking out the newer Charvels at Chandlers here in the UK.
My wife is a bit of a "Magpie" & was doing her usual trick of
collecting all the free literature she could lay her hands on (Lord
knows why...she can't play).
Anyway...one of the things she picked up was a Grover Jackson/Wayne
Charvel thing which had a brief history & some manufacturing details.
At the end of this there was paragraph where Grover was saying that
guitarists get off light & should be prepared to pay a lot more for
their instruments. Comparing Drummers & Keyboardists to guitarists
he said guitarists investment is substantially lower & he sees nothing
wrong with charging $2000 for the wooden bit & $3000 for the electrics.
He believed these sort of charges would allow him to build better
instruments & that guitarist had got away with paying $600 for a guitar
for too long (or something to that effect).
I found the way this was written to sound arrogant & patronising,
even an admission to being a rip off artist in the light of the
preceeding details on construction where all the cost cutting machinery
had been explained. I felt insulted to say the least, (I blamed my wife
& she took no notice whatsoever...as usual :-)) especially here in the
UK where we have to pay the same number of Pounds as you would Dollars
in the U.S. (price hike of 1.8 or there abouts).
I think it will be a while before I buy anything with a Jackson
logo on it....what do you guys think.
Cheers
Pete.
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1353.24 | Take It Easy | AQUA::ROST | Chickens don't take the day off | Thu Sep 21 1989 10:55 | 26 |
|
You may be looking at things from the wrong perspective. Compared to
other string instruments, guitars are far less expensive. Go price a
good violin sometime. Symphony players routinely pay tens of thousands
of dollars for their instruments.
The other point is that solid-body electrics are cheaper to build than
acoustic guitars. Go price a Martin D-45 sometime or a top-of-the-line
Gibson archtop and compare those prices with a Les Paul or a Strat.
Better yet, go price a Gibson Mastertone banjo or A Gibson F-5
mandolin. These are also in excess of $2000.
I think that what Grover was saying is that guitarists who get used to
paying $5-600 for an instrument are missing out on the workmanship they
could get if they were willing to pay $2000 or more. For a pro player
(not most of us, right?) the instrument is a tool of the trade and
the cost is therefore just an expense of doing business; you want the
best sound, you buy the best guitar, and if it's expensive, it's still
worth it if it makes for better music.
I doubt Grover meant what you have assumed, namely that the above gives
him a right to inflate his prices.
BTW, I don't own or like Charvel/Jackson guitars myself...
Brian
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1353.25 | Thank God for diplomacy. | 42384::EVANS | Aged Hippy | Thu Sep 21 1989 11:26 | 12 |
|
Actually he quoted that a concert cellist would pay about $25000 for an
instrument, he then went on to say he not advocate paying that for an
electric guitar....
I see what you're saying Brian & I guess put that way it does make
sense. If that is what he really meant to say he ought to fire his
P.R. guy 'cos this article made Jackson sound like a complete Sh*t head.
Cheers
Pete.
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1353.26 | id parade | 42384::EVANS | Aged Hippy | Thu Sep 21 1989 13:03 | 12 |
|
Actually going on from my note .23. I can't for the life of me
remember which model Charvel I tried.
It had three PU's (bridge humbucker, two single coils). Three pots
5 pos select switch, Floyd Rose (micro tuners on top) 700 pounds with
case ($1260 approx).
Can anyone identify this baby....
Cheers
Pete.
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1353.27 | | ASAHI::COOPER | Insert Flipper-type P-name here... | Thu Sep 21 1989 13:17 | 6 |
| If it was "neck thru" it was the new models equivelent to the model
6...If the neck was bolt-on, I think it was the "new" model four.
How'd you like the axe ?
jc
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1353.28 | SSHHH...strat fans about. | 42384::EVANS | Aged Hippy | Thu Sep 21 1989 13:40 | 10 |
|
Didn't notice the neck construction but at least that gives me an idea.
Did I like the axe?......I think after the amount of sh*t you got in the
AFTER_HOURS about yours I'd better keep quiet :-) :-).
(Actually I loved it but don't tell O.K. :-))
Cheers
Pete.
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1353.29 | | ASAHI::COOPER | Insert Flipper-type P-name here... | Thu Sep 21 1989 15:26 | 4 |
| Hey, no problem... I don't think they know how to do an ADD ENTRY
to access this conference anyhow...
;^)
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1353.30 | Add what??? | RAVEN1::DANDREA | Tastes gweat, wess fiwwing | Fri Sep 22 1989 10:07 | 10 |
| RE: .29
By the way, Jeff, how DO you do an add entry to get into this
conference? I've been wanting to access this note so I could take
some lame cheap shot at yer Sharvills or whatever those spear shaped
things are called, but I'll understand if ya don't wanna tell me
how to get into this conference....
Booldawg |8^}
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1353.31 | | ASAHI::COOPER | Insert Flipper-type P-name here... | Fri Sep 22 1989 13:35 | 4 |
| Spear-shaped things...
Sheesh ! ;^)
jc
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1353.32 | Stay cool Jeff I'm with ya my man. | 42384::EVANS | if you don't C# you'll Bb | Sun Sep 24 1989 14:45 | 23 |
|
Well Jeff there comes a time in every mans life when he has
decide if he's a man or a mouse....so pass the cheese....no no
seriously now I think it's time to stick up for you man.
I was really impressed with this Charvel. I have an old Les Paul
as my main axe so naturally enough I found the humbucker on the
Charvel a little thin but not so much that I was troubled by it.
Using the single coils I found I could get any Strat sound I wanted
with bags of sustain not like some banjo sounding Strats I have
played.
This was a very nice guitar & amazingly versatile without compromise.
I would like to ask you Jeff what would be the pro's & con's of
the through neck over the bolt on (your recomendation welcomed)
and as a buddy of mine is off to the States in a month or so
the prices that I could get one for (with case) in the Mass/NH
area.
Cheers
Pete.
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1353.33 | Come back....what did I say (sob sob!) | 42384::EVANS | if you don't C# you'll Bb | Tue Sep 26 1989 05:24 | 18 |
| I would like to ask you Jeff what would be the pro's & con's of
the through neck over the bolt on (your recomendation welcomed)
>I would like to ask you Jeff what would be the pro's & con's of
>the through neck over the bolt on (your recomendation welcomed)
>and as a buddy of mine is off to the States in a month or so
>the prices that I could get one for (with case) in the Mass/NH
>area.
Anyone going to tell me? Please Please.
Cheers
Pete.
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1353.34 | How about this? | CSC32::G_HOUSE | Back to the front | Tue Sep 26 1989 14:09 | 25 |
| Well, you *did* ask Jeff... I guess he's not around. :-)
I think the big advantage of a neck-thru assembly is it's rigidity and
stability. Some say this increases sustain. IMO it certainly
increases the possibility of sustain. All the neck-thru guitars I've
played have had excellent sustain (but many guitars with bolt-on necks
do too). I'd think that the lack of a neck joint makes the guitar more
durable. One thing nobody seems to mention that I see as an advantage
of neck-thru design is that the heel where the neck meets the body can
be made much less obtrusive, making access to the upper frets a little
easier.
I really don't see any disadvantage to the neck-thru design, other then
the fact that they are generally more expensive. In my case that was a
crucial factor, so I bought the equivalent bolt-on model which saved me
$200-$300.
