Conference napalm::guitar

    
    	Would you care to explain the ADA-MP1 so that those who dont
    own one can at least understand what the programs are doing? I spose
    it'd be good for ADA too - they might sell a few more as a result!
    
    	JJ
    

    The MP-1 is a multiple preamp (hence MP [-1]) containing a solid state
    preamp, a parallel preamp (fender/marshall), and a series preamp
    (boogie, soldano stuff) in one unit.  These preamps are switchable via
    MIDI and feed into an active 4 band EQ, as well as a super (analog)
    stereo chorus unit.  The unit is fully programmable via MIDI, and
    offers mapping utilities as well.  This unit is too cool!!  I have been
    a Marshall fanatic for years, and played boogies, and I can get a
    similar sound to a Marshall, a Boogie, a Jazz Chorus, a Rockman
    (clean), an Fender twin, a music man, etc etc. 
    
    The MP-1 is part of a complete guitar system designed and marketed by
    ADA.  The other components in the system are:
    
    o MIDI controller foot unit which runs the 128 programs from the floor.
    o MIDIable stereo graphic eq eith 15 bands/side and 99 total programs
    o MIDIable harmonizer
    o Bipolar 100wpc solid state power amplifier
    o all tube power amp
    o Custom 2x12 cabinets housing Celestion speakers
    
    Its a great system.  I have bits n pieces of it, but eventually will
    have the whole thing (minus the harmonizer...i like the IPS-33
    better!).
    
    Buck 
    
     

    
    The following is a competitive price quote from a local dealer.
    
    MP-1 Preamp		$568.
    MC-1 Controller	$158.
    B200S SS power amp  $368.
    2x12 cab w/celest.  $368.
    
    Buck
    

    Is it quiet?
    
    I've got to buy something for use in my studio and am leaning 
    towards the GK250ML. (I really like the sound of that unit.)
    But the GK is reputed to be a bit noisy...
    
    Power-amp and cab aren't an issue to me, neither is the MIDI
    controller. (I can generate patch changes from half a dozen sources.)
    
    Does William J. recommend this unit for studio work?
    
    Edd

    
    RE: noise.  There is a slight hum that emits from the tubes of the
    unit...you can hear it when it powers up.  I wouldn't say the unit is
    `noisy' in the sense of the word.  The GK does have a nice processed
    sound...having owned the GK250ML/RL, and the ADA, I like the ADA tons
    better than the GK.  Why? 
    
    Flexility:  With your choice of three preamps, active EQ, and stereo
    chorus, and 128 programs...the sound possibilites are endless!!
    ADA even throws in 1 software update free!
    
    Sound:  The GK offers you 4 sounds...clean and edgy from channel 1, and
    more edge and distortion from channel 2.  The sound is good for that
    highly compressed, midrangy tom scholtz guitar sound.  The ADA sounds
    the most like a vintage fender tube amp...sweet, warm distortion thats
    pleasant to the ears.  The solid state section is great too.  Sound for
    sound, the ADA does clean, edge, and distortion better than the GK
    does. 
    
    Go to whurlys and try em out side by side...that'll be the true test.
    I know people who went out and bought the GK 2001 clp rack mount
    preamp, and heard my ADA, and bummed out in a big way.
    
    Also, as an FYI...the hot new guitar system that is popping up all over
    the scene is an MP-1, a Quadraverb, and an IPS-33.  Every guitarist I
    have met in the last two months owns this setup! 
    
    Buck
    
    

    Well, I finnaly got aorund to editing my MP-1 and finding out just
    exactly what my fav settings were...so here they are:
    
    "Eddie Van Halen"
    Over    Over    Master  
    Drive 1 Drive 2 Gain  Bass Mid Treble Pres. Loop Depth Rate Voice MIDI
     10      10      10    9    12  16     12    out  0     0    Dist on
    
    "Marshall crunch"
    Over    Over    Master  
    Drive 1 Drive 2 Gain  Bass Mid Treble Pres. Loop Depth Rate Voice MIDI
     9.5     8       6     9    10  9      12    out  0     0    Dist on
    
