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Conference napalm::guitar

Title:GUITARnotes - Where Every Note has Emotion
Notice:Discussion of the finer stringed instruments
Moderator:KDX200::COOPER
Created:Thu Aug 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3280
Total number of notes:61432

1220.0. "Help Walkman To Fender Amp..." by DNEAST::GREVE_STEVE (If all else fails, take a nap...) Mon Mar 20 1989 15:15

    
    
    	Umm.... could anyone help me convert the line level signal from
    my walkman to a low-level signal that could be run through my guitar
    amp???  I'd like to use the walkman for practicing so that I could
    return my kid's boom-box (kid's are soooo picky), but the signals
    aren't compatible and I don't want to do anything nasty to my amp.
    
    
Steve    
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1220.1One way...ELESYS::JASNIEWSKIjust a revolutionary with a pseudonymTue Mar 21 1989 07:2232
    
    	First of all, you're not going to ruin your amp by putting
    a line level into the input. Plugging the *AC* line into the input
    of your amp might do the job, but the levels of the walkman will
    not. It may sound distorted, however, as the level *is* considerably
    higher than that from a guitar. You need about a 10:1 reduction, 
    which can be accomplished with a resistor divider network containing 
    2 resistors. If you want to "mix" the stereo outputs of the walkman 
    together for a single mono signal, you'll need three resistors.
    
    	Without going into the details of the physical construction,
    I would get the appropriate parts plus two 47K ohm resistors and
    one 4.7K ohm. This will load the line outs to about 50K ohms, which
    is an easy load for the walkman to drive. If you use a metal box,
    the "ground" or "shield" of the cabling will all be common - this
    is what I'd recommend.
    
    	Left out <---------/\/\/\/\--------
                                          |-----/\/\/\/\------->"ground".
    	Right out <--------/\/\/\/\--------       4.7K
    			      47K (Both)  |
    					  |
    					  |
    					  ^
    					Guitar amp.
    
    	The "schematic" of the line level reducer looks like this. The
    output to the guitar amp is taken from the junction of all three
    resistors. The 4.7K resistor *must* connect to ground for this to
    work. Good Luck with your project!
    
    	Joe Jas                                 
1220.2PNO::HEISERArizona: The Battle for SeattleTue Mar 21 1989 11:339
    Going the other way...
    
    How about an adaptor to connect �" jack from the guitar to separate
    Left and Right connectors to plug into a pre-amp on a home stereo?
    
    I don't have a guitar amp but would like to play a guitar through
    my home system.
    
    Mike
1220.3Simple!VIDEO::TASSINARIBobTue Mar 21 1989 12:012
    
     Radio Shack lists a 1/4" to RCA phono adapter.
1220.4this aint the answeer your lookin fer, butDARTS::PELKEYIf my ancestors could see me now!Tue Mar 21 1989 12:1010
    Orrrr, better yet..
    
    search the want adds and by urself a second hand Rockman, and use
    *that* with your walkman, and into headphones....
    
    Indispensible for learning songs in my book...
    
    Probably get away cheap if you look hard enuff..
    
    
1220.5Take It EasyAQUA::ROSTDWI,favorite pastime of the average guyTue Mar 21 1989 12:5110
    
    Re: .2
    
    It's been said before, but I'll say it again....Use caution when
    playing guitar through stereo systems.  In particular be careful
    to avoid boosting the bass.  Home speakers are not as rugged as
    guitar amp speakers and can be blown easily.  When in doubt, keep
    the volume down or use headphones.
    
    
1220.6It Works!! (voice filled with wonderment...)DNEAST::GREVE_STEVEIf all else fails, take a nap...Mon Mar 27 1989 11:0814
    
    
    	RE: .1, thanks again... built this patch cable this weekend
    and it works fine (BTW, there is plenty of room inside a 1/4" phone
    jack for the 4.7k... I wired it across the leads inside the jack).
     The only change I'd make (if I could) would be to create a little
    more volume for the cassette.  It used to distort no matter what
    level it was at (without the divider)... now I wish it were just
    a skosh higher....  Don't tell me the answer though, cos this little
    item is one more (GOOD?) reason for me to buy that Princeton Chorus
    that I truly need... <grin>..
    
    
    Steve
1220.8I Had To Say ItAQUA::ROSTDWI,favorite pastime of the average guyMon Mar 27 1989 11:477
    Re: .6
    
    Use a smaller resistor value to get more volume.  Replace the 47Ks
    with a 22K or 33K, for instance.


1220.9How about the other resistor??DNEAST::GREVE_STEVEIf all else fails, take a nap...Mon Mar 27 1989 14:245
    
    
    	And leave the 4.7k going to ground??
    
    U gotta take us dummies by the hand <grin>
1220.10Some Simple Math To ExplainAQUA::ROSTDWI,favorite pastime of the average guyMon Mar 27 1989 16:5224
    
    Yes, you just replace the two 47K ohm resistors in the original circuit
    with lower valued ones (like 22K).  What we have here is a resistive
    divider. 
    
    You have the signal going through a 47K ohm resistor then a 4.7K
    ohm resistor to ground.  By the principle of superposition, we can
    consider each channel (left and right) as totally independent.
    
    Ohm's law says V=IR, and in a series connection the current I is
    constant. Since the 47K ohm resistor is ten times the 4.7K, you get
    1/11 of the original signal passed into the amp: 
    
    V(walkman) = (47,000 X I1) + (4700 X I1)

    where V(amp) equals 4700 X I1.
    
    Now, if we switch to 22K ohms, we get about 1/5 of the original signal
    passed to the amp (or roughly twice as much signal as before): 
    
    V(walkman) = (22,000 X I2) + (4700 X I2)    

    now V(amp) equals 4700 X I2.  Since V(walkman) is constant, it's
    easy to see that I2 will be larger, therefore, V(amp) will be greater.
1220.11I get it!DNEAST::GREVE_STEVEIf all else fails, take a nap...Tue Mar 28 1989 15:238
    
    
    	EXCELLENT EXPLANATION!!!  Thanks, soooo.. if I were to replace
    the two 47k with, ohhhhh, say a 100k ohm pot (although I don't know
    if such a thing exists) then I could vary the output with the pot,
    right??
    
    Steve
1220.12AQUA::ROSTDWI,favorite pastime of the average guyTue Mar 28 1989 17:005
    
    Re: .11
    
    Yes, but of course you either need *two* pots, or else a stereo
    pot (two pots on a common shaft).