I'm not up on the current prices (esp. in New England), but I imagine
that a neck-thru model Charvel could be had for around $900.00 (US),
maybe a little less. They do have some really nice ones that go for
about $1200.
Hope this helps!
Greg
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1353.35 | DUH... | DNEAST::GREVE_STEVE | If all else fails, take a nap... | Tue Sep 26 1989 14:42 | 10 |
|
Greg... stoopid questions??? Do neck throughs have truss rods???
Are they as easy to adjust as bolt ons??? How is a shimming effect
realized when there's no place to put the shim??? How is the action
adjusted (is the only question I guess I needed to ask).
Steve
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1353.36 | The Cons | AQUA::ROST | Chickens don't take the day off | Tue Sep 26 1989 16:54 | 22 |
|
Actually, neck-through designs can be *less* durable...ask anyone who's
seen the neck broken off an old Gibson Firebird. The problem is not
the neck-through design itself, but the heel (or lack of it). If the
neck is *very* thin where it meets the body (as on my B.C. Rich) it is
actually a weak spot compared to a Fender-style bolt-on joint or Gibson
style set-in joint.
I agree that access to the upper frets is much improved if the heel is
kept small and in fact that's the thing I like best about my Rich's
neck.
You still need a truss rod in neck-throughs made of wood, the access is
always from the peghead end.
The added expense comes mainly from the fact that you need longer
pieces of wood to make neck-throughs. The idea isn't all that new,
BTW, Gibson Firebirds/Thunderbirds (1960??) and Rickenbacker basses
from the late 50s used the technique, but it wasn't applied widely
until Alembic started using it in the early 70s.
Brian
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1353.37 | Interesting | CSC32::G_HOUSE | Back to the front | Wed Sep 27 1989 13:04 | 13 |
| re:.36
Less durable? Hmmm, I guess I could see it from the description you
gave, but you wouldn't intuitively think that. Not what they lead you
to believe either...
re:.35
You can't do 'shimming' type adjustments on them. If the neck/guitar
is designed for the bridge you're using you don't normally need to do
that on a bolt-on neck model.
Greg
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1353.38 | | ASAHI::COOPER | Insert Flipper-type P-name here... | Thu Sep 28 1989 11:11 | 13 |
| Wow... I guess I missed all the action here eh ?
I agree with what everyone said here. One other draw back of a
neck-thru ? You bust it and your doomed. You can't bolt another
on... Ergo, make sure you use strap locks and get a good case
etc..etc..
I personally really enjoy neck-thru axes of most any type because
of the smooth juncton at the body of the guit.
jc
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1353.39 | Schaller replacement bars | CSC32::G_HOUSE | I just can't slow down | Tue Nov 28 1989 17:18 | 25 |
| Just a quick follow-up after a long time to .20...
I replaced the Jackson tremelo bar arm assembly (arm and socket) on my
Charvel with a Schaller unit that I got from Stewart-McDonalds. I'm
very happy with it and seriously doubt that I'll be breaking any more
of these.
A couple of notes for those that are thinking about this. 1) The hole
in the tremelo baseplate where the Jackson arm fits is a little small
and has to be reemed out a little for it to fit. This means that the
original threads are removed, so there's no going back to the original
piece. Fortunately it's made of soft aluminum (and I wondered why this
thing has no sustain...) and is easy to reem. 2) the base plate on the
Jackson trem is thicker then the Floyd Rose that the Schaller arm
assembly is designed to fit. I had to go buy a longer little hex bolt
to replace the one that holds the socket onto the baseplate to get
enough thread to grab. 3) the arm sits just a little bit higher when
installed and is just a little shorter then the original. No problem
for me.
Overall, I'm very glad that I did it. Besides the better feel and
increased strength, it also enabled me to get a black bar for the thing
which I couldn't seem to get before.
Greg
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1353.40 | | NAVIER::STARR | My glance turns to a stare... | Thu May 17 1990 14:51 | 25 |
| Look - its Jeff Cooper's dream come true!!!!!!
I just got in the latest Musician's Friend catalog, and right there on Page 2
is a nice picture of a Charvel ST Custom.
Ya know what the ST stands for?
Stratocaster!!!!!!!
Yup, looks like Charvel is making an exact copy of the Strat, except its got
that damn pointy headstock. Otherwise, it looks pretty close to the original
(right down to the sunburst finish).
Some details:
Four (!) single-coil sized, humbucking pickups.
Ash 2-piece body.
Standard five-way selector, plus a 3-way mini switch for the extra pickup
(giving a total of 15 possible combinations)
Maple nexk with rosewood fretboard
Locking nut and knife-edge fulcrum bridge
Price was a list of $719.90, and a retail of $519.88.
Alan S.
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1353.41 | | TCC::COOPER | MIDI rack puke | Thu May 17 1990 15:10 | 19 |
| ....Thud....
_ /|
\'o.O' AcK!!
=(___)=
U
ST stands for Stravichnoiya, which translated from the Russian verb
meaning "Low-tech hook for old-fart-wannabe Charvel owners".
;)
Don't fall for it. If you want a strat, buy a strat.
jc (Who's Model 4 looks like a strat with a humbucker too)
PS - Just for that, I didn't compress H_M last night. ;)
|
1353.42 | what he said | RAVEN1::BLAIR | Never met a guitar I didn't like | Thu May 17 1990 16:21 | 6 |
|
> Don't fall for it. If you want a strat, buy a strat.
Damn it, Jeff, you took the words right outta my mouth. So let me
get this straight. A Charvel man is advising others not to buy a
Charvel? ;^o
|
1353.43 | it's happening.... | RAVEN1::DANDREA | Frog lickers unite! | Fri May 18 1990 09:23 | 1 |
| Sounds to me like Coop wants a strat.....Patman, you predicted it!
|
1353.44 | | TCC::COOPER | MIDI rack puke | Fri May 18 1990 10:14 | 11 |
| Actually, Alan Starr predicted many moons ago that I would one day
own a strat and a Fender twin... <insert sound of hockey-rink-style
buzzer>
Actually, my father-in-law-to-be will probably allow me to adopt his
Fender Twin Reverb (circa 1960-something), his Gibson L4 AND his
S*RAT, AND his Ibanez Artist AR500...Since he doesn't play them anymore.
Bummer ? Nah, I'll let the strat collect dust along with my 12 string
and my Marlboro amp. I'll use the twin for practice...maybe...
;)
|
1353.45 | Talk about marrying into equipment | MILKWY::JMINVILLE | | Fri May 18 1990 10:20 | 6 |
| RE: .44...
Yeah, now maybe you can get a real "semi-clean Twin Reverb"
patch programmed into your MP-1. ;^)
joe.
|
1353.46 | | TCC::COOPER | MIDI rack puke | Fri May 18 1990 10:24 | 7 |
| Pops got some really nice stuff. ;)
PS - I've already got a semi-clean twin emulating preset, 'cept I don't have
to blow everybody off the stage to get it. ;) (unless of course I want
too... ;)
jc (Who is happy with his MP1)
|
1353.47 | nice wedding gift, perhaps? 8^) | NAVIER::STARR | My glance turns to a stare... | Fri May 18 1990 10:53 | 10 |
| > Actually, my father-in-law-to-be will probably allow me to adopt his
> Fender Twin Reverb (circa 1960-something), his Gibson L4 AND his
>S*RAT, AND his Ibanez Artist AR500...Since he doesn't play them anymore.