    "Atypical metal lead tone ala Poison or Warrent"
    Over    Over    Master  
    Drive 1 Drive 2 Gain  Bass Mid Treble Pres. Loop Depth Rate Voice MIDI
     10      10      8     6    6   9      12    out  0     0    Dist on
    
    "Nuno Bettencourt sound"
    Over    Over    Master  
    Drive 1 Drive 2 Gain  Bass Mid Treble Pres. Loop Depth Rate Voice MIDI
     10      10      7     4    12  6      10    out  0     0    Dist on
    
    "Edgy fuzz ala Woodstock era"
    Over    Over    Master  
    Drive 1 Drive 2 Gain  Bass Mid Treble Pres. Loop Depth Rate Voice MIDI
     5       5       7     6    4   12     4     out  0     0    Dist off
    
    "Clean ala Jerry from the dead"
    Over    Over    Master  
    Drive 1 Drive 2 Gain  Bass Mid Treble Pres. Loop Depth Rate Voice MIDI
     4.4     5       7.5   6    6   9      8     out  0     0    Clean off
    
    "Clean ala Lou Reed"
    Over    Over    Master  
    Drive 1 Drive 2 Gain  Bass Mid Treble Pres. Loop Depth Rate Voice MIDI
     8       4.8     6.5   6    4   12     12    out  0     0    Clean off

>    < Note 1265.8 by MARKER::BUCKLEY "I wish it was summertime all year!" >
>    "Eddie Van Halen"
>    Over    Over    Master  
>    Drive 1 Drive 2 Gain  Bass Mid Treble Pres. Loop Depth Rate Voice MIDI
>     10      10      10    9    12  16     12    out  0     0    Dist on
>    
>    "Edgy fuzz ala Woodstock era"
>    Over    Over    Master  
>    Drive 1 Drive 2 Gain  Bass Mid Treble Pres. Loop Depth Rate Voice MIDI
>     5       5       7     6    4   12     4     out  0     0    Dist off

    Buck, I'm not sure I understand why the MIDI would make a difference
    in the effects you created.  Isn't it just for communications? 
    Does it insure that the sounds aren't modified by any of your other
    units?
    
    Also, would I be correct in assuming that having an SGE and the
    MP-1 create too much duplication?  Besides the IPS33 and a digital
    delay, what else would you need to have the MP-1 rack system duplicate 
    everything that the SGE offers?
    
    Thanks,
    Mike

    Well Mike,
    
    >Buck, I'm not sure I understand why the MIDI would make a difference
    >in the effects you created.  Isn't it just for communications? 
    
    Yeah, it IS just for communications.  That was just the way the
    programs were set up by moi.
    
    >Does it insure that the sounds aren't modified by any of your other
    >units?
    
    Basically, yeah.
    
    >Also, would I be correct in assuming that having an SGE and the
    >MP-1 create too much duplication?  Besides the IPS33 and a digital
    >delay, what else would you need to have the MP-1 rack system duplicate 
    >everything that the SGE offers?

    Hmmm, well, I guess to "duplicate" the abilities of thf SGE, you
    would need an:
    
    - Aural exiciter (BBE recommended)
    - harmonizer (IPS is better than that offered by the SGE unit)
    - digital unit that does stereo effects (delays, chorus, flanging)
    
    I guess thats about it.
    Since the MP-1 is reading MIDI info from the MC-1 foot controller,
    you can set up programs in the MP-1 to vary MIDI information.  So,
    each program created can either be transmitting or not transmitting
    

    I just received the ADA newsletter/pricelist in the mail.  Included
    are a few MP1 settings from Paul Gilbert and Vernon Reid.  See below:

    Paul Gilbert - "I can't remember exactly, because I've had my MP1
    set up for so long, but here goes.  Basically, I like a nice flat
    EQ section.  I love the distortion!"
        
    Over    Over    Master  
    Drive 1 Drive 2 Gain  Bass Mid Treble Pres. Loop Depth Rate Voice MIDI
     7        7      8     2    0    -2     2          off  off  Dist n/a

    Vernon Reid - "These tones were in the song 'Broken Hearts'.  First
    patch is a clean compressed sound, with a DSP128 run in the effects
    loop.  Second is the solo tone."    
    
    Over    Over    Master  
    Drive 1 Drive 2 Gain  Bass Mid Treble Pres. Loop Depth Rate Voice MIDI
     3.4      7.5   7.5    6    8    0     12          3    .1   Dist  n/a    
    
    Over    Over    Master  
    Drive 1 Drive 2 Gain  Bass Mid Treble Pres. Loop Depth Rate Voice MIDI
      6       1      9     6    2    6     12          0    0    S.S.  n/a

    The ADA newletter also had a couple block diagrams of a typical
    setup.  Both have the MP1 front-ending 2 MIDI effect units feeding
    a power amp and straight out to the speakers.
    
    In diagram 1, the MC1 MIDI foot switch feeds the MP1.  In diagram
    2, the MC1 is replaced with a MAC/PC.
    
    Mike

    RE: .11/Mike
    
    Thanks alot for that posting!  Went home and added the Gilbert and Reed
    settings to my Mp-1.  The Vernon Reed lead tone setting is the best!!!
    I added a bit more gain to mine (like 4, 8, 8) and it screams!  The
    Gilbert one was ok, but it was too flatfor my ears.  I boosted the pres
    from 2 to 6 and it sounds much better! 
    
    Buck

    No problem Buck, I just edited the parameters you entered earlier
    with their values.
    
    You might want to get the ADA Trends newsletter on a regular basis.
    The "Patches from the Pros" section is a regular feature.
    
    Who is Vernon Reed anyway?
    
    Mike

>    Who is Vernon Reed anyway?

Vernon is the guitarist for Living Colour, a NYC group that is very hot at the 
moment. They are going to be opening for the Stones on the upcoming tour. I 
(and many others) highly recommend the album!

Alan S.

    Mike, 
    
    Do you get the ADA Trends Newsletter on a reg. basis??  If so, could
    you post all the other Patches from the Pros?  I mean, the MP-1 is SO
    versitile, its neat to see what people have found in there that sounds
    cool!
    
    Tanks 

    Buck,
    
    I just called them for a catalog last week.  I guess it is their
    catalog since it has product info too.  It is only published 4 times
    a year.  If they send more I'll post the patches.
    
    I figured that ADA owners would get it automatically.
    
    Mike

    How might one acquire such a publication?  (Call for a catalog?)
    
    Greg (new Mp-1 owner)

>    How might one acquire such a publication?  (Call for a catalog?)

One's already in your package, Greg, so don't worry aobut it (if I remeber to 
send it...8^)  ). Other than that, I can't answer your question.

Alan S.

    Alan, I'm curious as to why you sold your MP1.  Were you unsatisfied
    with it?  Care to state why?
    
    Mike

>    Alan, I'm curious as to why you sold your MP1.  Were you unsatisfied
>    with it?  Care to state why?

Well, I never owned one! Greg lives in Colorado, and the unit was being 
sold by someone in my building. So I bought it for Greg, checked itout, packed 
it up, and send it on its way.

I believe that Les (the guy who sold it) did so strictly for financial 
reasons, not because he was unhappy with it.

And I gotta say - after playing with it all weekend, I almost didn't send it 
out - I was *very* impressed! Gotta keep my eyes open for another deal like 
that...

Alan S.

    re: .20  Ha!  Funny guy, Coop
    
    re: Mike
    
    Check the "For Sale" note for the ad Les posted for the MP-1...
    
    Greg (NOT in SC)

    Hmmm.  I can remember reading GP to find out what gear someone used to
    get their sound.  You know, Carlos Santana saying that he used x amp
    with x guitar and x effects.  It was then up to the readers to go buy
    all of that stuff to sound just like Carlos.
    
    With the MP1, I can imagine a time when Santana's, or anyone else's,
    MP1 settings are a documented factory patch.  Select x patch and you
    sound like Carlos.  Select the next patch and you either sound like
    Neil Young or think that the MP1 is broken. 8-) 
    
    Buy one or two pricey items and no more new equipment is necessary.
    
    Did anyone tell the music stores about this?  8-)
    
    Kevin
                                    

    Gee...I'm really disappointed!
    
    I bought a Hiwatt and I don't sound like Pete Townsend...
    