Yo Coop! That Gibson L4 was a *beauty*!!!!!!!!!
But how come he doesn't play anymore? He was great when he played that Hank
Williams tune for us - I was blown away!
Alan S.
|
1353.48 | | TCC::COOPER | MIDI rack puke | Fri May 18 1990 12:27 | 11 |
| He still plays for requests... ;)
Like "Tear In My Beer". Love that tune.
I'm gonna write some metal riffs for it and record it with
some perverted lyrics and give it too him for his
birthday.
BTW - He thought the Toxic Donuts and The Crunchberries
were awesome !
jc
|
1353.49 | HELP WITH A CHARVEL I.D. | ELWOOD::CAPOZZO | China Beat | Fri May 18 1990 12:29 | 9 |
| I'm trying to identify a Charvel. It has one HM and two single coil
pickups, a thru neck, three pots and three single switchs, and a
locking bridge. The backplate is missing so I can't find the model #.
Also insted of saying Charvel on the top of the neck it says
Charvel by Jackson.
Any info??
Thanks Mike___
|
1353.50 | | ICS::BUCKLEY | You better drop the gun... | Fri May 18 1990 14:19 | 4 |
| -1
Binding on the neck? If so, it's a Model 6, if not, a Model 4.
Not sure what the Model 5's look like.
|
1353.51 | | TCC::COOPER | MIDI rack puke | Fri May 18 1990 14:30 | 5 |
| Yep, Model 6...Unless it has no binding and no shark tooth inlays, then
it's an OLD axe, and I want it bad... But I doubt it is, so I'll shut up.
Has it got a floyd rose or a Jackson trem on it ?
jc (Charvel god/lover)
|
1353.52 | give it up Coop | RAVEN1::BLAIR | Never met a guitar I didn't like | Fri May 18 1990 14:45 | 6 |
|
Coop. When you finally hook up with the strat and twin reverb, you're
gonna find that there IS NO SUBSTITUTE! 128 gillion presets won't be
enough!
;^)
|
1353.53 | | TCC::COOPER | MIDI rack puke | Fri May 18 1990 14:56 | 14 |
| Waitasec here !
Just because I said I liked the tone you got with your Kitty/Strat
combo...
That doesn't mean it's for me.
Hi-buzz-distortion is where it's AT ! Fender Twins don't do dat...
'Specially with strats plugged into them...they buzz a little, then squeel
you into submission (read: turning down. ;)
I'll continue to emulate thanks. ;)
Many smiles to Fender lovers.
|
1353.54 | | RAVEN1::BLAIR | Never met a guitar I didn't like | Fri May 18 1990 16:54 | 2 |
|
Hi buzz distortion is for puff heads Jeff! Just KIDDING.
|
1353.55 | | TCC::COOPER | MIDI rack puke | Fri May 18 1990 17:33 | 3 |
| Yessir... The ones with the big bucks and the classy sound.
;)
|
1353.56 | Yeah, model 6 | COOKIE::G_HOUSE | 10,000 Lovers | Fri May 18 1990 19:57 | 22 |
| Re: whoever back there...
Like everyone else said, the guitar you described is a model 6. It has a
slightly smaller more stylized body then a model 4, but the big difference
between a 4 and a 6 is that the model 4 has a bolt on neck and the 6 is a
neck through body. The electronics are active, the third (lowest) knob
is a midrange boost control. Check the battery in the control cavity every
few months for optimal tone.
A model 5 was a model 6 (neck thru, smaller body) with different pickups
and electronics. It has two humbuckers and a 5 position switch.
These model numbers were the older ones, I'm not that familiar with the
new model numbers. The way you described the headstock logo, they should
be correct.
BTW, Alan said that the ST custom in the Musicians Friend catalog had a
pointy headstock, implying that the headstock was like the rest of the
Charvel line (pointy, angled "hockey stick" style) and the ST isn't like
that. It's more like a stylized Strat headstock shape.
Greg
|
1353.57 | My contibution to the Charvel note. | FSTVAX::GALLO | Bass: The Final Frontier | Fri May 18 1990 22:20 | 7 |
|
Big Hairs & Puff Heads... agagaga!
Geez, I *love* this file...
-Tom
|
1353.58 | | CHEFS::DALLISON | Little Chops of Horror | Sat May 19 1990 10:03 | 7 |
|
Yo JC,
That Ibanez Artist is a great guitar - I played it when I came over
to visit you guys last year and Cindi took me to meet her parents.
Congrats on the axe!
|
1353.59 | One more problem | ELWOOD::CAPOZZO | China Beat | Mon May 21 1990 09:08 | 9 |
| Thanks for the info, I found out it is a 1988 model six with the active
pickups, however when I opened up the back plate I found that the
pickups had been butchered. Someone must have decided that they didn't
like them. They cut all the wires rewired just the neck pickup. Sooo
does anyone know how I can get a copy of the wire schematics, I would
like to put it back in original shape.
Thanks for the help,
Mike___
|
1353.60 | | TCC::COOPER | MIDI rack puke | Mon May 21 1990 10:17 | 8 |
| ARrrrrrrrrghghghghghghghgh !
Kill that person !
No idea how to get a hold of the schematics, but perhaps a
call to Charvel would do the job ??
jc
|
1353.61 | | TCC::COOPER | MIDI rack puke | Mon May 21 1990 10:32 | 9 |
| oopppssss,
Yeah Tone, those Artists are nice.
I had a AR500 like Pop's and it got ripped off via UPS.
I was highly bummed.
:(
jc
|
1353.62 | Jackson | COOKIE::G_HOUSE | 10,000 Lovers | Mon May 21 1990 13:16 | 11 |
| The pickup system comes stock from Jackson, I'd call them rather then Charvel
for schematics. I don't remember the number, but I'm sure they could help
you.
If you get desperate I could open up my Model 4 which has the same electronics
and try and figure it out. But be forewarned that I'm not an EE type or
anything, so it might be confusing for both of us trying to communicate what's
in there. Maybe Coop's better at drawing schematics (?), he's got a Model 4
too.
Greg
|
1353.63 | Thanks | ELWOOD::CAPOZZO | China Beat | Mon May 21 1990 13:25 | 7 |
| Thanks for the info, I will try to locate the number for Jackson. If
anyone out there has it please forward it to me. If I don't have any
luck I'll get back and see if we can at least match up what color wires
go where.
Thanks,
Mike___
|
1353.64 | Umm...how about this? | COOKIE::G_HOUSE | 10,000 Lovers | Mon May 21 1990 14:14 | 9 |
| Don't know about Jackson, but Musicians Friend is an authorized dealer, they
list (800)777-5173 as the line to call one of their techs regarding Jackson
guitars.
I don't know if this will help you, but it might and the call is free. FWIW,
I did notice that this number is different then their regular number for
orders.
Greg
|
1353.65 | Drummer looking for guitar advise | ELWOOD::CAPOZZO | Mic Rophony | Mon Jun 25 1990 14:38 | 14 |
| I bought a 1988 model six, like I decribed before its the one with 3
toggle switchs , not the 5 position one. It has two single coil and one
dual Humbucker. I decided to re-outfit it with new pickups, the Jackson
pickups that were on it are hacked up. I would like some advice on what
to put in for pickups,(new Jacksons, EMG's, SD's,ect.) I just started
playing Gutiar and don't no much about tone and stuff like that, I got
a good deal on the guitar as is so now I want to make it sound the
best I can. So thats where you the Guitar guys can help me out. And in
return I can give advice on what drums to buy. Also does anyone no how
to set the height of a pickup if I was to install them myself??