    I bought a Fender and I don't sound like B.B. King...
    
    I played through a Marshall and I didn't sound like Hendrix...
    
    I played a PRS *AND* a Yamaha guitar and I didn't sound like Santana...
    
    I must have been ripped off.  ;^)
    
    Greg
    
    BTW:  Quit that pouting, Coop!  Ya don't see me with a new Metaltronix
    SP1000, now DO ya?  8^)

    >BTW:  Quit that pouting, Coop!  Ya don't see me with a new Metaltronix
    >SP1000, now DO ya?  8^)

    Not yet!!  :^)
    
    PS - Only $440.00 at Caruso's music in Connect-the-dots.
    
    

    Re: Greg
    
    I thought with those SGE presets you could so like anyone you want
    with a push of a button?!?! :-)
    
    Mike

	re: Greg

	How do you expect to sound like B.B. King playing a Fender??
	He uses Gibson ES335's/ES345's/ES355's !!! See, there's the problem,
	you need to buy another guitar, not a processor. (Of course, you'll
	still sound like yourself no matter what guitar you play, I have
	the same difficulty when I swap guitars, I keep making the same
	stupid mistakes).

	I'll have to come over & hear this processor, It sounds like it's
	pretty slick.
							Jens
	

    re: -1
    
    I think he meant playing a Fender amp to sound like BB, as he's used
    Fender Twins almost faithfully throughout his career (except when he
    had that bogus LABseries endorsement...bleck!). 

	But....

	I've jammed with Greg before & He's got a Hi-watt & a Crate
	amp. Both sound fine. I have a Fender Amp, but I don't think
	he does.

								Jens

    re: Jens
    
    Of course I don't have a Fender amp...I didn't sound like BB King when
    I played through one!
    
    Greg 

    Hey Buck?                                                        
    
    I tried your settings from .8 and, while they sounded great, I noticed
    that the "clipping" lights for the EQ and MasterGain were on almost
    constantly when using them.
    
    Do you get this too?  Will it hurt the MP-1?
    
    Greg
    
    BTW, I got a really nice blues (like Muddy or SRV sometimes) sound out
    of it that I'll post here whenever I remember to write it down.  

    I read in the MP-1 manual about "when the red clipping lights go
    on, reduce gain, and or eq parameters to rid unwanted distortion"
    
    I don't know if it hurts the unit...I don't even worry about it...if
    it sounds good, WTF.  My Metaltronix M-1000 patch makes 3 red lights
    go on, but its the sound I want, so....
    
    Maybe a call to ADA is in order?

    >My Metaltronix M-1000 patch makes 3 red lights go on, but its the
    >sound I want, so....
    
    Any chance you'd want to share this one?  :-)
    
    >Maybe a call to ADA is in order?
    
    Yeah, probably worth the time in peace of mine (for me anyway).
    
    Greg

    OK, hopefully I'll be the proud owner of an MP-1 shortly, so you
    guys need to post some more patches !  Also, are the factory presets
    worth anything, or are they like most factory jobs that overkill
    everything ?
    
    
    				Scary

I have two of these patches... One with the master volume up a bit for 
leads, and also sends a patch change to the DSP128 (Standard 
Algorhythm 5 I think... Reverse delayed and all that ?  Sounds killer).

Note that the presence is cranked, and the treble is down.  VERY Metal !
Also, remove the chorus for that Metallica/Boogie sound.  


Preset Title:		Coops Metal Lead

Voice:  Distorted Tube
								   Chorus
OD1	OD2	Master	Bass	Mid	Treble	Presence	Depth	Range
---	---	------	----	---	------	--------	-----	-----
10	9	8.5	9	2	-6	12		60	.1

    
Hope you like it !

    Personally I like the presets, but haven't used them too much.  They're
    very useable.
    
    Greg

YEah, the presets are okay...But the one they call a "Overdriven Marshall"
is a joke IMHO...  Sounds more like an Overdriven Marshall playing thru 
a beer can...

If you want overdriven Marshall on steroids, try the preset I put in -2.
Scary will attest to it's nasty-nasty sound.

jc

While I was waiting to be helped at a store recently, I sighted the new ADA 
rag and skimmed through it.  I noticed something in there about some way to 
get something (from ADA) that had over 100 MP-1 presets in it from some of 
the LA studio heavys.  Said these sounds were used on recent albums by 
several major rock bands (Skidrow was one, I don't remember the others).

(before you ask, I don't know how to get it.  Should have kept the magazine..
 Call ADA it was one of their publications)

Anyone out there besides Jeff Cooper and I still have an MP-1?

Greg

I have the magazine.

I swiped it from the local music store, and thought I'd call up ADA and 
put us both on the distribution.  I'll post some of the presets...

Greg, I still owe you my "Semi-Clean Fender Twin" preset.  I haven't forgotten,
I'm just lazy...Plus I got a new "Screamin' Marshall" preset I'll post.
This you HAVE to hear...Right Scary ?  It's the perfect metal preset. ;)

jc

>I swiped it from the local music store, and thought I'd call up ADA and 
>put us both on the distribution.  I'll post some of the presets...

Please do (both)!  I'd love to be on their distribution.

Greg

    You gots it Greg.
    
    I'll try to bring it in tomorrow and post some stuff.
    
    jc

Greg, as promised, here are my presets.

You said you were looking for a CLEAN but BALLZY sound.
Try out my Stevie Rave-On sound (PRESET 2).

Note:

With 'Clean Tube'  selected, you have to back WAY off the compressor
(OD2) if you want a dynamic sound (read: ballzy).  On the Solid State
Voice, OD1 is the compressor.  Try it and lemme know what you think !




Coop's Classic Rock Preset 
(Sounds like Bad Co, with a GOOD distortion box)

Voice:  Clean Tube
								   Chorus
OD1	OD2	Master	Bass	Mid	Treble	Presence	Depth	Range
---	---	------	----	---	------	--------	-----	-----
5.5	9.0	7.5	9	2	-2	12    		62	.1



Coop's Stevie Rave-On Sound
(This is that Ballzy Twin Sound)
Voice:  Clean Tube
								   Chorus
OD1	OD2	Master	Bass	Mid	Treble	Presence	Depth	Range
---	---	------	----	---	------	--------	-----	-----
10	1.6	10	16	10	6	10		0	0



Coop's Yngwie Malmsteen/Hyper-Marshall
(Sounds like a Marshall on Steroids)
Voice:  Distorted Tube
								   Chorus
OD1	OD2	Master	Bass	Mid	Treble	Presence	Depth	Range
---	---	------	----	---	------	--------	-----	-----
4.4	4.4	9	9	2	-9	12		100	.1


Coop's AC/DC sound
(You like worn out tubes in a Marshall driven by a Gibson?)
Voice:  Distorted Tube
								   Chorus
OD1	OD2	Master	Bass	Mid	Treble	Presence	Depth	Range
---	---	------	----	---	------	--------	-----	-----
7.0	7.0	9	9	-2	-2	8		2	.4

Coop's Clean and Compressed
Voice:  Solid State
				 				   Chorus
OD1	OD2	Master	Bass	Mid	Treble	Presence	Depth	Range
---	---	------	----	---	------	--------	-----	-----
3.0	10	10	6	0	6	6 		100	.1


I'll have more for you soon...(The ones from ADA)

jc

    Here's a setting a friend was using that sounded great!
    
    Voice:  Clean Tube
								   Chorus
OD1	OD2	Master	Bass	Mid	Treble	Presence	Depth	Range
---	---	------	----	---	------	--------	-----	-----
2.4	8.0	10	4	-6	6	12			
    
    Sounded great to me!
    
    B.
    

    Is there anybody out there that uses the MP1 in MIDI.
    
          I'm having some trouble understanding how to set
          up my rack MIDI style .
       
                      I have the following,,,,,,,,
    
        ADA-MC1->ADA-MP1->ART-SGE .           If there is anyone that
                                         could shed some light on this
                                       it would be greatly appreciated.
    
                                                   mArK

>    Is there anybody out there that uses the MP1 in MIDI.

I do.
    
>        ADA-MC1->ADA-MP1->ART-SGE .           