Thanks for any help
Mike___
|
1353.66 | | VLNVAX::ALECLAIRE | The essence of art is work | Mon Jun 25 1990 16:35 | 3 |
| Height's adjustable by the 2 screws on either side of the pickup.
I'd use stock pickups if you can find out what they were, but what do
you mean hacked up?
|
1353.67 | the scoop | ELWOOD::CAPOZZO | Mic Rophony | Mon Jun 25 1990 17:03 | 9 |
| I know about the 2 screws on either side of the pickup, but how do you
know when you are at the right height. Is there a specified distance
between the pickup and the strings?? Also the guitar came stock with
(active Jackson pickups) and when I say hacked up I mean the wires
were cut at the top of the pickup making them useless (why he did this
I don't know) but I figure if I have to replace them anyway I would
like to use pickups that will give the guitar a good tone. I have heard
good and bad things about active pickups.
|
1353.68 | | VLNVAX::ALECLAIRE | The essence of art is work | Mon Jun 25 1990 17:33 | 27 |
| There is no right height. The limit of the screws range is what you
have to choose from, you need to know the closer the pickups are to the
striongs the higher the output. If the P/U are designed to give a lot
of output ( big magnets ) then the distortion of the pickups will be
heard easier if it's close. Conversely, if it's pretty well down into
the body they are not as loud and not as distorted.
Active pickups put more signal out, like in a guitar I have with a
copuple of 9V batteries I get a reasonable volume on a Marshall with
preamp = 8 to 10 and master 0 - 1, but a kramer with a passive pickup
I use 5 preamp and 5 master. The kramer is a clean sound, the other
distorted.
I prefer the sound of amp distortion to pickup or box In General,
you can get away with a lessd powerful amp with an active setup.
What's the skinny on you amp?
And what do you want to play?
And how much money do you want to spsend?
You can get a Schaller copy of 58 type pickups ( clean solid no
distortion ) for ~ 40 for the bucker, the others will run you more $$$.
How much did the ax gao for new, how good is it? You should hear
alot of pickups and base your choice on what you like the3 sound of,
any other way is bogus IMHO.
Andrew
|
1353.69 | JMO | COOKIE::G_HOUSE | No, I'm very, very shy. | Wed Jun 27 1990 21:05 | 10 |
| Mike,
How badly damaged is the wiring on the Jackson pickups you have?
They're really not bad sounding. I'd say if you can fix them up you'd
be dollars ahead and have something that sounds good too.
As always, I'll recommend EMGs if you're insistant on replacing them.
I've also used Seymore-Duncan and DiMarzio models that I liked a lot.
Greg
|
1353.70 | Possible Solution | ELWOOD::CAPOZZO | Mic Rophony | Thu Jun 28 1990 09:22 | 8 |
| Thanks for the advice, both of the J200 single coils are cut back as
far as the wires go, rendering them totaly usless. So I replaced them
with SD Hotrails. I'm having it done at McDuffs, they are going to try
wiring the SD's up with the Jackson J50BC humbucker that is already on
the bridge then give it a listen. If it works it will save me the bucks
of buying a new humbucker. The Hot rails cost enough!!!
Mike___
|
1353.71 | | CSC32::H_SO | Redline? What redline? | Sat Jan 05 1991 17:44 | 14 |
|
Hey, all you shovel heeds! Little late, but I'm happy to announce that
I have finally become a shovel heed myself. I'm now, a proud owner of
375 Deluxe.
Hey Rick C, I had a chance to buy one of them Fusion you test drove
for me about a year ago, but I decided against it because
1) it was 3 single coil config, although it has some real cool tones...
2) tremolo was not a double locking type
3) 375 has curley maple top and back.
Still Physed!
J.
|
1353.72 | Experience on Contemporary Spectrum? | KBOMFG::MARTINEK | Information Systems - KBO Germany | Mon Jun 17 1991 06:39 | 12 |
| Hi out there,
does anyone has experience especially with the
Charvel Contemporary Spectrum
Please feel free to answer here or send mail.
Best Regards
Wolfgang M.
|
1353.73 | Surfcaster? | GOES11::G_HOUSE | I wanna be sedated! | Fri Aug 02 1991 13:45 | 10 |
| Has anyone tried out the new Charvel Surfcasters? I think this has got
to be one of the hippest looking guitars to come out in awhile!
Cool colors, Chandler lipstick tube pickups on a mother of pearl look
pickguard.
Musician's Friend lists them for $749.88 in their latest catalog. Has
anyone seen prices on these in retail stores?
Greg
|
1353.74 | In The Tube | RGB::ROST | If you don't C#, you might Bb | Fri Aug 02 1991 15:55 | 9 |
| The Surfcasters look like a train wreck between a Rickenbacker and a
Danelectro. Doesn't anybody besides Ned Steinberger have any good new
ideas for guitar designs?
I expect the Surfcasters wil be a total bust unless some guitar hero
starts using one. Maybe Dick Dale 8^) 8^)
Brian
|
1353.75 | I think they're Fugly! | HAVASU::HEISER | my head's in Mississippi | Fri Aug 02 1991 17:36 | 2 |
|
|
1353.76 | ugly as sin | BHUNA::IGOLDIE | whats that funky smell? | Fri Aug 02 1991 17:42 | 6 |
| me too!
Staynz
|
1353.77 | Esp that surf GREEN one! | GOES11::G_HOUSE | I wanna be sedated! | Fri Aug 02 1991 17:54 | 3 |
| I think they're cool!
gh (who wants one!)
|
1353.78 | | CAVLRY::BUCK | Whatever happened to jane? Jane? JANE?! | Fri Aug 02 1991 18:02 | 3 |
| I think they're WAY cool.
Buck, who also wants a surf green one
|
1353.79 | Are they here yet? | FTMUDG::HENDERSON | Fun with Flesh! | Mon Aug 05 1991 15:34 | 10 |
|
Is there anyone in Colorado Springs that have the
Surfcaster in stock. I have been wanting to give one a
try. I think they look way cool too! Time to practice my
California surf instrumental licks.........Wipeout!
DonH
|
1353.80 | | KDX200::COOPER | Opinionated MIDI Rack Puke | Mon Aug 05 1991 15:46 | 5 |
| You can find Charvel at ProSound and Music Exchange me thinks - However,
I don't know if they have the UglyCasters(tm) - (and I NEVER do dat!) in
stock.
jc
|
1353.81 | | GOES11::G_HOUSE | I wanna be sedated! | Mon Aug 05 1991 15:54 | 4 |
| I thought Music Exchange only had used stuff? Do you mean Mr. Music
(Pawn)?
Greg (who tries to avoid going to all three of these places)
|
1353.82 | spreading the dz's | HAMER::KRON | RU4REAL | Tue Aug 06 1991 11:55 | 2 |
| at least you can't get a venereal disease from them like
you get from using those pointy guitars................
|
1353.83 | | RAVEN1::BLAIR | Need a hot tune and a cold one | Tue Aug 06 1991 15:09 | 2 |
|
I be likin' 'em too! Are they Mosrite copies or somethin'?
|
1353.84 | SURFcaster! | GOES11::G_HOUSE | I wanna be sedated! | Tue Aug 06 1991 15:41 | 5 |
| I don't think so, they look like they took features from a lot of the
"classic" instruments (Rik, Mosrite, Fender Jaguar) and kind of jumbled
'em together!
Greg, seeking one to look at at lunchtime today
|
1353.85 | For Co. Springs noters | GOES11::G_HOUSE | I wanna be sedated! | Tue Aug 06 1991 17:31 | 4 |
| Well, Prosound in Colorado Springs doesn't have one. The guy said they
don't stock much Charvel gear anymore.
Greg (still lookin)
|
1353.86 | I predict an early death for them | MILKWY::JACQUES | Vintage taste, reissue budget | Sun Aug 11 1991 23:59 | 7 |
| The pickgaurds on these are "Mother of toilet seat".
To me, they are so ugly, they're cool. Many classics fit into this
category, ie: Mosrites, White Falcons, DanElectro Longhorns, etc).
Mark
|
1353.87 | | GOES11::G_HOUSE | Green tinted 60s mind | Mon Aug 12 1991 02:09 | 3 |
| > -< I predict an early death for them >-
Too cool to live...
|
1353.88 | | RAVEN1::BLAIR | Need a hot tune and a cold one | Mon Aug 12 1991 16:01 | 4 |
|
There it is again - the "Mother of Toilet Seat" reference!
That plus "Marshallfurgnugen" have got to be the 2 funniest
descriptors from this conf. I crack up everytime I see 'em.
|
1353.89 | | IMTDEV::COOPER | Opinionated MIDI Rack Puke | Tue Aug 13 1991 15:26 | 7 |
| I just want everyone to know that yesterday was a sad day for MRP's and Shovel
lovers... After a five year marriage to my beloved Charvel, I traded it on
a Marshall 25/50 4x12... Twas a deal - I needed the cab more than the guit,
and my Ibanezs get the spotlight most of the time anyway. Still loved that
guit though...
jc
|
1353.90 | Now lose the midi! | GOES11::G_HOUSE | Green tinted 60s mind | Tue Aug 13 1991 15:45 | 1 |
| Just one more step towards "Marshall Stack Puke"...
|
1353.91 | | IMTDEV::COOPER | Opinionated MIDI Rack Puke | Tue Aug 13 1991 15:52 | 6 |
| No chance.
HardBalls stage_right is marshall, and stage left is all midi.
It's obvious where the tone is coming from.... :)
jc (DieHard!)
|
1353.92 | ;-) | HAVASU::HEISER | sleep with 1 eye open | Tue Aug 13 1991 17:43 | 3 |
| >It's obvious where the tone is coming from.... :)
yeah the Marshall!
|
1353.93 | First the Shovel... | GOES11::G_HOUSE | Green tinted 60s mind | Tue Aug 13 1991 19:42 | 3 |
| You can run but you can't hide. I've seen that Marshall sitting stage
left just waiting for it's moment to shine...
|
1353.94 | Back to the Beach | SNOC02::SHEARDJEFF | | Mon Aug 19 1991 00:00 | 5 |
| Has anyone played one of these Surfcasters ?
I reckon they look heaps cool too, but how do they sound/play ?
Tks...Jeff.
|
1353.95 | I wanted to... | GOES11::G_HOUSE | Why NOT ask why? | Tue Aug 20 1991 15:48 | 4 |
| I can't *find* one to play around here! Maybe while I'm in Mass next
week...
Greg
|
1353.96 | was too skeered to touch the thang | HAVASU::HEISER | unborn women have rights too | Tue Oct 29 1991 17:31 | 6 |
| Re: Surfcasters
One of the locals has some in stock. They're just as fugly in person
as they are in the ads.
Mike
|
1353.97 | Surf-a-matic | GOES11::G_HOUSE | Tommy The Cat | Tue Oct 29 1991 17:38 | 8 |
| I have yet to actually see one in person! I still think they're cool
though, but I'm starting to see more prices on 'em and I think they're
a little on the high side. Wish I could pick up a used one cheap
though.
Anyone know what scale length they use?
gh
|
1353.98 | | HAVASU::HEISER | unborn women have rights too | Tue Oct 29 1991 18:33 | 3 |
| > Anyone know what scale length they use?
yeah on a scale of 1 to 10, they measure -1 to infinitesimally fugly
|
1353.99 | Gimme a break | GOES11::G_HOUSE | Tommy The Cat | Tue Oct 29 1991 18:40 | 5 |
| Yeah right...
Is it a 25.5 or a 24.75, anyone know?
gh
|
1353.100 | in my DLR voice... | HAVASU::HEISER | unborn women have rights too | Tue Oct 29 1991 18:52 | 1 |
| "one break, comin' up!"
|
1353.101 | long | RANGER::WEBER | | Thu Oct 31 1991 09:12 | 2 |
| As befitting the "caster" in its name, it has a 25.5" scale (according
to the catalog, anyway).
|
1353.102 | | KERNEL::FLOWERS | Life? Just say NO! | Thu Oct 31 1991 09:19 | 5 |
|
Any idea what the scale length on a Charvel predator is?
J.
|
1353.103 | Not sure, but | GOES11::G_HOUSE | Tommy The Cat | Thu Oct 31 1991 15:09 | 6 |
| re: Predator
Probably 25.5, seems like all the Charvels I've seen except the
"Fusion" series ones are.
gh
|
1353.104 | Smurfcaster | SMURF::BENNETT | Ask me about Guitar Lessons | Fri Nov 01 1991 13:34 | 5 |
|
I saw both a six string and a 12 string hanging on the wall at
Steve's in Danvers. One of them was sunburst orange with a white
Mother-of-Toilet-Seat pickguard. Very pretty guitars. I got hung
up on a 540SLTD and didn't bother to ask to play one.
|
1353.105 | | RAVEN1::BLAIR | Need a hot tune and a cold one | Sun Nov 03 1991 15:03 | 2 |
|
Surfcasters are way cool!
|
1353.106 | | KDX200::COOPER | Step UP to the RACK ! | Mon Nov 04 1991 12:31 | 3 |
| Man, they COST though !!
Eeeesh
|
1353.107 | | HAVASU::HEISER | unborn women have rights too | Mon Nov 04 1991 13:04 | 7 |
| Fugly can be just as expensive as beauty. Look at some of the designer
clothes that starlets where in Hollywood.
_ /|
\'o.O'
=(___)= Aack!!!
U
|
1353.108 | Yep, too much | GOES11::G_HOUSE | Tommy The Cat | Mon Nov 04 1991 13:06 | 6 |
| Yeah, they're pretty expensive. From the mail order catalogs I've seen
lately, it looks like they're asking $700-$800 for them. I think this
is too much for a guitar with novelty type appeal. I'd probably
consider it at $400 or so, but not at twice that.
gh
|
1353.109 | | RAVEN1::BLAIR | Need a hot tune and a cold one | Tue Nov 05 1991 11:38 | 5 |
|
Greg, I never thought of them as novelty items. I caonsider them to
more of a reissue type of deal but built better than the originals.
-pat
|
1353.110 | | WASTED::tomg | From small things... | Tue Nov 05 1991 12:42 | 10 |
|
re:.-1
I'm not sure I understand.