I have the exact same setup.  I have mine set up like this:

MC-1 -> MP-1  (to MIDI in)
MP-1 -> SGE   (MIDI thru - MIDI in)

I have all the pieces in my MIDI setup on MIDI channel 14 because I used 
to receive program changes from keyboard gear.  Omni mode will receive 
changes on any channel.  I believe that all this equipment comes in omni
mode by default.

Since the MP-1 has less available presets, I chose to set the MIDI map on
the effects I'm using in the SGE to map to the program numbers in the MP-1
that I use.

An example:  I press 51 on the MC-1 and this changes the MP-1 to patch 51.
I have set up the MIDI map in the SGE to select preset 143 when it receives
a patch change request for 51, so it changes to 143.  This is done in the 
MIDI utilities section of the SGE.  It comes preinitialized so that it will
map the MIDI patch request to the same number (actually it works out to be 
the next number since the patches are 1 ordinance and the patch change 
requests are 0 ordinance, or something like that).

Basically to get the combination of efx and preamp sound you want you 
either have to program the same patch numbers on both of the units, or use
the MIDI mapping in one or the other to redirect it to a different patch
number when you send a program change from the MC-1.  

The MIDI maps on both the MP-1 and the SGE are pretty easy to change, so
the choice is yours. I chose to change the SGE because I tended to use the
same efx combinations with different preamp sounds, so it was easier for me
to set up.  If you tend to use a lot of different efx with the same basic
preamp sound, then perhaps setting the MIDI map in the MP-1 would be better
for you. 

One thing I found was that I had to use the MIDI map in the SGE to access 
preset numbers higher then 128, since this is the highest program number 
the MC-1 will send (and the highest number available in the MP-1).  I like 
to use the low numbers (where the factory presets, that I don't use, are in
the SGE if you don't modify them) and set the SGEs midi map to access
higher numbers (like 180) that the MC-1 can't access directly.

What kind of problems are you having?  If you want to talk specifics feel 
free to drop me a mail message (COOKIE::G_HOUSE) or give me a call (DTN 
523-2722).

Greg

    
    Last night I upgraded my Mp1 to "Release 2" of the Mp1 software.
    The upgrade included some new "Dictionary" commands, a SYSEX dump
    facility to allow dumps to PC's with MIDI interface and sequence
    interfacing.  I'll be playing around with some sequenced stuff
    as soon as my new PC arrives, and I get a MIDI card for it.
    
    Since I'll be doing some recording with it, and my MIDI drum machine
    I hope to be dickering in real time QUICK! 
    
    Also in the upgrade chip are 69 new presets.  I went thru these and
    picked out some KILLERS !  These presets are WAY better than anything
    I've been able to edit.  
    
    Greg, since you've been bummin' about your sound lately, I might
    try convincing you to take these home and plug 'em into your Mp1
    pronto... Maybe you should take the afternoon off.  ;)
    
    Seriously though, I put in two "crunch" presets I think you'll
    like.  Try 'em !  You'll like it.  Also, there is one at the end that
    sounds SO much like a Marshall 50wt half stack, if you closed your
    eyes you'd think thats what you were playing thru.
    
    jc (Whos' Kitty is on the back shelf for a while now)
    
First, some clean ones: (3) 

Voice:  Clean Tube
								   Chorus
OD1	OD2	Master	Bass	Mid	Treble	Presence	Depth	Range
---	---	------	----	---	------	--------	-----	-----
3.6     3.6 	10	2	-2	10	0	        0	0

Voice:  Clean Tube
								   Chorus
OD1	OD2	Master	Bass	Mid	Treble	Presence	Depth	Range
---	---	------	----	---	------	--------	-----	-----
3.6     3.6 	10	4	-2	2	0	        0	0

Voice:  Clean Tube
								   Chorus
OD1	OD2	Master	Bass	Mid	Treble	Presence	Depth	Range
---	---	------	----	---	------	--------	-----	-----
3.6     3.6 	10	2	4	6	2	        40	.4



Two Crunchy Grinders - Mega Dynamics!