What would the Surfcasters be re-issues of?
-T
|
1353.111 | | RAVEN1::BLAIR | Need a hot tune and a cold one | Tue Nov 05 1991 15:15 | 5 |
|
Perhaps I'm on drugs, but I thought the surfcasters were
a remake (not reissue) of a Mosrite design. No?
-enlighten me
|
1353.112 | | KDX200::COOPER | Step UP to the RACK ! | Tue Nov 05 1991 16:06 | 3 |
| CORRECTION !!
Tongue-in-cheek reissue of a Mosrite copy...
|
1353.113 | | LEDS::BURATI | Fender Bender | Tue Nov 05 1991 16:07 | 4 |
|
re .111
it's drugs
|
1353.114 | Or maybe just drugs... | GOES11::G_HOUSE | Tommy The Cat | Tue Nov 05 1991 16:52 | 11 |
| Yeah, I thought they looked kinda like a Mosrite, kinda like a Rick,
kinda like a Mustang...
In short: Kinda like a MUTT!
Face it, this design has limited appeal, notice the large number of
comments along the lines of "it's fugly" in this topic. I can't
imagine they're really selling a lot of them. I consider it a novelty
item for me and I don't pay top dollar for novelty items!
Greg
|
1353.115 | | WASTED::tomg | From small things... | Tue Nov 05 1991 16:57 | 16 |
|
I dunno. Whenever I see Surfcaster, all I can think of
is "Rickenbacker" or maybe "Danelectro", the latter
due to those lipstick tube pickups.
I guess, I just never thought "re-issue".
Come to think of it, there is some "Mosrite" in
there too.
FWIW, The reviewer in GP reviewed a 12 string
and (of course?) loved it.
|
1353.116 | | KDX200::COOPER | Step UP to the RACK ! | Tue Nov 05 1991 19:11 | 5 |
| RE: Greg and novelty items...
Wagagaga - cept for Marshalls. Marshalls are novel. :)
jc
|
1353.117 | I should share the drugs, yes? | RAVEN1::BLAIR | Need a hot tune and a cold one | Tue Nov 05 1991 23:06 | 1 |
|
|
1353.118 | what did you have in mind? | WOLVER::SDANDREA | Trials Bulldawg | Wed Nov 06 1991 09:39 | 5 |
| re: "share the drugs, yes?"
now Pat.........behave!
Steve 8^)
|
1353.119 | maybe a reverse Mosrite? | RAVEN1::BLAIR | Need a hot tune and a cold one | Wed Nov 06 1991 09:49 | 13 |
|
re: -.1
Everything.
BTW, I looked at some pictures of Mosrites last night and they
don't look much like Surfcasters. I'll bet however, that they
have some of the Ventures tone in mind. As far as being fugly,
I still disagree. Besides, it is rare that a new design comes
along that doesn't look like a fender or gibson. I guess it's
hard to gain acceptance of novelty guitars. I even read a
review on a Hamer that looks like a PRS and the author doesn't
even give credit to PRS for the design!
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1353.120 | | KDX200::COOPER | Step UP to the RACK ! | Wed Nov 06 1991 10:35 | 6 |
| Hey ! We're all guitarists here... Of *course* you have to share !
I too looked at a pic of a mosrite...Not too close to those...
Hmmm...
jc
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1353.121 | | RAVEN1::JERRYWHITE | | Wed Nov 06 1991 10:38 | 4 |
| My prediction ... Coop will find a GREAT deal on one of these, then
sell it as a collectable vintage re-issue ... 8^)
Scary (who still has a pair of BVD's, circa late 70's ... aany offers?)
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1353.122 | Since Monday ! Thats when !! :) | KDX200::COOPER | Step UP to the RACK ! | Wed Nov 06 1991 10:41 | 3 |
| Never happen. I've got MORALS !
:)
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1353.123 | ;-) | HAVASU::HEISER | unborn women have rights too | Wed Nov 06 1991 10:55 | 3 |
| Re: Scary's '70 BVDs
No cuz you've been wearin them since then!
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1353.124 | Lineage of Surfcaster | RANGER::WEBER | | Wed Nov 06 1991 11:08 | 3 |
| Rickenbacker and Danelectro, with a nod to Teisco.
Danny W.
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1353.125 | :) | HAMER::KRON | Dem's not babies..dem's fidgets!! | Wed Nov 06 1991 13:16 | 4 |
| .124, you just beat me to it, I totally agree.....and btw I agree
w/ coop that scary should share....but not the bvd's......I can't
take the inlays the '70's vintage seem to have.............
-Bill
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1353.126 | | RAVEN1::JERRYWHITE | | Wed Nov 06 1991 13:37 | 7 |
| RE: inlays ...
Well who wants something vintage that hasn't been used a little. The
nice touch is the waistband ... it can be comfortable worn over the
shoulders like suspenders if desired ... 8^)
Scary
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1353.127 | just how vintage are they? | WOLVER::SDANDREA | Trials Bulldawg | Wed Nov 06 1991 14:27 | 5 |
| Jerry,
Those BVD's still have the original labels?? 8^)
Steve
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1353.128 | | RAVEN1::JERRYWHITE | | Thu Nov 07 1991 06:43 | 4 |
| Yes, original labels .... but all the writing has rubbed off ... the
memories.
Scary
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1353.129 | :) | STRAT::JENSEN | Tone == JCM 900 | Tue Nov 12 1991 19:33 | 3 |
| I understand, though, that some dealers still have labels in stock, so you can
either buy these and replace the labels or build your own and slap new labels on
those -- nobody will ever know they're forgeries.
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1353.130 | Charvel 650 | WLDWST::EDWARDS | | Wed Nov 13 1991 17:08 | 4 |
| Spent some time in Guitar Center over the past weekend, played a
Charvel 650, at least I think that's what it was called ? Anyway
I really enjoyed the way it played, everything about it, is there
anyone that can give me some feedback on this ?
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1353.131 | General Charvel comments | GOES11::G_HOUSE | Tommy The Cat | Wed Nov 13 1991 17:45 | 15 |
| I don't know specifically about the 650s, but my opinion is that
Charvels are great playing guitars, but the Jackson pickups they put in
them sound terrible. They do seem to sound better through solid state
amps or using a lot of stomps then they do through tube amps.
JMO but Charvel seemed to cut corners around the pickups. I knew a guy
that bought a 375 (I think) and the pickups in it sucked! I don't know
what kind they were, but they were passive. Reminded me of the pickups
Kramer put in the Focus series instruments, real thin and crackly
bright. Disgusting!
I used to have a Model 4 and always enjoyed playing it.
Greg
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1353.132 | I was impressed | CAVLRY::BUCK | C and W | Wed Nov 13 1991 18:08 | 4 |
| >I used to have a Model 4 and always enjoyed playing it.
Which amazingly enough sounded AMAZING thru that KH head/M-word cab
combo you had at the time!
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1353.133 | | KDX200::COOPER | Step UP to the RACK ! | Wed Nov 13 1991 22:42 | 7 |
| Shovels are cool... But be prepared to pickup some static
from several unnamed sources in here...
jc (WHo played a Shovel Model 4 for a long, long time and loved it).
PS - I *will* pick up a Model 6 or a Jackson sometime. Hey Buck, still
got that Randy Rhodes that you must be *dying* to deal on ??