Voice:  Clean Tube
								   Chorus
OD1	OD2	Master	Bass	Mid	Treble	Presence	Depth	Range
---	---	------	----	---	------	--------	-----	-----
10	10	6	2	-8	9	6		100	0

Voice:  Clean Tube
								   Chorus
OD1	OD2	Master	Bass	Mid	Treble	Presence	Depth	Range
---	---	------	----	---	------	--------	-----	-----
4.2	4.2	7	9	-8	2	12		100	.1



Last but not least, some screamin' Metal Tones:

Voice:  Dist. Tube
(Sounds like a WICKED Marshall)		         		   Chorus
OD1	OD2	Master	Bass	Mid	Treble	Presence	Depth	Range
---	---	------	----	---	------	--------	-----	-----
4.6	4.4	6.5	4	-4	-9	6		0	0

Voice:  Dist. Tube
(This sounds great with my strat)				   Chorus
OD1	OD2	Master	Bass	Mid	Treble	Presence	Depth	Range
---	---	------	----	---	------	--------	-----	-----
6.5	6.5	5.5	2	-10	-4	6		0	0

Voice:  Dist. Tube
								   Chorus
OD1	OD2	Master	Bass	Mid	Treble	Presence	Depth	Range
---	---	------	----	---	------	--------	-----	-----
4.6	4.4	6.5	4	-4	-12	10		0	0

		"Trademark" and "Forty Mile Town" by Eric Johnson

OK kids ... if you wanna have the "master's" tone (Eric Johnson), here's 
his clean sound.  I know this is the MP-1 note, but ya gotta have a DSP-128+
also ... played on a strat (position 2) ...

Over	Over	Master
Drive1	Drive2	Gain  Bass  Mid  Treble	 Pres.  Loop  Depth  Rate  Voice  Midi

 5.0     2.8     9.5    9    4     12     10     out    0     0    Clean  all 

   
Now, set you DSP-128+ like this ...

A 1
LP 20
RL 2
RD 4.0
DL 4
D .300
F 20
CL 8
CD 60
SP 21
DE 45


Oh yeah, don't plan on sleeping on your stomach for a while ...  8^)  Mercy ...


Scary (goin' campin' ...)

Hi Scary !

Could you also provide the DSP setting in a more generic way so that I could
apply it to my SPX900 ? 

	thanks

		Richard

    OK, here's a semi-educated guess as to what the settings meant on the
    DSP, for getting the Eric Johnson clean tone ... good luck !!!  By the
    way, the algorithm used is one for large room reverb, delay, chorus,
    and EQ.
    
    Scary ...
    
Over	Over	Master
Drive1	Drive2	Gain  Bass  Mid  Treble	 Pres.  Loop  Depth  Rate  Voice  Midi

 5.0     2.8     9.5    9    4     12     10     out    0     0    Clean  all 

   
Now, set you DSP-128+ like this ...

A 1	(Algorithm 1)
LP 20	(Low-pass filter, 20K hz)
RL 2	(Reverb Level)
RD 4.0	(Reverb Decay)
DL 4	(Delay Level)
D .300	(Delay Time)
F 20	(Delay Feedback)
CL 8	(Chorus Level)
CD 60	(Chorus Depth)
SP 21	(Chorus Speed)
DE 45	(Chorus pre-delay, I think ...)

Scope this out !!

Anyone want my Plexi-Patch ??

Guaranteed (gawd I gotta learn to spell :) to fool all but the most
sharp ear into thinking their plugged into Angus Youngs rig with 
a Gibo, or some some lucky devils ancient Marshall plexi.  It's even 
got that flanged_soundin'_brown_howl.

I'm right proud of it...  I'll post it tomorrow.

jc (Who remembered the DSP patch info for Kev, but forgot the Mp1 stuff!)

    OOOOOOOOOH Coop......I gotta have that one. Post it..post it.....
    
    BK

    When I had my ada, I copied the sound of a certain noter in here who
    owns (1) UltraCool Marshall top (you know who you are!).  You can come
    perdy darn close, but I stilled liked his amp better.

Yeah, well ya can't expect a preamp to come more than "pretty darn close"
to a plexi-top, a twin, a boogie, a rockman, M1000 etel...