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1353.134 | no deals here bud | CAVLRY::BUCK | C and W | Thu Nov 14 1991 09:16 | 4 |
| >PS - I *will* pick up a Model 6 or a Jackson sometime. Hey Buck, still
> got that Randy Rhodes that you must be *dying* to deal on ??
Nope, found someone in the want ads who gave me what I wanted for it.
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1353.135 | Batteries in the pick-ups ? | WLDWST::EDWARDS | | Thu Nov 14 1991 13:11 | 9 |
| Thanks for the input ! I played this Charvel 650 through a Fender
Squir, and it sounded great, the guy at the store said the pickups
had batteries in them and that is why they had higher output. Even
through the little squir this guitar sounded giant. I haven't
seen the pickups with batteries in them before, maybe I'm behind the
times because I went back to acoustic for a while. Well anyway I'm
going to buy this bugger because this thing play's like a dream.
Jeff
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1353.136 | Play through your stuff if you can | GOES11::G_HOUSE | Tommy The Cat | Thu Nov 14 1991 13:31 | 11 |
| Be sure and play it through the same type amp you're going to use it
through if changing the pickups isn't something you want to do. My
Charvel sounded real good (as Buck mentioned) through my Kitty Hawk amp
(and my Crate SS amp, and my GK), but sounded like total crap through
my Marshall.
A battery usually indicates that it has an active electronic system in
it, either that or an onboard preamp. It's probably got the Jackson
active setup like the older Charvel model 4's and 6's had.
Greg
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1353.137 | | KDX200::COOPER | Step UP to the RACK ! | Thu Nov 14 1991 15:23 | 17 |
| Yeah JE1200 active electronix or some such ??
My Shovel sounded better than my Ibanez's thru my Marshall
(2550)... Marshalls are quite sensitive to whats plugged into
'em (my rack doesn't care). I thought the coolest sounding
guitar thru my 2550 was my American Std Strat. (FWIW).
I'm pretty fickle but I played my 4 for a long time - nice guits.
I played one recently with a full load of EMGs in it and it CRANKED
also.
I thought I'd heard that Charvel stopped using Jackson pickups in
their top-shelf stuff ?? (The 650 is a top line instrument isn't it?).
I thought they were using Seymour Duncans ??
jc
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1353.138 | Don't wnat to get ripped off ! | WLDWST::EDWARDS | | Fri Nov 15 1991 13:34 | 12 |
| Well as far as the pick-ups are concerned I'm not sure, will have to
take a closer look. Getting off of the subject, What would be a
reasonable price for a 650 ? This guitar lists for $1200. About a
month ago they had a sale on these and were asking $795.00, of course
it's over when I want one, what should I be willing to pay for this
guitar. I thought somewhere in the $700 to $800 range, if it gets
any higher should I ask them to add a hard case to the deal. It's
been so long since I've bought one not sure what ballpark I should
try to widdle em down to. Any help would be great.
Jeff
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1353.139 | | KDX200::COOPER | Step UP to the RACK ! | Fri Nov 15 1991 14:00 | 9 |
| Well, the 650 if I recall is the neck-thru, hum-single-single config
basic dinky-strat body guitar with sharkfin inlays (fret markers) -
Basically a model 6 with the new logo on the headstock.
Brand new with case should be $7-800 (ballpark). I don't have my Musicians
Friend catalog here, but a JACKSON Soloist Pro was $895 and I beleive they
are basically the same axe, cept the Charvels are made in Japan.
jc
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1353.140 | | RAVEN1::BLAIR | Need a hot tune and a cold one | Fri Nov 15 1991 14:38 | 2 |
|
Get a SURFCASTER!
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1353.141 | | KDX200::COOPER | Step UP to the RACK ! | Fri Nov 15 1991 15:15 | 8 |
| Hey ! What do you know about Charvels !! Go back to the Fender and Gibo
notes. :
*>SMACK!<*
:^)
Surfcaster, indeed.
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1353.142 | Thanks | WLDWST::EDWARDS | | Fri Nov 15 1991 15:17 | 6 |
| Great, Thanks for the feedback, I will try and get the best price. You
know how these guys are when selling, they try to buffalo you into some
price to make some money, I understand that they have to make money
but not to much at my expense. Thanks again !
Jeff
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1353.143 | Not quite the saem | GOES11::G_HOUSE | Tommy The Cat | Fri Nov 15 1991 16:19 | 10 |
| >Brand new with case should be $7-800 (ballpark). I don't have my Musicians
>Friend catalog here, but a JACKSON Soloist Pro was $895 and I beleive they
>are basically the same axe, cept the Charvels are made in Japan.
Not quite the same guitar, that Jackson model has a bolt on neck. Not
a down point in my book, just something to consider. The upside is
that you can get your choice of custom graphics on the Jackson (at no
extra charge, if I remember right).
Greg
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1353.144 | | KDX200::COOPER | Step UP to the RACK ! | Fri Nov 15 1991 17:07 | 7 |
| Thats not the Jackson i was thinking about. This was a neck-thru.
They only had one color - like RED - limited quantity. Seemed like
a nice deal. Soloist Deluxe was the model I think.
I always wanted a neck thru Soloist or Model 6.
jc
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1353.145 | Oops...my mistake | GOES11::G_HOUSE | Tommy The Cat | Sat Nov 16 1991 11:35 | 5 |
| Ah yes, right you are. Just checked my catalog and it was there.
The regular Soloist is about $1150 though...
gh
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1353.146 | nice acoustics | FRETZ::HEISER | I jam, therefore I am | Tue Nov 24 1992 09:04 | 8 |
| My teacher just bought one of those Charvel acoustic/electrics from
Musicians Friend. I couldn't believe how nice they are for the money!
Action and sound were great right out of the case, plugged in too.
If you want a Takamine type guitar, you might want to check them out.
He got the acoustic/electric cutaway w/case for $250.
Mike
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1353.147 | goodie! | NAVY5::SDANDREA | I AM, therefore I jam | Tue Nov 24 1992 09:15 | 7 |
| RE: Charvel Acoustic/Electrics
Finally a response! I guess I should have asked in this note...sheesh!
I've been looking at the single cutaway model that has the extra
frets....it sell for $359, I think......
Steve (never bought an axe from a catalog...gulp!)
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1353.148 | | KDX200::COOPER | I even use TONE soap !! | Tue Nov 24 1992 17:02 | 9 |
| Bulldawg,
If you buy a Charvel, I'll see to it that you are crucified by the members
of the Virginia chapter of MRP's !!
Take back everything you ever said - take it BACK, TAKE IT BACK !!
:^)
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1353.149 | no way! | NAVY5::SDANDREA | I AM, therefore I jam | Mon Nov 30 1992 08:22 | 8 |
|
>>Take back everything you ever said - take it BACK, TAKE IT BACK !!
I never said I didn't like Charvels.....I said I didn't like pointy
spear shaped headstocks....and I still don't! I might buy a Charvel
acoustic/electric, tho......! 8^)
dawgster
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1353.150 | | KDX200::COOPER | I even use TONE soap !! | Mon Nov 30 1992 09:45 | 3 |
| Eeeesh!
<insert pic of Coop smacking palm against forehead>
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1353.151 | don't self destruct on me! | NAVY5::SDANDREA | I AM, therefore I jam | Mon Nov 30 1992 10:47 | 7 |
| >> <insert pic of Coop smacking palm against forehead>
Don't smack it too hard! &^}
Steve ( I deny it all!)
PS.. how's CJ and Coopette?
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1353.152 | | GOES11::G_HOUSE | Big cheese, MAKE me! | Mon Nov 30 1992 12:49 | 15 |
| re: Mike
> My teacher just bought one of those Charvel acoustic/electrics from
> Musicians Friend. I couldn't believe how nice they are for the money!
> Action and sound were great right out of the case, plugged in too.
> If you want a Takamine type guitar, you might want to check them out.
>
> He got the acoustic/electric cutaway w/case for $250.
I take it he got the more plain one, not the one with the cool little
abalone soundhole inlays? That's the one that caught my eye. If I
didn't already have a decent acoustic (or if I was looking for
something for stage use), I'd probably consider one of those.
Greg
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1353.153 | oh boy, oh boy! | NAVY5::SDANDREA | Send lawyers, guns, and money! | Fri Dec 18 1992 08:33 | 11 |
| I have one in the mail to me (A Charvel Acoustic/Electric, that is).
My wife's Christmeas surprise to me! I'm getting the 625C single
cutaway, 3 band equalizer, "extended" fretboard (some extra frets on
the 1st 2 strings that extend into the sound hole), in cherry sunburst.
Including hardshell case for $359! I'm psyched and nervous....my first
acoustic/elec, but my first mail order guitar.......gnaaa!
Reports after Christmas!
Steve
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1353.154 | | TECRUS::ROST | I fret less these days | Fri Dec 18 1992 08:46 | 9 |
| I've seen a lot of pretty inexpensive acoustic/electrics lately, what's
the deal with these? They look pretty fancy for the price, and since
you can't get something for nothing...
Do they have solid tops? What the heck do they sound like? Maybe I'm
an old curmudgeon, but the name Charvel (or Kramer, or Peavey, etc.)
doesn't inspire confidence when buying a flattop...
Lefty Motorbox
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1353.155 | %^) | NWACES::HICKERNELL | I'll see it when I believe it. | Fri Dec 18 1992 08:57 | 3 |
| Yeah, but I'll bet they're good for speed metal folk songs!
Dave
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1353.156 | | USPMLO::DESROCHERS | | Fri Dec 18 1992 09:23 | 7 |
|
Mr C's has a natural one (2 weeks ago anyway). Didn't play
it though. Mr C's is in Marlboro, Ma.
I'm allergic to acoustic guitars...
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1353.157 | how is their budget line? | CSC32::J_KUHN | Kookaburra sits in the old gum tree | Mon Dec 28 1992 11:55 | 2 |
| How are their cheapie basses? I heard they put a little more quality
in their budget lines now.
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1353.158 | get one! | NAVY5::SDANDREA | Send lawyers, guns, and money! | Mon Jan 04 1993 07:41 | 9 |
| BTW,
my Charvel 625c acoustic/electric was under the tree Christmas morning
as expected.......incredible value! This is alot of axe for the bucks.
I got the cherry sunburst. It's got some real nice trim work around
the body and in the fret inlays. Nice low action, great tone, great
finish, and a super hardshell case! Great buy!
Steve 8^)
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1353.159 | Charvel Acoustic Update? | SSDEVO::LAMBERT | I made life easy just by laughing | Wed May 12 1993 16:03 | 6 |
| Hey Dawg,
Now that you've had the Shovel acoustic for a while do you still dig it?
(Get it? "Dig"? "Shovel"? Sorry, I've been coding on an Alpha all day...)
-- Sam (thinkin' of a "gig" guitar so's I can leave my Guild at home...)
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1353.160 | yepper! | WOLVER::SDANDREA | Kramer is my hero... | Thu May 13 1993 12:11 | 12 |
| Yeah Sam,
I gigged with it in February an have been using it "around the house"
as the all purpose axe to pick up and figure out some radio tune or do
the kid's fav Beatle tune, etc. I still feel it was a great value for
the bucks with a super case and a nice look/feel/tone. The only criticism
is the neck is narrower than my Les Paul and Strat's so there is an
adjustment period when I swap from elec to acoustic.
I like it!
dawg_unit
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1353.161 | "Name this Guitar!!" | NEST::CURRY | | Mon Apr 25 1994 11:33 | 15 |
| Ok, who can "name this Charvel?"
I've been told that it is called a "Fusion Deluxe", but since it isn't
marked anywhere on the guitar and most of the guys in the stores don't
have a clue, I thought I'd throw this in here to get your opinions:
It is a Strat style with 2 pickups, one Jackson humbucker at the bridge
and a single coil "rail" style pickup in the neck position. It also has
a maple neck with a maple fingerboard, Schaller locking trem and a
3 color "crackle" finish. It has only one knob and a 3 way pickup selector
switch.
Any ideas?
Mike
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1353.162 | >:*} | NAVY5::SDANDREA | Plonk, Roost, and Jam, what a country! | Mon Apr 25 1994 14:09 | 3 |
| If it has a pointy headstock, I have a name for it.............
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1353.163 | | KDX200::COOPER | There's a moon in the sky! | Sun May 01 1994 20:57 | 1 |
| It's exactly what you think it is - A Fusion Deluxe...
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1353.164 | | KDX200::COOPER | There's a moon in the sky! | Sun May 01 1994 20:59 | 2 |
| Oh, and if it's in good shape, I have a pal who might want to
purchase it. :-)
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1353.165 | Not 4 Sale | NEST::CURRY | | Tue May 03 1994 08:17 | 11 |
| re: .164
Thanks for the guitar ID, but I don't think I'll be selling this one.
I like it too much.....
Thanks again!
Mike
FWIW, I saw one of these in the latest Daddy's Junky Music flyer for
$289. Not sure of the condition,though. They had several of them,
priced from $289 to $499.......
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1353.166 | Hawaiian Koa | STRATA::LUCHT | Is it a passion or just a profession? | Fri Jun 09 1995 21:27 | 12 |
|
Anybody see the latest line of "San Dimas" guits by Charvel?
Saw a recent ad with the Alex Skolnick endorsement for one of
these. I'm liking the looks of these things - cool natural wood
they're using. I wonder how they sound/play? Price?
Remember the Charvel Model 1,2,3,...? I think Jake E. Lee is
still playing some variation of these...not sure though.
Kev --
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1353.167 | | OUTSRC::HEISER | Maranatha! | Fri Jun 09 1995 23:22 | 1 |
| San Dimas? Bill & Ted said they're "Excellent!"
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1353.168 | | STRATA::LUCHT | Is it a passion or just a profession? | Sat Jun 10 1995 01:44 | 8 |
|
RE: -1
I thought the same thing when I wrote that!
"...strange things are afoot at the Circle-K"
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1353.169 | | STRATA::LUCHT | Is it a passion or just a profession? | Thu Jun 15 1995 00:18 | 14 |
|
Looking at the latest 'Musicians Friend' catalog, it seems
these "San Dimas" guits go through the "model" stages like
those from the '80's. Here, they've got them in five
different models (I - V), with the more expensive units
towards the model V. I'll have to take a closer look at
the specs for each.
To correct myself: Jake E. Lee plays a signature ESP, not
a Charvel like I thought earlier on.
Kev --
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