The trick to the Mp1 is to SATY AWAY from SS.  Clean Tube is quite flexable and
dynamic.  SS is good for those HUUUGGGEEEE "purty chords", but thats about
it imho.  I be postin in at lunch.

jc

    Hey Buck, I assume you're referring to moi.  Buck and I fiddled around
    one day to get his MP1 to sound like my old Marshall top; the results
    were good, as I recall.  Believe it or not, that Marshall makes a
    hellacious bass amp too.

    Yes Rick, twas you in reference!!
    
    Buck, who loves Rick's M-word amp!

It'd be intersting to compare ...

jc

Here it is, as promised:

Disclaimer - in my rig, I run a Hush IICX which is noise reduction with
a gate.  It tends to clip the top of the signal off, so this may seem
really bright to those of y'all who don't have a NR unit. (Something
the Mp1 really needs :).  Also, I run the master output really low so my 
power amp is doing more work...You may need to bump the master up some also.


Coops PlexiMarshall
    
Over	Over	Master
Drive1	Drive2	Gain  Bass  Mid  Treble	 Pres.  Loop  Depth  Rate   Voice  

 10.0    3.6     2.5    16    12     6     10     out    0     0    Clean 
								    Tube  	

    -1
    
    Gee Coop, I thought for sure you would have had the Chorus on for
    that Plexi setting!!

:)

While I love the MP1's chorus, it really just didn't fit with that 
voice.  :)

Now I *might* add a touch of verb from the 128...

:)

>                        -< Check it out  - MIDRANGE ! >-
    
    Yeah!  I was just fixing to marvel that there was a patch in Coop's
    Mp-1 with the Midrange set above 0!
    
    gh

Shout over the wall to Steve J.  He's hear the preset.  He said 
"thats pretty close man!".  I took it as a complement. 

Hi Steve.
:)

    
    I'm interested in an MP1 for its distortion capabilities. Are they still 
    good units by 'todays' standards. Are they still being used ?
    
    How could I use it in conjunction with my JCM 800 head ? Surley,
    wouldn't two preamp stages totally 'fuzz out' the sound or is it
    possible, or even worth, having a preamp bypass fitted to my 
    Marshall ?
    
    Are the effects good enough in their own right - or do they sound best
    used together with other processors (like my GSP).
    
    Coop - I think you understand the tone I'm looking for - would an MP1
    be a step in the right direction ?
    
    Thanks for any help.
    -Tony

>    Coop - I think you understand the tone I'm looking for - would an MP1
>    be a step in the right direction ?
    
    If you're looking to sound like a giant mosquito, then the Mp-1 is the
    preamp for YOU!
    
    ;^)

    Serious guys,
    
    I'm in a serious tone hole here. My overall tone isn't too bad, its
    just SO inconsistant. I have to do something about it or I'm in sheet.
    
    -Tone-y

    
    Well,
    
    I spoke to my repair guy and he said he'd fit a preamp bypass + jack 
    for only �12!! It will give me the functionality of the Marshall and
    the versitility of the MP1. He did offer to build me a basic but very
    effective power amp (150 watt stereo) for a mere �100 + labour (about
    �150 which he has built before for use with MP1's and he says the tone 
    SMOKES (if used in conjunction with a noise gate).
    
    Now to try the MP1 myself before he carves it up though.
    -Tony

Tone,

I think the Mp1 is still a very viable choice, if your lookin' for "that 
sound".  "Everybody" has one in their rigs, and I hear them all over albums
that have been release recently.

I guess I'd run my Mp1 into the FX return of your Marhshall, unless it
doesn't have one - then I'd guess thats what your repair dood is gonna
do for ya.

BUT - IMHO, if you want the Mp1 to sound it's best, split your 4x12 into
stereo (or flip the switch or whatever), and get yourself a stereo power
amp.

I've heard a lot of other peoples Mp1s - and I think most of their rigs
were shite... and they get pissed off at the Mp1 cuz they didn't want to 
spend the $$$ to implement them right (correctly).  

The Mp1 is a high dollar stereo tube preamp with MIDI implementation.
You know what they say about "You systems only as good as your weakest 
link" ?  Well - there you have it.  A good cab, and a good power amp is
a great start !!!

jc (who's had weak links in his system before...)

PS - naturally, this is all IMHO.